MXR covering LL mods

[DarksideTinkerbell]

9 hours ago, Asrienda said:

MXR was in no way family safe before his latest LL-themed video. His entire schtick is modding Bethesda games for big boobs.

You are right on that, but, for some reason most of the Dumbass parents would consider that ok, boobs are boobs would be the thought, but sex?!? BDSM?!? Kink?!? no.

 

Think of it like a guy that is homophobic totally out-spoken about same-sex sex/relationships but for some reason Lesbian sex is ok? Yet technically its same-sex/homosexual behavior? A contradiction I would say, or is it "a rule for some not for others"?

[KoolHndLuke]

10 hours ago, Kendo 2 said:

People from Nexus flooded LL and sucked the fun right out of the site with their all-inclusive PC Nexus bullshit

There's that schism mentioned earlier. But, maybe it's better if it exists since I don't want to see LL become any more like nexus. From my experience, it is the members in the comm here on LL that stand at the portal and try to "dissuade" any undesirables like those that are too PC. It is up to the moderators how one goes about that in the forums, though. 

 

Beyond that, no one here save for @Ashal gets to choose who becomes new members regardless of what their mindset or affiliations are. I say it's a step in the right direction to have as large and diverse a user base as possible given the nature of most content on offer here. If MxR wants to review LL mods, then I think it should be encouraged. New members don't have to like everything on offer here, but, they sure as hell have to accept it.

 

More FUCKING in GAMES!!!! YEAH!! 

[27X]

On 10/24/2018 at 2:34 AM, Jazzman said:

At least he was confident enough to expose us 'suspect ones' to those that run the show on the Internet and were capable to turn the whole gaming system by and large from open-minded to prude within just a year...

 As stated, he had LL mods installed since his first year of youtubing, no secret regardless of his intent. Context is always king, and the context is over half his audience doesn't and has never had Skyrim. He uses 4chanisms for a reason.

 

Skyrim youtubing has never had a unbiased competent reviewer that understands what goes on under the hood, and that includes Gopher, half of whose mods don't even work right anymore, and he hasn't done shit to update them, even with the existing knowledgebase being there to very simply fix his issues, and was more than content to review mods he never had any intention of inserting into his load order for about 90% of his video content. You watch his Let's Plays and they consist of about 15-20 mods, and in his Richard or William or the fuckevername the Librarian there's literally five cells he can't enter because of his load order and  he just ignores them as if they don't exist instead of fixing the problem.

 

Brodual does this even more of this than Gopher did, and every time they review a mod it's from a ten mod save or a new save if they can't get it to play nice, and then invariably they tell you how amazing this mod is and that/if should go in your load order after they ran it in complete isolation for three to five hours. You have no clue whether any of the mods they've reviewed will fuck your shit or not and neither do 'they.' The one guy that reviews sex mods on youtube is MxR+10000, and nary a peep from you on his demeanor or content, so maybe your surmised premise needs more research.

 

There was no change in Nexus politics or prudery, you could get banned for mentioning israel but not mentioning palestine since day one, you could get banned for mentioning genitals without having a Kool Kids Klub badge but upvoted and highlighted for posting pictures of them since day one, day one being not named the nexus; they just dropped all pretense of objectivity once the money turned from red to black. Your rose tinted spectacles probably need some wiping off. Politics of any kind is generally a sum negative, and as for adult sites there are three with registration in excess of 10K accounts and daily actively posted content, much less the tumblr blog circle jerk ring which is where most the actual adult assets reside; LL's main purview is code by and large, the things that code uses isn't posted here as the main dl venue, and paid modding is actively ensuring that won't the case tomorrow or the day after that either.

 

Speaking of context, GTX is freely posting here despite what he does being an active and ongoing detriment to the modding community with at least four people actively quitting skyrim modding over his bullshit, so again maybe your premise isn't as ironclad as you purport it to be, because it's pretty much devoid of any context except political. 'I like the politics here' doesn't speak to actual objective content, and as we can see from WolfFire/Hongfire/gamevixen

 

Whether you like or dislike MxR has very little to do with your (your meaning any modder) own content or the presentation of that content is quite literally out of your grasp once you commit to public availability, positive or negative.

