AAF HARDSHIP - beggar- whore -

[Sagebrush61]

How bout the guy in the back room of Hotel Rexford?  Can't recall his name at the moment, but he is already involved in drug manufacturing, owns a hotel in Good Neighbor,  not too much of a stretch to see him into the sex trade to supplement his income.

[shunter]

So, until the author patches it, I cannot have this mod and Ulfberth's AAF patch in my load order at the same time, or Hardship won't work, right?

[izzyknows]

7 hours ago, Tentacus said:

White Chapel Charley maybe...?

How about Theodore Collins (but ....IF you do the quest you kill him)

Irma (well the memory den is fitting)

Ham

Fahrenheit

Marowski (if you don't kill him after Diamond City Blues or run Depravity)

Skinny Malone (add sandbox & make non hostile on return)

 

[Tentacus]

7 hours ago, shunter said:

So, until the author patches it, I cannot have this mod and Ulfberth's AAF patch in my load order at the same time, or Hardship won't work, right?

If Ulf released a new LL version recently... more or less yeah. I hope to get it patched by middle of next week.

[Tentacus]

2 hours ago, izzyknows said:

How about Theodore Collins (but ....IF you do the quest you kill him)

Irma (well the memory den is fitting)

Ham

Fahrenheit

Marowski (if you don't kill him after Diamond City Blues or run Depravity)

Skinny Malone (add sandbox & make non hostile on return)

 

I'd want to avoid anybody too quest entangled (May as well consider Thuggysmurf's mods as Canon). Farenheit is intriguing. Talk about yet another example of Fallout 4's wasted potential. 

 

I need multiple paths to get to the new Male Slave Master (Tentatively named "Daddy Warlord of the children of the corn or whatever"... You laugh but considering Sgt Hammer in MaSF Is Literally just Sgt Hatred you really shouldn't) Farenheit would be one bad entry WCC could be the "I wanna buy some slaves" entry. The other Bad Entry is Raymond (Hey Claire warned you to behave)

 

Daddy Warlord will also tie into Isabel's backstory. He stole something from her. and they want eachother dead.

 

On an unrelated note, I've also been thinking about the Floozies I want to add with TSEX. Rival prostitutes that people who don't want to play Hardship can simply patronize. I had general ideas about them but I recently read a manga that gave me an idea for a quest. Should be some fun times.

 

This quest would involve different outcomes based on SPECIAL. In general I'd like to incorporate SPECIAL more into my mods.

[Teddar]

9 hours ago, Tentacus said:

So instead of doing what I should and working towards actually getting the next update out I am thinking a lot about TSEX and 1.6 and some of the quest content I want to add... and it starts to become frustrating. I wish there was a character in Fallout 4 who was so obviously secretly involved in Sex Trafficking as Belethor surely is in Skyrim. Any ideas? Somebody who'd sell his own sister for the right price.

 

White Chapel Charley maybe...? Not sure what he'd really get out of it besides the spite of making meatbags miserable . Same Voice actor as Belethor so... lol. 

I think you said previously that you dont want to get into Nuka-World (or did i imagine that?) but you got a couple of faction leaders there that fit the bill. Plus a ready made slave-camp area where the merchants are. ?

[Tentacus]

8 minutes ago, Teddar said:

I think you said previously that you dont want to get into Nuka-World (or did i imagine that?) but you got a couple of faction leaders there that fit the bill. Plus a ready made slave-camp area where the merchants are. ?

It's just that the mechanics of Nukaworld make making Hardship make sense very hard. I personally love Nukaworld despite it's failings. I wish somebody more talented (like Thuggysmurf) would make a mod that allowed other paths into Nukaword and other interaction styles. Then I'd add support in a heartbeat.

[Tentacus]

Okay once again I have to call out to gender queer and trans individuals here on LL for some advice.

 

I have this idea for a character but they are in a certain parlance "Problematic as fuck"  As you know , in Hardship the only gender stuff I've messed with is some kinky BDSM play. In other words Isabel can sissify you if you are a male PC. I make it explicit in her dialogue that this isn't the same as actually being born physically the wrong gender. 

 

So this character I want to do is a Trans woman... Or possibly simply androgynous... somebody with Male genitalia but who presents female in most ways. They are bi... I am not sure how I want them to identify. The problematic part is that they are a villain. But before you get your pitchforks... 90% of all NPCs I make are morally questionable to pure evil. I'd make this person multidimensional and interesting. I wouldn't overly fetishize their trans/queer aspect any more than I would race.

