devious skyrim Unforgiving Devices

[Quoozey]

Just wanted to say that the feature where traps shoot black goo is cool.

[krzp]

On 6/10/2023 at 3:21 AM, Zaflis said:

If we go there, "transfering" is also wrong ?

 

https://word.tips/spelling/transferring-vs-transfering/ 

What have you done, now I have to go play that notepad+ game instead of Skyrim... Again! ?

[NekuxShiki]

On 5/29/2023 at 10:38 AM, jbezorg said:

Inspired by an extremely difficult armbinder and gag with Frostfall that had the player nearly dying from lack of food and inability to start a fire in Chanterelle.

Bargaining with sentient devices. 

During an escape attempt when the sentient device is taunting the player. An additional key option is available that allows the player to negotiate their freedom. How good or bad the terms are is dependent on their speech and relevant escape skill for the device. 

The device may select one of the above options. Or as an alternative option the player can bargain for protection against other devices. i.e. limit the type/number of devices. If a deal is made then the device becomes extremally powerful.

Or for a gag it could simply provide food when the player is near death.

 

 

Deviously Cursed Chanterelle.esp 5.96 kB · 13 downloads

I am curious, I cannot seem to get this to work at all. If this is installed before cursed loot initializes, it breaks cursed loot. And even when I install it later, and am struggling out of sentient devices, no prompt for an additional key is displayed. I have tried pressing most of the keys during the brief period the sentient dialogue is up, but to no avail.

Is there supposed to be an mcm or something, and the key is not natively assigned by default. Because if so, the mcm menu never shows up. Otherwise, can you inform me what key it is bound to.

 

Edit: Ok, I ran through SSEEdit and found no interaction between the Deviously Cursed Chanterelle esp and UD. Perhaps there are more files needed to allow for the sentient device mechanics. And if the sentient mechanic is supposed to be native to Cursed Loot, then I believe that UD is hijacking it and breaking it.

Edited June 16, 2023 by ShikiXNeku
Further testing lead me to some more definitive conclusions.

[TiredGamer]

On 6/11/2023 at 9:56 PM, Quoozey said:

Just wanted to say that the feature where traps shoot black goo is cool.

Yes, cool, for use the traps. But the goo system is annoying for me.
I play with "Being a Cow", and the hunters always use black goo, so I have zero chance for the fight againts them. One second after the battle start, the PC is defenseless...

[jbezorg]

20 hours ago, ShikiXNeku said:

I am curious, I cannot seem to get this to work at all. If this is installed before cursed loot initializes, it breaks cursed loot. And even when I install it later, and am struggling out of sentient devices, no prompt for an additional key is displayed. I have tried pressing most of the keys during the brief period the sentient dialogue is up, but to no avail.

Is there supposed to be an mcm or something, and the key is not natively assigned by default. Because if so, the mcm menu never shows up. Otherwise, can you inform me what key it is bound to.

 

Edit: Ok, I ran through SSEEdit and found no interaction between the Deviously Cursed Chanterelle esp and UD. Perhaps there are more files needed to allow for the sentient device mechanics. And if the sentient mechanic is supposed to be native to Cursed Loot, then I believe that UD is hijacking it and breaking it.

 

Should of added this. Sorry if it misled you.

"The attached file adds Chanterelle containers to DCL form lists."

[ihatemykite]

On 6/11/2023 at 9:47 AM, kurokurokurokuro said:

Hi, I've been trying to install the mod, but I have a slight issue. It seem that I cannot simply desactivated cursed loot for reasons unknown. é_é

The OTHER issue is in the screenshots. No matter the load order I get this.

It's been scrambling my brain like a chinese puzzle for days now and I require some guidance.

(I've been trying to find about theses patchs... But none of the mods seem to have that. I use Devious Device 5.2 that's coming from the all in one package.

 

I require assistance! ... And sorry if the solution is obvious to you, I'm really not that good with mods, nor with english in some aspect. :s

You have certainly the patches installed wrong. I recommend that you just install LOOT and let the load ordering do for you. Once you install it, you have to run it thru the mod organizer, otherwise it will not work correctly. If you are not sure, you can check this tutorial

 

On 6/11/2023 at 3:39 PM, bhenny said:

Hi, thank You for your fanastic mod

With the new version i have this problem in the menù:
"Unforgiving devices is updating or disabled"?

