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DWF is not going anywhere. It's just temporarily unavailable to the general public.

 

Long story short: dewguru and I got into a little fight over mod ownership and supposed paywalling. This fight involved the LL admin. Now, to ensure that DWF and all code within is completely, 100% my original work, I am scrubbing all references to dewguru's work in DWF and replacing the missing content with my own original code.

 

Just be patient, yo. It'll be back soon.

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2 hours ago, lockeslylcrit said:

DWF is not going anywhere. It's just temporarily unavailable to the general public.

 

Long story short: dewguru and I got into a little fight over mod ownership and supposed paywalling. This fight involved the LL admin. Now, to ensure that DWF and all code within is completely, 100% my original work, I am scrubbing all references to dewguru's work in DWF and replacing the missing content with my own original code.

 

Just be patient, yo. It'll be back soon.

You banned Dewguru from your discord. You are adding paywalled features to your mod that noone has asked for; and people who object to paid mods/features have no way of turning this off per your earlier posts. When people have brought this up in your discord they also have gotten banned. This is a shitshow.

 

CK2 is getting its own modschism. Dew is now updating his own mod again because of your actions.

I know all of this because i have spoken to dew and got his side of the story. I feel everyone in this thread deserves to know what has happened here.

 

Shoutout to Cheri who was white-knighting you and your shitty actions on your discord.

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6 minutes ago, AvAcyn said:

You banned Dewguru from your discord.

Partially correct. He is no longer welcome there. However, I wasn't the one who banned him.

 

6 minutes ago, AvAcyn said:

You are adding paywalled features to your mod that noone has asked for;

There's a difference between a paywall and giving a bonus to those who support me. If I wrote an event chain and made it so only subscribers can access it, then that would be no bueno, as per LL rules. That's paywalling. This isn't.

 

7 minutes ago, AvAcyn said:

When people have brought this up in your discord they also have gotten banned.

Only you, and again, it wasn't by me. Since the message logs were deleted, I have no idea what you said.

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14 minutes ago, lockeslylcrit said:

Partially correct. He is no longer welcome there. However, I wasn't the one who banned him.

 

There's a difference between a paywall and giving a bonus to those who support me. If I wrote an event chain and made it so only subscribers can access it, then that would be no bueno, as per LL rules. That's paywalling. This isn't.

 

Only you, and again, it wasn't by me. Since the message logs were deleted, I have no idea what you said.

What does it matter if it wasn't you personally who banned the ORIGINAL creator of darkworld from your PERSONAL discord. You are responsible for what happens there.

 

If it was a bonus feature like you mentioned; You would've made this standalone or optional in the settings. Also this isnt "a reward to your users"; you are selling these things on your subscribestar (patreon-clone)

 

And if you are wondering why I as a person got banned: it's for voicing exactly this in your discord.

 

What's wrong with a donation link? What's wrong with making these new features optional for those who think that paid mods/features/rewards are unethical, Or for people that are not interested by user commisioned characters....

 

It's the principle and integrity that counts here. And you have failed on both.

 

I will be going back to Dew's darkworld once it's updated and i hope i'll bring some like minded folk with me. 

 

Also if your personal-life is in such troubled waters at the moment, Maybe you should be thinking of fixing that first instead of relying on your hobby and passion to do it for you....

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6 minutes ago, AvAcyn said:

What does it matter if it wasn't you personally who banned the ORIGINAL creator of darkworld from your PERSONAL discord. You are responsible for what happens there.

 

If it was a bonus feature like you mentioned; You would've made this standalone or optional in the settings. Also this isnt "a reward to your users"; you are selling these things on your subscribestar (patreon-clone)

 

And if you are wondering why I as a person got banned: it's for voicing exactly this in your discord.

 

What's wrong with a donation link? What's wrong with making these new features optional for those who think that paid mods/features/rewards are unethical. Or just are not interested by user commisioned characters....

 

It's the principle and integrity that counts here. And you have failed on both.

 

I will be going back to Dew's darkworld once it's updated and i hope i'll bring some like minded folk with me. 

 

Also if your personal-life is in such troubled waters at the moment, Maybe you should be thinking of fixing that first instead of relying on your hobby and passion to do it for you....

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2 hours ago, AvAcyn said:

If it was a bonus feature like you mentioned; You would've made this standalone or optional in the settings. Also this isnt "a reward to your users"; you are selling these things on your subscribestar (patreon-clone)

It's commissioned work, not pay walling or whatever you call it. Give me money, I do the work then publish it publicly. Happens for other project here on LL, and for nearly all other kind of work you can think of. As a matter of fact, all popular opensource software are commissioned work: people wouldn't work of them if they weren't paid. Nearly everything you use has been paid for in a way or another.