 

All that said I don't wish to add to negative stereotypes or make somebody who is trans/Gender queer feel bad so My question is... What do you think?

[KitKatKseniya]

10 hours ago, Tentacus said:

So instead of doing what I should and working towards actually getting the next update out I am thinking a lot about TSEX and 1.6 and some of the quest content I want to add... and it starts to become frustrating. I wish there was a character in Fallout 4 who was so obviously secretly involved in Sex Trafficking as Belethor surely is in Skyrim. Any ideas? Somebody who'd sell his own sister for the right price.

 

White Chapel Charley maybe...? Not sure what he'd really get out of it besides the spite of making meatbags miserable . Same Voice actor as Belethor so... lol. 

I feel like Farenheit is vaguely menacing to do doing stuff like that under Hancocks nose. Also she seemed like a cool character with a cool voice they did pretty much nothing with, although you can kill her in the big dig quest ?

[Slorm]

@Tentacus

 

Whitechapel Charlie would certainly be appropriate as he's based on a generic stereotype of a London crook (Whitechapel is in the east end of London though may have been tarted up now from what it once was).

 

The problem is that he's a robot so would only be interested in the caps but he could be a very good lead to the actual NPC sex trafficker with the right dialogue. That way you can then create a custom NPC without having to worry about vanilla NPC's going wrong or getting killed and have a plot hook to get it started

[PenBoozerX]

4 hours ago, Tentacus said:

Okay once again I have to call out to gender queer and trans individuals here on LL for some advice.

 

I have this idea for a character but they are in a certain parlance "Problematic as fuck"  As you know , in Hardship the only gender stuff I've messed with is some kinky BDSM play. In other words Isabel can sissify you if you are a male PC. I make it explicit in her dialogue that this isn't the same as actually being born physically the wrong gender. 

 

So this character I want to do is a Trans woman... Or possibly simply androgynous... somebody with Male genitalia but who presents female in most ways. They are bi... I am not sure how I want them to identify. The problematic part is that they are a villain. But before you get your pitchforks... 90% of all NPCs I make are morally questionable to pure evil. I'd make this person multidimensional and interesting. I wouldn't overly fetishize their trans/queer aspect any more than I would race.

 

All that said I don't wish to add to negative stereotypes or make somebody who is trans/Gender queer feel bad so My question is... What do you think?

All I can say is.. Don't worry about it.

Most T folk don't care about fetish T-content in context either, this is quite literally a porn modding site, we get it, you're here to wank. Just wank!

Androgynous means they display characteristics, act and appearance of both sexes so evenly you'd have hard time telling if they were male or female in the first place. So "presenting as female" would go against androgyny which is trying to pass as both genders at the same time.

 

Being trans or tranny doesn't make you immune to being immoral or plain evil, just go for it. (no matter how much the activists would like to claim the differ lol)

There is quite a few famous trans and/or cross-dressing killers and rapists in real life, I'm sure were they'd fit right in the FO universe.

 

Though the more famous villain examples come from movies, like Psycho (cross-dress), Dressed to Kill (transgender), Texas chainsaw Massacre next gen (dresses in drag).

And the ever so famous Silence of the Lambs, where Jame Gubb/Buffalo Bill (the villain) believes he is transsexual (self identification) but medical professionals in the movie refused his trans surgery as he psychologically did not fit the quota or was even too disturbed to qualify. (I'm sure nobody in FO asks psychiatrist first )

Theres some inspiration for you

[lcewolf]

Your mod is one of my 5 favorites on this site!

 

I met the Queen in Dugout Inn in diamond city. Whoa She is intense! I would like to know when she gives us an order like stay naked until otherwise it does not seem to remain active? Why when she gives us new orders the previous ones no longer seem in force? I understand that when she asks us to offer only anal sex that the previous order is no longer in effect.

But would it be possible in the near future for some orders to accumulate like the collar? She could check if we have our collar and that we are naked or vice versa.

Example; From now on, the must remained naked to serve your clientele and that subsequently she asks us to offer anal sex while remaining naked.

[Tentacus]

1 hour ago, lcewolf said:

Your mod is one of my 5 favorites on this site!

