OsmelMC Mod Tweaks

wolfmask1402 · December 9, 2022

Hi all,

I'm sharing my fix for my problem above: ( after went through nearly 100 topic pages from mod author's - Especially @OsmelMC - with my Dial-up internet right now)

Thank for your Mod again - your mod working like a charm for many function I want - recommend your mod as core with Sex Lab. - see your mod from Conglomerate Blog

I'm playing 1.5.9.7 SE ( updated full game and use downgrade patch (I used Both version not fully downgrade)) - using MO2

- My 1st problem is Papyrus Util - Papyrus Util come with the Sexlab 1.63 is updated version compare to Nexus or Topic SL Papyrus Util - Load order problem. Papyrus above Sexlab (common mistake)

- Better Vampire and royal blood line ( I think this is very heavy script mod because I saw a lot of error lines in Papyrus log about this mod at the time of loading game) - Who try to fixing their game should use PS Papyrus Real-time Logger SE) - the conflict/error occurred because I tried to use it with Serena Dialogue Addon. As I think - What change a lot in Class setting could be conflict with Follower Overhaul mod like SDA.

- Sexlab Expresion condition extended - After tried few time -> this what caused the script lag. I will ask mod author what problem.

- Aroused based Match maker - only enabled it when you in mood :V

- Sexlab Defeat -> recommend 5.3.6 version ( I downloaded it from the link in this topic) - Sexlab Baka may be more unstable than I though before.

- Sexlab Aroused (Yeah a lot of mod based on this) - Right now I testing OSL Aroused (It's simply because it's mostly updated) and if anyone is using this, make sure you only install OSL aroused. But as My recommend for others - If you're using Osmel MC - mod - tweaks as core - go with Author's recommends - SLAX (Right now, I don't have SLAX SE version also). Playing with fire, you will be facing Skyrim Magic Fire like me for the past several days. (for OSL aroused - use this aroused setting and turn off another in MCM menu.)

- There are some topic in the forum that help re-new guy (like me) to start setup a stable new game. Some of my errors are fixed when reading those topics.

- Beware of Animation counts - 22000 ~ 23000 may be the number of stable.

- Animation choice (Billy - Baka - Toy Framework (only use classic toy - Starter Package) - Devious Device 5.1 and ZAZ 8+ Revised) - I don't refer Beast because its add a lot animation plus i don't like beast

- Sometime I faced Freeze creature animation - I have to De-install Creature in FNIS - Replace all FNIS mod again - I only use two creature mod are (Immersive Creature and Realistic Animal (SKYTest)) - Still keep Creature Frameworks in cases there is problem with animation

- With a lot of small fix right now my Script Latency around 150 after load and reduce to 100 - 80 after 5s. (loading in Whiterun market and Windhelm).

and OsmelMC - Thank for your advises.

P/S: My loaded time around 5 - 10 second (early walkthrough) - My Laptop is Dell G7 - Core I7 8th Gen - with NVIDIA GTX 1050. - I'm not a guy with technical knowledge so all above just my "trying to make a game work" with another core mod to based on) and Pardon me for bad grammar.

Edited December 9, 2022 by wolfmask1402

*OsmelMC* · December 9, 2022

@wolfmask1402

Once your setup be right, try the "Papyrus Tweak NG" with the Thread Tweak enabled. Is experimental and cause some issues but speed up the scripts like never before.

PippinTom · December 9, 2022

2 hours ago, OsmelMC said:

Once your setup be right, try the "Papyrus Tweak NG" with the Thread Tweak enabled.

yeah - that "tweak" is some kind of abomination: I've started your "actions log" in SLATE; closed MCM; alt-tabbed to desktop to check in log watcher how's progress... and it appeared that 2.5k+ operations has already been completed,.. in ~5 seconds. Usually it took hours (at least for me), so once again - ABOMINATION! ?

*OsmelMC* · December 9, 2022

19 minutes ago, PippinTom said:

yeah - that "tweak" is some kind of abomination: I've started your "actions log" in SLATE; closed MCM; alt-tabbed to desktop to check in log watcher how's progress... and it appeared that 2.5k+ operations has already been completed,.. in ~5 seconds. Usually it took hours (at least for me), so once again - ABOMINATION! ?

Yes but also the last SLATE comes with a new function to apply the ActionsLog, that is way faster even without the Thread Tweak. The usual 4 hours are now less than 30 minutes without the Thread Tweak.

crococat · December 9, 2022

Not a real bug, but sometimes sex is started in locked cages. Dont think it may be corrected.

*OsmelMC* · December 10, 2022

7 hours ago, crococat said:

Not a real bug, but sometimes sex is started in locked cages. Dont think it may be corrected.

