MadSummoner Posted April 20, 2013 Posted April 20, 2013 Kill the master, but the quest is not over. After that it can start again. I tried to restart it, but there is a message waiting at 2:00. Can I do something wrong?
whatto51 Posted April 20, 2013 Posted April 20, 2013 A couple reports: Mistwatch bandits attack PC while enslaved by thugs and thugs stop before reaching new master (this probably already known). I read somewhere in hardore mode guards should help. Not in my case (they did in old versions). People do (one way or another ) guards simply do nothing.
jbezorg Posted April 20, 2013 Author Posted April 20, 2013 Updates 2013.04.15 Final*: 2013042001 Potential followers will now free the player when asked for help rather than enslave them. While "Payback's a Bitch" is running, the player is a member of the Mistwatch Bandit Ally faction ( so they should not be attacked ). Mistwatch (dunMistwatchQST) quest should not start when enslaved and Christer should not approach the player. Mistwatch drawbridge and locked door has been addressed as well. Scripts have been optimized so this will require a full uninstall/reinstall. Wait until you are free of enslavement or finished the spriggan quest to update.
Clangeddon Posted April 20, 2013 Posted April 20, 2013 Hello again! Just for clarification on the uninstall/reinstall (since I believe this was what caused some my my earlier issues...after completely wiping my data folder and trying again, everything is working as intended) - do I use the uninstall option present in the MCM which would result in a clean save, or can I just unload the mod via ModManager, download the new stuff, and reinstall accordingly via ModManager? I only ask because last time I used the uninstall present and ended up making it so I couldn't reenable the mod after updating (and the directions do state that the instructions are for the releases prior to 2012.01.14 and I'd rather not screw it up again :-) Thanks in advance!
termonte Posted April 20, 2013 Posted April 20, 2013 I can confirm that the Mistwatch bandits no longer attack when the PC is enslaved. But the bridge and the door are still issues in that if I don't enter Mistwatch ahead of time and fix them, the same problems occur: the Thug Master doesn't head up the left stairs and instead moves right and stays there, or the Thug Master can't get through the locked door. Also, even if I fix the bridge and door ahead of time, after my PC follows the Thug Master all the way up, I get the "STARTED: PAYBACK'S A BITCH" notification, but my PC still doesn't get sold. (To repeat, the bandits do not attack.)
teetch Posted April 20, 2013 Posted April 20, 2013 I have an odd issue occurring. If I go into the guard quarters near the entrance to Whiterun and steal a few things the thugs appear near the door but don't do anything else. The odd part is this happens when I have SD installed but without using the in-game SD install via MCM. It doesn't matter if it is a character that was just created or if it is a character that I've used SD previously.
Freeweasel Posted April 20, 2013 Posted April 20, 2013 I finally had the thug encounter with 04_15 today (waited for me just in front of my heathfire home) and they really tried to take me to Mistwatch. Sadly there was a new group of bandits in those two towers between Whiterun and Windhelm and the remaining thug never stood a chance (I'm lvl 40). I fled before being caught by the bandits but encountered a female Argonian that whated a price for being freed. Well, the price was being enslaved. I switched to SD 04_20 with a full deinstall and olaying for a few hours before the new version was installed. I had my first experiences. I walked into a Forsworn camp but at first they seem reluctant to accept my surrender and just beat on me for a long time. Finally I reloaded and tried again. Now I saw the message that I tried to surrender I might have missed the first time. As it didn't help again I fled inside. There I attacked the first Forsworn and surrendered successfully. Beside suddenly standing there upright without restraints showing (I could grab arrows but dropped the bow again and again) everything seems okay so far. A great mod and I hope you keep going. I will write here again after the next stage or if strange things happen.
jbezorg Posted April 21, 2013 Author Posted April 21, 2013 Hello again! Just for clarification on the uninstall/reinstall (since I believe this was what caused some my my earlier issues...after completely wiping my data folder and trying again, everything is working as intended) - do I use the uninstall option present in the MCM which would result in a clean save, or can I just unload the mod via ModManager, download the new stuff, and reinstall accordingly via ModManager? I only ask because last time I used the uninstall present and ended up making it so I couldn't reenable the mod after updating (and the directions do state that the instructions are for the releases prior to 2012.01.14 and I'd rather not screw it up again :-) Thanks in advance! 2012.01.14 Release and later: Disabling Sanguine's Debauchery for a specific character. Make sure you are free from you master or complete the spriggan quest ( You may have to cycle through the "BEGIN" option ):Enter MCM Select "Sanguine's Debauchery" Select "Config" in the sub-menu Click "UNINSTALL" Exit all menus ( If you enter MCM again Sanguine's Debauchery will now only show the logo ) Wait 2 game hours to make sure all quests scripts have gone idle. Save. ( repeat step 1 for all the saves you want to clean. ) You won't be able to restart Sanguine's Debauchery for this character unless you preform a full uninstall. 2012.01.14 Release and later: Full Uninstall Follow the instructions for "Disabling Sanguine's Debauchery for a specific character." for all characters that have started SD. Exit the game. Uninstall Sanguine's Debauchery Run GenerateFNISforUsers.exe Start the game and load the save you created in #2 Wait a few hours game time and about a min real time. Save. Either in a new slot or over the save you created in #2 ( repeat steps 7-9 for all saves you want to clean )
jbezorg Posted April 21, 2013 Author Posted April 21, 2013 I have an odd issue occurring. If I go into the guard quarters near the entrance to Whiterun and steal a few things the thugs appear near the door but don't do anything else. Thugs are part of the vanilla game. They do not track the player while in cities and there is a delay to start tracking the player. Though, if you get do trigger dialogue, they will attack then.