 

How can i fix it?

 

Thanks in advance

Check the console. Does it say that the mod was installed correctly ? Note that you have to wait for mod to be fully installed first before MCM can be used. Depending on the game version and installed mods, it can take long time. Also, please check the papyrus log if you have it, as it can contains errors. Errors are also printed to console, so you can alternatively only check the console. I will do some quick changes and upload here the edited version which will print more information when this issue happens (but it will not fix it as I still dont know what is happening)

 

EDIT: Try this UnforgivingDevices_PRNB.zip

Edited June 17, 2023 by ihatemykite
Added mod

[ihatemykite]

17 hours ago, TiredGamer said:

Yes, cool, for use the traps. But the goo system is annoying for me.
I play with "Being a Cow", and the hunters always use black goo, so I have zero chance for the fight againts them. One second after the battle start, the PC is defenseless...

It's strange that the black goo is used by hunters. I never tried to fight hunters, so I will have to test it and see if it can't be optimized.

[TiredGamer]

32 minutes ago, ihatemykite said:

It's strange that the black goo is used by hunters. I never tried to fight hunters, so I will have to test it and see if it can't be optimized.

Normal hunters not use black goo, I think, only BAC hunters doing it. (Or maybe NPCs from other mods too.)

[donttouchmethere]

47 minutes ago, ihatemykite said:

black goo

Black goo? It's not the stuff from Prometheus right?

I thought it's from UnforgivingSkyrim.esp

Does that mean hostile NPC can use the goo to attack the player?

That would be awesome ^^

[bhenny]

4 hours ago, ihatemykite said:

Check the console. Does it say that the mod was installed correctly ? Note that you have to wait for mod to be fully installed first before MCM can be used. Depending on the game version and installed mods, it can take long time. Also, please check the papyrus log if you have it, as it can contains errors. Errors are also printed to console, so you can alternatively only check the console. I will do some quick changes and upload here the edited version which will print more information when this issue happens (but it will not fix it as I still dont know what is happening)

 

EDIT: Try this UnforgivingDevices_PRNB.zip

Thank you, do I have to activate the papyrus log?

In the ingame console i have:

Spoiler

 

[ihatemykite]

35 minutes ago, bhenny said:

Thank you, do I have to activate the papyrus log?

In the ingame console i have:

  Hide contents

 

 

 

For some reason the mod is locked in update state. Can you install the resaver and check the save (exist for both LE and SE) ? There will most likely be some while loop blocking the update. That can be seen in active script category after you load the save. Alternatively, you can send me the save and I can take a look at it myself with resaver.

[Phelan42]

On 5/23/2023 at 4:45 AM, Fart N. said:

The Mod Configuration Menu has settings for the horny animation, and struggle and orgasm exhaustions. Not sure about the chance of not playing the orgasm animation, though - I don't think that's a feature yet (could be wrong though).

Sorry for the late response...

Yeah, I know of those of course, but I was more thinking of chances of the devices having locks (I hate how many devices don't have locks and can only be struggled out of), the various difficulties for struggling out (including being impossible - I'm not a fan of being able to struggle out of yokes, they should require keys for hard to reach locks), the 'vibe detail' numbers, ...

[bhenny]

On 6/17/2023 at 3:06 PM, ihatemykite said:

For some reason the mod is locked in update state. Can you install the resaver and check the save (exist for both LE and SE) ? There will most likely be some while loop blocking the update. That can be seen in active script category after you load the save. Alternatively, you can send me the save and I can take a look at it myself with resaver.

Thank you! It sounds like you got it right, terminating all active scripts unlocks the situation, but I'm not sure if it's OK to do it this way. If I terminate only the UD scripts I don't get the result I'm hoping for, so it looks like it's not caused by your plugin but either a conflict or something else.

I'll share the file with you so you can have a look too. In the meantime, I will try various combinations of cleaning up the file. I have noticed that sometimes the clean-up leads to a file with which if you save the game it crashes. Salva 361 - Lara Four Shields Tavern 160.58.16.rar
 

 

Thanks for the support

[ihatemykite]

21 hours ago, bhenny said:

Thank you! It sounds like you got it right, terminating all active scripts unlocks the situation, but I'm not sure if it's OK to do it this way. If I terminate only the UD scripts I don't get the result I'm hoping for, so it looks like it's not caused by your plugin but either a conflict or something else.

