OsmelMC Mod Tweaks

[BugReporter_0x29fda0ed]

hello, OsmelMC, thank you for your great mod, now I have an issue after I update 20210622(from v20210315, Skyrim SE), the expression/open mouth/lipsync system don't work .

I've tried to reconfigure by following :

1. reset expression registry;

2. re-import expression json

3. re-configure related options

but useless.

in MCM:

1. test on PC failed.

2. after importing expression json, mouth values all altered to 8000(import bug?)

3. no expression, open mouth, lipsync at any stages.

and papyrus logs report:

Spoiler

Error: Cannot access an element of a None array

stack:
    [SexLabQuestFramework (0E000D62)].sslSystemConfig.GetOpenMouthPhonemes() - "sslSystemConfig.psc" Line ?
    <unknown self>.sslBaseExpression.openmouth() - "sslBaseExpression.psc" Line ?
    [SexLabConfigurationMenu (0E079840)].sslConfigMenu.TestApply() - "sslConfigMenu.psc" Line ?
    [SexLabConfigurationMenu (0E079840)].sslConfigMenu.OnSelectST() - "sslConfigMenu.psc" Line ?
    [SexLabConfigurationMenu (0E079840)].sslConfigMenu.SelectOption() - "SKI_ConfigBase.psc" Line ?
    [SKI_ConfigManagerInstance (1A000802)].SKI_ConfigManager.OnOptionSelect() - "SKI_ConfigManager.psc" Line ?

 

Error: Array index 12 is out of range (0-0)
stack:
    [SexLabConfigurationMenu (0E079840)].sslConfigMenu.AddOption() - "SKI_ConfigBase.psc" Line ?
    [SexLabConfigurationMenu (0E079840)].sslConfigMenu.AddTextOption() - "SKI_ConfigBase.psc" Line ?
    [SexLabConfigurationMenu (0E079840)].sslConfigMenu.SystemCheckOptions() - "sslConfigMenu.psc" Line ?
    [SexLabConfigurationMenu (0E079840)].sslConfigMenu.RebuildClean() - "sslConfigMenu.psc" Line ?
    [SexLabConfigurationMenu (0E079840)].sslConfigMenu.OnPageReset() - "sslConfigMenu.psc" Line ?
    [SexLabConfigurationMenu (0E079840)].sslConfigMenu.SetPage() - "SKI_ConfigBase.psc" Line ?
    [SKI_ConfigManagerInstance (1A000802)].SKI_ConfigManager.OnPageSelect() - "SKI_ConfigManager.psc" Line ?

 

and I found the body align process is too slow, usually spends me 5-10s to finish it(comparing with 0SA's alignment method, only 1-2s to finish it). anybody know how to solve it?

Edited July 8, 2021 by User_0x070FE3C8

[Lilzt3hcat]

16 hours ago, OsmelMC said:

This is not the Framework and then for the Mod author's have none reason to adopt my changes. I wish be so easy.

 

Still... I will add a advanced configuration to allow the users adjust the LipSync with options and alternatives like:

1. The Max and Min Values of the Phoneme

2. The Phoneme to be used (one in specific like the original function or the one with biggest value like is settled right now as consequences of the fish mouth issue)

3. The time while the mouth stay open for the Moaning (originally settled to 0.2 second and right now on 1.8)

So that slider will go from 0.2 to 2.0

4. And the option to ignore the time settled and wait for Moaning Sounds ended before close the mouth, force the end of the sound once the the settled time be reached, or just close the mouth on time without care about the Moaning Sounds like is happening right now.

 

With that I think I cover all the possibilities but I'm sure that some of those options will be problematic, for example if you make the function wait for the end of the Sound before close the mouth and you have sounds with more than 2 seconds your possibilities of keep the mouth open at the end of the Animation is big and almost sure if the sound have more than 8 seconds of duration.

 

At the end none of the configurations will be good enough for the Moaning but at lease I can clean my hands like Pontius Pilate.

 

I want to personally apologize if it felt like I was sounding entitled or I added to a feeling like people were ganging up on you over the expression issues. I really appreciate what you've done to make SL better.

Edited July 8, 2021 by Lilzt3hcat

[OsmelMC]

@User_0x070FE3C8

 

That errors can only be caused by the a missing OpenMouth Phoneme array.