Some cages are treated as Walls and usually they doors are different objects without a link so i can't know if the cages are closed or open. The alternative is remove the cages from the SexLabWall list.

Edited December 10, 2022 by OsmelMC

wolfmask1402 · December 10, 2022

17 hours ago, OsmelMC said:

@wolfmask1402

Once your setup be right, try the "Papyrus Tweak NG" with the Thread Tweak enabled. Is experimental and cause some issues but speed up the scripts like never before.

After checked, I Already had Papyrus Tweak NG from the beginning - So the script lag still there with conditional Expression extended mod - I am not try it again yet and still enjoy more stable gameplay for now. ^^

*Talesien* · December 10, 2022

Just now, wolfmask1402 said:

After checked, I Already had Papyrus Tweak NG from the beginning - So the script lag still there with conditional Expression extended mod - I am not try it again yet and still enjoy more stable gameplay for now. ^^

By default, experimental features like the thread tweak are disabled. So you need to edit the ini. If you didn't no huge performance boost are to be expected from having Papyrus Tweaks NG installed.

safado · December 10, 2022

8 hours ago, wolfmask1402 said:

After checked, I Already had Papyrus Tweak NG from the beginning - So the script lag still there with conditional Expression extended mod - I am not try it again yet and still enjoy more stable gameplay for now. ^^

FYI.

The recommendation about script performance alterations from Papyrus Tweaks NG in this post are not calling the feature "thread tweak" by it true name.

That can be confusing, the name is "bRunScriptsOnMainThreadOnly" and is off by default.

Spoiler

Run Scripts On Main Thread
Scripts will only run in tasklets that aren't on the main thread most of the time, hence functions like "Game.GetPlayer" or "Formlist.GetAt" needing to be synced to framerate for thread safety. This experimental tweak runs scripts only on the main thread and desyncs those functions, greatly improving script performance while still being thread safe. The potential performance improvement and framerate impact are directly influenced by `fMainThreadTaskletBudget` in PapyrusTweak's INI.

Edited December 10, 2022 by safado

NismoMan · December 12, 2022

On 6/11/2022 at 8:44 PM, OsmelMC said:

The last time I touch PND, i was working on a Winget for bowls, bladder and dirty. Like the ones of iNeeds.

Sadly I had few issues installing my old version of the "Adobe Flash" and together with other issues, I stop working on that Mod at least for now.

I want to rebuild the PND to finally get rid of all it issues and include the Winget but should be after finally release the current SLU+ and OM. And won't be soon because my PC is still broken.

Hi OsmelMC, Any progress on PND? been years since it received an update and would love to see this baby up and running again without issues.

Thanks for your hard work!

*OsmelMC* · December 12, 2022

5 hours ago, NismoMan said:

Hi OsmelMC, Any progress on PND? been years since it received an update and would love to see this baby up and running again without issues.

Thanks for your hard work! /cdn-cgi/mirage/ec1747f4a52864f9d65fdda0a450c15057de0b2c3b05ba0773d7b0e89cedcea4/1280/https://static.loverslab.com/resources/emoticons/smile.png

I want to work on that and probably retake the project before the end of the year.

By other side, still can't use the Flash on my PC to build the Winget and now I'm also noticing some new Mods that do the same as PND, so i don't know if work on this will be a good idea.

Edited December 12, 2022 by OsmelMC

NismoMan · December 14, 2022

On 12/12/2022 at 6:11 PM, OsmelMC said:

I want to work on that and probably retake the project before the end of the year.

By other side, still can't use the Flash on my PC to build the Winget and now I'm also noticing some new Mods that do the same as PND, so i don't know if work on this will be a good idea.

Which mods are you talking about? As far as I know there is MiniNeeds by CPU over at Nexus but it's been... (sorta?) abandoned by CPU, there are the old versions of Private Needs, PNRedone, Pee and Fart... etc... As far as I can tell from the comments on their threads they all have severe issues. I also happen to find "PND" and "Mini Needs" needs system to be the most suitable of the bunch.

As for the Widgets, why not work with the author of SLWidgets? They seem to be integrating widgets from different mods into his so that might save you some work.

Ah, btw, would your latest version SLU+ work with SL 1.64c?

I was on Skyrim SE 1.5.97 w/ SL 1.63 on my old PC, then I upgraded when I changed PCs to the latest SkyrimAE 1.6.64 w/ SL 1.65, but DAR isn't working so I'm downgrading back to SkyrimAE 1.6.353 w/ SL1.64c, and was wondering if your mod would work on this version since your mod page mentions SLAB 1.62, 1.63 and 1.65 only.

Thanks!

