How Do You Please a Crowd that's Experienced It All Before?

[KoolHndLuke]

The problem with gaming, movies, music and basically social media of any stripe at large; Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt is pretty much how I read most people's reactions to everything under the artificial sun of the internet. New vid on GooTube? Yeah, looks like another I saw last summer. New song coming out? Sounds a lot like something else I've heard. Some fool going crazy on a web forum? Well, hell we've all witnessed that before (or been that person). So is this it? Have we seen, heard or read it all? Is there nothing left with any shock value? Can I die now knowing there is nothing new left to experience? 

[KoolHndLuke]

30 minutes ago, Alkpaz said:

Ask Lady GaGa.  Why do you think Madonna is no longer a "thing"? Now we have racey 13yr olds doing this sort of stuff. (example: Danielle Cohn)

Note: She IS 13yrs old! Oh, and Youtube approves of this, as does Instagram. Here is more about her: 

BTW, Lauren Chen is good friends with Blaire White, Jeremy from The Quartering, Tim Pool from Timcast, and Lauren Southern. 

Well, that's what I mean. We've already gone so far past the boundaries that there are none left. Besides, portraying young girls as sex objects is certainly nothing new. Don't you see? The net has made everything so accessible that we are more like a hive mind than individuals. When the mystery of life is gone, what the fuck else is there?

 

A guy I talked to a few days ago said some things to me that made all too much sense. I already knew what he was talking about before he said it. We were talking about IT stuff. He said he'd been working for the local power plant for over 22 yrs. I asked him some questions about this and that, but what he said later was actually something I already knew; Learn to dislike/distrust people and drink a lot. Check.....and check. I'm feeling sort of disillusioned about life right now lol. 

 

Mods were the last great discovery of my life, many years ago. That's not to say that I haven't done my fair share of exploring- because I have. It seems I've reached a point in my life where there is literally nothing new to discover. Aliens? Yeah, I always suspected. Nuclear Armageddon? Same. Love/Hate, Jealousy/Envy, leaders and followers, men/women/other. Seriously, what's left?

[Arethiel]

Well, no one's experienced everything the universe has to offer but if we're talking about just sort of the mundane sex/violence etc type stuff then sure I guess everyone has or can experience it all (generally) but I feel like that's a good thing. Being shocked by something is generally not a good thing because it means that you were naive enough to believe it to be unable to happen and also prevents more rational decisions because when humans are shocked the immediate reaction is to get rid of it even though it may be unnecessary to do so. That's all just my opinion of course.

[KoolHndLuke]

37 minutes ago, Arethiel said:

Well, no one's experienced everything the universe has to offer but if we're talking about just sort of the mundane sex/violence etc type stuff then sure I guess everyone has or can experience it all (generally) but I feel like that's a good thing. Being shocked by something is generally not a good thing because it means that you were naive enough to believe it to be unable to happen and also prevents more rational decisions because when humans are shocked the immediate reaction is to get rid of it even though it may be unnecessary to do so. That's all just my opinion of course.

Hmmmm.......let me explain another way. There is no more "magic" for me. Why? Because I sought the answers in an effort to shatter the illusion. Am I better off for it? Maybe. But, plenty of other people are still in the stands happily enjoying being none the wiser and thoroughly entertained while I just shrug my shoulders. You see what I mean? Ignorance is bliss and I've always pretty much known that. My brother and I used to joke about it because we really didn't have a choice. Understanding is a burden and the burden of truth isn't just some silly show- it's about proving there is more to life than we know.

[Mr. Otaku]

The internet allows people to vicariously experience many different things, which leads to the eventual jadedness. I don't have any solid answer but i'll say this, seeing someone do something and vicariously living through that experience is very different from the real experience (duh) so doing stuff that you want yourself is a good place to start. It may shock you to do something you have seen already many times only to find that the real experience feels more intense and maybe different from what you expected.

 

I don't know, something like that i guess.

[27X]

Pushing boundaries and finding the new thing are two completely different paradigms and contextual environments.

 

Pushing boundaries is entirely subjective and in the age of instant content delivery is simply inevitable. and already cyclic.