 

I met the Queen in Dugout Inn in diamond city. Whoa She is intense! I would like to know when she gives us an order like stay naked until otherwise it does not seem to remain active? Why when she gives us new orders the previous ones no longer seem in force? I understand that when she asks us to offer only anal sex that the previous order is no longer in effect.

But would it be possible in the near future for some orders to accumulate like the collar? She could check if we have our collar and that we are naked or vice versa.

Example; From now on, the must remained naked to serve your clientele and that subsequently she asks us to offer anal sex while remaining naked.

The orders only last until the next time you have to pay up. That's when she asks you about it and if it's one of the ones I actually check on you can get in trouble for lying. Currently being naked and crossdressing are on the honor system, but in the future I will properly track them. (It's complicated because of Unique player body mods and modded clothing and at the time I made Isabel I didn't wanna deal with it.)

[Tentacus]

1 hour ago, kiesu said:

Though the more famous villain examples come from movies, like Psycho (cross-dress), Dressed to Kill (transgender), Texas chainsaw Massacre next gen (dresses in drag).

And the ever so famous Silence of the Lambs, where Jame Gubb/Buffalo Bill (the villain) believes he is transsexual (self identification) but medical professionals in the movie refused his trans surgery as he psychologically did not fit the quota or was even too disturbed to qualify. (I'm sure nobody in FO asks psychiatrist first )

Theres some inspiration for you

Yeah it was this kind of coding I was concerned about. Thanks for the input.

[Yazour]

@TentacusThis is the best adult content mod around.  The use of interactive sex scenes adds so much.  All the other mods that include sex feel kinda lame now.

My only criticism is there isn't more.  Give us more!

I would love to see a super hard mode added were you are owned by raiders (Like Raider Pet, but done with your pzazz).  I also feel it ends once you have reached the point where you can kill your Pimp.  Would love the option to go on to becoming a Pimp, or alternately, become a vigilantly fighting for the rights on sex workers.

 

Regardless, keep up the great work.

[fithy]

On 10/9/2020 at 8:25 PM, vaultbait said:

Most of the first post/file page IS describing the install order for a minimal set of dependencies, from the ground up. Are you looking for something less that that? Or more?

Its More That The Animations Are Not Appearing (EX: Menacing Raider talks to you screen turns white Your characters clothes are removed, dialogue appears select one but the animation doesn't kick in and you can just walk around open pipboy and so on.) I think it might be related to mod order but all I have installed is the Required stuff from the hardship page, Atomic Lust Stash Those Caps, Smokable Cigerettes, and the required physics for bodytalk. ( The physics are MTM CBP Physics Preset, and OCBPC Physics) I've Been Reinstalling and Reordering my Modlist but so far none of it has worked

[izzyknows]

11 minutes ago, fithy said:

Its More That The Animations Are Not Appearing (EX: Menacing Raider talks to you screen turns white Your characters clothes are removed, dialogue appears select one but the animation doesn't kick in and you can just walk around open pipboy and so on.) I think it might be related to mod order but all I have installed is the Required stuff from the hardship page, Atomic Lust Stash Those Caps, Smokable Cigerettes, and the required physics for bodytalk. ( The physics are MTM CBP Physics Preset, and OCBPC Physics) I've Been Reinstalling and Reordering my Modlist but so far none of it has worked

Can you play the animations manually via the "Home" key?

Plus you need at least Leito's animation pack.

[PenBoozerX]

13 hours ago, Tentacus said:

It's just that the mechanics of Nukaworld make making Hardship make sense very hard. I personally love Nukaworld despite it's failings. I wish somebody more talented (like Thuggysmurf) would make a mod that allowed other paths into Nukaword and other interaction styles. Then I'd add support in a heartbeat.

I'm not sure what mechanics you speak of, but there is a mod that might do what you want, called "Nuka World Plus" on Nexus.

I played it quite a while ago and it has been updated since, but the main gist of it is: Getting rid of the raiders and repopulating it with faction of your choice. Personally I raided the park with Minutemen (required you to be member of Minutemen). Obviously, you won't be an Overlord anymore with the raiders dead so prostitution makes sense again, and you have new clientele from the new occupying faction (instead of deserted park if you killed the raiders without this mod).

Ofc, this also means the raiders will be dead so no unique raiders to use for cool stuff. The traders are still there though. The entry is also still the same running man game though, you need to kill the old Overboss before you can initiate a new faction to take over.

