Submissive Lola: The Resubmission LE/SE

[bnub345]

21 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

3-way animations designed for specific genders should be appropriately tagged as MMM, MMF, FMM, MFF, FFM, or FFF.  Otherwise, a female actor might be made to take on a male role with a strap-on.  In many cases that plays out okay, but if there's cock sucking then strap-on gal won't be getting much pleasure.  This mod counts the actor genders and looks for a matching tag.

 

FYI the order of the tag doesn't mean anything to sexlab, as the gender roles are set in the .json file. So MFF is the same as FFM. 

[raksiois]

Hello, I have a weird problem, when I ask mistress "May I be of service, mistress" , and then after "enough , stand up" , nothing happens. There is no force greet, no message "mistress is becon to you". After changing the cell, the mistress forcegreets and gives task, but without changing the cell nothing happens.

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, raksiois said:

I have a weird problem, when I ask mistress "May I be of service, mistress" , and then after "enough , stand up" , nothing happens.

That's an unusual problem.  Possibly another mod has changed the way that greetings work.  All I can suggest is to look through the mods you're using and remove any that affect the functioning of dialog or NPC greetings.

[Antiope_Apollonia]

Just wanted to take a second to shout out a detail I really appreciated when I noticed it:

It's great how the Trophy Slave event has different dialogue to account for whether you were enslaved through SS++ or through SLTR dialogue.  Nice touch.

[PeachButt69]

idk if this is a bug or if I'm just doing something wrong, but lately my owner has been turning me down my offers for sex even though I set his arousal on all my mods to max. He either calls me bothersome or just threatens to gag me if I keep pestering him.

[qalavix]

@HexBolt8 , thanks for the help so far; I do appreciate it!

 

On 7/22/2022 at 9:56 AM, HexBolt8 said:

On 7/22/2022 at 12:24 AM, qalavix said:

I console'd "setpqv etc etc" and it worked.

It would be surprising if it didn't work. 

Earlier, I console'd the command and I saw it disappear from the dialogue menu - literally, it was there and then it wasn't, before I could put the mouse on it.

 

On 7/22/2022 at 9:56 AM, HexBolt8 said:

On 7/22/2022 at 12:24 AM, qalavix said:

coincidence or connection? 

Coincidence.  Your collar got bugged. 

Likely by Lazy Outfits, damnit. (Frustrating as hell, because "I lost my collar" doesn't help, and it's not immediately obvious that it's bugged so I feel unjustly persecuted.)

 

On 7/22/2022 at 9:56 AM, HexBolt8 said:

On 7/22/2022 at 12:24 AM, qalavix said:

I did some prostitution revenue generation which took longer than 6 minutes, and then checked w/Mistress; again not there.

Not surprising.  Offering service is available about every 2 game hours.  With time scale at 5, that's 24 real minutes.

Okay, but...

Tried it after sleeping 24 gamehours, and it still wasn't there.  Console'ing "setpqv etc" worked again; I got a couple of radiants "Run Lola Run" and another; "Mistress..." is there.  Just "Mistress may I serve you" isn't there, and has never shown up unless console'd - and then I have to be quick about selecting it or it goes away again.

 

Now that I have a workaround (console 'setpqv vkjmq MayAskForService_var True'), I could play; but I'd still like this to work 'naturally', and have no idea why this one small yet important piece isn't working in my setup.

[Hex Bolt]

21 minutes ago, PeachButt69 said:

lately my owner has been turning me down my offers for sex even though I set his arousal on all my mods to max.

There's a cooldown for offering sex.  The owner has self-control and doesn't want it all the time.  Also, setting the arousal threshold in the MCM to max works against you, since the owner's arousal must be at least that high to want sex.

[ChibiUser]

Hey there,

 

Enjoying the mod so far, great work!

 

I did encounter a bug, which I thought would be handy to report:

Settings related to the bug:

- Using gold sharing

- I have it set to give the PC at most 33% at lv 100 score)

    > The owner takes 100%

    > "Your share is this * score' is set to 100%

    > "Plus this as extra" is set to -66%

 

If you go into a shop and are a little light on gold (which is likely!) you can request gold from the owner.

That part all works fine, however the 'cleanup' part does not, as the misc objectives remain stuck in the journal.