 

 

Finding the new thing simply happens when you take in more than your personality can safely digest and again in an age of instant gratification and literal on-demand venues, leads to burnout from plain old simple overindulgence. The answer to fixing that is actually really easy. Task the brain with physical things instead of mental, and only pick the new thing that hits every checkbox on the list. The older you get the less random stimulus you can crave or even be able to use to advance experience and nuance levels, and the simple truth is you have to start picking your bitches instead of fucking everything that moves.

[KoolHndLuke]

8 minutes ago, Mr.Otaku said:

The internet allows people to vicariously experience many different things, which leads to the eventual jadedness. I don't have any solid answer but i'll say this, seeing someone do something and vicariously living through that experience is very different from the real experience (duh) so doing stuff that you want yourself is a good place to start. It may shock you to do something you have seen already many times only to find that the real experience feels more intense and maybe different from what you expected.

 

I don't know, something like that i guess.

I always wanted to play guitar because I felt I have a natural talent. Acoustic of course, I have no dreams of "making it". Funny thing is that I want to give something special to this world before I die......and I just can't think of what that might be. I have no sons or daughters that I can pass any knowledge on to. Maybe I see the people around me as my children? Does that sound stupid?

[V3rius]

7 minutes ago, 27X said:

...the simple truth is you have to start picking your bitches instead of fucking everything that moves.

The statement in context alone is worth praise.

[KoolHndLuke]

48 minutes ago, 27X said:

Finding the new thing simply happens when you take in more than your personality can safely digest and again in an age of instant gratification and literal on-demand venues, leads to burnout from plain old simple overindulgence.

Oh, but I understand the power of taking things in moderation. In fact, I always have I think. The problem (for me) is that every facet of life falls neatly into a category. I mean, isn't that what we do best as a species? And once you've seen the rain, you know where the water comes from. Granted, there are some things in life that you can only really "know" from experience. The problem is that the things I might want to experience are far beyond my means/finances- like being a fucking millionaire for instance- this is true for most people I think. I'm thinking within some boundaries I deem realistic.

 

Now, imagination is where we shine. And while I have seen some really great ideas in games, movies, music, whatever....I don't think we have even scratched the surface. Abstract thinking is what we (men) do best it seems. Yes, I could provide facts to back this up- but I not going to.

 

An example of abstract idealism is this;

 

Yup! A blank slate. Reverse in the mind what you have ever known and start from complete darkness. No humans, animals, insects and the like. No Earth, hell no planets, no universe, no light, no anything that we know. What would have to remain, though?

[Mr. Otaku]

37 minutes ago, KoolHndLuke said:

I always wanted to play guitar because I felt I have a natural talent. Acoustic of course, I have no dreams of "making it". Funny thing is that I want to give something special to this world before I die......and I just can't think of what that might be. I have no sons or daughters that I can pass any knowledge on to. Maybe I see the people around me as my children? Does that sound stupid?

Well, start there then. You shouldn't have to approach every single thing as trying to "make it". It's okay to have hobbies. I personally am a bass guy, and i think that i don't completely suck at it. Each time i play it it's a good experience, feeling. Trying new lines, or just tapping the cords to see if you can make it sound melodious. Stuff like that and a bunch more. Obviously my main thing is drawing, and i take that very seriously, but i also do other stuff too. Taking a break every now and then from internet and work is absolutely worth it.

 

Lol i don't know about seeing people as children, that could lead to some awkward moments. Not sure how you'd even approach a scenario like that. Just do something that feels good, if it's playing guitar, give it a shot. The internet is good at tricking you into feeling totally fulfilled, so never depend on it for all your life experiences. It only leads to a spiral, very often leading to procrastination.

[KoolHndLuke]

Okay, Godammit!! Who is going to pilot this spaceship to somewhere fucking else? I could do it, and then be promptly ignored by everyone since we're chalked full of crazy already! Have I fucking seen it ALL or what? 

 

Oh, for some context my neighbors got busted for drug dealing today. I was wondering for awhile why there were cops everywhere outside my home today. But after a few, I came to realize that's another thing I anticipated.

 

[Tyrant99]

There's an infinite amount of information and a limited amount of time and brain bandwidth available to digest it. Any given person can only ever know a tiny fraction of what there is to know. What's available to learn is literally inexhaustible, all it takes is some curiosity and imagination.

