Wartimes - a daughter's tale LE (Alternate start scenario)

[Tedranorzi]

7 minutes ago, Tedranorzi said:

Mod has been working fine so far, but I have a few questions. Let me sum up my progress -

 

• Barmaid Clothes - Check
• Slave Heels - Check
• Mask of Shame - Check
• Collar Leather Bind - Check
• Ebonite Cuffs - Check
• Restrictive Glove - Check
• Slave Ballet Heels - Check
• Naked all time - Check
• BDSM Furniture - Check
• Aldo Aroused - Check (on 29th of Last Seed)

Currently - 20 days spent on quest through Alternate Start (7th of Hearthfire)

 

• Father Arousal - Check [Unlocked all options in relieving tension choice]
• Father Favor - 300+
• Depravity - 102
• Submission - 100

Quests

 

• Hounds - Walk (30G)    /    Bitch (70G but 1 submission and 2 depravity)                                          [Father is still giving this quest]
• Horse - Groom (30G)   /     Lick (70G)    /    Take (70G but 2 depravity)                                               [Father is still giving this quest]
• Gathering - Mead     /     Snack    /    Dance     /     Sex                                                                       [Father is still giving this quest]
• Watch Tower - Cook (30G)     /     Mouth (70G)     /     Take (70G but 2 depravity)                             [Father stopped giving this quest first]
• Jazeem - Care (30G)     /     Mouth (70G)     /      Take (70G but 2 depravity)                                       [Few days later father has stopped giving this quest as well]

 

***Note - I have a bug where the Father accepts any amount of money for mother's care as long as it's over 100G (Example - at the moment he's asking for 500 gold but I can get 1 day for 101 coins saving coins for more days as they keep stacking up)

 

***Note 2 - I have been using the flow chart on the mod's page to get the most out of the mod. I have gone through most of the choices (2000G, brat, SD+, Simple Slavery, Amputated Mother, Uncle, etc ). This playthrough is strictly being a positively reacting slave to father from start to finish without SD+ because of it's different dialogue system. Basically trying to see everything there is to the Wartime mod itself without relying on another slavery mod for being father's slave so would love the answers to adhere to this restriction.

 

 

----> This is where I am, any questions I ask are going to be from this point in the the quest

 

Questions

1. Why has father stopped giving the Guard Tower and Jazeem quests ? (Is he trying to make it harder for me to afford mother's care ?)

2. Why hasn't the quest progressed at all since Aldo Arousal ? (Once again, should I have not been able to afford mother's care at this point ? Is that why I have not made any progress in over a week ?)

3. Father doesn't take off the Mask of Shame. Using the first menu, he replies "How can I help ?" and I get speech points but mask stays locked. Using favors to take off the masks, father replies sure, pc has been good but once again to no luck the mask stays on locked. I get the message, I don't have proper key or that lock is far away from each PC will try again later (and has failed to take it off later for almost 2 weeks now). What should I do ?

 

 

Out of Curiousity -

4. What are the Milk Quota, Cum Slut, Cumtainer options in the MCM and why haven't I've gotten those even though it's enabled ?

5. What is the point of the BDSM furniture that has been placed in the house ?

6. Why is there not a third option in the Hounds quest ? Am I missing something or is it supposed to be like that ?

 

I'd be grateful to anyone who can help me figure out these questions and thanks for the mod it's really good and more in-depth than I initially thought it would be with all it's branching.

 

 

Forgot to add, father doesn't help with taking off any of the BDSM clothing (even if I used favors for it, it still doesn't work but I do lose the amount of favor used though). If I go to Eorlund, he helps get rid of it but then father constantly get's angry at me for not wearing any of the accessories.

[kapibar]

5 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

I bang on about this a lot but people that don't create mods really have no idea just how much time things take.

We know, man. Really. It's obvious it takes a lot of time and effort to do something properly. And I don't suspect anyone will say anything if you decide to go the easy route. Your mod, your decision, we're just some friendly parasites ?.

 

5 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

A) Sometimes they're just suitable. Beating/Whipping debuff for example I think is just fine. (If it wasn't for the wonky bethesda implementation trying to kill you all the time)

By the way - there's this cool mod...
 

Very fine addition if someone is not feeling punished enough by a debuff (I don't ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ) that adds an extra layer of pain when player sees those beatiful stats melting.

