LoversRaperS - Dukky Edition

NaamForst · December 14, 2021

Not sure why, but the after-sex text for blowjobs is reversed for me.

When my male character has sex with a female character, the after-sex text states that my character apparently sucked the female characters cock, when in actuality the female character was sucking my male characters cock.

is there a fix for this?

*LongDukDong* · December 15, 2021

Still planning some work.

*LongDukDong* · December 15, 2021

For those curious about the LoversRaperS_Motion.Ini file... yes, it is a bit of a mess. It has instructions, but not as clearly written as it could have been. So, I spent time... re-examined the nature of the script that sets the animation positions, and reworked the comments and instructions within the .ini file itself. Whereby the original .ini file suggested a string for Male on Female rape animations, those same rape animations are actually valid if the rapist was an aggressive female. And according to the .ini file, there are built-in animations if the .ini files are not in use.

Ergo... here's how the .ini file will look next:

Revised:

Spoiler

;---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
;--------------------------------------------Animation Settings-------------------------------------
;---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

; Within your Oblivion\Data\Ini folder,  you have a vast number of 'motion'.Ini files, each of these
; representing its own sex animation. If you open any one of them, you will see an entry referred as
; the xLoversPkrQuest.sposgroup value. This value represents its own animation category:
;
;      0  = Cowgirl, or women led animations
;      1  = From behind, or doggy style
;      2  = Misisonary, or facing each other while lying down
;      3  = Standing while facing each other
;      4  = Oral sex, or anything else that don't fall under categories 0 to 3
;      5  = Foreplay positions for 'Lovers with PK Extender'
; or 100+ = Creature animations
;
;
; The names for each .ini file begins with a number. This number is the ID of the sex animation, and
; is the value you use  within the list  of possible animations for each 'rape animation set' below.
; Positive numbers indicates the raper is the aggressive while a negative number switches positions.
; So an entry of 165 would have the male (victim receiving) standing with the female (rapist) on her
; knees giving a blowjob, but an entry of -165 would reverse their positions  and have the rapist be
; on the receiving end.
;
;
; There are ten different rape animation sets in use,  whether it be male-to-male, female-to-female,
; or the like. The animation used when rape begins will be randomly selected from its specified set.
;
;
; Originally, the system was designed with a fixed set of animations, these are noted below:
;      1       = Female rapist attacks from front/victim aware
;      7       = Female rapist attacks from behind/victim surprised
;      2 & 8   = Rapist attacks from behind/victim surprised
;      3,4,5&9 = Rapist attacks from front/victim aware


;---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


; MASTER FLAG:
; ============
; LoversRaperS allows one to use the original/default system that has fixed animations (as described
; above) or use the more flexible system where you may alter/adjust the 'Rape Animation Sets' below.
; Clearly, the choice is yours:
;      0 = Use default animations
;      1 = Use the 'Rape Animation Sets' below
;      DEFAULT: 1 (Use the Rape Animation Sets)
;
  set xLoversRaperSQuest.usePosArray to 1


;---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


; RAPE ANIMATION SETS:
; ====================
; Below, there are three distinct groups of rape animation sets, each one for a different collection
; of sex animatics.   The top/primary set  is the set used by the current version of Lovers with PK,
; the second  if using v3 of the Revised BBB Lovers Resource pack,  and the third if using version 2
; of the Lovers Resource pack.  

; Each group suggests that you 'uncomment' the lines of a group  for it to be used.  By default, the
; LAPF group is already uncommented (no ; at the start of any line).

; Each group contains the following (In Order):
;      1 ) - (mfn) Male/Aggressive-Female  rapes  Female  (From Front)
;      2 ) - (mfb) Male/Aggressive-Female  rapes  Female  (From behind)
;      3 ) - (fmn) Submissive-Female       rapes  Male    (From Front)
;      4 ) - (fmb) Submissive-Female       rapes  Male    (From Behind)
;      5 ) - (mmn) Male/Aggressive-Female  rapes  Male    (From Front)
;      6 ) - (mmb) Male/Aggressive-Female  rapes  Male    (From Behind)
;      7 ) - (ffn) Submissive-Female       rapes  Female  (From Front)
;      8 ) - (ffb) Submissive-Female       rapes  Female  (From Behind)
;      9 ) - (mc)  Male rapes corpse
;     10 ) - (fc)  Female rapes corpse
;
; -optionally (requiring uncommenting)-
;
;     11 ) - (ffn) Submissive-Female rapes  Female (non-futa) (From Front)
;     12 ) - (ffb) Submissive-Female rapes  Female (non-futa) (From Behind)
;
; Due to the lack of non-futa / femalexfemale animations, the initial design assumed that any female
; rape is futa or masculine in nature. Aggressive females use the mfn/mfb rape sets which applies an
; animation where female rapist is acting quite male,  and submissive female rapists usually take on
; a typical cowgirl pose. If non-futa poses are to be used, uncomment the non-futa sets, and set the
; Rape Gender System's 'Female Reverse' setting to 'Always'.
;
;
; Rape victims that are asleep or did not detect the rapist will have a 50/50 chance of using either
; a 'From Behind' or 'From Front' animation set. This, of course, has nothing to do with corpses.