jbezorg Posted April 21, 2013 Author Posted April 21, 2013 I finally had the thug encounter with 04_15 today (waited for me just in front of my heathfire home) and they really tried to take me to Mistwatch. Sadly there was a new group of bandits in those two towers between Whiterun and Windhelm and the remaining thug never stood a chance (I'm lvl 40). I fled before being caught by the bandits but encountered a female Argonian that whated a price for being freed. Well, the price was being enslaved. I switched to SD 04_20 with a full deinstall and olaying for a few hours before the new version was installed. I had my first experiences. I walked into a Forsworn camp but at first they seem reluctant to accept my surrender and just beat on me for a long time. Finally I reloaded and tried again. Now I saw the message that I tried to surrender I might have missed the first time. As it didn't help again I fled inside. There I attacked the first Forsworn and surrendered successfully. Beside suddenly standing there upright without restraints showing (I could grab arrows but dropped the bow again and again) everything seems okay so far. A great mod and I hope you keep going. I will write here again after the next stage or if strange things happen. You must have a combat target to surrender. Surrendering to the closet enemy was my first choice ( and makes the most sense ) but you have to scan the entire cell for NPCs and then filter them by distance and faction. Also the player can be standing on the edge of a cell and all enemies could be in the neighboring cell. Then the scan would result in nothing. e.g. using a doorway for cover to attack enemies in the room beyond. Hallway is one cell, the room is another. The transition between cells is not always that obvious though.
jbezorg Posted April 21, 2013 Author Posted April 21, 2013 I can confirm that the Mistwatch bandits no longer attack when the PC is enslaved. But the bridge and the door are still issues in that if I don't enter Mistwatch ahead of time and fix them, the same problems occur: the Thug Master doesn't head up the left stairs and instead moves right and stays there, or the Thug Master can't get through the locked door. Also, even if I fix the bridge and door ahead of time, after my PC follows the Thug Master all the way up, I get the "STARTED: PAYBACK'S A BITCH" notification, but my PC still doesn't get sold. (To repeat, the bandits do not attack.) The master thug should drop the drawbridge by activating the lever when he gets close.
termonte Posted April 21, 2013 Posted April 21, 2013 I can confirm that the Mistwatch bandits no longer attack when the PC is enslaved. But the bridge and the door are still issues in that if I don't enter Mistwatch ahead of time and fix them, the same problems occur: the Thug Master doesn't head up the left stairs and instead moves right and stays there, or the Thug Master can't get through the locked door. Also, even if I fix the bridge and door ahead of time, after my PC follows the Thug Master all the way up, I get the "STARTED: PAYBACK'S A BITCH" notification, but my PC still doesn't get sold. (To repeat, the bandits do not attack.) The master thug should drop the drawbridge by activating the lever when he gets close. When I tested it earlier today, the Master Thug moved right (physically below the drawbridge) instead of left up the stairs. That was what he did before the most recent update, as well, if I did not activate the bridge beforehand.
greee3423 Posted April 21, 2013 Posted April 21, 2013 THID MOD CASE SUPER-HEAVY LAG, AND LEAK MEMEORY, BY UPDATE NEXT TO VERSION AND SRCIPTE REAMIN ON SAVE FILE , DESTROY SKYRIM I TESTED REINSTALL MY WIN7 AND SKYRIM SO FRESH STATUS THIS MOD CASE MY PROBLEM- 4~6 TIME LOADING AFTER SKYRIM ALWAYS HEAVY FREEZING WITH THIS MOD
Alaric_Eisen Posted April 21, 2013 Posted April 21, 2013 Installed all required files even the optional ones, correctly installed them all, FNIS reported no warnings but still whenever I open skyrim I get a CTD. Do I have to install both the Maint an Final files or what. I'm not sure what's going wrong with this.
