sse Paradise Halls Enhanced (pahe) Special Edition with the customary addons

[CliftonJD]

14 hours ago, Martok73 said:

Hang on, I'm talking about Babette here, are you saying you made her enslaveable?

more accurately that nothing was ever done to prevent her from being enslaved

14 hours ago, Martok73 said:

I'm uhm, yeah, uh no I haven't tried enslaving her as I honestly thought that since the game has her tagged as a child that is was a no no. I mean I've seen the options on children before to enslave via sleeping or knocked down but I honestly did not think that it would actually work because the general vibes I get on other parts of this site is that children are off limits. So I had no idea I could actually enslave Babette... Which I mean is great cause like I said in my mini rant she's not really a child she's 300yrs old, she only looks like a child so I'm perfectly fine with seeing what happens when she's enslaved.

pahe doesn't allow sex with children per the guidelines of the site, but it was argued that slavery should still be ok, so we kept it this way

14 hours ago, Martok73 said:

21 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

that sounds like something went wrong during enslavement

So far I've reset her twice and now have re-cloned her twice, and she still will still refuse to talk to me causing her dialog window to not appear at all and I literally have to hit E on her like 3 or four times in a row to "bypass" this and get her dialog to popup. Once the dialog window does appear it has all of her slave dialog and none of her TG dialog options, it's just a pita to get the window to show having to "activate/click/press e" several times in a quick succession to get it to work.

ok, thought you meant the dialogue was working and only failed under certain conditions. if she keeps asking to speak with bryholf, you've been spotted killing her and are getting the quest to restore your status with the guild...i'll have to look into patching that dialogue for slaves, add that to my list

14 hours ago, Martok73 said:

What do you mean by "factions that get cleaned"? I'm confused.

during enslavement some factions are cleaned using the generic clean all faction command

14 hours ago, Martok73 said:

Does this mean I will finally be able to fire all of my hookers one at a time now?

should be

13 hours ago, trgdolors said:

Sorry if this has already been answered:

 

About how many NPCs can be placed comfortably in one cell using this mod, and have this mod still work decently?

 

Thanks!

that's not really something this mod can say directly, its all based on your performance of your pc and your mod list. some of us can handle 20 to 30 slaves in the room while others may have a beastly gaming computer that won't even break a sweat with all slaves in the area

 

 

[CliftonJD]

6 hours ago, RavinBeast said:

@CliftonJD Would You Be Willing To Start Uploading A Text Document With A List Of Current NPCs In The Unique NPC Enslavement Speech List To Main Download Page? Also Would It Possible To Add Vigilant Tyranus From The Markarth Molag Bal Quest To The List?

ok

33 minutes ago, Pfiffy said:

I have a working version: 

 

AIBB_TIF__050316DF.pex 39.23 kB · 0 downloads SexLab TDF Aggressive Prostitution.esp 960.85 kB · 0 downloads AIBB_TIF__050316DF.psc 46.81 kB · 0 downloads

 

 

I was able to fire a free Hooker... have to test it on my Inn Hookers when they have arrived in Riverwood and check it after the Free hookers had made some money. It seems to me, like the colleting script is missing the entries for Ravenrock... The option for moving slaves back to Pahe is missing, because I still get errors with it, but at least this is the way it has to look like. 

lol i guess i should have sent you my rough draft of it last nite before i took a break from it. i managed to script all but the free hookers last nite so that would have given you the concept of what's needed for the rest

 

 

[Pfiffy]

1 hour ago, CliftonJD said:

 

lol i guess i should have sent you my rough draft of it last nite before i took a break from it. i managed to script all but the free hookers last nite so that would have given you the concept of what's needed for the rest

 

 

Let's compare the results?

 

Well, I have done what I could on my end, but you will have to add back the Pahe compatibility. I'm going to take a break from it now and getmysel something to eat....

[CliftonJD]

2 hours ago, Pfiffy said:

It seems to me, like the colleting script is missing the entries for Ravenrock...

nice catch, here's the fix for it:

AIBB_TIF__050316DD.psc

AIBB_TIF__050316DD.pex

SexLab TDF Aggressive Prostitution.esp

6 minutes ago, Pfiffy said:

Let's compare the results?

 

Well, I have done what I could on my end, but you will have to add back the Pahe compatibility. I'm going to take a break from it now and getmysel something to eat....

added pahe:

AIBB_TIF__050316DF.psc

AIBB_TIF__050316DF.pex

[Will55]

Went back to Lakeview manor with a really nice HE slave stolen from the Thalmor slavers. I really don't like them much but this one was special. Naturally after I dismissed and enslaved her she was not happy and proved quite difficult to get sub past 60, (But there is something feisty about her that i like). Once I managed that I took her "home" to an empty cellar. WTH!!!! As all four left there had been restrained with iron or steel.

 

looked at PAH. They were still listed.  but 3 renamed and all in the PAH clone cells. good bye training!

So I brought them back and renamed the 3 of them and it as okay as we are back at the beginning again. again again.

BUT the one who was not renamed ONLY has the two runaway speech lines available. and squawks "God i am tired" like a parrot despite reclining in PAH heaven.

I twice pushed her down to 5% HPs but no effect.

Same old, same old.

Very depressing as I was not going to enslave this early in this run-through but the quality of the available "pickings" was too high to ignore.

It has put a damper on the whole slavery thing once again as I will probably have to teleport her to some town naked (no "wear" line) and hope that she copes.

 

Sure, it might be the fact that she was the one slave where I took the duplicate as opposed to the original, but that should make no difference as after enslavement she was re-cloned just like the other 3. ( recruit via EFF>>>> dismiss>>>enslave) and in the past when I took the original and left the duplicate it had no effect on the game.