 

Also to be mad at MxR five years after the fact for doing what he's done twice a month since then is pretty pointless.

[steelpanther24]

11 hours ago, Kendo 2 said:

 

Anyway, femNazis and other social justice stooges would have to go out of their way to make accounts and then post here to TRY and influence anything.  The resulting shitshow would blow up in their faces.  At least that pointless 'no drama' would actually serve its intended purpose.

 

The professional offended people already covered LL, naming it a misogynistic stronghold and a "concern" for free thinking people everywhere (the discussion thread is somewhere on LL).   I just hope that people will com to see what the site is about before judging it.....says the guy who has eschewed almost all social media.    Isn't that the whole idea of the internet, instant knowledge at our finger tips???  I mean look at all those great BBS and MUDs!!!  How can this turn out bad???  Oh wait, time for my meds...brb.

 

On a side note, it was that article that made me a supporter.   Now I just gotta start donating to the many great modders that I endorse here. 

[East542]

I don't get why people are getting pissy about Mxr's video. He did not say anything bad about LL, he did not insult anyone on LL website, all he is doing is making content he is a entertainer his job is to keep people amused. He did not paint LL in a negative way anyone who watched the video knows this.

 

What is the harm in him making videos, it will help lesser well known mods get some attention and more downloads. Basically free advertising.

 

And for the record he is not the first youtuber to do videos on LL just search Skyrim LL on youtube several youtubers have made videos on this website. I don't see the harm in Mxr making videos about LL, he is not doing anything that would have negative impact on this place so I say let him do his videos. Its just a man making videos to entertain people nothing wrong with that.

[GrimReaper]

There's quite a few websites without any sort of regular regulation. Ulmf, Hongfire, gamevixen or whatever it's called nowadays and obviously 4chan, to name a few. LoversLab is far from being the only site where you can express yourself (somewhat) freely, there have been some restrictions added over the time, though. When the first elaborate sex mod thing started for Oblivion, it was anonymous japanese modders who did it first with the xLovers mods. Nexus mostly forbid the hosting of japanese mods because some japanese modders complained about nexus users uploading their stuff without permission back then, so a general ban on japanese mods was issued. Translation of said mods then happened mostly back at wolflore, until a change in ownership of the site resulted in a ban of all non-vanilla sex stuff. Then came the exodus to Hongfire and ultimately, LoversLab was founded. Back then there weren't many rules, the community was small but very active.

 

I'd say the reason the nexus forbid linking or talking about LL for the longest time was simply because the lack of rules. Mods were uploaded and translated without permission, ripping assets out of video games was rampant, even whole games were pirated. That was also the reason some modders called LL a 'thieves den' IIRC, and that stigma stuck with LL long after the rules were updated regarding uploading pirated content. Now that LL works more like a 'proper' website even the nexus has no problems anymore with LL and it can be freely mentioned and linked to there. I remember AlienSlof not really liking folks using her meshes as the default for male nudity here.

 

If anything, growth is always a problem. It leads to more exposure, more people who don't agree with what's happening on a given site and so on. The question is always, do you adhere to your original vision or do you embrace the mainstream, possibly alienating the audience that made you big in the first place? The answer is where the money is, as always. Be that as it may, it's much easier to have a small group of people behave nicely, so even if you stick to your principles, you'll have to adapt once any given population exceeds a certain threshold. But as I said, LL is already mainstream, the 'damage' has been done a long time ago. MxR won't change that one way or the other. Especially because his fanbase isn't on the serious side of things, they watch him to have a good laugh, not to get any recommendation on what mods to use in their own game.

[Jazzman]

9 hours ago, 27X said:

 
There was no change in Nexus politics or prudery,

Why are you selling false information here? What's in it for you, hmm? Tell me. Unbelievable, reminds of WMDs in Iraq.