 

Once new faction has claimed the park there is a small chance of raiders coming and attempt to claim it back. If you lose this battle (triggers at low health) you'll be enslaved by the raiders with working explosive collar attached on your neck. There wasn't much interaction while enslaved in the version I played (basically you had to initiate another faction battle to reclaim freedom or find key for collar) but it would definitely serve as a sweet setting for hardship interactions and slavery.

[dakitryx]

19 hours ago, Tentacus said:

Okay once again I have to call out to gender queer and trans individuals here on LL for some advice.

 

I have this idea for a character but they are in a certain parlance "Problematic as fuck"  As you know , in Hardship the only gender stuff I've messed with is some kinky BDSM play. In other words Isabel can sissify you if you are a male PC. I make it explicit in her dialogue that this isn't the same as actually being born physically the wrong gender. 

 

So this character I want to do is a Trans woman... Or possibly simply androgynous... somebody with Male genitalia but who presents female in most ways. They are bi... I am not sure how I want them to identify. The problematic part is that they are a villain. But before you get your pitchforks... 90% of all NPCs I make are morally questionable to pure evil. I'd make this person multidimensional and interesting. I wouldn't overly fetishize their trans/queer aspect any more than I would race.

 

All that said I don't wish to add to negative stereotypes or make somebody who is trans/Gender queer feel bad so My question is... What do you think?

Trans sex worker in real life here. 

 

The only issue I would personally have with a trans woman is if she was coded as a "man pretending to be a woman," rather than... A woman. It happens a lot in media.

 

People in universe can treat her however they would in character, but so long as, from an objective standpoint, she is treated by the game itself as a woman, I'd have no issue. Showing bigotry and harassment in universe is perfectly fine, but a line is crossed to me when the author/developer/artist/whatever the fuck treats them the same way. Use female pronouns in info boxes and pop-ups, have her firm in her womanhood in universe... All that fun stuff. If you, Tentacus, treat her as a woman, not a 'tranny' or 'shemale' or whatever, all else will follow, honestly.

 

Not gonna lie, if you can pull this off, this mod would go from 9/10 to a firm 10/10. Trans women in positions of power whoring out the Sole Survivor? Goooodddddddd that'd be so fucking hot. Total wish fulfillment for me.

 

 If you need specific questions answered, I've been lurking for months and will continue to. 

[Tburgundy]

On 10/10/2020 at 5:09 AM, Tentacus said:

I'd want to avoid anybody too quest entangled (May as well consider Thuggysmurf's mods as Canon). Farenheit is intriguing. Talk about yet another example of Fallout 4's wasted potential. 

 

I need multiple paths to get to the new Male Slave Master (Tentatively named "Daddy Warlord of the children of the corn or whatever"... You laugh but considering Sgt Hammer in MaSF Is Literally just Sgt Hatred you really shouldn't) Farenheit would be one bad entry WCC could be the "I wanna buy some slaves" entry. The other Bad Entry is Raymond (Hey Claire warned you to behave)

 

Daddy Warlord will also tie into Isabel's backstory. He stole something from her. and they want eachother dead.

 

On an unrelated note, I've also been thinking about the Floozies I want to add with TSEX. Rival prostitutes that people who don't want to play Hardship can simply patronize. I had general ideas about them but I recently read a manga that gave me an idea for a quest. Should be some fun times.

 

This quest would involve different outcomes based on SPECIAL. In general I'd like to incorporate SPECIAL more into my mods.

A lot of the upper stands folks in diamond city have little in the way of quests and could work out I think. They look down on “the commoners” and dehumanize them. Classic human trafficking sort.

[DremoraDream]

I've been jumping around a lot.

Just reinstalled Indarello's patch and ran it alongside CAP's prostitution to see how that feels against Hardship. That patch is the most comprehensive and inclusive. After attempting the build many times, it takes 5 min to set up on several different managers. It's kind of easy in my opinion, so it gets the job done with little hassle. Combined with Erection Fixes, I have 0 issues or complaints.

If I may, I'd like to describe what I've found in terms of playing through the game, and not just smuttifying Fallout 4. That being said, it might be a little biased in that I love playing as a Prostitute Raider Female. But back to the point.

There are more cons in the Indarello/CAP build I have running, but the one pro to that build are so worth having that it makes it hard to switch.

Cons/Pros

Spoiler

Cons - Linear and non-diverse rp for a prostitute compared to Hardship. Also, there's no consequence unless directly related to karma. Having sex in Fallout feels bland and boring. All NPC's become non-hostile while prostituting. 