 I guess dishonesty doesn't always pay and stealing the slaves of others has unexpected risks, even if duplicated. ☹️

But I just hope it is not PAH's haemorrhoids returning

[Martok73]

4 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

more accurately that nothing was ever done to prevent her from being enslaved

ahh ok

4 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

pahe doesn't allow sex with children per the guidelines of the site, but it was argued that slavery should still be ok, so we kept it this way

ah, ok, I knew all about the sex with children thing, honestly had no idea tho that it was ok to enslave them. I mean given the fantasy medieval setting slavery is a common thing so children either born into slavery or taken as slaves during the conquest of an area makes perfect sense. And... since Babette is technically not a child and 300yrs old and is a rather sadistic evil little bitch, yeah no issue enslaving her and beating her into submission, LOL. Which since your reply from earlier I have since gone back to the save right before I went into Sanctuary and killed all the men and enslaved Babette, and Gabriella and made sure to not attack the invulnerable spider. I can confirm after the second test of completing the "Destroy the Dark Brotherhood" quest that it was me attacking that stupid invulnerable spider trying to kill it and not knowing it was invulnerable at the time since one spider had already attacked me, that caused the quest "Honor Thy Family" to popup and trigger when I tried talking to Gabriella after I had already enslaved her. The second time around when testing Babette's enslavement to see if that would make her move from her spot, I made sure not to attack that stupid spider, and thus the quest did not trigger. Or at least so far it has not triggered as of yet and I have since moved Gabriella and Babette to where I have Astrid chained up. So learned a couple things by going back to that previous save, 1. Babette will move and follow the player normally once she is a slave fixing her being "stuck in place" when killing all the other members of the DB for the quest to Destroy the DB. 2. Don't attack the stupid invulnerable spider and then talk to slave Gabriella and the Honor Thy Family quest won't trigger. 3. Might still want to look into her and that quest's triggers to see about preventing it from triggering at all once she's enslaved.

 

Ya know, being able to enslave children now opens up some things... thinking of how Britte treats her sister Sissel, even after adopting both of them Britte still acts like a total bitch to Sissel cause I've still had her tell me I could "beat up her sister" and she's still threatens her and chases her. So now that little brat can get what's coming to her. Let's see how she likes being treated the way she was treating her sister. I also have a mod that adds bandit children, forsworn children etc... so this will give a choice of killing them when clearing the camps or sparing them by enslaving them as well. I do have another question tho, since I now know that all the children can be enslaved, (not that I'm going to start up a child slavery ring haha), can they be sold at Felglow and the Restless Hunter just like adult slaves can be? I would assume that they can be but I want to make sure before I "give Britte what's coming to her" ya know. Speaking of the way Britte acts, if I had acted like her or treated my sister the way she treats Sissel, my father would have beat my ass until I could not sit down for a week. My sister is 10yrs younger than me so it would have made it worse, lol.

 

This is gonna add so much immersion and lore friendliness to my game, so much better than the immortal children Bugthesda had imho. It never made any sense to me in a game filled with violence where you could almost wipe out every single npc (minus a few permanently essential ones because of reasons?), that of all things to survive is the children, why would a dragon spare a child but wipe out and burn a whole city to the ground? Wouldn't those children get caught up in the chaos? Which is why I use mods like Immersive Children to make them mortal while still keeping all their special child animations and their child game restrictions in place that otherwise would be gone once the child flag is removed.

 

I do hope that it goes without saying that my feelings and opinions of reality and real life is much different from what I am ok with in a video game. I do not condone nor support slavery in any way shape or form in life and I am strictly against the abuse and exploitation of women and children where real life and reality is concerned. But Skyrim is a video game and I am an adult and I know the difference between a fantasy medieval set game and reality. I am ok with elements being added and me using them in a game that helps to increase lore friendliness and immersion and I am happy that I'm not alone in that aspect either. Ironically in the real medieval times lifespans were extremely short due to disease, war, famine and other harsh conditions so it was common practice for females to be married by the time they were 14 or 15 years old and most were considered "old maids" if they were still unmarried at 16 or 17. My father's mother (my grandmother) was born in 1910 and married to my grandfather when she was 14yrs old of her own choosing. They met and fell in love and got married at what today would be considered very young. Even back then it was "normal". She had 6 children 5 girls and the only boy my father and she lived a very long and happy life with my grandfather being the only man she was ever with or loved. He died at age 81 and she died many years later at age 94. Anyway I appreciate you making a mod that brings Skyrim closer to how it was in the 13th-16th centuries, and still is in some parts of the world. Reality is one thing a game is another and I do hope that like most people here, y'all understand, what I will do in a game, is not what I would ever do in real life, NSFW mods aside even vanilla (kill, steal, pillage). With all that being said, I do however wish that in Babette's case, and only her case, with all of her vanilla dialog that clearly states she only looks like a child, that the game itself and mods would treat her as an adult and not a child because she's not a child she just looks like one. Defense of this statement can be made that there are people in life with genetic disorders that look like a child all their lives but can live as long as any other normal person. They can fall in love, get married, have sex, and sometimes even have children of their own. I've seen stories on Discovery Channel about such people and find it awesome that just because they have a disease or disorder that causes them to look like a child it doesn't stop them from having a semi-normal life. I remember one story about a man who had the body of a 10 yr old, but died at the age of 46 due to heart failure. He had a normal sized wife and 3 kids who were  "normal" size. There was also a story several years ago about a woman that looked like she was 12 because her body stopped growing, and she had 2 kids (both normal), but sadly died at 36 from hearth failure. So yeah, just because one looks like a child doesn't mean they are one nor does it mean they should be treated like one either imho. But, that is just my opinion. Interestingly enough when I was 18 my GF at the time was 23yrs old, 5'0" tall, and weighed 95lbs soaking wet. Size A or was it B cup pretty sure A, can't remember, but I am assuming because she was full blooded Cherokee, but not sure, her skin was a beautiful golden brown and as smooth as a babies bottom not a blemish anywhere, (and of course I checked), and when you looked at her face she looked like she was 12 or 13. I never got carded in any bars we went to and I was underage, but she always got carded which I found funny as hell. I assume I didn't because I had a full beard and stood just a hair under 6' tall and was 185lbs at the time, and she looked like she was 12 or 13. She would get so pissed off when she showed her ID and the bouncers would always apologize and comment on her looks, but she never once told them I was 18 and not 21, which is the legal age to drink alcohol here in the U.S. Saw her a few years ago and she still looked like she's 12 or 13, still 5' tall and gorgeous, and had 3 kids and at that time was happily married. Been about 10 yrs since I saw her last tho so don't know if she still looks 12 or 13 now or not but she did then so I would assume she still looks extremely young.