 

The main problem is that on the Scripts everything is right and the OpenMouth arrays are supposedly made with all and his default Values when you run the "Clean System" or "Import the Configuration"

 

Can you try changing the values for the "Advanced OpenMouth" Phonemes on the "Expression Editor" page, and close the MCM to open it again and check if the values you change are being saved.

If not definitely something is wrong with the compiled scripts. But If is taking the values without issues, then probably is solved with that and you can try the Expressions again.

 

 

Probably is my imagination but since I update my PC to Windows 10 one month before start compiling the last  version I have the impression that the scripts are not being compiled properly. Probably I set something wrong on my "Papyrus Scripts Compiler" configuration.

 

PS: The SexLab Framework GitHub version on development comes with the same new scripts for the Expressions and the OpenMouth but the Scripts are being compiled by Ashal so probably behave better. I don't recommend use it with my SLU+ yet but you can try it along to see if the OpenMouth works and that should allow me to know if something is wrong with my Papyrus Compiler.

[OsmelMC]

11 hours ago, Lilzt3hcat said:

 

I want to personally apologize if it felt like I was sounding entitled or I added to a feeling like people were ganging up on you over the expression issues. I really appreciate what you've done to make SL better.

None needs to apologise.

 

The Expressions are obviously causing some issues that have to be fixed, and if the users take the time to check that and point out the issues is probably because they trust that I can find the solution. 

Edited July 8, 2021 by OsmelMC

[BugReporter_0x29fda0ed]

19 hours ago, OsmelMC said:

@User_0x070FE3C8

Can you try changing the values for the "Advanced OpenMouth" Phonemes on the "Expression Editor" page, and close the MCM to open it again and check if the values you change are being saved.

cannot save openMouth values, I tried import expression, and changing values manually.

finally I cleaned system and retry but useless.

related papyrus log:

Spoiler

Error: Cannot access an element of a None array
stack:
    [SexLabConfigurationMenu (0E079840)].sslConfigMenu.ExpressionEditor() - "sslConfigMenu.psc" Line ?
    [SexLabConfigurationMenu (0E079840)].sslConfigMenu.OnPageReset() - "sslConfigMenu.psc" Line ?
    [SexLabConfigurationMenu (0E079840)].sslConfigMenu.SetPage() - "SKI_ConfigBase.psc" Line ?
    [SKI_ConfigManagerInstance (1A000802)].SKI_ConfigManager.OnPageSelect() - "SKI_ConfigManager.psc" Line ?

 

Error: Cannot access an element of a None array
stack:
    [SexLabQuestFramework (0E000D62)].sslSystemConfig.GetOpenMouthPhonemes() - "sslSystemConfig.psc" Line ?
    [SexLabConfigurationMenu (0E079840)].sslConfigMenu.OnSliderOpenST() - "sslConfigMenu.psc" Line ?
    [SexLabConfigurationMenu (0E079840)].sslConfigMenu.RequestSliderDialogData() - "SKI_ConfigBase.psc" Line ?
    [SKI_ConfigManagerInstance (1A000802)].SKI_ConfigManager.OnSliderSelect() - "SKI_ConfigManager.psc" Line ?

 

 

 

two solutions for me:

1. current save rollback to version 20210315

2. restart a new game with 20210622

Edited July 9, 2021 by User_0x070FE3C8

[maxsteiner]

I got the same problem with no open mouth. I can see the eyes do change expression but not the mouth. So I guess I have to uninstall SLU until a fix? Im playing Skyrim LE btw.

[INFamousUser]

I recently downloaded this and had SexLab Better Blow jobs installed. Result was that I couldn't get the mouths to open during Blow jobs, I do wanna note that the march version OsmelMC is compatible (or it seemed like it was) with SexLab Better Blowjob. I could not figure out why mouths didn't open for expressions though. Out of curiosity is a computer language being used making this mod? (amateur programmer with knowledge of C++ only asking )

 

*Note: I only posted this so that I can try to contribute (if anything) to problems others may have.

Edited July 9, 2021 by INFamousUser

[OsmelMC]

4 hours ago, INFamousUser said:

I recently downloaded this and had SexLab Better Blow jobs installed. Result was that I couldn't get the mouths to open during Blow jobs, I do wanna note that the march version OsmelMC is compatible (or it seemed like it was) with SexLab Better Blowjob. I could not figure out why mouths didn't open for expressions though. Out of curiosity is a computer language being used making this mod? (amateur programmer with knowledge of C++ only asking )

 

*Note: I only posted this so that I can try to contribute (if anything) to problems others may have.