 

Based on what you're saying, it sounds like you'll only be satisfied if you create something. So, do what you want, or else, lay there like a star-fish while life slowly fucks you.

 

 

[KoolHndLuke]

41 minutes ago, Tyrant99 said:

Any given person can only ever know a tiny fraction of what there is to know. What's available to learn is literally inexhaustible, all it takes is some curiosity and imagination.

Nah. Due to the way we categorize everything, there is very little in the realm of logic that falls far from the tree. Sure, there is an infinite amount of information available. But, how much of it is actually something shocking or surprising to discover? Face it! Nothing is all that shocking anymore. There are no more mysteries to solve! 

 

Think about it in modding let's say. What have you seen in modding lately that you otherwise would have thought impossible? And I say this with genuine curiosity since modding is my favorite past time. The reason I ask is because you cannot do much beyond what is hard-coded......in the game or in your mind.

 

Let me remind everyone of what shocking is in life-

 

you are five and somehow deduce that Santa Claus couldn't possibly visit every home in the world in one night (and that not all those homes believe that shit in the first place). Some of your friends support this hypothesis.

 

Your girlfriend/boyfriend tells you over and over how much they love and cherish you....only for you to discover accidentally them fucking someone else......you know, because it didn't mean anything.

 

Mom/Dad comes to you and admits that they are a government sanctioned assassin/ serial rapist.

[Tyrant99]

The brain is live wired, and once those wires are in place, the brain as an organ takes on a certain structure. As time goes on, that structure becomes more cemented in place. So, you're constrained by biology and locked in to see the world based on the structure of your brain to some degree. But, that doesn't mean that that's all there is or that it's the only way to see things.

 

What you're talking about is subjective though, having your built up world view and understanding of things disrupted in some dramatic way...

 

DMT trip time?

[landess]

Setting out to please anyone, much less a crowd, is a daunting task. Experience isn't a bad thing, but using it in a way that feels like a grind may cause one to use it less, when honing it to the 'next level' may provide opportunities otherwise unrealized.

 

My experience helps me to avoid wasting time on things which I wouldn't enjoy, although I've come to notice it seems to be a new spin on something familiar which I'm comfortable with.

 

But then again I grew up with 3 TV stations and getting a new one on UHF was a big deal. I don't see it slowing down, and can't imagine where it'll be in another 50 years. Seeing all these 'old' people whom swore they'd never use a computer now walking around carrying one in their phone makes me smile.

 

All is a lot, so doubt we'll experience it all, but the narrower ones interests, the easier to find a lack of stimulus.

[Reginald_001]

On 10/3/2019 at 3:18 AM, KoolHndLuke said:

The problem with gaming, movies, music and basically social media of any stripe at large; Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt is pretty much how I read most people's reactions to everything under the artificial sun of the internet. New vid on GooTube? Yeah, looks like another I saw last summer. New song coming out? Sounds a lot like something else I've heard. Some fool going crazy on a web forum? Well, hell we've all witnessed that before (or been that person). So is this it? Have we seen, heard or read it all? Is there nothing left with any shock value? Can I die now knowing there is nothing new left to experience? 

This made me laugh (not in a mean derisive way, but in a 'oh shit I recognize this feeling so much' way).

 

It says more about you than it does about the world. (Really not meant as criticism)

There is more that you have NOT experienced, seen and heard, than there is that you HAVE experienced.

 

'What's out there on the market' depends on your cultural and individual upbringing. In India they like Indian music, in North America Rap music (just an example). That's what I mean 'it says more about you than about the world'.

 

It also depends on how you categorize things. If you look for quick shock value. There's only so much to shock you out there. You are looking for a very specific thing.. 'the next viral thing'.. it sounds like an empty pursuit to me.

 

Perhaps you'd want to dive into what moves you to look for a deeper value of things, that can come from subtlety and nuance.

Overstimulation will fry your brain to the point where nothing's fun and nothing's cool.

 

So my advice:
 

- Moderate your intake of media.

- Moderate your expectations and learn to like subtlety and nuance, read a long book. Become truly moved by something.

- Dive into other cultures, foreign movies and music.

- Realize that you've not even seen or experienced 0.000001% of what's out there.