 

Here, nobody ask you or anybody to pay for DW:F. You can download it and enjoy it. You will be able to do so in the future as well. The mod will remain free, and the commissioned content will also be distributed without charge.

 

2 hours ago, lockeslylcrit said:

Only you, and again, it wasn't by me. Since the message logs were deleted, I have no idea what you said.

Which is why you and your team need to keep a moderation log. We only have your word here, and as much as I want to trust you it isn't enough by itself. Luckily the ranting lunatic subject to the ban does show a peculiar bias toward being an unreasonable little pest.

 

I would have liked dewguru's messages to be kept though, if he did engage publicly, because those are valuable. However per your past messages, I assume it was done privately and under arbitration.

 

The end result is, from my point of view, beneficial for DW:F. More work, sure, but without ties and now 100% OC.

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I thought some thing is weird so gone into support to check. I get the gist of it and while it is not my place to comment on anything, it would be nice if you put some kind of official notice in the 1st post and the main mod page cause to reduce the number of people asking what happen to all the files. Cheers  

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6 hours ago, bicobus said:

I would have liked dewguru's messages to be kept though, if he did engage publicly, because those are valuable. However per your past messages, I assume it was done privately and under arbitration.

 

If my messages aren't there, it isn't a big. I posted that I wasn't pleased with having content for money (not the same as a paywall, I never said paywall), being associated with Dark World. Lockeslylcrit said she had permission, and I disagreed.

 

From there, it's like you said, pretty much all done under arbitration.

 

I'm not sweating my being banned from the discord, it is after all a personal support/chat platform.

 

I don't know what's being said exactly about me of course now on the discord, but I've lived long enough to not really care about something like that. I will however, share my side when asked by anyone. I don't think these threads are the spot for it though, so let's keep things civil please.

 

I don't want to see anyone getting in trouble for supporting my view, and I'm going to guess that Lockeslylcrit feels similar about those that support her.

 

I consider the issue closed/resolved. I would like to ask that folks don't harass Lockeslylcrit or myself about the topic.

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1 hour ago, dewguru said:

If my messages aren't there, it isn't a big. I posted that I wasn't pleased with having content for money (not the same as a paywall, I never said paywall), being associated with Dark World. Lockeslylcrit said she had permission, and I disagreed.

If I weren't clear on the topic of "paywalling", it was as an answer to the other dude yelling bloody murder. I was in no mean trying to misrepresent your position, as nobody could argue in good faith that @lockeslylcrit system is a paywall.

 

About which I don't really get your position either. Nothing stops anybody from taking commissioned work for the purpose of making a free CK2 mod with ties to DW:Reborn. I mean, you use your free time to do modding related work which implies that your are in a comfortable position enough to allow yourself that leisure. So, you're paying so that we can enjoy your work (somebody has to support the modder, if not himself/herself). Anyhow the contentious is probably one of those weird thing about the modding community at large and also a question of personal philosophy. Not that I care strongly about the subject, I just find it curious.

 

As for the permission thing it was about patreon matters in relation to LL, and not related to your approval nor your mod. Asked on LL's discord in order to understand which practices are acceptable on LL. The backlog is still there if you want to read it, it's pretty short.

 

1 hour ago, dewguru said:

I don't know what's being said exactly about me of course now on the discord, but I've lived long enough to not really care about something like that.

Nothing, really. And if there was anything negative said, it got purged and rightfully so. People just want to play the game without all the drama.

 

Anyhow, glad to see you have a new release planned :)

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I remember there was a "Visit Slave decision" that allows you to visit any pleasure slave that you did not send to the brothel in the 'Dark World - Serpent Expansion" mod, however i can't  find this decision with DWF, or should i install some optional module to enable this decision?

 

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8 hours ago, dewguru said:

I consider the issue closed/resolved. I would like to ask that folks don't harass Lockeslylcrit or myself about the topic.

THIS.

 

Mistakes were made and are being fixed as we speak, the issue is done as far as I'm concerned. Everyone just needs to sit down, be patient while DWF is being overhauled, and have a beer or play some games. This is not a war, I harbor no ill will toward dewguru, and anyone who wants to stir up drama will have a nice little chat with LL staff about harassment.

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That being said, here is a list of things being planned:

 

Classic Monsters: Removal of everything vampire/werewolf related. Desmona and the random vampire attacks will be put into Core rather than being an optional module. I've rewritten the attacks like three times since Holy Fury's release, and with the exception of localisation and minor options (which will be changed), there's very little original code left in the fight. Desmona will have changed localisation. Ghosts will be moved to Core, with no changes. I may come back and look over vampires/werewolves in the future, but I'm not interested in them and never have been.