;  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
; < LAPF DEFAULT GROUP >


; * * * * * * * * * Uncomment these lines if you are using the default LAPF Pack * * * * * * * * * *

; Male/Agressive Female - On Female (From Front)
  set xLoversRaperSQuest.mfn to sv_construct "3,4,5,9,109,110,111,112,113,114,115,117,119,120,121,122,123,124,126,127,128,130,143,144,145,146,165,169,174,176"
; Male/Agressive Female - On Female (From Behind)
  set xLoversRaperSQuest.mfb to sv_construct "2,8,10,50,51,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,65,66,67,69,70,71,72,76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,88,89,92,94,95,97,98,99,100,101,102,103,106,107,125,129,191"

; Submissive Female rapes Male (From Front)
  set xLoversRaperSQuest.fmn to sv_construct "1,7,26,31,32,33,34,37,38,159"
; Submissive Female rapes Male (From Behind)
  set xLoversRaperSQuest.fmb to sv_construct "27,29,30,35,36,39,40"

; Male/Agressive Female - On Male (From Front)
  set xLoversRaperSQuest.mmn to sv_construct "3,4,5,109,115,117,119,121,122,124,126,127,128,130,145,146,174"
; Male/Agressive Female - On Male (From Behind)
  set xLoversRaperSQuest.mmb to sv_construct "2,8,10,50,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,65,66,69,70,71,72,76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,88,89,95,100,101,106,125,129,191"

; Submissive Female rapes Female (From Front)
  set xLoversRaperSQuest.ffn to sv_construct "1,7,26,31,32,33,34,38,159,-165"
; Submissive Female rapes Female (From Behind)
  set xLoversRaperSQuest.ffb to sv_construct "27,29,30,35,36,159,-165"

; Male rapes Corpse
  set xLoversRaperSQuest.mc to sv_construct "57,60,65,67,81,127,145,161"
; Female rapes Corpse
  set xLoversRaperSQuest.fc to sv_construct "1,7,28,34,37,38"


; For non-futa females, uncomment the following two lines, and set "Female Reverse" to Always.
; set xLoversRaperSQuest.ffn to sv_construct "159,-165"
; set xLoversRaperSQuest.ffb to sv_construct "159,-165"

; * * * * * * * * Uncomment the above lines if you are using the default LAPF Pack * * * * * * * * *




;  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
; < V3 / REVISED BBB LOVERS RESOURCE PACK GROUP >


; * * * * * * * Uncomment these lines if using v3 / Revised BBB Lovers Resource pack * * * * * * * *

;; Male/Agressive Female - On Female (From Front)
;  set xLoversRaperSQuest.mfn to sv_construct "3,4,5,9,109,110,111,112,113,114,115,117,119,120,121,122,123,124,126,127,128,143,144,145,146,165,169,174,176"
;; Male/Agressive Female - On Female (From Behind)
;  set xLoversRaperSQuest.mfb to sv_construct "2,8,10,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,65,66,69,70,71,72,76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,88,89,92,94,95,97,98,125,191"
;
;; Submissive Female rapes Male (From Front)
;  set xLoversRaperSQuest.fmn to sv_construct "1,7,26,31,32,33,34,37,38,159"
;; Submissive Female rapes Male (From Behind)
;  set xLoversRaperSQuest.fmb to sv_construct "27,29,30,35,36"
;
;; Male/Agressive Female - On Male (From Front)
;  set xLoversRaperSQuest.mmn to sv_construct "3,4,5,109,115,117,119,121,122,124,126,127,128,145,146,174"
;; Male/Agressive Female - On Male (From Behind)
;  set xLoversRaperSQuest.mmb to sv_construct "2,8,10,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,65,66,69,70,71,72,76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,88,89,95,125,191"
;
;; Submissive Female rapes Female (From Front)
;  set xLoversRaperSQuest.ffn to sv_construct "1,7,26,31,32,33,34,38,159,-165"
;; Submissive Female rapes Female (From Behind)
;  set xLoversRaperSQuest.ffb to sv_construct "27,29,30,35,36,159,-165"
;
;; Male rapes Corpse
;  set xLoversRaperSQuest.mc to sv_construct "57,60,65,81,127,145,161"
;; Female rapes Corpse
;  set xLoversRaperSQuest.fc to sv_construct "1,7,28,34,37,38"
;
;
;; For non-futa females, uncomment the following two lines, and set "Female Reverse" to Always.
;;  set xLoversRaperSQuest.ffn to sv_construct "159,-165"
;;  set xLoversRaperSQuest.ffb to sv_construct "159,-165"