The U-turn happened in summer 2008 per decree. We could go into the details of that change quite easily, if we must.

I was around when that operation started. So please don't question my long-term memory. Bad mistake...

[goldust]

i seen it..and all of the comments were good..and i love MXR but we all know he has been here more then once ❤️

[GrimReaper]

What happened back in 2008? The only things I remember are the ban of nudity in the image section and the ban of japanese mods unless the uploader was also the author of the mod in question and that's about it, I think. I mean, Estrus for Oblivion was uploaded on the nexus at the end of 2009 and is still there. There's also a translation for Sexlivion from 2008 and one for sexdarkness from 2009 still up and running.

[Jazzman]

1 hour ago, GrimReaper said:

What happened back in 2008? The only things I remember are the ban of nudity in the image section and the ban of japanese mods unless the uploader was also the author of the mod in question and that's about it, I think. I mean, Estrus for Oblivion was uploaded on the nexus at the end of 2009 and is still there. There's also a translation for Sexlivion from 2008 and one for sexdarkness from 2009 still up and running.

Next to the innovative ban of nudity in the popular SS section (there was indeed a flood), a certain brand of politics got introduced and to enforce that creepy stuff the staff got immunized against all criticism, to be answered with an often instant ban (triple strike). From that moment on the site became heavily politicized (an absolute novum in the gamer scene) and finally kinda totalitarian, one might say. Took them two years to accomplish the mission introduced by "my new friends (who) don't like a few things here that must be changed immediately". Hard to say how many resisting accounts got deactivated in those years, some say half a million or more. In any case it was a fuckin' great many and only a few of them were classical trolls. I lost 90% of the folks in my FL within the first 18 months after the U-turn, nice people btw. That's really sad.

 

Since the "new friends" quite obviously had a distinct political agenda with prudery on its banner they intended to graft on the gamer site (to control. or at least, reeducate the youth, I guess) there were just two candidates available as investors or sponsors - the new servers in the US used since winter 2007/2008 or, more likely, the advertisers (unseen before) that play a decisive role in backing the finances of the site since spring 2008 when the diversification of the offered game palette began. The latter could explain why certain traffic intense (!) sex mods are still up and running. Follow the money, it's so funny.

 

But it's okay for history already. What I don't like tho are blatant lies in the face of a contemporary witness. You (I don't mean you) cannot whitewash the past or rewrite it for long before you get caught. What you can and should is to get over it and move on, trying to avoid the mistakes made in the past, especially the own mistakes. Never thought that I'd talk about that moment in history ever again. Guess it's b/c I'm only human after all. Don't put the blame on me...

[Kendo 2]

Nexus and Dark0ne are awesome. XD

[KoolHndLuke]

1 hour ago, Jazzman said:

From that moment on the site became heavily politicized (an absolute novum in the gamer scene) and finally kinda totalitarian

Dead on there. I like to stir the pot once in awhile to see what will happen and maybe get some people to start questioning policy. But, no. They say nothing because they don't want to get banned. I stopped doing anything over there a few months back in disgust. Games or mods should never be politicized!!!!! Completely detrimental BS for most people just looking to mod their games and have fun within a community- like me.

 

If MxR wants to do something meaningful, then he should address this as a serious issue. They host the majority of mods there for games and no one should pretend that their policies towards users- and especially authors- don't matter.

[GrimReaper]

1 hour ago, Jazzman said:

Next to the innovative ban of nudity in the popular SS section (there was indeed a flood), a certain brand of politics got introduced and to enforce that creepy stuff the staff got immunized against all criticism, to be answered with an often instant ban (triple strike). From that moment on the site became heavily politicized (an absolute novum in the gamer scene) and finally kinda totalitarian, one might say. Took them two years to accomplish the mission introduced by "my new friends (who) don't like a few things here that must be changed immediately". Hard to say how many resisting accounts got deactivated in those years, some say half a million or more. In any case it was a fuckin' great many and only a few of them were classical trolls. I lost 90% of the folks in my FL within the first 18 months after the U-turn, nice people btw. That's really sad.

