devious skyrim Unforgiving Devices

[Marauderrr]

8 hours ago, ShimizuModding said:

Im not sure if it just happens to me, I tried 2.1b6 in the new game. It initalizes fine as a start, but after some hours and reloading the game , it just fails to complete update after load and get stuck there. Worse yet , while stuck it is hindering the normal behavior from some other mods, usually mcm not loading like SLS, or mods not being able to register properly for sexlab events

 

It used to work before the widget features updates thing

 

I've noticed that it seems to get stuck updating if you save it during its update procedure. I had to go back to an older save to fix that. Since then I make sure not to save it until it says updating is complete and it has worked so far.

 

It still does not seem to recognise/patch items from DD expansion.  Now this is with a save upgrading from 2.1b5 to 2.1b6. NOT starting a new save with 2.1b6.

 

[kurotatsu]

1 hour ago, Marauderrr said:

It still does not seem to recognise/patch items from DD expansion.  Now this is with a save upgrading from 2.1b5 to 2.1b6. NOT starting a new save with 2.1b6.

 

Please reinstall and make sure you choose proper DD patch, then check it's activated and in proper load position.

[TiredGamer]

I use beta6.

Now, I have a bug(?)
The PC drank a potion: "Potion of Concentrated Device Manifest" (FF00150D in my game).
To create this potion need balck goo, or concentrated balck goo.

After the drinking scene, manifested some devices, and the game crashed.

In the zip file I present my load order, modlist, some screenshot, and some papyrus logs. (0: load screen; 1-2: short game - load, drink, crash;  3: long game - after some game were the drink and crash.)

logs-and-screenshots.zip

Edited July 14, 2023 by TiredGamer
file duplicate

[Riasnatcher]

I'm using beta 4 and I haven't updated at all because it says I'd need a new save if I'm not upgrading from beta 5

Though, I got an issue where in the MCM > Unforgiving Devices, it would read "Unforgiving device is updating or disabled", but every time I load my game there's not "Unforgiving Device is Updating" text showing anywhere without going to MCM.

 

With this issue happening, I have tried loading earlier saves but no early save could work, this is all happening suddenly after I reloaded a save and then I tried unequipping Rope Collar but no prompt menu appearing for struggling, cutting, and whatnot, that's it. But now for some reason nothing works from this mod anymore.

 

Thank you for your help.

 

 

EDIT: Nevermind! apparently I need to load MUCH older save, I think I've had the problem since long but didn't realize

Edited July 15, 2023 by Riasnatcher

[ihatemykite]

On 7/11/2023 at 11:11 PM, umcreiger said:

does this work with the 3ba body? the nipple piercings are off. everything else seems to be fine though

This mod doesn't change/add any of the meshes. If you are having issue with nipple piercing, it most likely mean that you have incorrectly installed DD.

On 7/14/2023 at 6:59 AM, ShimizuModding said:

Im not sure if it just happens to me, I tried 2.1b6 in the new game. It initalizes fine as a start, but after some hours and reloading the game , it just fails to complete update after load and get stuck there. Worse yet , while stuck it is hindering the normal behavior from some other mods, usually mcm not loading like SLS, or mods not being able to register properly for sexlab events

 

It used to work before the widget features updates thing

Do you use iWantWidgets ? Do you use LE or SE ? Can you share the broken save and papyrus log ?

[ihatemykite]

On 7/14/2023 at 3:58 PM, Marauderrr said:

 

I've noticed that it seems to get stuck updating if you save it during its update procedure. I had to go back to an older save to fix that. Since then I make sure not to save it until it says updating is complete and it has worked so far.

 

It still does not seem to recognise/patch items from DD expansion.  Now this is with a save upgrading from 2.1b5 to 2.1b6. NOT starting a new save with 2.1b6.

 

it's possible that I have broken update cycle. I will do some testing.

21 hours ago, TiredGamer said:

I use beta6.

Now, I have a bug(?)
The PC drank a potion: "Potion of Concentrated Device Manifest" (FF00150D in my game).
To create this potion need balck goo, or concentrated balck goo.

After the drinking scene, manifested some devices, and the game crashed.