 

The journal entries in question are:

- You have half a minute to take gold and spend it;

- Any unspend gold has been returned;

- [Optional] If you finish sooner, tell that you are done. (got stuck after the timer ran out and I did not return the gold myself)

 

Expected behaviour:

After the timer runs out or the PC tells the owner they are done, the objectives get cleared from the journal.

 

 

Then, I also had a suggestion, but I feel it might not be feesible, since it would be a lot of work if the mod was made without something like this in mind... but here goes:

Currently it feels like the owner is focussed on training the PC to become a sex slave of some sort, would it be possible to add alternatives?

I was thinking it could be interesting to have a behaviour more focussed on edging/denial instead of sex (maybe tied in with SLSO's 'Can the PC orgasm'), to 'train' the PC to play with themselves and/or others but never make themselves cum, instead keeping themselves high on arousal etc. and adding punishments if they *do* cum.

So, say the current vibration event to make the PC cum as often as possible, could then be, let's see how long you can last and use the 'edging' vibration events instead.

For telling people what a good slave they are, you could have alternate messages: "My Master won't allow me to have orgasms and I haven't had one in { insert days since last }"

A task to wear a chastity belt for n days and after having to ask to remove it, if too early, add days... etc etc.

A task to show off the belt in public, or "flash" it to people (just dialogue: "show belt" look what a good > nickname < I am")

A task to 'play' with themselves for n time (maybe a roll based on sub score how 'good' they are at the denial part?)

 

Another one could be a behaviour that is more focussed on "smaller" tasks (getting drinks, foods, gathering materials, cleaning etc.) and is less focussed on the sexual behaviours.

Maybe it could be a setting to select the desired 'objective': "Sex Slave", "Denial Slave", "House Slave" etc.?

You could then filter the available actions / options based on the objective that was set ?

 

Then, I also have some feedback about the current stuff:

- The 'Forced Orgasms' event only has reluctant responses, it would be fun to add a more "happy" one (eg. "*moans* Thank you Master/Mistress") which adds score.

- The Forced Orgasms vibration events dialogue options do not start with an uppercased character.

- My current owner has been recruited through Simple Slavery++, but he still has the "recruit" dialogue. In my case the follower is Mercurio (the mage in Riften), he still has the  "Consider yourself hired (500gold)" dialogue in there

Edited July 24, 2022 by ChibiUser
Forgot a few things

[paparebbe]

Hey, Hex. Can I suggest you looking at ‘Castration framework’ and maybe adding it’s functionality as an option (to those who use that framework) to Submissive Lola as one of the punishments for male PCs? Maybe a major punishment for ‘Kept forever’ very misbehaving male Lola.
I know it’s a huge request so it’s totally ok if you’ll just tell me to F off, but I thought it’d be worth a try to ask anyways ?

Edited July 24, 2022 by paparebbe

[Hex Bolt]

5 hours ago, ChibiUser said:

the misc objectives remain stuck in the journal.

That should be fixed in the current version, though it won't remove any existing records in the quest log.

 

5 hours ago, ChibiUser said:

Currently it feels like the owner is focussed on training the PC to become a sex slave of some sort, would it be possible to add alternatives?

It really is focused on the sex slave aspect.  There probably is room for some denial (the no-masturbating option accomplishes a little of that), but the difficulty is that blocking sex can interfere with other mods that cause the PC to have sex.  It's also possible that another mod might circumvent a belt by unlocking it whenever the follower wants sex with you, making the owner look indecisive.  It complicates forced prostitution by limiting options.  I made a note to consider a short term event, such as belted with a lot of edging, which might be much less likely to cause problems.

 

6 hours ago, ChibiUser said:

Another one could be a behaviour that is more focussed on "smaller" tasks (getting drinks, foods, gathering materials, cleaning etc.) and is less focussed on the sexual behaviours.

Well, we already have getting a drink, food, and cleaning, as well as proving that you're not lost.  I'm open to more variety, but it has to fit the submissive theme.

 

6 hours ago, ChibiUser said:

The 'Forced Orgasms' event only has reluctant responses, it would be fun to add a more "happy" one (eg. "*moans* Thank you Master/Mistress") which adds score.

This event is untended to make Lola feel helpless.  It's for the owner's pleasure, not Lola's, so the owner takes Lola beyond the point where it's fun for Lola.  Think of it perhaps as a lesson in existing for the owner's entertainment.  There is room for another variation, though, such as a forced enjoyable orgasm -- in public, so people can see what a slut Lola is.