Edited October 4, 2022 by kapibar

[Monoman1]

18 hours ago, Tedranorzi said:

• Father Favor - 300+
• Depravity - 102

At first I thought you're not running the tweak because stats are limited to 100. Have been for some time. So 300 favour and 102 depravity should not be possible. Generally suspect something wrong with your install before even getting into bugs. 

18 hours ago, Tedranorzi said:

Why has father stopped giving the Guard Tower and Jazeem quests ? (Is he trying to make it harder for me to afford mother's care ?)

It's random. Just keep asking.

18 hours ago, Tedranorzi said:

Why hasn't the quest progressed at all since Aldo Arousal ? (Once again, should I have not been able to afford mother's care at this point ? Is that why I have not made any progress in over a week ?)

If you mean father has not force greeted in a week then see above. If not then probably you've progressed as far as you can as a submissive slave. 

18 hours ago, Tedranorzi said:

Father doesn't take off the Mask of Shame. Using the first menu, he replies "How can I help ?" and I get speech points but mask stays locked. Using favors to take off the masks, father replies sure, pc has been good but once again to no luck the mask stays on locked. I get the message, I don't have proper key or that lock is far away from each PC will try again later (and has failed to take it off later for almost 2 weeks now). What should I do ?

Some people get this I don't know why. Suspect either incorrect installed DD or some other mod overriding DD script files. Has never not worked for me. 

18 hours ago, Tedranorzi said:

What are the Milk Quota

Requires MME

18 hours ago, Tedranorzi said:

Cum Slut, Cumtainer options in the MCM and why haven't I've gotten those even though it's enabled ?

Requires SLS.

18 hours ago, Tedranorzi said:

What is the point of the BDSM furniture that has been placed in the house ?

Are sometimes used as a punishment. Also PC can voluntarily spend time in them for favour. 

18 hours ago, Tedranorzi said:

Why is there not a third option in the Hounds quest ? Am I missing something or is it supposed to be like that ?

Dunno. Don't bother with those side quests much due to how much gold they pay out and the fact that you're fucking a dog/horse in broad daylight in public without any kind of build up never sat right with me. 

 

[Monoman1]

17 hours ago, kapibar said:

Very fine addition

Been meaning to try it... whenever I actually get to play the game. Sometime circa 2023 maybe ?

18 hours ago, Sulrandir said:

To me, the greatest weaknesses of the "debuff"

Agree 100%

18 hours ago, Sulrandir said:

I thought of this also because the reputation system's already there

While that's true, there's a dilemma. Some of my mods already have a soft dependency with SL Sex Fame. Reputation mod. Ideally reputation type stuff would be handled through it so that everything is centralized. But:

1. I don't think SLSF has a 'villain' or 'scum' type fame that WT kind of needs to fit the PCs 'sin'. 

2. Even if it did, SLSF could never really be more than a soft dependency meaning I couldn't depend on it being installed. Which would mean yet another fork of coding/mechanics between people that do have it installed and people that don't. 

3. I think SLSF is unmaintained unfortunately. 

4. I'm not massively familiar with how SLSF works. 

 

These points are just a bit too irreconcilably to me right now. 

18 hours ago, Sulrandir said:

or it could tie to Hero Fame

You keep mentioning this but I don't know exactly what you're referring to. You mean when you become thane of whiterun for example?

 

[kapibar]

5 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Been meaning to try it... whenever I actually get to play the game. Sometime circa 2023 maybe ?

WT & SLS release date confirmed!

Punishing Lashes has two cool featues - first is decreasing stats (much more punishing than your average debuff) and the second one is applying injury slave tats, which makes whipping a lot more immersive. Unfortunately it doesn't exactly go well with WT for a simple reason - the beatings are too short, and the stat reduction is applied after few seconds of punishment. So if you ever have a chance to test out PL, you might want to consider increasing the time of father's punishment, or at least in case of whipping make it say 1 minute event that reduces health to defined minimum instead of applying damage to each stroke.

Edited October 5, 2022 by kapibar

[dertcz]

12 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

At first I thought you're not running the tweak because stats are limited to 100. Have been for some time. So 300 favour and 102 depravity should not be possible. Generally suspect something wrong with your install before even getting into bugs. 

It is not true. For short time is possible to overload stats (after some event by set up to cap).

 

12 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

It's random. Just keep asking.