In the zip file I present my load order, modlist, some screenshot, and some papyrus logs. (0: load screen; 1-2: short game - load, drink, crash;  3: long game - after some game were the drink and crash.)

logs-and-screenshots.zip 8.33 MB · 0 downloads

Thanks for report, will give it a look. I didn't use the potion in some time so its possible that it got broken sometime ago.

[Tsunamilawl]

Does this mod have a mind break mechanic? I often get the message "You are losing your mind" and I'm trying to figure out if it comes from this mod or not.

[kurotatsu]

9 hours ago, Tsunamilawl said:

Does this mod have a mind break mechanic? I often get the message "You are losing your mind" and I'm trying to figure out if it comes from this mod or not.

 

This message is from this mod, it appears when multiple orgasms happened. But at the moment no actual mind break mechanic is implemented.

[bigboing]

@ihatemykite

 

So, In order to get it to work without the latest dev update I have to start the game without Unforgiving devices.esp enabled and then after letting the mods load etc I can then exit the game and enable UD. This seems to be consistent, thus leading me to believe that the checks you've added to check if unforgiving devices can be installed creates a race condition.

[ShimizuModding]

On 7/15/2023 at 11:26 PM, ihatemykite said:

This mod doesn't change/add any of the meshes. If you are having issue with nipple piercing, it most likely mean that you have incorrectly installed DD.

Do you use iWantWidgets ? Do you use LE or SE ? Can you share the broken save and papyrus log ?

 

like someone mentioned, ive started a new game and make sure to standstill and wait for UD to finish updating before doing anything . seems to be working fine so far, probably saving mid update is causing problems.

 

 

anyway on  a separate small issue, any idea why this icon appears at the bottom of the screen on load? if i tick the MCM option show DD icons on/off it goes away so not a big issue
 

[ihatemykite]

On 7/17/2023 at 3:37 PM, bigboing said:

@ihatemykite

 

So, In order to get it to work without the latest dev update I have to start the game without Unforgiving devices.esp enabled and then after letting the mods load etc I can then exit the game and enable UD. This seems to be consistent, thus leading me to believe that the checks you've added to check if unforgiving devices can be installed creates a race condition.

This might create further issues tho, because Unforgiving Devices have to be installed at the same time you install DD. Otherwise some scripts will be not overriden and mod will not work correctly.

19 hours ago, ShimizuModding said:

 

like someone mentioned, ive started a new game and make sure to standstill and wait for UD to finish updating before doing anything . seems to be working fine so far, probably saving mid update is causing problems.

 

 

anyway on  a separate small issue, any idea why this icon appears at the bottom of the screen on load? if i tick the MCM option show DD icons on/off it goes away so not a big issue
 

Will put some message on the main page, so other users will also know this. I never through that there are people who would save game immediately after loading it (before ud updates). Regarding the widget, I have never seen such widget. Nwm, I think I know what it is. This is small icon which should be next to widget. Dunno why it is so big tho. What HUD mod are you using ? Its most likely caused because of incompatibility.

[ShimizuModding]

3 hours ago, ihatemykite said:

This might create further issues tho, because Unforgiving Devices have to be installed at the same time you install DD. Otherwise some scripts will be not overriden and mod will not work correctly.

Will put some message on the main page, so other users will also know this. I never through that there are people who would save game immediately after loading it (before ud updates). Regarding the widget, I have never seen such widget. Nwm, I think I know what it is. This is small icon which should be next to widget. Dunno why it is so big tho. What HUD mod are you using ? Its most likely caused because of incompatibility.

 

im using True Hud . its conflicting with one of the mods Children of Lilith when loading iwant widget. it was also randomly interfering with children of lilith's energy bar or vice versa which both mods that are using iwant widget turns it weird after loading. so i had to disable to iwant widget usage of UD to make things normal

Edited July 19, 2023 by ShimizuModding

[alternateaccounts]

On 7/4/2023 at 3:38 PM, ihatemykite said:

crits are important

I turned on auto crit and it's going much better, I assume I was supposed to use WASD keys to struggle but I never did.

[munangua8]

I got a problem:The Abadon Plug created a device named "red leather blindfold(custom)",it failed to register and made an error.I cant do anything to this device just like it never exists.But my charactor got a blindfold.I tried to use general fix,then an empty name device showed up.Still I cant do anything to it.