- Do not engage in pornography especially if you're a man (ever, it literally fries your brain). Pornography can be so good that you come into a state where nothing excites you any more. This is what happened to me. I didn't like music, games, books NOTHING interested me. All that could move me was pornography. When I FINALLY gave it up.. all those things came back to me. And I've been feeling like I felt when I was 18... everything excites me now. Moreso than ever, simple things make me happy again!! I mention this specifically because the main symptom of pornography 'victims' is feeling that nothing else is fun any more.

[Fakenet]

We have not "seen it all before".

It's just that you consume the same media every day. For me every Pop-Music singer sounds the same. Havana and Senorita for example sounds like the exact same person to me (me thinking that they are two different singers who just sound alike more confirms my statement than disprove it).

Then there is the current lack of new ideas in Hollywood, all they to is sequels, prequels, reboots and remakes.

Also we are the first generation to grow up with the internet #neuland and the internet gives us a really long memory. How many people would know about "The Godfather" today without the internet?!

[Guest]

its not about we seen everything, nowadays just lot of things lack creativity.

 

You can make the biggest cliches to fun and interesting, if you done or twist it rights, even most generic thing can be intriguing, all it need is just creativity.

 

See adult arts, they use the same poses and act and we have many of them, yet despite that, we can find artist and creators with truly different style of the very same thing

 

You are not crazy or gonna miss anything new to experience, it just avoid the mainstream things a bit.

 

You probably better off looking into indie gaming, and more less known creators and movies, they can suprise you.

 

[KoolHndLuke]

6 hours ago, Reginald_001 said:

Pornography can be so good that you come into a state where nothing excites you any more. This is what happened to me. I didn't like music, games, books NOTHING interested me. All that could move me was pornography. When I FINALLY gave it up.. all those things came back to me. And I've been feeling like I felt when I was 18... everything excites me now. Moreso than ever, simple things make me happy again!! I mention this specifically because the main symptom of pornography 'victims' is feeling that nothing else is fun any more.

Damn, I think you hit the nail on the head there! I have been watching more porn lately. I can't get over how gorgeous these girls (and some guys) are nowadays! And fuck......the things they can do are fuckin' awesome! There are so damn many now that it almost makes me think that everyone but me is fucking like a pornstar- or wants to be one. But, I know that can't really be true since the people I see every day are just normal schlubs like me. 

 

But, that's also what I mean about the boundaries being pushed so far out that none even notice they're there anymore. Where is the frontier? Seems like most things now are just refinement of old ideas.

 

Last century, we had all kinds of new, neat discoveries. What's been discovered so far in this one?

[Alter Native]

In my opinion it's not about being very creative or shocking the audience, it's about good execution, in whatever you're doing.

Nobody is excited for Cyberpunk because it's an RPG in a cyberpunk setting. People are excited because its done by CP Red and they know it'll be done very well and it'll be worth their time. 

None of the Blizzard games were in any way or form new or creative or anything, they were just done well. (For the most part).

 

The same is true for other media, you don't need to invent a new genre or whatever, you can just do something like a good old western or whatever and be successful as long as it's executed well. 

[Reginald_001]

40 minutes ago, KoolHndLuke said:

Damn, I think you hit the nail on the head there! I have been watching more porn lately. I can't get over how gorgeous these girls (and some guys) are nowadays! And fuck......the things they can do are fuckin' awesome! There are so damn many now that it almost makes me think that everyone but me is fucking like a pornstar- or wants to be one. But, I know that can't really be true since the people I see every day are just normal schlubs like me. 

 

But, that's also what I mean about the boundaries being pushed so far out that none even notice they're there anymore. Where is the frontier? Seems like most things now are just refinement of old ideas.

 

Last century, we had all kinds of new, neat discoveries. What's been discovered so far in this one?

It's called Numbed Pleasure Response and it's no joke, but it's easily healed if it's caused by pornography.

(It can also be caused by over-eating, doing drugs or alcohol, anything you overindulge with especially if they are 'natural' needs.)

 

There is one possible cause and physical reason for this phenomenon and that pit of despair is very deep (if one should find themselves in it like I did a month ago). At first I did not want to even admit it to myself. Warning: Big rant in spoiler not to go too much off-topic, as pornography could be just one of the reasons for not being able to enjoy things.