 

Anyway I'll stop rambling now, just want to say thanks for leaving that part in and how did I not know this was possible all this time???

 

4 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

ok, thought you meant the dialogue was working and only failed under certain conditions. if she keeps asking to speak with bryholf, you've been spotted killing her and are getting the quest to restore your status with the guild...i'll have to look into patching that dialogue for slaves, add that to my list

Vex is the only TG female I'm having an issue with, Sapphire and Tonilia wok just fine, they have all slave dialog and non of their pre-slave dialog at all. Are they supposed to have or keep some of their pre-slave dialog btw?  I checked Vex's status in the PAHE MCM and it shows her mood as Angry, would that have anything to do with her bugging out and making me "click" her 3-5 times in a row just to make her stop refusing to talk and open the dialog window? IDK if that has anything to do with it or not as I have never really understood how the "mood" status in PAHE works or affects a slave. But there is no quest that pops up or appears in my quest log at all, she just acts like she's pissed off at me and refuses to talk, saying she's not gonna hold my hand, or if I want something to talk to someone else like Brjnolf or whoever. She will repeat a subtitle dialog line like that 3 or 4 times when I try to talk to her before actually opening up the dialog window showing me all of the dialog choices. Once the dialog window pops up tho she has all of the slave dialog and non of her pre-slave dialog as far as I can tell and she seems to work just fine as a slave when choosing each of the different slave dialog options be it from PAHE or HSH. It's just the getting her to open her dialog window and talk to me that is a PITA having to "click" her several times in quick succession to get it to work. But yeah no quest pops up at all so not sure if that helps or if you can track it or not.

 

4 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

during enslavement some factions are cleaned using the generic clean all faction command

As in they are removed from he npc taking them out of that faction? Like for generic non unique npcs like bandits they get removed from the bandit faction when you enslave them?

 

4 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

should be

BEST NEWS YET!!! YAY!!!

 

2 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

nice catch, here's the fix for it:

AIBB_TIF__050316DD.psc 33.01 kB · 1 download

AIBB_TIF__050316DD.pex 31.4 kB · 1 download

SexLab TDF Aggressive Prostitution.esp 960.84 kB · 1 download

added pahe:

AIBB_TIF__050316DF.psc 46.88 kB · 1 download

AIBB_TIF__050316DF.pex 40.86 kB · 1 download

Should I add these files to my current testing profile for TDF that I've been using to test with so far to see how they work? Or should I wait for another update?

 

@CliftonJD On a completely different note, the two slaves I was having issues with not responding/talking nor opening their dialog window at all and only giving the "..." response, are still having the same issue after trying that mod you suggested and linked. I downloaded and tried it and nothing happened, soI do not know what else to try to fix these two slaves.

Edited August 16, 2022 by Martok73

[Farsh-nuke]

I was about to get perturbed about enslaving children then I remembered that in Fallout 3 you can enslave children in the base game so I get it.  It still feels weird to me but I am a sensitive snowflake woke leftist who has learned to bite his tongue a lot because I'm here for the mods, not the political discourse.

I also writ incredibly dark fiction that would be illegal and immoral if it were real which is why I can play the mod.

Edited August 16, 2022 by Farsh-nuke

[Martok73]

2 hours ago, Farsh-nuke said:

I was about to get perturbed about enslaving children then I remembered that in Fallout 3 you can enslave children in the base game so I get it.  It still feels weird to me but I am a sensitive snowflake woke leftist who has learned to bite his tongue a lot because I'm here for the mods, not the political discourse.

I also writ incredibly dark fiction that would be illegal and immoral if it were real which is why I can play the mod.

You can enslave anyone in vanilla Fallout 3 it is just limited to one npc at a time. Have to take the slave to Paradise Falls and sell them before being able to enslave another one. There are also several child slaves that the game has without the player doing anything. Come to think of it several games have slavery without any mods at all, and movies do as well. Star Wars in fact has child slavery as Anakin was a slave before being "won/freed" by Qui-gon Jin. Ha, I never sat and actually thought about just how much child slavery is depicted in games, movies, tv, and other media formats until you said something. WOW, I do believe that those of us who are against it might just be the minority here as much as media is pushing it and desensitizing people to the idea. Utah and California are also trying to pass laws now that legalize marriage of minors as young as age 9, trying to make it legal to have "consensual sex" with children. So far they have not succeeded as of yet but they are trying. There are other countries and cultures that think this is normal and acceptable so I guess the U.S. is just trying to "get with the times"? Who knows, are we insane for thinking this is not ok, or are they insane for promoting it? I guess it all depends on what part of the world a person lives in huh?

 

Not even gonna comment on the whole snowflake part (got sunscreen lol), other than I get annoyed at leftist that scream "tolerance" but get pissed off at anyone that has a different opinion or does not 100% agree with their point of view. Every leftist I've ever met doesn't even know the definition of the word sadly. Equality, tolerance, inclusivity, yeah sure only if it is in perfect alignment with their version of it unfortunately.

 

I am surprised tho cause a true woke leftist would be against pretty much every single thing this website has and offers, at least the ones I know personally anyway. But I do agree that we are here for the mods and not the political discussion thankfully.

 

"wrote*, and there is inherent evil inside all of humanity, we are born with it in us, it is how we control and deal with that evil that separates us from other uncivilized species and even some other human cultures as well whom may or may not consider it to be evil at all.