; * * * * * * Uncomment the above lines if using v3 / Revised BBB Lovers Resource pack * * * * * * *




;  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
; < V2 / LOVERS RESOURCE PACK GROUP >


;  * * * * * * * * Uncomment these lines if using v2 of the Lovers Resource pack * * * * * * * * * *

;; Male/Agressive Female - On Female (From Front)
;set xLoversRaperSQuest.mfn to sv_construct "3,4,5,6,15,16,17,18,26,32,34,35,39,44,53,55,63,68,71,111,115,116,122,131,139,145,164,170"
;; Male/Agressive Female - On Female (From Behind)
;set xLoversRaperSQuest.mfb to sv_construct "2,8,11,14,23,25,28,40,62,65,70,92,109,117,119,120,124,130"
;
;; Submissive Female rapes Male (From Front)
;set xLoversRaperSQuest.fmn to sv_construct "1,7,12,24,51,67,114,121,136,198,199"
;; Submissive Female rapes Male (From Behind)
;set xLoversRaperSQuest.fmb to sv_construct "1,7,12,24,51,67,114,121,136,198,199"
;
;; Male/Agressive Female - On Male (From Front)
;set xLoversRaperSQuest.mmn to sv_construct "3,5,15,17,18,34,44,53,63,68,71,112,115,122,145"
;; Male/Agressive Female - On Male (From Behind)
;set xLoversRaperSQuest.mmb to sv_construct "2,11,37,38,40,65,70,109,110,117,118,120,124"
;
;; Submissive Female rapes Female (From Front)
;set xLoversRaperSQuest.ffn to sv_construct "1,7,12,24,51,64,67,114,121,136,198,199"
;; Submissive Female rapes Female (From Behind)
;set xLoversRaperSQuest.ffb to sv_construct "1,7,12,24,51,64,67,114,121,136,198,199"
;
;; Male rapes Corpse
;set xLoversRaperSQuest.mc to sv_construct "28,40,41,110,118,133,153,170"
;; Female rapes Corpse
;set xLoversRaperSQuest.fc to sv_construct "1,19,33,43,51,60,114,136,141,161,199"
;
;
;; For non-futa females, uncomment the following two lines, and set "Female Reverse" to Always.
;;set xLoversRaperSQuest.ffn to sv_construct "29,64,-68"
;;set xLoversRaperSQuest.ffb to sv_construct "29,64,-68"

;  * * * * * * * Uncomment the above lines if using v2 of the Lovers Resource pack * * * * * * * * *

Technically, these are the same values... so you COULD copy/paste this version if you want something more legible and with more information than previously held.

The old one predated LoversPK Extender.

Edited December 15, 2021 by LongDukDong

*fejeena* · December 16, 2021

On 12/15/2021 at 12:08 AM, NaamForst said:

Not sure why, but the after-sex text for blowjobs is reversed for me.

When my male character has sex with a female character, the after-sex text states that my character apparently sucked the female characters cock, when in actuality the female character was sucking my male characters cock.

is there a fix for this?

I put dukky's version in my game folder and checked it.

You are not talking about the after Sex dialogs, right ?

There is no after sex dialog when it was rape. Only after consensual sex the NPC talks with the player. (and such dialogs are in LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP. In the rapers esp are no dialogs )

I see Dukkys version display messages after rape (There are some scripts that looks like messages after sex. and a ini setting)

Then a wrong message text in the script or wrong condition (male/female check)

You can disable the after rape messages (if the wrong text annoys you very much.)

set xLoversRaperSQuest.iPlayerMsg to 0

In the LoversRaperS_Default.ini near the end

or you wait for the fixed version

NaamForst · December 17, 2021

On 12/15/2021 at 9:30 PM, fejeena said:

I put dukky's version in my game folder and checked it.

You are not talking about the after Sex dialogs, right ?

There is no after sex dialog when it was rape. Only after consensual sex the NPC talks with the player. (and such dialogs are in LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP. In the rapers esp are no dialogs )

I see Dukkys version display messages after rape (There are some scripts that looks like messages after sex. and a ini setting)

Then a wrong message text in the script or wrong condition (male/female check)

You can disable the after rape messages (if the wrong text annoys you very much.)

set xLoversRaperSQuest.iPlayerMsg to 0

In the LoversRaperS_Default.ini near the end

or you wait for the fixed version

I'm not talking about the after sex dialogs, I'm talking about the messages in the upper left corner of the screen.

I also noticed that when a female character forces my male character to give fellatio, the text says that the female character was giving fellatio to my male character.