Pros - Karma! It factors in so much to how NPCs behave around the player, and makes your actions a little riskier. Because it's linked to prostitution, it makes it a little bit more interesting.

Now chances are, I'm going to leave CAP installed but ignore its Adult Content. Karma against prostitution isn't a big deal. Especially since Sex Attributes, combined with AAF Spectators and AAF Sexual Harassment make it immersive enough to have consequences. but....

Hardship: Cons/Pros

Spoiler

Cons - ah....Leito Staged Patch. Animations are limited, I can't consistently trigger SavageCabbage, BP70, or Atomic/Mutated Lust Animations. I can't initiate threesomes. I can't willfully trigger sex with dogmeat or super mutants, and I can't get punished by the latter unless I install AAF Violate...which is also tricky because the surrender from CAP is so good.

Pros - The gameplay is amazing. I have so much freedom and control over how I approach hoe-ing around the Commonwealth. I love menacing raiders. The consequences are amazing and immersive and the survival is well constructed. The animation/patches with Leito Staged Patch build is simple and works. What the mod says it does, it does with no issues. No crashes. I like having interactions during sex animations to decide what happens.

Personal Opinion:
and a kind of unrelated note below..

Spoiler

(A personal note - I mentioned several times about voiced dialogue. CAP's voiced dialogue is a lot of fun. But it get's repetitive and boring and it just seems fake. Well put together though. But I find myself skipping through it to get to the point in order to get to the prostitution. This mod, with no voiced dialogue, is way better IMO because it's quick, but outlines everything and the writing is excellent)

TL;DR

If you wanna skip the spoilers, Hardship is great. But as it is right now, I feel that as an Indarello Patch user, I'm left out of enjoying this mod. And from a user who wants to enjoy more RP ability as a prostitute in Fo4, I feel like the pop-up options during sex are a little awkward. Example below if interested:

Spoiler

Specifically, if I'm just beginning Hardship on a new save, if I want to be a reluctant prostitute, new to the scene, I have to actively avoid selecting the options to enjoy being used, abused, or raped. There are several options in between each scene all available to me no matter how new/experienced I would set up to be. Is there anyway to have the options tiered to amount of clients/rapes?

I also would really like more Threesome support if possible... Do the menacing raiders ever initiate anything like that? I think that's lacking unless it's there and I just never managed to trigger it...


Don't get me wrong though, I think this is one of the best mods that ties everything in here on LoversLab from a gameplay perspective, and complements a lot of Flashy's work with the RSE modules/Advanced Needs modules. It actually hits gameplay pretty hard when I don't run it. Still continuing to use/follow this mod. Tentacus, your work is extremely good, don't burn out!




Oh yeah, also as for future work into TSEX and quests, that sounds extremely exciting. Wolfgang from Drumlin Diner after the quest could be useful. But he is either disposed of or run off...

I believe if he isn't killed and doesn't take over the diner, he goes back to Goodneighbor. Might be something to consider?

[formanfred]

Hi Tentacus is you are looking for ideas how about having having a super mutant enslaving and trading in women in different mutant camps for breading more mutants, and entertainment just a thought.

[Lcklsmth]

7 hours ago, DremoraDream said:

I've been jumping around a lot.

Just reinstalled Indarello's patch and ran it alongside CAP's prostitution to see how that feels against Hardship. That patch is the most comprehensive and inclusive. After attempting the build many times, it takes 5 min to set up on several different managers. It's kind of easy in my opinion, so it gets the job done with little hassle. Combined with Erection Fixes, I have 0 issues or complaints.

If I may, I'd like to describe what I've found in terms of playing through the game, and not just smuttifying Fallout 4. That being said, it might be a little biased in that I love playing as a Prostitute Raider Female. But back to the point.

There are more cons in the Indarello/CAP build I have running, but the one pro to that build are so worth having that it makes it hard to switch.

Cons/Pros

  Hide contents

Cons - Linear and non-diverse rp for a prostitute compared to Hardship. Also, there's no consequence unless directly related to karma. Having sex in Fallout feels bland and boring. All NPC's become non-hostile while prostituting. 

Pros - Karma! It factors in so much to how NPCs behave around the player, and makes your actions a little riskier. Because it's linked to prostitution, it makes it a little bit more interesting.