[Farsh-nuke]

44 minutes ago, Martok73 said:

You can enslave anyone in vanilla Fallout 3 it is just limited to one npc at a time. Have to take the slave to Paradise Falls and sell them before being able to enslave another one. There are also several child slaves that the game has without the player doing anything. Come to think of it several games have slavery without any mods at all, and movies do as well. Star Wars in fact has child slavery as Anakin was a slave before being "won/freed" by Qui-gon Jin. Ha, I never sat and actually thought about just how much child slavery is depicted in games, movies, tv, and other media formats until you said something. WOW, I do believe that those of us who are against it might just be the minority here as much as media is pushing it and desensitizing people to the idea. Utah and California are also trying to pass laws now that legalize marriage of minors as young as age 9, trying to make it legal to have "consensual sex" with children. So far they have not succeeded as of yet but they are trying. There are other countries and cultures that think this is normal and acceptable so I guess the U.S. is just trying to "get with the times"? Who knows, are we insane for thinking this is not ok, or are they insane for promoting it? I guess it all depends on what part of the world a person lives in huh?

 

Not even gonna comment on the whole snowflake part (got sunscreen lol), other than I get annoyed at leftist that scream "tolerance" but get pissed off at anyone that has a different opinion or does not 100% agree with their point of view. Every leftist I've ever met doesn't even know the definition of the word sadly. Equality, tolerance, inclusivity, yeah sure only if it is in perfect alignment with their version of it unfortunately.

 

I am surprised tho cause a true woke leftist would be against pretty much every single thing this website has and offers, at least the ones I know personally anyway. But I do agree that we are here for the mods and not the political discussion thankfully.

 

"wrote*, and there is inherent evil inside all of humanity, we are born with it in us, it is how we control and deal with that evil that separates us from other uncivilized species and even some other human cultures as well whom may or may not consider it to be evil at all.

I was taking the piss. I could explain my politics but we wouldn't agree so there's little point.

I do want to be clear though that slavery is wrong and that exploitation and abuse of children is wrong. If there are states in America trying to legalize that shit then that's a problem.

Tolerance requires being intolerant of intolerance. 

That said I will say that it is fascinating how diverse the ideas of an endgame can be among the left. Like I love Star Trek but there are leftists who consider that the Federation in Star Trek is not leftist enough.

Also sexpositive feminists exist. I know queer feminist leftist women who rage against people who think liking fiction about evil and immoral actions means you are immoral asnd I agree with them.

[Farsh-nuke]

To be clear the reason Paradise Halls allowing slavery of children strikes me as perturbing is that I consider Paradise Halls to be a bdsm fantasy sex mod or use it as such anyway and see others use it similarly. Fallout 3 has no such sexual aspect to the slavery that I am aware.

I am not judging Clifton or anybody else involved with the mod but that is the reason for my opinion. 

[Antiope_Apollonia]

A good heuristic rule of thumb:

The more time one spends trying to affix tidy labels to ideas, the less likely their ideas are to have any merit.  The truth resists simplicity.  Messy nuance is the rule of the universe.

[Martok73]

51 minutes ago, Farsh-nuke said:

I do want to be clear though that slavery is wrong and that exploitation and abuse of children is wrong. If there are states in America trying to legalize that shit then that's a problem.

I agree with that 100% never said I supported it, and I've been saying there's something wrong with California for decades.

 

52 minutes ago, Farsh-nuke said:

Tolerance requires being intolerant of intolerance. 

That makes 0 sense, but whatever, as true tolerance tolerates everything even if it does not agree with it.

 

53 minutes ago, Farsh-nuke said:

That said I will say that it is fascinating how diverse the ideas of an endgame can be among the left. Like I love Star Trek but there are leftists who consider that the Federation in Star Trek is not leftist enough.

ROLFMAO, that's just damn funny, I love ST and have watched every episode of every show, minus season two of Picard and the last season of Discovery, I found the writing just to be lame and not interesting, and the acting was just plain bad. I do like the new show with the old Enterprise and Captain Pike, it's pretty good I think. I don't care for JJ Trek either honestly, but just an opinion.

 

56 minutes ago, Farsh-nuke said:

Also sexpositive feminists exist. I know queer feminist leftist women who rage against people who think liking fiction about evil and immoral actions means you are immoral asnd I agree with them.

Now I'm confused, does that mean you think people that like evil and immoral fiction makes you evil and immoral? That statement is very confusing. I would hope that you don't think that just because you watch/read/listen to media that contains works of fiction that has evil and immoral subject matter makes a person evil and immoral... We'd all be screwed if that was the case cause most movies, books, audio (not all but alot), contain evil and immoral subject matters.

 

55 minutes ago, Farsh-nuke said:

To be clear the reason Paradise Halls allowing slavery of children strikes me as perturbing is that I consider Paradise Halls to be a bdsm fantasy sex mod or use it as such anyway and see others use it similarly. Fallout 3 has no such sexual aspect to the slavery that I am aware.

It's a mod about slavery that lets you enslave, I think every npc in the game, so yeah it's about slavery and with slavery most of the time but not all, comes BDSM and Sex, they kinda go hand in hand, so yeah it's all about slavery, lol. Oh and as far as Fallout 3 goes, I take it you never talked to Clover in Paradise Falls have you? She is a SEX SLAVE, and part of the vanilla game without any mods whatsoever, lol. Oh and you can buy her and have a fade to black sex scene with her, over and over and over.... yeah Fallout 3's slavery is all about sex, just not with children thankfully, they could not have sold it if it had that in it. Every Fallout game and Elder Scrolls game has a Mature rating on it for a reason, lol. They all contain sex, violence, drugs and alcohol.

 

34 minutes ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

A good heuristic rule of thumb:

The more time one spends trying to affix tidy labels to ideas, the less likely their ideas are to have any merit.  The truth resists simplicity.  Messy nuance is the rule of the universe.

Yup, life and the universe is messy, chaotic, unpredictable, violent, and full of people/creatures that are going to piss you off at some point and disagree with you. Gotta learn to deal with it a move on, such is life. LOL

[Farsh-nuke]

26 minutes ago, Martok73 said:

That makes 0 sense, but whatever, as true tolerance tolerates everything even if it does not agree with it.

It's called the Paradox of Tolerance. Look it up. Basically for people to be free, you have to stop people from using the freedom to ruin the rights of others. I don't expect you to agree but that's why.