I'm fairly certain that the male and female tags must be swapped in some script. I'm just not sure which script has the error.

*LongDukDong* · December 18, 2021

On 12/15/2021 at 10:30 PM, fejeena said:

I see Dukkys version display messages after rape (There are some scripts that looks like messages after sex. and a ini setting)

Then a wrong message text in the script or wrong condition (male/female check)

You can disable the after rape messages (if the wrong text annoys you very much.)

set xLoversRaperSQuest.iPlayerMsg to 0

In the LoversRaperS_Default.ini near the end

23 hours ago, NaamForst said:

I'm not talking about the after sex dialogs, I'm talking about the messages in the upper left corner of the screen.

One and the same. After sex, there is an option to display some 'after sex' reactionary text that appears in the upper left window like "You just pounded into **** and filled her ****." or the like. Those appear in the upper left corner of the screen.

And yes, they can be disabled as @fejeena stated. I haven't had time to track the oral sex issue down due to a suddenly active 'RL' work schedule. I will look into it soon.

'Tis an issue requiring study and diagnosis. My first job was to identify subtle issues with the INI files. Something of note is that oral sex values (like 165) need be set 'negative (-165) to reverse giver/receiver positions, Perhaps this be where the issue lay. NOT that you change the negative values in the INI file... that would clearly alter the actual sex animatics in reverse. But to see about reversing the after-event 'text' afterwards. Again, limited time... so hopefully soon.

Edited December 18, 2021 by LongDukDong

*LongDukDong* · December 19, 2021

23 hours ago, LongDukDong said:

Something of note is that oral sex values (like 165) need be set 'negative (-165) to reverse giver/receiver positions, Perhaps this be where the issue lay.

*sigh* It is looking MORE likely that it is this.

You can set a player to record a valid SPos value to an actor using an SPosM item built into LAPF, but a negative value... not so much. With that, you get an sPos recorded of 0... not much there and cannot detect if a pose was reversed or not. However, I 'could' include a 'is_reversed' flag into the raper/raped targets which could be used in the dialog options... obviously erased after sex has finished.

This is an examination theory.

*LongDukDong* · December 19, 2021

UPDATE

to version 2.3d

The need for a secondary test whether an animation sPos value was negative or not was NOT needed. Whew. It turns out that one of the defined lines for Oral sex had the aggressor's and submissive's lines reversed. Merely THAT! It has now been repaired with the newest version.

On top of that, the 'LoversRaperS_Motion.ini' has too been updated. The same positions that has existed since the Wappy version, it now includes more instructions and information for users if they wish to change positions to suit their tastes, and formatted in a manner to hopefully make such editing and examination easier.

*LongDukDong* · January 16, 2022

UPDATE

to version 2.3e

An error message sometimes appeared, depending upon what mods you had or had not loaded.

The After-Action system attempts to perform callbacks for various mods that LoversRaperS supports. Unfortunately, it at times attempts to perform callbacks when the mod is not loaded. That generated 'Script 00000000' error messages. While it did not harm the system, it did generate error messages that may have worried the player/user of this mod.

Be assured, this annoyance has now been dealt with.

Someone92 · January 31, 2022

On 4/29/2021 at 4:56 PM, LongDukDong said:

Explanation: At the end of rape, RaperS brings up messages like "He pulled out of me and orgasmed". I spent some time and expanded that greatly. Woohoo. However, these messages would not appear with the original RaperS system if raped by other means.

When exactly do those images appear? At the end of each scene, or at the end of a gang rape?

Also, have female NPC / male PC message been expanded? I see not difference to WappyOne's version.

What I would like to see is the health damage logic being changed to:

Calculate health damage -> Inflict attribute damage (particularly Endurance) -> Inflict health damage

This would make it more consistent if you use a mod that dynamically changes your health based on your endurance.

*LongDukDong* · February 1, 2022

3 hours ago, Someone92 said:

When exactly do those images appear? At the end of each scene, or at the end of a gang rape?

Also, have female NPC / male PC message been expanded? I see not difference to WappyOne's version.

Yes, the end-of-rape messages have been expanded. And in fact, they are dynamic in design. By that, it has a list of names for ... 'dick', 'pussy', 'cum', and so on. These object names are randomized when the end-of-rape message is generated. And moreso, there is a collection of sentence structures, so even the syntax may change each time. Oh, and there's beast-rape end messages too.

Insofar as their appearing in gangrape.... just the same as before.

Now, as to the health damage logic, there are some mods out there which do utilize LoversRaperS, one being LoversRapeSlave. With it, the actual damage system does affect whether a rape forces a victim into slavery. Since RaperS has been around so long and other mods such as this recognize RaperS's damage system, I feel it would be system-breaking for the other mods.

Someone92 · February 5, 2022

I only ever get the old "NPC pullled away and orgasmed" message.