[ihatemykite]

6 hours ago, munangua8 said:

I got a problem:The Abadon Plug created a device named "red leather blindfold(custom)",it failed to register and made an error.I cant do anything to this device just like it never exists.But my charactor got a blindfold.I tried to use general fix,then an empty name device showed up.Still I cant do anything to it.

This is issue inherited from DD. Device is broken even there. Might fix it directly in patch, but that would require to edit all patches. For now you can try latest beta version, which should contain some additional debug features, mainly fixed slot unequip fix.

[kurotatsu]

I've added the fix to the DD-ForHim-BRRF patch, but didn't do it in the others, sorry.

Also couple of facemasks were broken in the DD too, which fixes were added to that UD patch.

[daggerbot]

Greeings! I have met some issue when using version later than ver.2.0. Sometimes the mod do not updating itself when i loding a save file, went to mcm UD tab says "UD is updating or been disabled. " I haven't met this issue when i was using UD 2.0 version. This is quite troublesome. Does that mean if this issue occured i have to revert to the last save that UD is updating successfully? Is that someway i can manually update UD? Thank you for your time! After installing UD i find the mod generate a large amount of immersion during my gameplay. I can't live without it. And yes, i'm using the newer one in some new characters. They all met this issue and i haven't find what cause it....

Edited July 20, 2023 by daggerbot

[ihatemykite]

2 hours ago, daggerbot said:

Greeings! I have met some issue when using version later than ver.2.0. Sometimes the mod do not updating itself when i loding a save file, went to mcm UD tab says "UD is updating or been disabled. " I haven't met this issue when i was using UD 2.0 version. This is quite troublesome. Does that mean if this issue occured i have to revert to the last save that UD is updating successfully? Is that someway i can manually update UD? Thank you for your time! After installing UD i find the mod generate a large amount of immersion during my gameplay. I can't live without it. And yes, i'm using the newer one in some new characters. They all met this issue and i haven't find what cause it....

Try the latest indev version from https://github.com/IHateMyKite/UnforgivingDevices/releases/tag/NB, and let me know if it changes anything. I implemented some changes which might hopefully fix the issue

 

 

[daggerbot]

6 hours ago, ihatemykite said:

Try the latest indev version from https://github.com/IHateMyKite/UnforgivingDevices/releases/tag/NB, and let me know if it changes anything. I implemented some changes which might hopefully fix the issue

 

 

Hi again! After using new githubNG version, UD still met the "updating or disabled" scenario. And i trying to save the game after seeing this, the game crashed during saving. Will this crash log help?

crash_2023_07_21_10_37_1.log

[ihatemykite]

9 hours ago, daggerbot said:

Hi again! After using new githubNG version, UD still met the "updating or disabled" scenario. And i trying to save the game after seeing this, the game crashed during saving. Will this crash log help?

crash_2023_07_21_10_37_1.log 29.23 kB · 1 download

I don't think that the crash is related to UD from what I see in crashlog. Seems that crash is related to SkyrimSouls. But I will need more information to know for sure. For now I did small adjustment on dev branch. Try it and let me know if anything changes. It should now show in MCM where exactly it stopped updating. I would be also happy if you would provide one of the broken saves, so I can take a look at it in resaver.

Download: UnforgivingDevices_PRNB.zip

[postal192]

I am on 2.1b6 and I seem to have a big issue with script latency lately. It worked quite fluent for a long time. Then I couldn't free my follower form her predicaments and it occured to me that the mod simply "forgot" Lydia in the NPC chart. She was there all the time and all of a sudden she was gone. UD needs a rather long time to show the "updated" message. Before it was only a couple of seconds. Also, I cannot enter any MCM menu for any mod on the first try and it takes several attempts to do that until I finally can pick a mod and the registers in the MCM. I don't want to talk about changing any values because right now that's literally impossible as switching between the registers normally causes the script to freeze and I have to reenter the menu again.

 

I will try with your nightly, but I don't know if it helps. I also attached my last save.

Save53_997F4780_0_4F72696173_Tamriel_031017_20230720210235_25_1.ess

[daggerbot]

6 hours ago, ihatemykite said:

I don't think that the crash is related to UD from what I see in crashlog. Seems that crash is related to SkyrimSouls. But I will need more information to know for sure. For now I did small adjustment on dev branch. Try it and let me know if anything changes. It should now show in MCM where exactly it stopped updating. I would be also happy if you would provide one of the broken saves, so I can take a look at it in resaver.