 

Heaven & Hell: The Society of Lilith will remain but under a new name. The Satanism-based quests from DWR were changed over to seduction-based quests when the society was first overhauled, so nothing needs to change there. Demonic powers will be renamed/changed. Kiss of Seduction will be renamed, but it's a copy of the vanilla seduction event chain with my own additions, thus little needs to be changed about it. The Blood Moon Festival will be removed and changed to something more appropriate for the endgame Society power.

 

Fae/Far East: Already overhauled. Other than the traits, trait icons, and localisation, there was nothing I needed to change.

 

DWSE: No overhaul needed. DWSE is owned entirely by zia, and I've been given full permission to do with the mod as I please.

 

Dicks & Tits: Still waffling over whether I should keep this module or not. Breast trait icons have long since been changed, but not the penis traits. Dick/tit lover traits are entirely my creation, as are knotted/barbed cocks. Size assignment in the scripted_effects have long since been overhauled.

 

Fairy Tales: Gone. I never cared for this content, but plans for another easy way to get rid of Stressed is planned.

 

Magic: An unreleased module I've been working on since July. I'm likely going to scrap this as there are plenty of (unintentional) idea overlapping with dewguru's magic system in Heroes & Villains. The basic gist of Magic was that you could choose a school specialization (White, Black, Green, Red) instead of being a generic mage. White mage focuses on healing, black focuses on necromancy and disease, red focuses on HUGE FUCKING FIREBALLS, and green magic focuses on enchantment and mind control. Specialists can only use spells from their chosen school but with a much higher mana pool, while generic mages can do low level spells of any school with a lower mana pool. Specialists can also counterspell the attempts of their opposite school's casters (White<>Black, Green<>Red) and, rarely, people will be born with Magically Stunted, which prevents them from being a mage but also makes them highly resistant/immune to magic. Elves, fairies, drow, half elves, vampires, and kitsunes all have a naturally higher mana pool than other races.

 

Core: The big one.

-The Bordello Improvement event chain will be removed and changed up. The NPCs you get from it have already been changed from their popculture counterparts, so no changes needed there with the exception of localisation.

-Whoring will change as well but not the trait icons (those are from nadamod).

-The Wizard Tower has already been changed, no overhaul needed, but the Mage trait icon will need to go. Hermione and company will also be removed. Sorcey will likely be changed to someone else or removed entirely.

-Shopping will be overhauled, but the Serpent's Kiss Potion will remain as it was overhauled as the very first change in Dark World Tweaks, and has since changed to remove_pregnancy effect after Holy Fury's release.

-Motivate Chancellor/Tribal Steward/Priest will either be outright removed or changed up in a way that's it's more simple (note that while Tribal Steward and Priest are my creations, they are copy-pasted from Chancellor).

-The narrative_event gui is from Bigger Events with a load of edits, so it's not getting changed.

-Spend Time With will have no changes at all with the exception of renaming it. This was already overhauled in DWF 2.4.

-Futa and Mage will remain, but their trait icons will be changed. Feminine, Masculine, Secret Slut, Breeder, Switch, Dominant, Submissive, and Insatiable are entirely my creations. 

-Slavery will be overhauled, likely simplified. The selling of slaves has already been overhauled and no changes will be needed there.

-The Ultima 8 Virtues system and the gypsy are entirely my creations, as is the FFXIV Astrologian. No changes.

-Autobuild is going to be removed. While it's entirely my creation, it's pretty fucking dumb and I'd rather not overhaul it again when I add in new buildings.

-Buildings will be changed so that there are no longer multiple levels.

-The current magic system is entirely my creation. No changes.

-Crown laws will be removed. Who uses them anyway?

-DWR-specific artifacts will be replaced with something else, or removed entirely. Haven't decided yet.

 

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Just got sucked back into CK2 after a long a hiatus and after playing for a while with a Cambion Sigurd Ring I notice something: his wife popped out two baby Alu-Fiends, but toddler Ragnar is still human. Is he going to become a half-demon upon adulthood or do I need to use a console command?

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11 minutes ago, AlexWyrmin said:

Just got sucked back into CK2 after a long a hiatus and after playing for a while with a Cambion Sigurd Ring I notice something: his wife popped out two baby Alu-Fiends, but toddler Ragnar is still human. Is he going to become a half-demon upon adulthood or do I need to use a console command?

Is your wife human or another race, or is she an alu-fiend/succubus?

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