Can it be you need to start a new game to see the new messages?

Edit:

One feature I would like to see added is rape chance depending on Magicka in addition to Health and Stamina, representing the mental fortitude to resist a rape.

Edited February 6, 2022 by Someone92

*LongDukDong* · February 6, 2022

2 hours ago, Someone92 said:

I only ever get the old "NPC pullled away and orgasmed" message.

Can it be you need to start a new game to see the new messages?

Realization. There are four conditions that are in play before generating the 'after-sex' text. They are either:

0 = Default (no Tamago)

1 = Oral sex only (including creature)

2 = Non-Futa Femdom messages (including creature)

3 = Creampie (Requires Tamago, and anal or vaginal)

So likely, you have no TamagoClub. I should eventually return to add additional there and rework the phrasing/tense system.

Magicka may be increased by one's intelligence or wisdom scores, but may also be increased by other means. However, I do not see Magicka as a measurement of one's mental strength. A subject who had suffered a magicka drain effect may be just as sharp and quick witted as one who has not. It really is just a measurement of their spell-casting and arcana potential. As such, I do not see it as a gauge to use in any RaperS conditions, and I loathe to change any of the required conditions as other mods may be reliant on them.

Someone92 · February 6, 2022

5 hours ago, LongDukDong said:

2 = Non-Futa Femdom messages (including creature)

This condition should apply to my situation as the aggressor are female NPCs and the victim the male PC.

Might have to try it again with a clean save.

5 hours ago, LongDukDong said:

TamagoClub

The search engine says there is no "TamagoClub" or "Tamago Club" on this website.

Do you mean TAMAGO / HIYOKO MASTER SET?

*fejeena* · February 6, 2022

how do you search?

Tamago: the old version https://www.loverslab.com/topic/13377-tamagoclub-115c-hiyokoclub110a-stuff-eng/

If you use this "search engine" https://www.loverslab.com/topic/6799-lovers-plugin-index-with-direct-links/ you get to the old Tamgo version with a Link to the new Tamago version. Yes the new version is TAMAGO / HIYOKO MASTER SET

*LongDukDong* · February 6, 2022

7 hours ago, Someone92 said:

This condition should apply to my situation as the aggressor are female NPCs and the victim the male PC.

7 hours ago, Someone92 said:

2 = Non-Futa Femdom messages (including creature)

Double-whammy.... Are they growing 'dicks'? If so, then your dominant ladies acting 'futa' and thus exempt from this classification. Rather than getting penile gratification, the femmes are creaming against the submissives. By default, the LAPF system has women growing a penis when aggressive, and would need to be turned off in the Lovers Settings.

The 'Test' to determine the four conditions initially assumes that it uses the default-styled end-of-sex message. Condition 0.

If it detects sex is Oral (certain LoversCreatures positions or a GroupM setting), it changes it to Condition 1 and exits.

If it detects that the aggressor is Female and has no penis (even handling creatures), it changes it to Condition 2 and exits.

Then, if it discovers that TamagoClub is not loaded, it flatly exits with Condition 0 still in play.

After that, it MUST be Tamago-based penis-using, non-oral sex where a creampie (anal or vaginal) exists and sets it to Condition 3 and exits.

Using that set of conditions, it branches to other sections which contain various end-of-sex responses. Still, these are merely flavor-text enhancements and do not affect gameplay outcome.

♦ ♦ ♦

OFF-TOPIC: Thinking of uploading the OLD Tamago collective into my Tamago/Hiyoko thread after translation of the old comments (merely translating)... posterity sake and nothing more.

Edited February 6, 2022 by LongDukDong
LAPF settings addition to explanation

Someone92 · February 7, 2022

On 2/6/2022 at 9:56 AM, fejeena said:

how do you search?

Seems the search engine is broken at the moment; if you search for Titles Only the result is always nothing.

And the Search Title and Post option gives so so many irrelevant results. Hope the next time Ashal updates the forum software he uses one with an at least decent search function.

23 hours ago, LongDukDong said:

Double-whammy.... Are they growing 'dicks'?

No.

Tried to clean save, and RaperS used a cunnilingus. This time I had a different description, but it said the female NPC drunk my PC's cum.

It seems Condition 1 Oral does not account for who gives oral.

Female-Male rape seems to only have one description, though, or I was just unlucky and always got the old one.

*LongDukDong* · February 8, 2022

Well, I have done some investigating

Here, I was using TamagoClub (evident by the Tamago Hud in the top left). But going non-futa, my female Tabaxi raped Valen and creamed over his ass. Maybe it's a good thing; she was menstruating and had cramps.

Here, I am not using Tamago, the hud now gone. I had to tinker a little bit with my loaded motions to include oral sex, otherwise she still creamed over his ass. . Yes, I apparently need work as my Tabaxi dined on Dunmer cum, but it stated that she creamed over his face instead.