The Scripts on better blowjob are not compatible with the current SLU+. The new scripts for OpenMouth should be even better than Better Blowjob, but for some unknown reason the OpenMouth Phonemes array don't get initialized for some user.

[boita]

I gave a try with SexLab Utility Plus v20210622 and with Hot Fix.

There's lip synch movement but it's very tiny, you'll have to zoom very close to the face to notice it. Not to demean your work, but I prefer how it was before, it seems your are looking for a more realistic look of mouth movement but I prefer how it was more expressive.

 

Although while testing, I reverted back to SexLab Utility Plus LE v20210605(Extra) but still had the Hot Fix overwrite it. Dunno if it's in my mind but the result was better: lip synch was like as before and less interference with the SL Survival Ahegao's tongue out. There's still some collision with mouth closing and the tongue equipped.

Note that I have Auto expression refresh and Lip synch and other options on.

 

Now I don't know if it's harmfull or useless to keep those new script with an older version

[OsmelMC]

17 hours ago, boita said:

Now I don't know if it's harmfull or useless to keep those new script with an older version

The Scripts on the HotFix use function that are not on the previous version so is bad idea keep it if you want to use the previous version.

 

 

[kinjo1971]

Hi Osmel,

 

Could you set an option for the ragdoll effects to be used after every animation like it was?  

[OsmelMC]

4 hours ago, kinjo1971 said:

Hi Osmel,

 

Could you set an option for the ragdoll effects to be used after every animation like it was?  

Explain yourself.

[Mirvams]

Mission accomplished. It's elegant ?

[fantajoakkh]

 

1. When sex is over, the eyes are not recovered from the raised state.

 

 

 

 

 

2. Auto Refresh Expressions toggle cannot be activated.

 

 

 

[OsmelMC]

@fantajoakkh

 

1. When the Expression is reseted the eyes are reseted too. But the eyes also move by his own as part of the Skyrim eyes tracking system and that part isn't controlled by the SexLab and often get stoked. I will check that eventually because I planning to add something to really control the direction were the eyes are looking, since the Expression system is not enough to deal with the eyes. I'm also checking if is possible control the tongue, maybe like "SexLab Manually Strip" do already.

 

 

2. The scripts for the"Auto Refresh Expression" toggle are fine and have none problem on my game. But use STATE and the state are limited to 126 for the MCM so if you have your own custom options, that my be the reason, because if you add more State that the amount allowed some of the state will stop working and don't have to be the last added. Also can be the same problem as the OpenMouth Expression array (I can't prove it yet but the amount of PROPERTY also seems to be limited at lease on some PC so I'm removing all the property I set that are not really required)

[mikesolo1975]

thanks for the amazing work .

an eta for the next update  my friend

[Nymra]

dunno if i reported this already, been a long time since I played

- With latest version of SLU+ it takes forever for the voices to start in sex scenes. seems like the initial voice delay is somehow extremly long for all scenes. takes sometimes 1-2 stages before it starts (20-30 seconds roughly)

 

EDIT: added my latest log

Papyrus.0.log

Edited July 16, 2021 by Nymra

[OsmelMC]

12 minutes ago, Nymra said:

dunno if i reported this already, been a long time since I played

- With latest version of SLU+ it takes forever for the voices to start in sex scenes. seems like the initial voice delay is somehow extremly long for all scenes. takes sometimes 1-2 stages before it starts (20-30 seconds roughly)

Yes I noticed that too. Is caused by 2 separate reasons.

1. By default the moaning voices are more often on the last stages and less often on the first stages at the point where probably you won't see more than 2 moaning on the first stage. That's not new and hasn't changed, but combined with the second reason is worse.

 

2. Right now the Moaning are not played with Values lesser than 10 and on the HotFix is around 20 or 30 without the HotFix.

 

The advanced Moaning configuration should solve that.

[Nymra]

11 minutes ago, OsmelMC said:

Yes I noticed that too. Is caused by 2 separate reasons.

1. By default the moaning voices are more often on the last stages and less often on the first stages at the point where probably you won't see more than 2 moaning on the first stage. That's not new and hasn't changed, but combined with the second reason is worse.