 

Since the "new friends" quite obviously had a distinct political agenda with prudery on its banner they intended to graft on the gamer site (to control. or at least, reeducate the youth, I guess) there were just two candidates available as investors or sponsors - the new servers in the US used since winter 2007/2008 or, more likely, the advertisers (unseen before) that play a decisive role in backing the finances of the site since spring 2008 when the diversification of the offered game palette began. The latter could explain why certain traffic intense (!) sex mods are still up and running. Follow the money, it's so funny.

 

But it's okay for history already. What I don't like tho are blatant lies in the face of a contemporary witness. You (I don't mean you) cannot whitewash the past or rewrite it for long before you get caught. What you can and should is to get over it and move on, trying to avoid the mistakes made in the past, especially the own mistakes. Never thought that I'd talk about that moment in history ever again. Guess it's b/c I'm only human after all. Don't put the blame on me...

I was only ever interested in the mods hosted there and wasn't part of the community over at the nexus, so I guess I can't really comment on the change of tone that happened there. If the purge was aimed at giving the nexus a more prude, family friendly, professional or whatever you want to call it image, then it only went as far as the surface because mods with explicit content are still featured there - probably they did as much as necessary to appease the advertisers and nothing more, at least as far as the content goes. The whole problem with keeping a site running on ads is something that affects LL as well, given that there are only the low-security, malware-infested porn advertisers that are willing to cooperate with adult only websites. There's some additional support coming in via patreon, which might also explain the reluctancy to update certain rules lest you might alienate the people who decided it's a worthwile endeavour to keep the site up and running. But that's speculation, of course.

 

At least steam did the gaming community a good one by allowing everything that isn't blatantly illegal, now. But the not so well situated have to obey the rules, or stay so small they can fly under the radar.

[Jazzman]

5 hours ago, GrimReaper said:

I was only ever interested in the mods hosted there and wasn't part of the community over at the nexus, so I guess I can't really comment on the change of tone that happened there. If the purge was aimed at giving the nexus a more prude, family friendly, professional or whatever you want to call it image, then it only went as far as the surface because mods with explicit content are still featured there - probably they did as much as necessary to appease the advertisers and nothing more, at least as far as the content goes. The whole problem with keeping a site running on ads is something that affects LL as well, given that there are only the low-security, malware-infested porn advertisers that are willing to cooperate with adult only websites. There's some additional support coming in via patreon, which might also explain the reluctancy to update certain rules lest you might alienate the people who decided it's a worthwile endeavour to keep the site up and running. But that's speculation, of course.

 

At least steam did the gaming community a good one by allowing everything that isn't blatantly illegal, now. But the not so well situated have to obey the rules, or stay so small they can fly under the radar.

Well, I doubt that the introduced Neocon philosophy (to call the baby by its name) would be particularly family friendly to common man's family... inasmuch as we had already loudly called for a massive nude flood reduction by using spoilers in case of multiple nude shots (that's what I'm still calling for on LL to avoid unnecessary loading times, in vain) and there were often a dozen or two in a row posted by members which made it almost impossible to find the own scenic shot after a single hour with the obvious result - almost no views. There was thus no need to play tabula rasa with all of us, at least not from the logical point of view. But since when has politics ever had something to do with logic?

 

With the role of advertisements we have finally reached a consensus. They are all-important to gain financial stability of the site, money is required not to go down the highway, always. However, that's hardly an excuse to make a pact in Faustian fashion, to sell the own soul to Mephistopheles just to keep the site up and running at the price of the loss of independence. In case of an emergency I'd more likely call for a cheap entrance fee for members, either one-time or on annual base before I'd ever play chess with the Devil... a match one cannot win, one that not only changes the site but the site-owner as well, followed by the staff and the common member behavior, a fuckin' chain-reaction, a violent one.

 

Thanks for the debate, guys. My old battle scars start itching... that's no good sign.