I'll share the file with you so you can have a look too. In the meantime, I will try various combinations of cleaning up the file. I have noticed that sometimes the clean-up leads to a file with which if you save the game it crashes. Salva 361 - Lara Four Shields Tavern 160.58.16.rar
 

 

Thanks for the support

Holy shit, this save is absolute beast. Try to do some cleaning with resaver, you have over 2000 unattached instances. That can make saving/loading faster. As this save is so big I have big question. Did you install the UD after you already started the game (aka, you didn't create new game). Also, if you had UD 2.0 on start, did you install 2.1 afterward ? I don't think I will be able to see anything from this save because of how big it is. There are many terminated threads, and quite some active UD scripts. Can you try to create new save and see if you have the same issue ?

[Marauderrr]

Hi IHateMK,

 

I was having a similar issue as bhenny, where the UD MCM was locked in an update state.  I realized I saved the game in the middle

of it updating.

 

I went back to an older save and everything appeared ok but I still have issues.

 

UD updates every time I load a savegame using 2.1b5. Is it supposed to do that? I started an new game when I replaced 2.1 with 2.1b5.

2.1 worked fine. But 2.1b5 doesn't recognize items from DDE. DDX items work fine. All DDs equip as normal, UD just does not recognise/patch items from DDE.

 

I'm getting items from DD equip DCL and Banes version of defeat. The older version of UD worked well with these mods.

 

I was running DD 5.1 but then updated to 5.2 thinking that was the problem, but it did not solve the problem even with a new game.

 

Thanks for your time with UD. I really like the mod.

 

 

[Zaflis]

9 minutes ago, Marauderrr said:

UD updates every time I load a savegame using 2.1b5. Is it supposed to do that? I started an new game when I replaced 2.1 with 2.1b5.

2.1 worked fine. But 2.1b5 doesn't recognize items from DDE. DDX items work fine. All DDs equip as normal, UD just does not recognise/patch items from DDE.

...

Last i checked DDE wasn't properly updated to DD 5.2 on SE side yet, although you didn't say if you use LE or not. UD also does not have a DDE patch.

[Marauderrr]

12 hours ago, Zaflis said:

Last i checked DDE wasn't properly updated to DD 5.2 on SE side yet, although you didn't say if you use LE or not. UD also does not have a DDE patch.

 

I see... thank you for your response. And sorry... I'm running SE on vortex.

Just to clarify, DD Equip seemed to work ok with UD 2.1. and 2.1b5.  Should I stay with DD 5.1 then? OR see about removing DD Expansion? 

Edited June 20, 2023 by Marauderrr

[kurotatsu]

1 hour ago, Marauderrr said:

 

I see... thank you for your response. And sorry... I'm running SE on vortex.

Just to clarify, DD Equip seemed to work ok with UD 2.1. and 2.1b5.  Should I stay with DD 5.1 then? OR see about removing DD Expansion? 

 

1. DD 5.2 much better than 5.1 and there's no real reason to stick with 5.1

2. Please do not confuse DD Equip and DD Expansion, DD Expansion is part of DD framework, DD Equip is separate mod.

[Zaflis]

4 hours ago, Marauderrr said:

I see... thank you for your response. And sorry... I'm running SE on vortex.

Just to clarify, DD Equip seemed to work ok with UD 2.1. and 2.1b5.  Should I stay with DD 5.1 then? OR see about removing DD Expansion? 

DD 5.1 won't help, you would have to go back to DD 4.x. It hasn't been updated for ages even on LE and it still doesn't even link to DD 5.x in the description:

https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/2435-devious-devices-equip/

(No mod supports DD 4 anymore, it's just a thought and no more...)

 

But DD 5.1 is much buggier than 5.2.

 

I don't even understand where you got the idea of removing DD expansion, i never hinted that. DD cannot work without it. DD-Expansion is in short DDX if that was the confusion. DD-Equip = DDE.

Edited June 20, 2023 by Zaflis

[Marauderrr]

10 hours ago, Zaflis said:

DD 5.1 won't help, you would have to go back to DD 4.x. It hasn't been updated for ages even on LE and it still doesn't even link to DD 5.x in the description:

https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/2435-devious-devices-equip/

(No mod supports DD 4 anymore, it's just a thought and no more...)