Multiple time play scenario. This both quest after some time father stopping giving. Version 10.3 SE.

[Sulrandir]

@Monoman1: RE: "Hero Fame" (quoting part of a post from my phone is an exercise in aggravation, so just paraphrasing)

 

I'm AFK as I'm writing, and it's the middle of the night, so I'm not going digging through the LL forums to check receipts, but I'm pretty sure I got that term in my head from the Public Whore mod. I know, at least, that one has a means of tracking your notoriety through POSITIVE achievements, juxtaposed against the normal slut/whore/slave Fame metrics tracked by SLSF. Not pretending to know if it's a metric specific to that mod or if it's co-opting a vanilla value (I mean, you start off unknown in each Hold, and after you help out enough, you're allowed to buy property, so that COULD be where it gets it?), But that's where my train of thought was laying it's tracks 

 

As to the "Reputation system already in place" remark, I was referring to the system your mod applies to Whiterun merchants once Supply Run progresses far enough. Didn't know if that's dependent on SLSF(didn't seem to be), but I was only thinking that, on a very general sense, at least, you have the system, applying it outside Whiterun under different conditions is--theoretically--a matter of scale. Not to minimize the amount of effort it would take to expand that scale, nor to even imply that it's inherently feasible; just an avenue of thought I hadn't seen explored as relates to this narrowed topic, yet.

 

As ever, just brainstorming, and not keeping it to myself for a change.

[Xiaron]

On 10/5/2022 at 1:28 AM, Monoman1 said:

Dunno. Don't bother with those side quests much due to how much gold they pay out and the fact that you're fucking a dog/horse in broad daylight in public without any kind of build up never sat right with me. 

I just consider those options 'locked' until Father starts the relevant Aldo/Brutus events. Makes a lot more sense to me the PC would have those options after Father already pushed her into it, but not before.

[damarok]

I think i have some problems with arousal settings.. sometimes its just not possible to finish scene with orgasm because it ends too fast.

[Monoman1]

1 hour ago, damarok said:

I think i have some problems with arousal settings.. sometimes its just not possible to finish scene with orgasm because it ends too fast.

Enable 'Use separate orgasms' in the sexlab mcm. 

Increase the stage timers in sexlab mcm. 

 

Prepare first.

Try to remove any major stamina/magicka debuffs. 

Get stamina buffing potion/skooma. 

Dance on the pole to increase arousal. (though watch out for stack dumps doing this due to poor CPU/script load/ + a bad coding approach)

On 10/9/2022 at 9:48 PM, Xiaron said:

I just consider those options 'locked' until Father starts the relevant Aldo/Brutus events. Makes a lot more sense to me the PC would have those options after Father already pushed her into it, but not before.

True enough I suppose. Though fucking the family dog in the 'privacy' of home and doing it in a cage in public at the main exit of a major city without any kind of anonymity are still worlds apart IMO. 

[Xiaron]

9 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

True enough I suppose. Though fucking the family dog in the 'privacy' of home and doing it in a cage in public at the main exit of a major city without any kind of anonymity are still worlds apart IMO. 

No argument here, but isn't that what hoods are for? ?

[Straze]

On 9/26/2022 at 5:34 PM, Straze said:

Did you figure it out? 
Just reached the same part and after the animation ends I get bad reputation debuff within Whiterun.
Not sure if reputation can be saved in any way.

I'm guessing it is tied to the bestiality progression by accepting father's punishments to have s*x with the dog (haven't done it enough to progress that part of the mod). MCM shows "Recognised as Breeder" as invalid. 

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Good morning,

Haven't continued playing anymore due to this issue, and I was curious if it's safe to install SLSO mid playthrough as it looks to be the only solution. 

SLSO conflicts with other mods, but apparently I can disable/enable its features when required ("always cum" option). For example; I can install SLSO and leave it off till "Wartimes - Supply Run" starts/checks for the 'SLSO Game with Belethor's Dog' and turn it back off afterwards.

[Monoman1]

4 hours ago, Straze said:

Good morning,

Haven't continued playing anymore due to this issue, and I was curious if it's safe to install SLSO mid playthrough as it looks to be the only solution. 

SLSO conflicts with other mods, but apparently I can disable/enable its features when required ("always cum" option). For example; I can install SLSO and leave it off till "Wartimes - Supply Run" starts/checks for the 'SLSO Game with Belethor's Dog' and turn it back off afterwards.

pchsWtApology.pex

Here, try this. 