But here, my non-futa Tabaxi forced Valen into giving up his dick as she wanted a drink. THIS one worked.

So the oral messaging system does need a bit more work.

kukenmellantuttarna · April 7, 2022

On 5/1/2021 at 2:52 AM, LongDukDong said:

It lets you set the pose for the next 'immediate' rape.

Does it mean that if my female character is put in the stocks as sex position, I can call that function to make all the other gang rapists also use the stocks position?

I have an issue, when perpeturape begins I only get a messagebox saying $str1

And a last question, how do I put a character into the gangbang loop if loversrapers isn't used to unitiate sex? I tried adding the victim to arGangBangVictims but that didn't turn it into a gangbang.( I have only tried it using Wappy's version but I assume that array isn't being treated differently.) For instance, loversbed initiates sex, and I want to make a chance for npcs who are close by to join, but then as a gang rape because they are not the lover or the sex reciever have low disposition to them

*LongDukDong* · April 7, 2022

1 hour ago, kukenmellantuttarna said:

Does it mean that if my female character is put in the stocks as sex position, I can call that function to make all the other gang rapists also use the stocks position?

The whole text was

On 4/30/2021 at 8:52 PM, LongDukDong said:

What you may like is the xLoversRaperSCmdsPosOverride command (form ID xx06AB2F. It lets you set the pose for the next 'immediate' rape.

It involved setting an overriding sPos value for a single 'immediate' rape, not a continuous set of rapes. Once it executes, it is lost and the system reverts to randomness.

1 hour ago, kukenmellantuttarna said:

I have an issue, when perpeturape begins I only get a messagebox saying $str1

Really? I'll look into that when I can. :confounded:

1 hour ago, kukenmellantuttarna said:

And a last question, how do I put a character into the gangbang loop if loversrapers isn't used to unitiate sex?

That would not be possible. The gangbang loop must be initiated/created by LoversRaperS for the loop to exist. So adding an NPC into the loop without it being started is not possible. And as to the Wappy version, the Dukky Version is an evolution of Wappy's. So yep, the arrays and the entire base rape system is the same, including the array you mentioned.

1 hour ago, kukenmellantuttarna said:

I want to make a chance for npcs who are close by to join, but then as a gang rape because they are not the lover or the sex reciever have low disposition to them

Did you check the GangRape option in the Raper Settings Menu?

It is here where you can set how high a disposition an NPC can have to a target and still rape them. Setting Disposition to 100 and it makes no matter how much they like you... Rape may happen. And ditto for their Reputation. Make it 100 and even the Angels among the NPC may get something stirring in their pants.

kukenmellantuttarna · April 7, 2022

51 minutes ago, LongDukDong said:

It is here where you can set how high a disposition an NPC can have to a target and still rape them. Setting Disposition to 100 and it makes no matter how much they like you.

Yes, but I meant as a reason for loversbed-sex not being consentual sex. It would be interesting if two npcs were lovers and loversbed started sex, then another npc joined but it was now rape because it was not the lover. And that would set of a gangrape. Or it could be from the sell a flower of adultplay. You sell sex then loversrapers jump in (through a mod someone makes to edit loversadultplay) and another npc from the street joins the gangbang that didn't start out as a gangbang.

But it doesn't matter if npcs can't be added into the gangrape loop without loversrapers initiating it.

If there weren't some function that other mods could call to use the gangbang system of rapers

Or maybe is it possible for a mod I make to make array and then add it?

Let my_gb_array := ar_construct array

Let xloversrapersquest.arGangBangVictims := my_gb_array

and then turn on some switch? Is there any switch? Ok, ok2 etc, the code is very complex. Do the arBangBangers (I forgot the name of the array where the gangbangers are stored) need to be filled with npcs first?

Or is it just impossible without calling the 080000 function?

51 minutes ago, LongDukDong said:

setting an overriding sPos value for a single 'immediate' rape

Could it be used in another mod to check when loversrapers is about to pick the next raper in the gangbang and use that next rape for the immediate rape?

It would be interesting to use one of the stocks meshes that some mods have and then use loversrapers on npcs or the player that is set in the stocks for some crime

Edited April 7, 2022 by kukenmellantuttarna

*LongDukDong* · April 7, 2022

9 hours ago, LongDukDong said:

11 hours ago, kukenmellantuttarna said:

I have an issue, when perpeturape begins I only get a messagebox saying $str1

Really? I'll look into that when I can.

I just went through the scripts for LoversRaperS, the latest update of the CSE allowing me to use a 'Find and Replace' tool to check each script (abeit one a t a time). Using it, I checked each script for str1 which would in turn reveal $str1. Of this, only the RaperS Settings Menu scripts and the Main Quest script have any occurrence of str1. And there are no instances of $str1 that I could find.