 

But DD 5.1 is much buggier than 5.2.

 

I don't even understand where you got the idea of removing DD expansion, i never hinted that. DD cannot work without it. DD-Expansion is in short DDX if that was the confusion. DD-Equip = DDE.

 

14 hours ago, kurotatsu said:

 

1. DD 5.2 much better than 5.1 and there's no real reason to stick with 5.1

2. Please do not confuse DD Equip and DD Expansion, DD Expansion is part of DD framework, DD Equip is separate mod.

 

Yes, just my confusion over DDE vs DDe.  So I'll go back to DD 5.2.  Any items from DD Expansion still don't register in UD, if they come from DCL, Defeat, or DD Equip.

 

Thank you both for taking the time to respond.

 

 

[muriyume]

MCM loads about 50% of the time on a new save.

[kurotatsu]

7 hours ago, muriyume said:

MCM loads about 50% of the time on a new save.

 

Can you please try to run nightly build from GitHub to check on it? A lot of fixes were made.

https://github.com/IHateMyKite/UnforgivingDevices/releases/tag/NB

Edited June 26, 2023 by kurotatsu

[ihatemykite]

On 6/26/2023 at 1:26 AM, muriyume said:

MCM loads about 50% of the time on a new save.

Few questions first

1. Do you use LE or SE/AE/VR ?
2. Do you have Devious Cursed Loot installed ?
3. Does the mod install/update normally or does the whole mod hangs on the mcm loading (check console for that)
4. Do you have autoload option enabled (option that will force mod to auto init variables to saved ones on new game)

 

EDIT: Also, what exactly is happening to MCM. Does it show some message, or does it not load at all ?

Edited June 27, 2023 by ihatemykite

[DonQuiWho]

OK, I realise that I am probably being inordinately thick, but having read/searched the mod descriptions and the support thread, I cannot for the life of me work out 'what' happens to apply these items to a player, ie the trigger events - I am assuming that the player's PC is not just finding these things scattered about in different Skyrim locations and containers and saying 'That looks prtetty, wouldn't it be nice to try it on' and then prance around in it for a while

 

In the sort of mods that I use to trigger DD aplication, egs the current versions of  DCL, or Banes Defeat+Andrew LRGs addon etc, the player gets DD5.2 devices added after combat defeat, or they can get applied when triggering a trap in DCL/Deviously Enchanted Chests etc. 

 

I don't see any clear list of 'trigger' mods anywhere here

 

So, what exactly triggers the application of UD items?  Is there a list of mods that will do that, or Is it that this mod is maybe supposed to provide devices that will be used by other 'triggering mods' IN THE PLACE of the current DD 5.2 items?

 

As I said at the outset, I'm not the brightest kid on the block, and a really simple explanation would be very helpful, thanks

 

TIA

 

DQW

 

 

[DayTri]

5 hours ago, DonQuiWho said:

OK, I realise that I am probably being inordinately thick, but having read/searched the mod descriptions and the support thread, I cannot for the life of me work out 'what' happens to apply these items to a player, ie the trigger events - I am assuming that the player's PC is not just finding these things scattered about in different Skyrim locations and containers and saying 'That looks prtetty, wouldn't it be nice to try it on' and then prance around in it for a while

 

In the sort of mods that I use to trigger DD aplication, egs the current versions of  DCL, or Banes Defeat+Andrew LRGs addon etc, the player gets DD5.2 devices added after combat defeat, or they can get applied when triggering a trap in DCL/Deviously Enchanted Chests etc. 

 

I don't see any clear list of 'trigger' mods anywhere here

 

So, what exactly triggers the application of UD items?  Is there a list of mods that will do that, or Is it that this mod is maybe supposed to provide devices that will be used by other 'triggering mods' IN THE PLACE of the current DD 5.2 items?

 

As I said at the outset, I'm not the brightest kid on the block, and a really simple explanation would be very helpful, thanks

 

TIA

 

DQW

 

 

 

You have to patch devices from those other mods, so that when they apply the devices to you they are UD items. There are pre-made patches in the downloads section (all default devices for example) and there's a utility to make your own patches.