*OsmelMC* · December 14, 2022

7 hours ago, NismoMan said:

As for the Widgets, why not work with the author of SLWidgets? They seem to be integrating widgets from different mods into his so that might save you some work.

SLWidgets is too buggy for my taste and make my own Widget is very easy but is being years since I uninstalled the Flash from my PC and I misplace my setup key and don't accept any other key. I will try with my brothers PC.

7 hours ago, NismoMan said:

Ah, btw, would your latest version SLU+ work with SL 1.64c?

Should work with that version too. But is better if you keep the v1.65 and apply my conversion patch.

Convert SexLab v1.65 from Skyrim v1.6.640 to v.1.6.353.7z

7 hours ago, NismoMan said:

Which mods are you talking about?

I see a couple of Mods mostly for bath, that also works with followers. Of course I don't think they can do the same as PND but at least in part.

I don't remember the names so I can't find them.

Edited December 14, 2022 by OsmelMC

NismoMan · December 14, 2022

@OsmelMC Thanks a bunch for the conversion patch!

As for PND, do it on your pace man, you've been doing an amazing job so far with everything else so don't rush it, it's just that it's a pity we haven't had an update for so long but that's only because your patching is solid

In the mean time I'll try running CPU's MiniNeeds and maybe PNF after I settle on my loadorder/modlist to see which one is more stable.

Thanks again man!

*Talesien* · December 14, 2022

8 hours ago, OsmelMC said:

SLWidgets is too buggy for my taste and make my own Widget is very easy but is being years since I uninstalled the Flash from my PC and I misplace my setup key and don't accept any other key. I will try with my brothers PC.

Depending on what you want or need widget wise, did you take a look at iWant widgets (https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/36457)? Supposedly that works pretty well and it would save you from Flash. ^^

Edited December 14, 2022 by Talesien

Piiska · December 19, 2022

A bit confused on the ahegao stuff, hope someone can clear it up a bit to help me get it working correctly.

1. Do I need any other mods for it or is it all included and ready to go in the Utility Plus?

2. There are various expressions mods such as Expressive Facial Animation, Conditional Expressions and then SexLab Facial Expressions, for which LE version isn't even available anymore...) so should I only get one of those or which ones should I get?

3. There's a Open Mouth Mod version 1.7 by @Monoman1 for his SexLab Survival mod. Should I overwrite Utility Plus with his mod or vice versa?

Edited December 19, 2022 by Piiska

*OsmelMC* · December 19, 2022

6 hours ago, Piiska said:

A bit confused on the ahegao stuff, hope someone can clear it up a bit to help me get it working correctly.

1. Do I need any other mods for it or is it all included and ready to go in the Utility Plus?

2. There are various expressions mods such as Expressive Facial Animation, Conditional Expressions and then SexLab Facial Expressions, for which LE version isn't even available anymore...) so should I only get one of those or which ones should I get?

3. There's a Open Mouth Mod version 1.7 by @Monoman1 for his SexLab Survival mod. Should I overwrite Utility Plus with his mod or vice versa?

First and more important, nothing is allowed to overwrite the SLU+ files. Most of the patch, fixes or tweak's out there that matters are already included on the SLU+ scripts. I you find some Mod using the same script files than SLU+ and is not on the compatibility list, you can ask me for a patch and almost sure will be included on the next version. The monoman1 patch is already included on my scripts and is for his hotkeys to force the Open Mouth on the actors.

All the requirements for the Ahegao are included on the SLU+ setup file.

The Ahegao Expressions and all the options related comes disabled by default so you have to follow the instructions on the download page to enable the Ahegao.

The expressions Mods usually fight for the control of the expression on the actors and that means that are incompatible between them unless you get a patch or be already on the compatibility list of one of them.

The Conditional Expressions on LoversLab comes patched already for SexLab (at least say that on the description)

Any Mod compatible with SexLab is also compatible with SLU+ unless be overwriting the same script files.

If you are on LE you better remove any other SexLab fix because is already included on the SLU+ and have both can cause issues.

Edited December 19, 2022 by OsmelMC

sirgilly · December 22, 2022

Running on Skyrim SE with Utility plus and having done all of the work with SLATE, for some reason I cant seem to get the furniture system to ever trigger, it asks for beds but no furniture. I have the correct animations and tags. Is there a way I can provide information to get some assistance, would love to use it.

*OsmelMC* · December 23, 2022

3 hours ago, sirgilly said:

Running on Skyrim SE with Utility plus and having done all of the work with SLATE, for some reason I cant seem to get the furniture system to ever trigger, it asks for beds but no furniture. I have the correct animations and tags. Is there a way I can provide information to get some assistance, would love to use it.

The best in this case is send me the "Papyrus.0.log" with few tests near to furnitures.