Spoiler

I was extremely meticulous redesigning the Menus, and have put them to use regularly with no sign of any illegal text. And insofar as the usage of the str1 values within the main quest script...

                    ForEach arItem <- arGBangDone[tmpk]
                        let str1 := arItem["key"]
                        let tmpi := arItem["value"]
                        if eval str0 == str1 && tmpi < 0
                            ; Been there, done that.
                            let GBangValid := 0
                        endif
                        sv_Destruct str1
                    loop

This code does not generate any message, and is one to check to see if an NPC already had its session within the gangbang chain. There is no message generated, and the str1 value is destroyed/erased to prevent memory usage

And this...

; Generate chance texts if Dynamic Mode used
            if dynamicMode
                set tmpj to ( borderHealthRate - tmpj ) * healthdynrate
                set tmpi to tmpi + tmpj
                set str0 to sv_Construct "%.0f" tmpj
                set tmpk to ( victimMaxFatigue - tmpk ) * fatiguedynrate
                set tmpi to tmpi + tmpk
                set str1 to sv_Construct "%.0f" tmpk
            ;
            ; Or generate chance texts if Threshhold Mode used
            else
                if tmpj > borderHealthRate
                    set str0 to sv_Construct "Fail"
                    set tmpi to 0
                else
                    set str0 to sv_Construct "Pass"
                endif
                if tmpk > victimMaxFatigue
                    set str1 to sv_Construct "Fail"
                    set tmpi to 0
                else
                    set str1 to sv_Construct "Pass"
                endif
            endif
            ;
            ; Create Message Text 
            set str2 to sv_Compare " "
            let str2 := "Current raped chance: %.0f%% (Base: %.0f Health:%z "
            let str2 += "Fatigue:%z Armor:%.0f)" 
            ;
            ; Display Message
            MessageEX $str2 tmpi OtherSuccessRate str0 str1 tmpl
            ;
            ; Cleanup: Eliminate string array
            sv_Destruct str0
            sv_Destruct str1
            sv_Destruct str2

... this code is used to generate a message showing the chance of a successful rape attempt upon a target. The primary value is, in fact, str2 which is the main string value while str1 dictates pass or fail remarks.

9 hours ago, kukenmellantuttarna said:

Yes, but I meant as a reason for loversbed-sex not being consentual sex. It would be interesting if two npcs were lovers and loversbed started sex, then another npc joined but it was now rape because it was not the lover.

I think I see what you are attempting, but that's not likely to occur.

RaperS has the ability to perform gangbangs on NPCs, but only if the initial sex act is a rape. Only during an initial rape with RaperS does the gangbang loop get generated. So no consensual sex act or 'any' sex act performed without RaperS will start a RaperS loop.

You may be thinking that consensual sex may trigger such a rape loop because it appears to occur with LoversImmoralGuards. However, LIH has its own mechanics for its own loop, creating it if the player is caught with another. And it is player-specific and only the player is targeted.

Along with that, the two LoversBed NPCs which have AI packages for the same bed would be a 'couple', Unless a prostitute CatHouse quest script is in use ( :wacko: ), most all of these would be married couples. And even with his wife being a shrew, even Mahei would be against Numeen being raped in his own bed.

The mechanic you suggest ... I don't see it possible. And would be a separate topic for discussion. It won't be a part of RaperS.

kukenmellantuttarna · July 10, 2022

Sorry, some real life trouble to get some real life action got in the way. Sometimes I wish real life girls were npcs so you could just add an xLoversInfatuationToken to them

The €str was in the function that checks for rapedamage and if you have enough it starts perpeturape. I fixed it last week and now I'm not at the computer, but I think it said

MessageBox str1

and I changed it to MessageBoxEx str1

and now it works (or maybe I changed it to MessageBox €str1)

Another thing that I tried but that didn't work was making perpetuarape work in npcs. Instead if killing them from snusnu make them get raped over and over until you leave the cell. How do I do that? Or could you add that as an option?

And also, I just looked at the guard knockout mod from strategy master, could you add something like that as an option as well? Instead of rape on hit you can choose rape on the killing hit instead if death, and then you can choose yourself to have very high rape damage like 50% strength damage so you would not keep fighting after getting raped but run home to elf mummy in Weye. Or use the loverspower mod to add some nasty side effects from rape

*LongDukDong* · July 10, 2022

First. The differences between MessageBox and MessageBoxEx.

MessageBox is a vanilla command. And by that, it is part of Oblivion's initial system without the need of OBSE. And while it doesn't have as many features, it is quite stable. MessageBoxEx, on the other hand, is an OBSE function. Its extra features allows for blue-highlighted text in the command console, supplies the formID of a supplied reference, and more. However, there has been a little talk of the command being depreciated. If and when that happens, MessageBoxEx will not be usable for newer OBSE users.