 

26 minutes ago, Martok73 said:

Now I'm confused, does that mean you think people that like evil and immoral fiction makes you evil and immoral? That statement is very confusing. I would hope that you don't think that just because you watch/read/listen to media that contains works of fiction that has evil and immoral subject matter makes a person evil and immoral... We'd all be screwed if that was the case cause most movies, books, audio (not all but alot), contain evil and immoral subject matters.

 

Yes, you're confused. You were saying the woke would hate this website. My point is that I am woke and I know many who are that believe fervently that people should not be policed for the fiction they enjoy. It's a whole thing in fanfic circles. Pro-shippers who let people enjoy the fanfic they like and anti-shippers who think you're evil if you like or write fanfic of things that would be evil in real life. The woke are on the side of pro-shipping or letting someone read fiction without judging them.

 

 

26 minutes ago, Martok73 said:

It's a mod about slavery that lets you enslave, I think every npc in the game, so yeah it's about slavery and with slavery most of the time but not all, comes BDSM and Sex, they kinda go hand in hand, so yeah it's all about slavery, lol. Oh and as far as Fallout 3 goes, I take it you never talked to Clover in Paradise Falls have you? She is a SEX SLAVE, and part of the vanilla game without any mods whatsoever, lol. Oh and you can buy her and have a fade to black sex scene with her, over and over and over.... yeah Fallout 3's slavery is all about sex, just not with children thankfully, they could not have sold it if it had that in it. Every Fallout game and Elder Scrolls game has a Mature rating on it for a reason, lol. They all contain sex, violence, drugs and alcohol.

The reason I jokingly called myself a sensitive snowflake is that I was taking the piss out of myself as I know I'm being oversensitive. I don't know Fallout 3 so well so fair enough I was wrong about that. It still feels close to the line of acceptability to have child slaves in this mod but that's explaining my perspective not saying my perspective is the only correct one. 

Edited August 17, 2022 by Farsh-nuke

[Pfiffy]

@Martok73 I switched in game for testing and it worked on existing Hookers. Too bad that I deleted the saves with further progress. Now I have to do the Whiterun quests again....

The next version full version will just be a bit of cleaning up... deleting unused files and so on... Hopefully the new files will fix your problems.

[Farsh-nuke]

Anyway I didn't want to stir up stuff. I was trying to preemptively de-escalate things and ended up confusing matters.

[idynaloak]

On 8/13/2022 at 7:48 AM, Martok73 said:

I'm no expert by no means, but from the looks of the log the pah mcm scripts are screwed up. I would suggest uninstalling PAHE and everything that goes with it. If you are using an existing save file, then go in game after you uninstall PAHE, and make a new hard save, then use the "Resaver" tool for Skyrim SE to "clean" your save file. Then reinstall PAHE and see what happens when it's fresh. I would think that should fix any script issues and make sure when you do reinstall PAHE don't let anything overwrite it.

Thank you for your quick response each time. I was trying some way to fix it and took me a while to get back to you.

 

As you wrote, I cleanly deleted PAHE and cleaned my save, then reinstalled PAHE.
I used "FallrimTools - Script cleaner and more" for the cleaning.

The result was the same as ...... with the PahMcm.psc error in the log.
I am using MO2 to set up my mods. At least MO2, I can confirm that the PAHE and SKY_UI files are not being overwritten with scripts or other files by other unrelated mods.

Since there is nothing wrong with other MCMs, I think it is probably something related to pahe and SKYUI (e.g. other mods, FIX mod) that is affecting it.
Are there any FIXes related to SKY_UI or SKSE that you have included or have removed because they conflict?

Edited August 17, 2022 by idynaloak

[Will55]

I came to this website absolutely hating slavery and killing all slavers and have seen both slaves and slavers in RL.

I still hate slavery in RL but see it as a better option for someone whose only other choice is death.

In games such as Skyrim etc. it is the only alternative to death for those who try to kill you or yours.

I extrapolated this to RL and remembered the Roman Histories that I read when I was younger then reread Koestler's book (IIRC The Gladiators) that led to Spartacus (movie and ballet).

 

In those times (and most of human history) slavery kept you alive if you were on the losing side whether military or civilian.

It is unpleasant for most but being dead is certainly worse and I can accept it as such. I would not make a good slave myself as Wartimes alone had me enraged at times and that was only demeaning and sexual. But in RL most adapted to it and some even thrived. The hydragorgon mod actually shows this to a degree.

 

However, defining actions based upon the concept: "Tolerance requires being intolerant of intolerance." is extremely dangerous as the definition of what is "intolerance" is totally flexible, being utterly malleable for political reasons as opposed to its supposedly inherent moral virtues that it implies and hopes for.

 It is a like killing someone for the greater "good: or the greater "god", an absolute exercise in hypocrisy when abused as it usually is and especially of late.

 

The last paragraph is my view of the above comments, and I won't respond to any comments about it.

 

Edited August 17, 2022 by Will55

[Will55]

For all of those looking forward to TES VI and F5:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovUklhECWVo

 

Just do NOT hold your breath.

 

I wonder if I will live long enough to see either.

Edited August 17, 2022 by Will55

[Bunniie]

Any plans to make a patch for sex scenes to proc Ostim? =D I just found Yamate Kudasai which integrates this mod but also SL and OStim, and was hoping to find a way to use Ostim for the scenes. 

[CliftonJD]

19 hours ago, Will55 said:

Went back to Lakeview manor with a really nice HE slave stolen from the Thalmor slavers. I really don't like them much but this one was special. Naturally after I dismissed and enslaved her she was not happy and proved quite difficult to get sub past 60, (But there is something feisty about her that i like). Once I managed that I took her "home" to an empty cellar. WTH!!!! As all four left there had been restrained with iron or steel.

 

looked at PAH. They were still listed.  but 3 renamed and all in the PAH clone cells. good bye training!

So I brought them back and renamed the 3 of them and it as okay as we are back at the beginning again. again again.