 

6 hours ago, ChibiUser said:

The Forced Orgasms vibration events dialogue options do not start with an uppercased character.

They start with the owner's title.  If you enter a title and make it lower case, then that's your choice, but any sentence that starts with that title will be like that.  If you're using the default title, you might have run afoul of Skyrim's string caching, but I wouldn't think that it would apply for this sort of text substitution.

 

6 hours ago, ChibiUser said:

My current owner has been recruited through Simple Slavery++, but he still has the "recruit" dialogue.

Were you using the current version when you were enslaved?  That should already be fixed.

[Hex Bolt]

5 hours ago, paparebbe said:

Can I suggest you looking at ‘Castration framework’...

One of the mod's principles is that the slave will never be permanently harmed, so that wouldn't fit.  However, the owner does like to keep the slave guessing, so it could be added to those "maybe I should" comments that the owner makes.

[paparebbe]

31 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

One of the mod's principles is that the slave will never be permanently harmed, so that wouldn't fit.  However, the owner does like to keep the slave guessing, so it could be added to those "maybe I should" comments that the owner makes.

That could be a separate mode, optional to use for those who like things to be a bit more spicy ?

[Antiope_Apollonia]

34 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

I made a note to consider a short term event, such as belted with a lot of edging, which might be much less likely to cause problems.

I quite like this idea.  I have mixed feelings about chastity play in SLTR.  In theory, I quite like the idea—I've always found chastity belts to be intriguing—but I share your reservations about the practical issues around implementation.  A more constrained event that trades duration for intensity could be a great solution, though.

 

39 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

I'm open to more variety, but it has to fit the submissive theme.

I still quite like my idea of cuddling "to warm mistress up"—i.e., "foreplay" or "cuddling" tagged SexLab animations—in the evening in the wilderness. 

 

I've also thought about possible massage events.  Home Sweet Home has a mechanic where slaves will offer to massage your shoulders or feet if you're sitting down at the right marker.  I haven't managed to figure out exactly which animations it's using, but I know everything in HSH is either ZAP or vanilla.  For example, the slave will approach and say, "Shall I massage your shoulders, my Thane?" and then play a suitable animation.  If it could be made to work, something like this—in reverse, obviously—would fit really well with SLTR.  The biggest issue I can foresee would be that Mistress would need to be seated when she demands service.

 

47 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

This event is untended to make Lola feel helpless.  It's for the owner's pleasure, not Lola's, so the owner takes Lola beyond the point where it's fun for Lola.  Think of it perhaps as a lesson in existing for the owner's entertainment. 

That dialogue has long really bothered me, too.  I agree Lola doesn't have to be happy/excited about it, but I think a compliant response is really warranted.  Something along the lines of, "I'll try my best to bear it for you, Mistress."

[Hex Bolt]

30 minutes ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

I agree Lola doesn't have to be happy/excited about it, but I think a compliant response is really warranted.  Something along the lines of, "I'll try my best to bear it for you, Mistress."

I will add something like this.  Eager doesn't fit, but compliant does.

 

33 minutes ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

A more constrained event that trades duration for intensity could be a great solution, though.

This might even form the basis for more than one event.  Combining it with ChibiUser's suggestion for a kind of confession, a new event might involve telling one or more people how much you want an orgasm but can't have one while being constantly edged (with the challenge of reaching the NPC while being edged).  Responses could vary from disgusted to intrigued to "That's hot!" and admiration for the owner.  If the owner is pleased, you get a special release (find a nice spot for sex with owner).  Or the owner might decide that you're all primed for prostitution.

 

48 minutes ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

Home Sweet Home has a mechanic where slaves will offer to massage your shoulders or feet if you're sitting down at the right marker.

A massage is a good event, if the animations can be made to work.  It could also be done for the playmate.

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

I know everything in HSH is either ZAP or vanilla.

I downloaded Home Sweet Home (and Paradise Halls Extended, which it requires).  As it turns out, both mods provide some of their own animations.  HSH uses its HSHShoulderRub_Enter animation for the shoulder massage and HSHFootRub_Enter for the foot rub.  It looks like it requires the recipient to be seated, and the script must manually position the massager relative to the chair.  I can see how this would work if the player decides to sit in a "master chair", but SLTR would have to make the owner sit somewhere (or conjure up a chair).  I'll keep it in mind, but it doesn't look very easy.