Now chances are, I'm going to leave CAP installed but ignore its Adult Content. Karma against prostitution isn't a big deal. Especially since Sex Attributes, combined with AAF Spectators and AAF Sexual Harassment make it immersive enough to have consequences. but....

Hardship: Cons/Pros

  Hide contents

Cons - ah....Leito Staged Patch. Animations are limited, I can't consistently trigger SavageCabbage, BP70, or Atomic/Mutated Lust Animations. I can't initiate threesomes. I can't willfully trigger sex with dogmeat or super mutants, and I can't get punished by the latter unless I install AAF Violate...which is also tricky because the surrender from CAP is so good.

Pros - The gameplay is amazing. I have so much freedom and control over how I approach hoe-ing around the Commonwealth. I love menacing raiders. The consequences are amazing and immersive and the survival is well constructed. The animation/patches with Leito Staged Patch build is simple and works. What the mod says it does, it does with no issues. No crashes. I like having interactions during sex animations to decide what happens.

Personal Opinion:
and a kind of unrelated note below..

  Hide contents

(A personal note - I mentioned several times about voiced dialogue. CAP's voiced dialogue is a lot of fun. But it get's repetitive and boring and it just seems fake. Well put together though. But I find myself skipping through it to get to the point in order to get to the prostitution. This mod, with no voiced dialogue, is way better IMO because it's quick, but outlines everything and the writing is excellent)

TL;DR

If you wanna skip the spoilers, Hardship is great. But as it is right now, I feel that as an Indarello Patch user, I'm left out of enjoying this mod. And from a user who wants to enjoy more RP ability as a prostitute in Fo4, I feel like the pop-up options during sex are a little awkward. Example below if interested:

  Hide contents

Specifically, if I'm just beginning Hardship on a new save, if I want to be a reluctant prostitute, new to the scene, I have to actively avoid selecting the options to enjoy being used, abused, or raped. There are several options in between each scene all available to me no matter how new/experienced I would set up to be. Is there anyway to have the options tiered to amount of clients/rapes?

I also would really like more Threesome support if possible... Do the menacing raiders ever initiate anything like that? I think that's lacking unless it's there and I just never managed to trigger it...


Don't get me wrong though, I think this is one of the best mods that ties everything in here on LoversLab from a gameplay perspective, and complements a lot of Flashy's work with the RSE modules/Advanced Needs modules. It actually hits gameplay pretty hard when I don't run it. Still continuing to use/follow this mod. Tentacus, your work is extremely good, don't burn out!




Oh yeah, also as for future work into TSEX and quests, that sounds extremely exciting. Wolfgang from Drumlin Diner after the quest could be useful. But he is either disposed of or run off...

I believe if he isn't killed and doesn't take over the diner, he goes back to Goodneighbor. Might be something to consider?

Hi DremoraDream,
 

I don't have anything to add to what you said, except maybe that if he isn't killed or take over the diner (i.e. if Trudy is convinced to settle the debt through dialogue), Wolfgang just sticks around the diner and continues to sell.

But to get back to the real reason of my comment, I just wanted to thank you for putting all of this information down. I've been playing around with CAP and Hardship (I prefer Hardship, which is why I keep an eye on this thread :P), Indarello vs Staged and everything you wrote down excellent information and well, I feel you deserve special thank yous for it!

At the same time to Tentacus, a big thank you as well, I love the time and effort you are putting into your mods and excited to see how Hardship continues to be developed! To echo what DremoraDream said, don't burn out! Take care of yourself first, then everything else follows.
 

[Lcklsmth]

1 hour ago, formanfred said:

Hi Tentacus is you are looking for ideas how about having having a super mutant enslaving and trading in women in different mutant camps for breading more mutants, and entertainment just a thought.

Hi formanfred,

 

I love that idea.

A super mutant Master Pimp (using SuperMutantRedux or Outcast and Remnants outfits :P) which whores out the player/NPCs for breeding (AAF FamilyPlanningEnhanced + Wasteland Diary Framework) and maybe have milking gear and hucows similar to Orcs in Skyrim with MME. They could have a place like Breakheart Banks as their homebase. I always felt Breakheart Banks was a wasted opportunity. Though it's tied to radiant MM quests so unlikely difficult to play with without breaking those quests.

I wish I could mod more than very basic things to take on something like that...

Anyway, awesome idea!

[formanfred]

Hi Lcksmth , great idea .