Badtanker Posted April 21, 2013 Posted April 21, 2013 Installed all required files even the optional ones, correctly installed them all, FNIS reported no warnings but still whenever I open skyrim I get a CTD. Do I have to install both the Maint an Final files or what. I'm not sure what's going wrong with this. check your plugins. just uncheck the dlc's you don't have.
deadmetal Posted April 21, 2013 Posted April 21, 2013 If you don't own dawnguard or Sorry, what exactly do you mean by that? If you don't own dawnguard or dragonborn you need to uncheck the .esp patches in the mod list, also if you use Skyre you might need to run WTF and Reproc, other mods may also require similar patches. THID MOD CASE SUPER-HEAVY LAG, AND LEAK MEMEORY, BY UPDATE NEXT TO VERSION AND SRCIPTE REAMIN ON SAVE FILE , DESTROY SKYRIM I TESTED REINSTALL MY WIN7 AND SKYRIM SO FRESH STATUS THIS MOD CASE MY PROBLEM- 4~6 TIME LOADING AFTER SKYRIM ALWAYS HEAVY FREEZING WITH THIS MOD I don't know if its worth replying to this...god knows if you can understand half of what were saying but here it goes: NO USE SAVE WITH MOD ON! USE ONLY NEW GAME! RUN FNIS USER! WHAT MODS YOU USE?
lucen15 Posted April 21, 2013 Posted April 21, 2013 i seem to be having a problem, after i complete the flowering spriggan quest i cannot be enslaved anymore i waited for 8 hours until the spriggan let me go and then i waited 24 hours so that the quest was proplerly completed. is this because of a mod conflict or is there a way to fix this?
Alaric_Eisen Posted April 21, 2013 Posted April 21, 2013 If you don't own dawnguard or Sorry, what exactly do you mean by that? If you don't own dawnguard or dragonborn you need to uncheck the .esp patches in the mod list, also if you use Skyre you might need to run WTF and Reproc, other mods may also require similar patches. THID MOD CASE SUPER-HEAVY LAG, AND LEAK MEMEORY, BY UPDATE NEXT TO VERSION AND SRCIPTE REAMIN ON SAVE FILE , DESTROY SKYRIM I TESTED REINSTALL MY WIN7 AND SKYRIM SO FRESH STATUS THIS MOD CASE MY PROBLEM- 4~6 TIME LOADING AFTER SKYRIM ALWAYS HEAVY FREEZING WITH THIS MOD I don't know if its worth replying to this...god knows if you can understand half of what were saying but here it goes: NO USE SAVE WITH MOD ON! USE ONLY NEW GAME! RUN FNIS USER! WHAT MODS YOU USE? Sorry to sound nobbish but what mod list are these patches on?
whatto51 Posted April 21, 2013 Posted April 21, 2013 Installed all required files even the optional ones, correctly installed them all, FNIS reported no warnings but still whenever I open skyrim I get a CTD. Do I have to install both the Maint an Final files or what. I'm not sure what's going wrong with this. There are 3 patches: dragonborn, dawnguard and frostfall. They are all installed by default. You must uncheck patches of above file you have not (if you don't have frostfall uncheck frostfall patch etc). You find patches with mod manager or under "data files" in the laucher. Anyway remember you MUST start the game with SKSE launcher to have SD work. Another cause of CTD at start could be you have not run FNIS generator for users. Finally you coild have a proble with load order. Hope this can help
teetch Posted April 21, 2013 Posted April 21, 2013 I can confirm that the Mistwatch bandits no longer attack when the PC is enslaved. But the bridge and the door are still issues in that if I don't enter Mistwatch ahead of time and fix them, the same problems occur: the Thug Master doesn't head up the left stairs and instead moves right and stays there, or the Thug Master can't get through the locked door. Also, even if I fix the bridge and door ahead of time, after my PC follows the Thug Master all the way up, I get the "STARTED: PAYBACK'S A BITCH" notification, but my PC still doesn't get sold. (To repeat, the bandits do not attack.) The master thug should drop the drawbridge by activating the lever when he gets close. When I tested it earlier today, the Master Thug moved right (physically below the drawbridge) instead of left up the stairs. That was what he did before the most recent update, as well, if I did not activate the bridge beforehand. I have the same thing happening to me. If I drop the draw bridge the master will go up the ramp, if not they just go to the little notch near the door they want to go in and act confused.
whatto51 Posted April 21, 2013 Posted April 21, 2013 new version need reinstall skyrim? No, you need to uninstall old SD version (follow uninstall procedure in first page) and install new SD version (and required mods).
jbezorg Posted April 21, 2013 Author Posted April 21, 2013 THID MOD CASE SUPER-HEAVY LAG, AND LEAK MEMEORY, BY UPDATE NEXT TO VERSION AND SRCIPTE REAMIN ON SAVE FILE , DESTROY SKYRIM I TESTED REINSTALL MY WIN7 AND SKYRIM SO FRESH STATUS THIS MOD CASE MY PROBLEM- 4~6 TIME LOADING AFTER SKYRIM ALWAYS HEAVY FREEZING WITH THIS MOD Full uninstall as per the directions? As in: Uninstall through MCM Wait 2 game hours. Save Uninstall SD's esp files load game Save
aljustineg Posted April 21, 2013 Posted April 21, 2013 is theres suppose to be a breeding in spriggan quest? or its just [spoiler=Spoiler]your PC will be abuse for hours then you can escape if the flowering spriggan becomes a matron
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