[SolidVault]

On 10/21/2018 at 11:48 PM, 27X said:

Clickbait much

 

MxR has LL mods from his first year of reviewing, his preset is of a preset released here.

 

As usual, histrionic screeching and much ado about nothing.

 

You don't get to decide what venues your mod is put in light of. You release it to the public, it's literally fair game for criticism. Once the cake is baked and put on the shelf you don't get to eat all of it, so your choices are shelf + perusal and use, no shelf and limited distribution and then perusal and whining about who stole what and how you own pictures of your mod and all the other whiney screeching via Ixum and Vector Plexus about imaginary non real ownership of refactored assets wholly belonging to someone else before you ever laid eyes on them, much less committed a single line of code or reference point in 3d space or not putting it on the shelf at all.

 

Even if your mod is 100% original assets and content, which is  literally impossible because you're factoring for a released commercial venue and platform, once it's in the public space your "rights" are of authorship and ownership and nothing else. You don't get to decide what someone else's opinion of your content is or how that opinion is expressed even if it's exclusive to a distribution venue you maintain yourself.

Where is his preset that he uses? link me to it

[mangalo]

I've discovered MxR maybe three years ago.  At that time, I could share his enthusiasm for Skyrim and his showcase were useful for a beginner like me.  However with the demonetization on youtube, I feel like he lost that interest for the game as his work was continuously flagged as nsfw.  Then came the clickbait titles and recycled jokes, his last video isn't that different from the rest.  If he wanted to do an honest video on Loverslab he wouldn't have chosen those mods and would have gone the Shinji way.

 

Being triggered over this video is useless, the guy is just trying new things for views.

[winny257]

17 minutes ago, Jazzman said:

Thanks for the debate, guys. My old battle scars start itching... that's no good sign.

Jazzman as long as it is not an open wound (I hope you know what I mean) it is not a problem. 
you just have to scratch a bit, at an open wound is the problematic differently. 

[winny257]

23 minutes ago, mangalo said:

I've discovered MxR maybe three years ago.  At that time, I could share his enthusiasm for Skyrim and his showcase were useful for a beginner like me.  However with the demonetization on youtube, I feel like he lost that interest for the game as his work was continuously flagged as nsfw.  Then came the clickbait titles and recycled jokes, his last video isn't that different from the rest.  If he wanted to do an honest video on Loverslab he wouldn't have chosen those mods and would have gone the Shinji way.

 

Being triggered over this video is useless, the guy is just trying new things for views.

Media can do a great deal of damage, ever heard of cyberbullying?
Incidentally, this is a criminal offense in Germany!

 

someone publishes a negative video about a game, shortly thereafter, a shit storm begins over that game.
it goes so far that many do not buy this game anymore and game developers go bankrupt, that all only through a video! 

[mangalo]

26 minutes ago, winny257 said:

Media can do a great deal of damage, ever heard of cyberbullying?
Incidentally, this is a criminal offense in Germany!

 

someone publishes a negative video about a game, shortly thereafter, a shit storm begins over that game.
it goes so far that many do not buy this game anymore and game developers go bankrupt, that all only through a video! 

That's another debate and I don't want to derail this thread.  There will always be extreme arguments in favor or against something.  I think it's MxR right to say anything he wants about the game or Loverslab, but that's my opinion.

[Kendo 2]

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[Guest]

20 minutes ago, Kendo 2 said:

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No u

[Kendo 2]

1 minute ago, asenasen said:

No u

Wrong site.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Kendo 2 said:

Wrong site.

Nah Im in the right site and thread to mess with an old friend. I don't even care about MxR ❤️

[Kendo 2]

4 minutes ago, asenasen said:

I don't even care about MxR ❤️

Me neither.  I'm just pretending to be nice.

[Reginald_001]

30 minutes ago, Kendo 2 said:

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If you lost interest in this thread don't visit it. I think the entire discussion is pretty interesting and I'm reading it both enlightened and entertained.

So please speak for yourself, thanks.