BUT the one who was not renamed ONLY has the two runaway speech lines available. and squawks "God i am tired" like a parrot despite reclining in PAH heaven.

I twice pushed her down to 5% HPs but no effect.

Same old, same old.

Very depressing as I was not going to enslave this early in this run-through but the quality of the available "pickings" was too high to ignore.

It has put a damper on the whole slavery thing once again as I will probably have to teleport her to some town naked (no "wear" line) and hope that she copes.

 

Sure, it might be the fact that she was the one slave where I took the duplicate as opposed to the original, but that should make no difference as after enslavement she was re-cloned just like the other 3. ( recruit via EFF>>>> dismiss>>>enslave) and in the past when I took the original and left the duplicate it had no effect on the game.

 I guess dishonesty doesn't always pay and stealing the slaves of others has unexpected risks, even if duplicated. ☹️

But I just hope it is not PAH's haemorrhoids returning

no idea there either, definitely not normal behavior 

19 hours ago, Martok73 said:

since I now know that all the children can be enslaved, (not that I'm going to start up a child slavery ring haha), can they be sold at Felglow and the Restless Hunter just like adult slaves can be?

probably, but uncertain of it and never tried. likely no problem at felglow

20 hours ago, Martok73 said:

Anyway I'll stop rambling now, just want to say thanks for leaving that part in and how did I not know this was possible all this time???

welcome

20 hours ago, Martok73 said:

23 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

ok, thought you meant the dialogue was working and only failed under certain conditions. if she keeps asking to speak with bryholf, you've been spotted killing her and are getting the quest to restore your status with the guild...i'll have to look into patching that dialogue for slaves, add that to my list

Vex is the only TG female I'm having an issue with, Sapphire and Tonilia wok just fine, they have all slave dialog and non of their pre-slave dialog at all. Are they supposed to have or keep some of their pre-slave dialog btw?  I checked Vex's status in the PAHE MCM and it shows her mood as Angry, would that have anything to do with her bugging out and making me "click" her 3-5 times in a row just to make her stop refusing to talk and open the dialog window? IDK if that has anything to do with it or not as I have never really understood how the "mood" status in PAHE works or affects a slave. But there is no quest that pops up or appears in my quest log at all, she just acts like she's pissed off at me and refuses to talk, saying she's not gonna hold my hand, or if I want something to talk to someone else like Brjnolf or whoever. She will repeat a subtitle dialog line like that 3 or 4 times when I try to talk to her before actually opening up the dialog window showing me all of the dialog choices. Once the dialog window pops up tho she has all of the slave dialog and non of her pre-slave dialog as far as I can tell and she seems to work just fine as a slave when choosing each of the different slave dialog options be it from PAHE or HSH. It's just the getting her to open her dialog window and talk to me that is a PITA having to "click" her several times in quick succession to get it to work. But yeah no quest pops up at all so not sure if that helps or if you can track it or not.

 

think somebody else here said they had no problems with vex so we'll still need more info on it for now

20 hours ago, Martok73 said:

As in they are removed from he npc taking them out of that faction? Like for generic non unique npcs like bandits they get removed from the bandit faction when you enslave them?

ya, its main reason that most who use the clean all faction command don't know or aren't aware that it has some odd choices of which factions to clean and which factions to leave behind. definitely doesn't clean all as it implies

20 hours ago, Martok73 said:

Should I add these files to my current testing profile for TDF that I've been using to test with so far to see how they work? Or should I wait for another update?

ya, hopefully you get better results firing hookers with it

20 hours ago, Martok73 said:

On a completely different note, the two slaves I was having issues with not responding/talking nor opening their dialog window at all and only giving the "..." response, are still having the same issue after trying that mod you suggested and linked. I downloaded and tried it and nothing happened, soI do not know what else to try to fix these two slaves.

at this point my best suggestion would be to try recloning them

16 hours ago, Farsh-nuke said:

do want to be clear though that slavery is wrong and that exploitation and abuse of children is wrong. If there are states in America trying to legalize that shit then that's a problem.

haven't heard that rumor, but could tell you that there are child labor laws preventing even the most similar atmosphere. since the early industrial age at the least, children were found working sweat shops. now there are many jobs that are illegal for children and other jobs that require parental consent

16 hours ago, Farsh-nuke said:

To be clear the reason Paradise Halls allowing slavery of children strikes me as perturbing is that I consider Paradise Halls to be a bdsm fantasy sex mod or use it as such anyway and see others use it similarly. Fallout 3 has no such sexual aspect to the slavery that I am aware.

I am not judging Clifton or anybody else involved with the mod but that is the reason for my opinion. 

for this reason the child sex laws in skyrim are enforced well enough that likely even babette won't have the dialogue for it

13 hours ago, Pfiffy said:

@Martok73 I switched in game for testing and it worked on existing Hookers. Too bad that I deleted the saves with further progress. Now I have to do the Whiterun quests again....

The next version full version will just be a bit of cleaning up... deleting unused files and so on... Hopefully the new files will fix your problems.

while i couldn't get my relationship to the jarl to let me take his stuff, he will let you buy the house using other means of raising the relationship if you'd prefer to skip the quests for now

8 hours ago, idynaloak said:

Thank you for your quick response each time. I was trying some way to fix it and took me a while to get back to you.

 

As you wrote, I cleanly deleted PAHE and cleaned my save, then reinstalled PAHE.
I used "FallrimTools - Script cleaner and more" for the cleaning.

The result was the same as ...... with the PahMcm.psc error in the log.
I am using MO2 to set up my mods. At least MO2, I can confirm that the PAHE and SKY_UI files are not being overwritten with scripts or other files by other unrelated mods.

Since there is nothing wrong with other MCMs, I think it is probably something related to pahe and SKYUI (e.g. other mods, FIX mod) that is affecting it.
Are there any FIXes related to SKY_UI or SKSE that you have included or have removed because they conflict?

mo2 has a feature or feature bug that allows it to decompress a packaged bsa file that many users have enabled. using that feature of mo is known to cause problems. now you can choose to delete your mo2 installation of pahe and reinstall it without decompressing the bsa

..Or you decompress the sl extension bsa file to overwrite those other files

[CliftonJD]

4 hours ago, Will55 said:

For all of those looking forward to TES V and F5:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovUklhECWVo

 

Just do NOT hold your breath.