[blahity]

3 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

I made a note to consider a short term event, such as belted with a lot of edging, which might be much less likely to cause problems.

 

I think that's a great idea! Long term chastity mods can get boring pretty fast for me but keeping it short is a good idea. Maybe your owner wants to make a spectacle of you, locks you in an edging+belt situation and has you gather a crowd to watch Mistress bring you to orgasm, so they can spread the word about how much control your owner has over a whore like you. sort of like gathering a group of bards for the play.

[Hex Bolt]

44 minutes ago, blahity said:

gather a crowd

Gathering a crowd is interesting.  I wouldn't want to overuse it, but it might be used for other things, too.

[Antiope_Apollonia]

3 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

I downloaded Home Sweet Home (and Paradise Halls Extended, which it requires). 

While we're at it, on the subject of my improbable dream of SLTR+PAHE integration, if you wanted to add dialogue conditions to reflect PAHE for Mistress's comments about enslaving bandits and such, you could use the function PAH.GetSlaveCount() >= 1 to check whether the player has any PAHE slaves.  This could be sufficient to make Mistress's dialogue more immersive for those rare butterflies who play both sides of the field (I'm aware of four of us, I think, lol).  

 

3 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

HSH uses its HSHShoulderRub_Enter animation for the shoulder massage and HSHFootRub_Enter for the foot rub.

Oh, huh, so it does.  No idea whether @Musje would be willing to grant permission to use those assets, then.

 

3 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

It looks like it requires the recipient to be seated, and the script must manually position the massager relative to the chair.

You do have to be seated, but probably erroneously, some crafting stations seem to be treated as seats.  I'm not sure what you mean by "manually position" here, but slaves simply walk over into position.  There's a bit of a glitch where, if you get up from the chair during the "enter" stage of their animation, they'll play the "loop" stage without you, but other than that, it works quite smoothly.

 

3 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

I can see how this would work if the player decides to sit in a "master chair", but SLTR would have to make the owner sit somewhere (or conjure up a chair).

For SLTR, the player would need to be standing.  It's Mistress who would need to be seated.  And pretty much any chair should work—not sure why you'd need a "master chair".  I'm not sure what is and isn't possible here, but maybe you could test whether Mistress is in the "sitting" animation?  This kind of thing is so far outside of my skillset, I'm not sure how much I have to contribute, unfortunately.

 

3 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

I'll keep it in mind, but it doesn't look very easy.

Yeah, I imagine it could be tricky to pull off, but it could be cool if a good way to do it can be found.

Edited July 24, 2022 by Antiope_Apollonia

[Hex Bolt]

18 hours ago, qalavix said:

Console'ing "setpqv etc" worked again; I got a couple of radiants "Run Lola Run" and another; "Mistress..." is there.  Just "Mistress may I serve you" isn't there, and has never shown up unless console'd - and then I have to be quick about selecting it or it goes away again.

Here's how the process works.

 

Spoiler

Shortly after becoming a slave, you can offer service.  You'll see the notification that this is available.

 

You have about 3 minutes to do so, before the owner gets bored waiting for you and decides to make you do something.  That interval is governed by the "Owner boredom delay" MCM setting.  Higher values give you more time (and reduce the challenge by letting you drag your feet before doing your job).

 

If you're busy (combat, sex, swimming, etc.), the owner might have to wait a while, but eventually you'll be given a task because you waited too long to offer service.  Roughly 6 minutes later, you'll be able to offer service again.  The process then repeats.

 

During that period where you've missed your chance to offer service and the owner wants to give you something to do but can't (because you're busy), you're not allowed to offer service.  It's too late. 

 

Your console trick doesn't last long because with every mod "hearbeat", it determines that you missed your chance and sets the property to prevent offering service.

 

If you're not being given much to do, and you've haven't suspended the mod and events aren't blocked, the mod probably has concluded that you're busy.  It does this so that you don't get force greeted during combat, sex, or swimming and told to dance or whatever when it's a really bad time.  Most likely, you're just a busy guy.

 

What things cause you to be deemed busy?