 

this was never true for aggressive animations. at least from my tests with voice files they always play medium voice files, hmm. and the moaning always started on stage 1 without any issues (had 3 secs voice delay and that usually was it)

 

11 minutes ago, OsmelMC said:

2. Right now the Moaning are not played with Values lesser than 10 and on the HotFix is around 20 or 30 without the HotFix.

 

The advanced Moaning configuration should solve that.

 

this should maybe be changed internally for aggressive animations to not care for those values, since they dont need it at all, hmm. Same problem with orgasm and moaning amount. 

I mean when u are raped you will have 100% pain and therfor 100% mouth and voice from the get go, since a nonconsensual/BDSM type will not have the same "stages" as vanilla (not even vanilla has that, hmm, sexlab just assumes 1 thing for everything it seems, which is just wrong). It also does not take into account that many animations start quite rough, even consensual ones. 

 

is the hotfix online already or still in the making? I just looked for it in the thread, maybe I m blind
curious to see the configuration options! 

Edited July 16, 2021 by Nymra

[OsmelMC]

My main concern about the SexLab Utility Plus right now are the Missing OpenMouth properties on some PC's even when the properties are well defined.

 

After some investigation I can't find something about restrictions on the amount of properties allowed but the main difference between my Scripts and the ones of the SexLab on development is just the amount of properties defined.

 

I taking my chances with that and removing the property that aren't 100% required. Just see if solve the problem for those that have CTD on the update or the OpenMouth issues. 

 

I can't really test it and don't think to release any BETA to test that. So the next update don't ensure the solution for the missing properties. But by other side come with the advanced configuration for the Moaning and others fixes so wait for it.

[KingstonPrince7]

Is this compatible with SexLab Triggers? Because my scripts doesn't seems work, nothing really happens

EDIT: ok, only this script doesn't work, Dynamic Sexy Swap for Shino School Uniform. Any ideas why or what I can do?

Edited July 17, 2021 by KingstonPrince7

[OsmelMC]

10 hours ago, KingstonPrince7 said:

Is this compatible with SexLab Triggers? Because my scripts doesn't seems work, nothing really happens

EDIT: ok, only this script doesn't work, Dynamic Sexy Swap for Shino School Uniform. Any ideas why or what I can do?

Yes is compatible.

 

For the "dynamic sexy Swap" first you need the "Shino School Uniform" installed and of course equipped

 

Then make sure that the school uniform that you have equipped isn't being striped be the SexLab. For that you can go to the "Strip Editor" page on the SexLab MCM and look for the school uniform on the item list, should be tagged as "Never Strip" or won't be on the list because already have the "never strip" keyword be default on the ESP file but I don't think so.

For the Swap Scripts work the school uniform need to be equipped and that's why you can't allow the SexLab to strip it.

 

Also for I read some outfits check for the current Animation so is better if you set the trigger on some event like the OnAnimationStart because not all the events guarantee the Animation settled

 

[KingstonPrince7]

3 hours ago, OsmelMC said:

Yes is compatible.

 

For the "dynamic sexy Swap" first you need the "Shino School Uniform" installed and of course equipped

 

Then make sure that the school uniform that you have equipped isn't being striped be the SexLab. For that you can go to the "Strip Editor" page on the SexLab MCM and look for the school uniform on the item list, should be tagged as "Never Strip" or won't be on the list because already have the "never strip" keyword be default on the ESP file but I don't think so.

For the Swap Scripts work the school uniform need to be equipped and that's why you can't allow the SexLab to strip it.

 

Also for I read some outfits check for the current Animation so is better if you set the trigger on some event like the OnAnimationStart because not all the events guarantee the Animation settled

 

I maked it work, the json file was not properly written (a small suffix issue and a missing command line), so I edited it a little and now it is working. Now I did my own script for this mod: Ahri Uniforms V2.

[OsmelMC]

22 minutes ago, KingstonPrince7 said:

I maked it work, the json file was not properly written (a small suffix issue and a missing command line), so I edited it a little and now it is working. Now I did my own script for this mod: Ahri Uniforms V2.

Good to know. Also I'm sure that more than one will want your Scripts for that and probably other dress Mods on the future, who knows. So think about it.

Edited July 17, 2021 by OsmelMC

[decaluka]

I can report that I seem to be having the same issue as reported earlier with sexlab cum overlays (the mod) not applying it's textures at all.

The good news however is that expressions work - I had to uninstall every other mod I had related to them and I installed Sexlab Expressions.