Disclaimer: I can't remember if I made any other major changes to this script so keep a save before installing. 

[Straze]

6 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Here, try this. 

Thanks a lot! This seems to have fixed the issue, now the gold is removed and no debuff is applied. Will have to see if other issues occur if changes had been made to the script - but for now it works!

Edited October 17, 2022 by Straze

[AylaElfie]

Hello! Is the "Aroused Creatures Tweak Tweak" compatible with the latest tweak from OsmelMC? I'm worried that overwriting the ESP will cause issues, but I would like to be able to exclude Aldo as well. Thanks!

[Monoman1]

13 hours ago, candibelle said:

Hello! Is the "Aroused Creatures Tweak Tweak" compatible with the latest tweak from OsmelMC? I'm worried that overwriting the ESP will cause issues, but I would like to be able to exclude Aldo as well. Thanks!

Probably not. 

[AylaElfie]

2 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Probably not. 

No worries! I can deal with a little extra knottage. 

[Iroha]

18 hours ago, candibelle said:

Hello! Is the "Aroused Creatures Tweak Tweak" compatible with the latest tweak from OsmelMC? I'm worried that overwriting the ESP will cause issues, but I would like to be able to exclude Aldo as well. Thanks!

You can download latest version of AC for SE and use meshes from Osmels patch. That worked earlier, probably will work now if there is no new meshes.

[AylaElfie]

2 hours ago, Iroha said:

You can download latest version of AC for SE and use meshes from Osmels patch. That worked earlier, probably will work now if there is no new meshes.

Wow, I'm surprised that works! Thank you very much!

[Sierrok]

Is 10.3 still the latest version?

[Monoman1]

1 hour ago, Sierrok said:

Is 10.3 still the latest version?

yes

[scream342]

Hi, I can't undress and I dont know why.

 

EDİT: I just noticed ı can undress near my bed so yeah ı think its for father request. But ı cant do with thats guys because of that.

 

Edited October 21, 2022 by scream342

[Skelletoncz]

Excellent expansion of this mod.
Is there an updated list of supported mods?

Thank you very much for the time you devoted to the development of this mod.

[Frozenpasties]

"Completed" the recommended version for SE, by first getting "slave wife" status and killing Father a few days afterwards (which completed the quest and left me with a nice little bounty to deal with, luckily I had some savings squirreled away!). A pretty cool experience overall! However, I've got some leftover issues from (I assume) some of the background quests the mod runs, and was hoping that someone could advise me on whether these are fixable (I'm willing to mess around in CK or Xedit if need be).

Firstly, and most annoyingly, NPCs that have the same vanilla voice type as Father seem to use some of his lines when greeting them (i.e. "Get out of my way woman!", or whatever). 

Secondly, Mother seems to have never died, despite me letting the clock run out on  her "treatment" to advance the quest. She's still chilling in Dragonsreach, but has no quest-related dialogue. Lucien (from the parties) seems to also be hanging out in the Bannered Mare still. I might just move ol mumsey to some nice house somewhere and give her some damn clothes, if nothing else.

Thirdly, and also fairly annoyingly, I'm getting notifications about Father being dissappointed when PC doesn't orgasm. As far as I can tell the favour system isn't really doing anything anymore, but it's a bit jarring when that pops up every single time. Is this related to Lucien hanging around in the Bannered Mare, I think that's mostly where I've been conducting my uhhhhh... "business" as of late?

[Sulrandir]

I've similarly finished the quest (impregnated, then refused to hand over the baby, sold into slavery). Hand-off to Simple Slavery worked fine, apparently, and from there to whatever further abuses other mods inflict--all good. But I'm still getting the "Father: It's okay you didn't cum, baby. I know you only like beast cocks" line appearing, as well as "Father didn't see me put it on" when I equip DDs (only in manual equip; doesn't happen if another mod force equips DDs).

 

It was jarring at first, and had me worried that the mod was still running and would break other things later, but so far, so good. So I've just decided to RP it away. My headcanon says Father's abuses so badly traumatized my imaginary girl that she still hears his voice in her head, reinforcing her shattered self-image and causing her to continually relive her trauma, which seems right, to me, even if it's not how the mod was intended to function.