But first try using the "Clean Animation CACHE" option of the SexLab MCM last page. Because once the the animations tags are modified the Animation CACHE have to be cleaned at least one time to update the changes and the only way right now is with the "Clean Animations CACHE" option.

*OsmelMC* · December 23, 2022

SexLab Aroused Creatures finally have a new update so i will make the CxC patch but will be on new year because I'm still trying to release the last SLU+ of the current year and I have too much to test.

SexLab Utility Plus will come with support for the Furnitures of Campfire, Sex Slaves, and probably some other but at this point I don't remember what else is new.

Also the new system that automatically hide the furniture objects that comes with the animations is finally working as intended so except for LE now you can install the animations with all and AnimObject's and everything will be fine.

I found that at least Skyrim SE have one problem with the "Dialogue Anger" mood on the expressions that cause a lot of errors on the scene and the expressions so the next default expressions on the new version will come that Mood changed into the "Mood Anger" that is almost the same and is free of errors for i know, so remove the JSON files of the expressions exported and "Reset Expressions Registry" will be a required step for the version update.

I'm being working on a texture overlay system for the SOS Pubic Hair's Addons that will allow you have pubic hair under the panties without clipping issues because is just a texture at the same time that will keep the 3D model of the hair while is naked. Is the optimal combination but my current texture's aren't the best for the work so probably end releasing the new version with my low quality texture's to release a texture patch later with high quality if i find them. Of course I will make the effort to release LE and SE/AE versions with all the most common BodySlide's. Apparently AE don't need my Pubic Hair's Color System because the RaceMenu right configured do that by itself without issues but I tried that on SE and is very buggy while on LE isn't possible.

I also did a lot of new tweaks for the Mods i use and I have to check which ones are good for release.

Edited December 23, 2022 by OsmelMC

sirgilly · December 23, 2022

1 hour ago, OsmelMC said:

The best in this case is send me the "Papyrus.0.log" with few tests near to furnitures.

But first try using the "Clean Animation CACHE" option of the SexLab MCM last page. Because once the the animations tags are modified the Animation CACHE have to be cleaned at least one time to update the changes and the only way right now is with the "Clean Animations CACHE" option.

Ah, I cleaned cache before adding tags, I suppose i need to clean the cache again now. Does it matter if I am a few saves on from adding the tags or does it need to be same game session?

*OsmelMC* · December 23, 2022

59 minutes ago, sirgilly said:

Ah, I cleaned cache before adding tags, I suppose i need to clean the cache again now. Does it matter if I am a few saves on from adding the tags or does it need to be same game session?

Is almost useless before change the tags. Should be after change the tags and not matter if is few seconds or many years after that.

sirgilly · December 23, 2022

18 hours ago, OsmelMC said:

Is almost useless before change the tags. Should be after change the tags and not matter if is few seconds or many years after that.

Alas it didn't work out for me, i tried after cache and its not working, copied relevant portion of papyrus from initiated sex scene using SLEN, have all requirements and all furnitures checked:

Spoiler

*OsmelMC* · December 24, 2022

2 hours ago, sirgilly said:

Alas it didn't work out for me, i tried after cache and its not working, copied relevant portion of papyrus from initiated sex scene using SLEN, have all requirements and all furnitures checked:

I ask for the log file because between other reasons is hard for me read the log on the web page with my phone.

The first i noticed is the use of SLEN to start the scene. SLEN can start some furniture scenes but most of it's dialogues exclude the Furnitures from the scene and that is the case. My SLU+ don't force furniture animations to preserve the immersion of the mod used to start the scene, so you have to start scenes for Furnitures like the SLEN scene for Thrones, or or scenes without restrictions like the "Whatever you like" scene of SLEN.

Better start testing the furnitures with the SexLab Debug Spells of my SLU+ or spells of the "SexLab MatshMakes" that in both cases start scenes without restrictions.

sirgilly · December 24, 2022

47 minutes ago, OsmelMC said:

I ask for the log file because between other reasons is hard for me read the log on the web page with my phone.

The first i noticed is the use of SLEN to start the scene. SLEN can start some furniture scenes but most of it's dialogues exclude the Furnitures from the scene and that is the case. My SLU+ don't force furniture animations to preserve the immersion of the mod used to start the scene, so you have to start scenes for Furnitures like the SLEN scene for Thrones, or or scenes without restrictions like the "Whatever you like" scene of SLEN.

Better start testing the furnitures with the SexLab Debug Spells of my SLU+ or spells of the "SexLab MatshMakes" that in both cases start scenes without restrictions.

Sorry about that. In this case it was actually the SLEN whatever you like. I didn't send the whole log because a widget mod I found was creating log spam and filling everything so I actually filtered it out. I need to remove it.

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