 

I wonder if I will live long enough to see either.

psst, we're on es5, watching for 6, but expecting it will be a while yet after just releasing ae

11 minutes ago, Bunniie said:

Any plans to make a patch for sex scenes to proc Ostim? =D I just found Yamate Kudasai which integrates this mod but also SL and OStim, and was hoping to find a way to use Ostim for the scenes. 

i heard somebody was planning a non-sexlab version of pahe so it will likely be covered in that

[Martok73]

16 hours ago, Farsh-nuke said:

Yes, you're confused. You were saying the woke would hate this website. My point is that I am woke and I know many who are that believe fervently that people should not be policed for the fiction they enjoy. It's a whole thing in fanfic circles. Pro-shippers who let people enjoy the fanfic they like and anti-shippers who think you're evil if you like or write fanfic of things that would be evil in real life. The woke are on the side of pro-shipping or letting someone read fiction without judging them.

I do know several proclaimed leftist personally IRL off the net, and they think like that unfortunately. They also would hate this site if they ever saw it unfortunately. It is ironic tho that you and I agree on something because I do not believe reading or watching fiction makes a person evil. HAHA ain't that funny.

 

16 hours ago, Farsh-nuke said:

The reason I jokingly called myself a sensitive snowflake is that I was taking the piss out of myself as I know I'm being oversensitive. I don't know Fallout 3 so well so fair enough I was wrong about that. It still feels close to the line of acceptability to have child slaves in this mod but that's explaining my perspective not saying my perspective is the only correct one. 

Ok fair enough, which btw the sunscreen comment was a joke as my friends whom are very much snowflakes would tell you. Fallout 3 IMHO was the best Fallout game out of all of them for me, but again just my opinion. Given our recent conversations however there are many parts of that game that would probably rub you the wrong way, so if you ever decide to thoroughly play thru the game, keep in mind it just might piss you off. But it is a really good game too.

 

15 hours ago, Pfiffy said:

@Martok73 I switched in game for testing and it worked on existing Hookers. Too bad that I deleted the saves with further progress. Now I have to do the Whiterun quests again....

The next version full version will just be a bit of cleaning up... deleting unused files and so on... Hopefully the new files will fix your problems.

So should I go ahead and download the ones Clifton posted and try them then? Or do I wait until you guys put out another update?

 

14 hours ago, Farsh-nuke said:

Anyway I didn't want to stir up stuff. I was trying to preemptively de-escalate things and ended up confusing matters.

It happens, it's life and it's messy and confusing, don't worry about it. In the wise words of Bob Marely "Don't worry, about a thing, cause every little thing's gonna be alright".

 

10 hours ago, idynaloak said:

Thank you for your quick response each time. I was trying some way to fix it and took me a while to get back to you.

 

As you wrote, I cleanly deleted PAHE and cleaned my save, then reinstalled PAHE.
I used "FallrimTools - Script cleaner and more" for the cleaning.

The result was the same as ...... with the PahMcm.psc error in the log.
I am using MO2 to set up my mods. At least MO2, I can confirm that the PAHE and SKY_UI files are not being overwritten with scripts or other files by other unrelated mods.

Since there is nothing wrong with other MCMs, I think it is probably something related to pahe and SKYUI (e.g. other mods, FIX mod) that is affecting it.
Are there any FIXes related to SKY_UI or SKSE that you have included or have removed because they conflict?

Have you tried MCM Helper? I have a couple mods that use it so it's in my load order already, but it is supposed to "help" the MCM work properly supposedly. I can't remember everything it does off the top of my head, but it might be worth a shot. That error is pointing to the source and not the compiled script, I've not noticed that before, has it always been the psc file and not the pex file? It is odd because mine and from what I can tell most others in this thread are not having any issues with the MCM not working or populating, so that would tell me that it is not PAHE but most likely either SkyUI or another mod conflict. I don't use MO2 cause I honestly don't like it (shudders), I use Vortex and haven't had any issues. I don't think that it's the mod manager tho, I think it may either be SkyUI, or another mod.

 

What version of SkyUI and SKSE are you using?

[Martok73]

1 hour ago, CliftonJD said:

probably, but uncertain of it and never tried. likely no problem at felglow

Ok, fair enough, I'll load up my test save and see what happens.

 

1 hour ago, CliftonJD said:

think somebody else here said they had no problems with vex so we'll still need more info on it for now

IDK, I mean when I check her in the MCM her mood is Angry while all other slaves are either Afraid or Neutral. I can press "E" on all other slaves to "talk" to them and their dialog window pops up immediately and they give a random slave vocal response like "yes my Thane" or similar depending on their sub/respect levels. But when I go to hit "E" to talk to Vex, she responds with a couple angry vocal replies like "I'm not here to hold your hand" or "if you want advice go see Brnjolf" or something similar. If I press "E" several times in quick succession she still gives a couple of those angry vocal responses but by the 3rd or 5th press of "E", her dialog window will finally popup and I am able to "talk" to her. She has all of the normal slave dialog options available in the dialog window it's just a matter of having to press "E" several times to get the windows to popup. I should only have to press "E" once to "activate" her dialog tree popup window, the same as all other slaves and I have no clue as to why I'm having to hit it several times nor why she keeps giving me these angry mad pissed off responses either. There is no quests in my journal for the Thieves Guild and all other members except for Sapphire and Tonilia are dead and I've re-cloned and reset her 3 times each now.

 

2 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

ya, its main reason that most who use the clean all faction command don't know or aren't aware that it has some odd choices of which factions to clean and which factions to leave behind. definitely doesn't clean all as it implies

Ahh ok, so I would guess that you have something that goes in behind that to "clean" up the unwanted factions left behind then huh?