Ergo, your change of MessageBox to MessageBoxEx would not do a thing.

LoversRaperS has used MessageBox for the displayed text, and that had not changed in my version. There should be no issue which would require it to be changed to MessageBoxEx given that the latter merely adds some bells-and-whistles that are not even being supplied within the text.

♦ ♦ ♦

There isn't any perpeturape of NPCs. They may become involved in a gangbang, but not perpeturape which is a setting solely for the player. And sex actions between two NPCs 'always' ends when the player exits a cell. The same conditions of PC gangrape are the same as that of NPC gangrape and are handled the same.... Proximity, disposition, responsibility, and so on. And towards the starting rape, their stats, health, fatigue and protections are taken into account just like the player's stats.

As to an outside script to force gangbang upon a target, not likely. It would sound more like a feature desired for a quest mod like the one Melamkish is making, or has been crafted by Galgat (LoversCrowningIsles) or Ichabod (PlayerSlaveEncounters) that have scenes of sex repeatedly triggered upon individuals. In one 'club' within PlayerSlaveEncounters, a woman is continually mated by the same dog over and over. So if a continuous scene is desired, it can be accomplished without requiring tweaks.

♦ ♦ ♦

As towards the final suggestion, that would likely interfere with other mods that are already in play with LoversRaperS which account for other Rape-based features. One I am aware allow mod's rape system to also subjugate players into slaves. To account for one new feature, this could very well eliminate compatibility with the others. And the values and their calculations will remain the same as they have for all these years. So, ... nope.

Edited July 10, 2022 by LongDukDong

kukenmellantuttarna · July 12, 2022

On 7/10/2022 at 11:44 PM, LongDukDong said:

Ergo, your change of MessageBox to MessageBoxEx would not do a thing.

Yes, my change was to MessageBox $str and not MessageBoxEx, but it would work

Original:

; Set bad end message based on verbosity level
                if xLoversRaperSQuest.iVerbosity >= 2
                    let str0 := "Consciousness fades as your body succumbs to the vicious sexual "
                    let str0 += "assault. You are dimly aware of the continuing abuse and the "
                    let str0 += "approach of more shapes looking to play with their newest toy."
                else
                    let str0 := "Consciousness fades. You are dimly aware of the unending abuse."
                endif
                ;
                ; Display message
                MessageBox str0
                ;
               ; Cleanup: Eliminate the string array
               sv_Destruct str0
                ;

my change:

; Set bad end message based on verbosity level
                if xLoversRaperSQuest.iVerbosity >= 2
                    let str0 := "Consciousness fades as your body succumbs to the vicious sexual "
                    let str0 += "assault. You are dimly aware of the continuing abuse and the "
                    let str0 += "approach of more shapes looking to play with their newest toy."
                else
                    let str0 := "Consciousness fades. You are dimly aware of the unending abuse."
                endif
                ;
                ; Display message
                MessageBox $str0
                ;
               ; Cleanup: Eliminate the string array
               sv_Destruct str0
                ;

Maybe you could change it? So people can see the perpetuarape message.

xLoversRaperSCmdRapeDamage is the script

On 7/10/2022 at 11:44 PM, LongDukDong said:

There isn't any perpeturape of NPCs. [....] And sex actions between two NPCs 'always' ends when the player exits a cell.

Yes I know. That's why I asked if you could add it as an option. If you don't want to add it, could you tell me where I need to make changes to add it? Would it be as simple as making a copy of xLoversRaperSCmdRapeDamage for NPCs and when the function is called for check if the rape victim is the player or an NPC?

(What I meant with "until you leave the cell" was that then you don't need to check up on it to keep it running, it will automatically end when you leave the cell. (or maybe the perpetuarape for player also doesn't need to be checked up on to keep it running, I mean checking for NPCs ready to jump back into the gangrape and so on?))

On 7/10/2022 at 11:44 PM, LongDukDong said:

As to an outside script to force gangbang upon a target

Do you mean the LoversBed thing I was asking about?

On 7/10/2022 at 11:44 PM, LongDukDong said:

To account for one new feature, this could very well eliminate compatibility with the others.

Well now you already have the option of PlayerSlaveEncounter or Perpetuarape if you are raped to death, so it wouldn't eliminate any compatibility if you added a new option.

EDIT: I tried with different options to make it work, but even if you use Rape prevent death it only works once. And Perpetuarape with only one enemy makes him rape you over and over. What I mean is something similar to Rape prevent death, but with only one rape or a gangrape that goes until rapers are not unsatisfied (the options setting), and it keeps you alive after they are done with you.

Edited July 12, 2022 by kukenmellantuttarna

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