Download: UnforgivingDevices_PRNB.zip 10.57 MB · 1 download

Hi, this is current issue i've met using PRNB:  

Save7_80F19596_0_456D6C6965_AbandonedPrison01_000015_20230721193739_1_1.ess Save7_80F19596_0_456D6C6965_AbandonedPrison01_000015_20230721193739_1_1.skse

[ihatemykite]

1 hour ago, daggerbot said:

Hi, this is current issue i've met using PRNB:  

Save7_80F19596_0_456D6C6965_AbandonedPrison01_000015_20230721193739_1_1.ess 9.99 MB · 1 download Save7_80F19596_0_456D6C6965_AbandonedPrison01_000015_20230721193739_1_1.skse 2.42 MB · 0 downloads

So basically, this is caused by iWantWidgets. Dont know why, but for some reason the update is stuck when initiating widget. I had similar issue before, but then I implemented fix which solved it for me, so I though that its case closed. Guess I was wrong. I will try to give it second look. For now I will create a temporary fix for IWW and then contact IWW author to let them know. For now, you can try to disable IWW in MCM. Issue is that you will have to edit the config file for that, as the IWW is by default enabled. If you have exported config, you can edit its value UseIWantWidget to 0. You will also have to set AutoLoad to 1. In case you dont have config, you can try this Config.zip

 

3 hours ago, postal192 said:

I am on 2.1b6 and I seem to have a big issue with script latency lately. It worked quite fluent for a long time. Then I couldn't free my follower form her predicaments and it occured to me that the mod simply "forgot" Lydia in the NPC chart. She was there all the time and all of a sudden she was gone. UD needs a rather long time to show the "updated" message. Before it was only a couple of seconds. Also, I cannot enter any MCM menu for any mod on the first try and it takes several attempts to do that until I finally can pick a mod and the registers in the MCM. I don't want to talk about changing any values because right now that's literally impossible as switching between the registers normally causes the script to freeze and I have to reenter the menu again.

 

I will try with your nightly, but I don't know if it helps. I also attached my last save.

Save53_997F4780_0_4F72696173_Tamriel_031017_20230720210235_25_1.ess 13 MB · 0 downloads

Looks like that it is caused by Roggs gags. Dunno if its because of some incompatibility with UD, but UD is not source of lag. Also, more specificaloy, it looks like that source is Skyrim platform which Rogg gags use. Try to uninstall the mod -> load save -> wait some time so threads can end -> save -> clean it with resave. Also check if you have correct version of Skyrim Platform.

[ihatemykite]

1 hour ago, daggerbot said:

Hi, this is current issue i've met using PRNB:  

Save7_80F19596_0_456D6C6965_AbandonedPrison01_000015_20230721193739_1_1.ess 9.99 MB · 1 download Save7_80F19596_0_456D6C6965_AbandonedPrison01_000015_20230721193739_1_1.skse 2.42 MB · 0 downloads

Hm, looking at it more in depth, there are many script blocked on wait. Do you have constantly menu open ? Try to close all menus and wait some time. Also, I still cant figure out why some users have this issue constantly, and some don't. For now I have written the author of IWW on nexus, so I will see if they will sometime upload updated version which will hopefully no longer cause this issue.

[postal192]

1 hour ago, ihatemykite said:

Looks like that it is caused by Roggs gags. Dunno if its because of some incompatibility with UD, but UD is not source of lag. Also, more specificaloy, it looks like that source is Skyrim platform which Rogg gags use. Try to uninstall the mod -> load save -> wait some time so threads can end -> save -> clean it with resave. Also check if you have correct version of Skyrim Platform.

 

I cannot believe it but you seem to be correct. I removed Roggvirs mod as well as platform and papyrus bridge and suddenly, my script latency jumps from around 400ms to 75ms.

However, this was not always the case. It worked smooth and for a long time until 2 days ago. I know that Platform is an unstable thing and I heard a lot of mixed opinions on it. Updating to 2.71 also didn't help. Roggvir also didn't develop this mod further since its first release, so that's not exactly helping. I really like it though because it makes the whole scenario so much more believable. I will mess around at bit with it, will clean my saves and reinstall, see if that helps. But this tomorrow. Now time for bed. Thank you for your help!