 

2 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

ya, hopefully you get better results firing hookers with it

Ok I'll do that and see what happens then.

 

2 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

at this point my best suggestion would be to try recloning them

Unfortunately I'm not sure how to do that while they are in the HSH MCM and not shown in the PAHE MCM where I have access to the re-clone button.

 

2 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

haven't heard that rumor, but could tell you that there are child labor laws preventing even the most similar atmosphere. since the early industrial age at the least, children were found working sweat shops. now there are many jobs that are illegal for children and other jobs that require parental consent

Saw the news report of it some time back on satalite tv about California and Utah. Those states are flippin' weird anyway so it didn't surprise me when I saw the news segment about it. Lots of labor laws in place, unfortunately they are not federally regulated so they each vary from state to state, there are a few laws in place that are federal, but the vast majority of them are state based. Utah, Wyoming, and Montana for example have the most lax child labor laws in the US as children as young as 12 can legally wok as farm hands on a ranch that is not owned by their parents/guardians/grandparents etc... meaning it's not the family farm/ranch. Whereas in those 3 states there is no law against a parent putting their 10yr old to work feeding the animals or doing other "chores" around the farm/ranch to help out.

 

2 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

for this reason the child sex laws in skyrim are enforced well enough that likely even babette won't have the dialogue for it

About the dialog.... during the testing of Babette as a slave to move her out of Sanctuary, once I got her back to where I had the other slaves from the DB and TG, I checked her dialog window to see what all was there and if any of her dialog from before being enslaved was still there. She has all slave dialog available, everything, including the sex related dialog. The only dialog she still has from before becoming a slave tho is the line that lets you ask her about herself. She no longer offers alchemy training nor any other dialog choice from before being a slave. But because of failsafes built into SL and PAHE however she will not animate so we're good there. Even tho you are able to select that dialog choice nothing happens and no animations play so no issues there. Strangely tho her slave sex stat increases each time even tho no animations are played at all, I am assuming that the stat is tied to the choice and not the actual animations correct? I've also noticed that her arousal level in SLA goes up as well over time while being in the same room as the other naked adult slaves. I've also noticed in other places where the children are exposed to a naked npc that their arousal level also increases. I admit I find that abit weird but I would guess that the scripts in SLA affect all npcs and not just adults and probably do not differenciate between them the way SL itself does.

 

But anyway point is, she only has one dialog option available from before being enslaved and that is the line that gives her backstory. She does have all slave dialog available from both PAHE and HSH. But given the fact that SexLab Framework and PAHE and HSH have safeguards built into them that prevents any child in game from being animated thus "no sex with children", I honestly don't have a problem with whether or not certain dialog shows up or not, it's dialog, it's not animation.

 

2 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

while i couldn't get my relationship to the jarl to let me take his stuff, he will let you buy the house using other means of raising the relationship if you'd prefer to skip the quests for now

I've never been able to buy Breezehome without doing the correct quests without using a mod. Are you sure you can simply raise Balgruuf's relationshiprank enough so that Proventus will sell you Breezehome?

 

2 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

mo2 has a feature or feature bug that allows it to decompress a packaged bsa file that many users have enabled. using that feature of mo is known to cause problems. now you can choose to delete your mo2 installation of pahe and reinstall it without decompressing the bsa

..Or you decompress the sl extension bsa file to overwrite those other files

Oh wow, I don't use MO2 so I never knew about that so I was suggesting all kinds of other things for them to try. That explains alot.

 

2 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

psst, we're on es5, watching for 6, but expecting it will be a while yet after just releasing ae

haha, ya beat me to it

[CliftonJD]

1 hour ago, Martok73 said:

4 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

think somebody else here said they had no problems with vex so we'll still need more info on it for now

IDK, I mean when I check her in the MCM her mood is Angry while all other slaves are either Afraid or Neutral. I can press "E" on all other slaves to "talk" to them and their dialog window pops up immediately and they give a random slave vocal response like "yes my Thane" or similar depending on their sub/respect levels. But when I go to hit "E" to talk to Vex, she responds with a couple angry vocal replies like "I'm not here to hold your hand" or "if you want advice go see Brnjolf" or something similar. If I press "E" several times in quick succession she still gives a couple of those angry vocal responses but by the 3rd or 5th press of "E", her dialog window will finally popup and I am able to "talk" to her. She has all of the normal slave dialog options available in the dialog window it's just a matter of having to press "E" several times to get the windows to popup. I should only have to press "E" once to "activate" her dialog tree popup window, the same as all other slaves and I have no clue as to why I'm having to hit it several times nor why she keeps giving me these angry mad pissed off responses either. There is no quests in my journal for the Thieves Guild and all other members except for Sapphire and Tonilia are dead and I've re-cloned and reset her 3 times each now.

ok so looking into vex and those 2 dialogues you mentioned, it seems the reason some have trouble and some have no issues with her is based on your progress with the guild. vex won't say anything else after completing the quest in the market with the silver ring until the quest "meet the family", then speak with mercer and brynholf before speaking to her.

i can fix her dialogue as a slave for next update or you would need to reload and meet the family before killing them

1 hour ago, Martok73 said:

Ahh ok, so I would guess that you have something that goes in behind that to "clean" up the unwanted factions left behind then huh?

huge custom list of preclean factions

1 hour ago, Martok73 said:

I've never been able to buy Breezehome without doing the correct quests without using a mod. Are you sure you can simply raise Balgruuf's relationshiprank enough so that Proventus will sell you Breezehome?

think i have him upto lover or ally on my current test save, haven't been to bleak falls barrow yet and own all the city homes

[Antiope_Apollonia]

2 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

4 hours ago, Martok73 said:

I've never been able to buy Breezehome without doing the correct quests without using a mod. Are you sure you can simply raise Balgruuf's relationshiprank enough so that Proventus will sell you Breezehome?

think i have him upto lover or ally on my current test save, haven't been to bleak falls barrow yet and own all the city homes

You can set relationship ranks with the console, so it would be trivial to test in a new game.  

setrelationshiprank <target> <#>