 

 

I LOVE PORNOGRAPHY.

I love it more than ANYTHING ELSE, period.
I love every aspect of pornography. The weird fetishes, the history, the real stories behind producers and models.
I loved the sordid stuff, like the Liz Vicious story that involves blackmail, murder, slavery. I liked to read those background stories, then think about them while watching the girls in action. Anything to get a fresh set of dopamine. Stuff I couldn't even imagine liking, when I was still clean.

Nothing even comes close, nothing even compares. My wedding day? Blahh.. boring.. I can tell you about 10 pornographic movies/moments I remember that excited me more. The thrill, especially when 'edging' was so much that it could last for days.
 

And all the time I was wondering why I was so depressed.

Why music, or movies, didn't move me anymore like they used to, when I was young.

And all the time I was wondering why nothing moved me.

Fired? So what... Divorce? Alright.. Money problems? No biggie..

Was I turning into a psychopath? 
One of my best friends committed suicide. I didn't even blink an eye and was looking at pornography the same night, or at least not long after I got the news.

It escalated like fuck, until I made Ivy and found out, through writing her, what kind of path I had set myself on, long ago.
Anyway, I rant and I apologize. I'm not here to convince anyone, I just think it's important to share my insights.

 

These few minutes (the video starts at the interesting point) explain in great detail the physical reason why specifically internet pornography numbs every other sensation in the brain, causing the 'Numbed Pleasure Response' syndrome (among many other disorders such as PIED)

 

 

[KoolHndLuke]

Yeah, but you take away the nudity, sex and all things that are hot and this site wouldn't be around for much longer.  SEX sells EVERYTHING almost. Just putting a picture of a hot girl on an advertisement somewhere will automatically increase attention and sales. Are we seeing this too much?

 

Honestly, I never thought of my masturbation as an addiction. But, it seems it is. It was so simple for many, many years- watch porn and get myself off. Didn't need a woman for anything and most of my relationships ended because I came off weird like this guy was saying.

 

But, damn I really don't want to give up ALL my porn!

[Reginald_001]

15 minutes ago, KoolHndLuke said:

Yeah, but you take away the nudity, sex and all things that are hot and this site wouldn't be around for much longer.  SEX sells EVERYTHING almost. Just putting a picture of a hot girl on an advertisement somewhere will automatically increase attention and sales. Are we seeing this too much?

Most boys of age 12, these days, have seen more naked bodies having sex than their grandparents have in their entire lives. It's available everywhere and most kids have iPhone, iPads and other media devices these days.

 

When I first rebooted, using NoFap, I had to stay away for 2 weeks from the site as it was too 'triggering'. But I've created sort of a filter in my mind. I don't even watch it. I just look away when I'm confronted and that's it; no biggie.

 

I think there's nothing wrong with eroticism. But it's the PMO that's bad, and especially the edging stuff (where he explains how each click translates to a new dopamine rush). Also for now I've just changed from 'every day' to 'once a week', which has already made a world of change in my depression levels and anxiety. And in the ability to enjoy things in life as well.

[KoolHndLuke]

19 minutes ago, Reginald_001 said:

'once a week'

Shit, that would be hard. I usually have to get off every night before I can go to sleep. It's no wonder our grand parents didn't sex things up more than the did- overexposure leads to burn-out I guess. I'll start looking for a more modest girlfriend (if they exist anymore).

 

It makes sense to me that the package (and imagination of what's in it) is better anyway and not constantly being confronted by it or the pressure to perform. Like holding hands and kissing- especially this is fun.

[Reginald_001]

8 minutes ago, KoolHndLuke said:

Shit, that would be hard. I usually have to get off every night before I can go to sleep.

I was the same a month ago.

The first week was hell and I relapsed. Then I tried again and I relapsed again. Then I became despaired but I tried again. Then suddenly I was without PMO for 7 days. No porn, no masturbation, no orgasm. My biggest 'streak' was 8 days. But I'm going to go for my first long one of 30 days soon. Anything beyond 21 days should 'completely' reset your dopamine levels and remove all delta-fos-B from your brain.

 

(When you watch porn, dopamine is released, this feels good, then delta-fos-B is made, which makes you crave more porn and orgasms, this loop continues and becomes stronger and stronger).