Dialog

Not IsLookingControlsEnabled

Not IsMovementControlsEnabled

IsInCombat

IsSneaking

Having sex (SexLab faction)

Swimming

IsWeaponDrawn

Sitting (includes using workbenches)

Werewolf or vampire lord form

IsArrested

IsTrespassing

IsOnMount

IsVibrating (Devious Devices)
Steep slope or different vertical tier (outside and 160 units higher/lower than the owner)
 

When you get un-busy, you'll get a task from the owner, then you'll have a window of opportunity to offer service.  Miss that window, and you'll have to wait to be given another task.

 

Edited July 25, 2022 by HexBolt8

[qalavix]

Thank you; that is helpful.  

 

I have NOT seen that notification (that I can serve M) - I only vaguely remember it from the ended-in-October21 playthrough. (and my memory is s___)

I'd guess that SLTR thinks I'm busy, then?  *puzzled*  Because, looking at the list... well, I'll try it and see.

[blahity]

I had a few ideas that I thought I'd share, but also don't remember if I shared them before.

• A gangbang event, as a sort of alternative to forced prostitution. Mistress thinks its time to breed you or make some gold, but she wants it done quick so gather up 4 guys and let them use you all at once *chop chop*. Maybe a chance to repeat for another scene?
• A scene with a court wizard, Mistress wants to relax and the court wizard promised her a favor/gold to use you. Summoned Dremora or Daedra scene for "research"
• Mistress wants you to get a rep as a loose tavern wench. Ask to sit on someone's lap and hold their drink for them. Bonus for offering to do it naked! This would probably require an animation from immersive lap sitting though.
• A friendly wager, Keep your arousal low for a certain time and win a prize from Mistress, if it gets too high (Mistress can always tell) you have to confess what a uncontrollable horny slut you are without Mistress' guidance to the next 10 people you talk to. A playful sort of fun win-win game. Bonus for telling double the people or offering to confess even after winning (Mistress sees you're willing but a bet is a bet).

[monsta88]

Hello there,

 

I'm trying this mod basically the 1st time. Skyrim SE (not AE)

 

I found an issue, it may be some incompatibility problem.

 

In the Lights out quest, the quest does not register the Blindfold being off. It worked fine until 6PM, but now my character is being punished for "wearing it", while it is off (the blindfold gets removed from her eyes and the lighting changes accordingly).

 

Possible compatibility issues:

- DD 5.2 b6 - i'm using the beta version of DD (SE)

- Unforgiving Devices v2.0b14 - this patches regular DDs, it has a patch for DD 5.2b6

 

Of course these mods might be unrealted, but google couldn't found relevant hits with this problem.

 

Any advice?

 

Peace,

M

[Hex Bolt]

29 minutes ago, monsta88 said:

In the Lights out quest, the quest does not register the Blindfold being off.

The test for wearing a blindfold is pretty simple.  If you're wearing something in the blindfold slot (slot 55), you're deemed to be wearing one.  Are you wearing anything else in that slot now?  Which blindfold were you using?  I wouldn't expect any mod to change the slot convention, so there shouldn't be a conflict.

Edited July 25, 2022 by HexBolt8

[monsta88]

9 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

Are you wearing anything else in that slot now?  Which blindfold were you using?

 

Unfortunately I can't test it now, because of Simple Slavery activated and it completed the Lights out quest.  Also, I need to sleep.

 

It was the White Ebone Blindfold (Unlocked). Before the SS, I tried to equip and unequip a Red leather blindfold (unlocked), but very soon after my character got captured. I will try to do some more testing tomorrow. Thanks for the answer anyway.

[Hex Bolt]

56 minutes ago, blahity said:

Mistress thinks it's time to breed you or make some gold, but she wants it done quick so gather up 4 guys and let them use you all at once *chop chop*.

That's very similar to Radiant Prostitution's Home Delivery job.  I don't think I could improve on that.  I would like to do some sort of "delivery" job, but that would probably be a pony girl job or other non-prostitution event.

 

1 hour ago, blahity said:

Keep your arousal low for a certain time and win a prize from Mistress

How would Lola do that?  Masturbation anytime she feels like it is cheating, and the owner probably would not want Lola having sex with strangers without being ordered to do it (or getting paid for it).  For it to be a contest, Lola must have some ability to influence arousal increase while still doing the various tasks that the owner gives her.