Reginald_001 Posted May 28, 2018 Posted May 28, 2018 https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2018/05/george-takei-sexual-assault-accuser-retracts-claim So that was an eye-opener, wasn't it! All those people that thought he was guilty, instantly condemning him to be a rapist, pedophile and whatnot... and it turns out.. He's fully innocent. Not even doubts.. No!! Just.. completely innocent. I made this post because.. shit this man is a FUCKING HERO. The way he responds! 'Forgiveness' I wish all of us were--nay I wish I was--as big of a person as George Takei is... I'd not have responded this lightly. In fact, I'd have sued this guy until there was literally nothing left...
27X Posted May 29, 2018 Posted May 29, 2018 Might wanna reread the original observer article because that's not what Brunton did. He admits he doesn't recall anything that constitutes sexual assault but he says everything else still happened, including Takei's sexual advances. It doesn't really matter anyway, Takei's media career has been destroyed; his agent won't be taking him back, the publisher that dropped him won't be picking up his next book, and both of his radio slots won't be reappearing, and his guests spots on Howard Stern might be the only thing he has left, seeing as Stern really doesn't give a shit about people's reputations outside of his office. Also this: Quote “If good people like George Takei get mistakenly swept up in the net of #MeToo, perhaps that’s a sacrifice they should be willing to make for the cause.” this is what you're dealing with in the court of progressive social media, before innocence or guilt can be factually determined.
27X Posted May 30, 2018 Posted May 30, 2018 19 hours ago, TheWhite said: Sounds like men trying to make the female victims' statements a joke. I can just imagine a bunch of (male) idiots saying that's how all the women's experiences were. I applaud you for managing to get both ignorance and obtuseness into such an efficient package. Sexual assault doesn't have gender preference for victim or perpetrator, and never has.
Kamen Rider Kuuga Posted May 30, 2018 Posted May 30, 2018 5 hours ago, 27X said: I applaud you for managing to get both ignorance and obtuseness into such an efficient package. Sexual assault doesn't have gender preference for victim or perpetrator, and never has. B-b-b-b-but muh cherry picked statistics that make women out to be 1,000,000,000% the victims!
Evilynn Posted May 30, 2018 Posted May 30, 2018 7 hours ago, 27X said: I applaud you for managing to get both ignorance and obtuseness into such an efficient package. Sexual assault doesn't have gender preference for victim or perpetrator, and never has. One of the most insane responses I've ever had was in response to the mod I'm working on where the main villain is a lesbian that tortures and rapes her victims... Response: blah, blah, blah... You can't give her male traits [rape/torture] and call it lesbian ... blah, blah, blah... I forget who it was, but I still laugh/cry at the ignorance when I remember it.
Bullfrog Posted May 31, 2018 Posted May 31, 2018 Guilty as fuck, the man is intolerant, ultra-lefty and project his every fault on others. He's a sex offender and a rapist.
Evilynn Posted May 31, 2018 Posted May 31, 2018 On 5/29/2018 at 5:10 PM, TheWhite said: Sounds like men trying to make the female victims' statements a joke You realize that George Takei is homosexual, and the accuser is a man right?
steelpanther24 Posted May 31, 2018 Posted May 31, 2018 The rapid "reprisals" to alleged perpetrators seems to happen at such speed that the population is very fickle and change habits on a moments notice. I am amazed that there aren't more divorces and splits due to "I am outraged that he/she said his/her Fallout 4 avatar is pretty/more handsome than me!" On a related note, why would publicists and sponsors be so quick to abandon people? Are people in the New World Order offered so many choices that they can consider "oh wait, this company supports that George Takei, I am gonna go next door to the next company that has exactly what I want there too!"??? I guess I am sadden that an old military saying ("a thousand 'atta-boys' don't make up for one 'oh shit') seems to be the status quo. While cases of sexual assault must be treated seriously and justice meted out, it seems mob justice is far more damaging than anything else. Character assassination takes less than a couple of tweets on twitter with little evidence to support the allegations. Finally, what of those who made allegations years back and were demonized (Corey Feldman and Sinead O'Connor), but were, decades later, exonerated? I guess The Princess Bride got it right when the grandfather asked his grandson "Where is it written that life is fair?"
Evilynn Posted May 31, 2018 Posted May 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, Bullfrog said: Guilty as fuck, the man is intolerant, ultra-lefty and project his every fault on others. He's a sex offender and a rapist. What do you base this on? I have no idea if he is a "intolerant, ultra-lefty and project his every fault on others" .. but even if he is, what does that have to do with him being guilty or innocent of assault. His accuser is specifically saying he doesn't remember anything that would make it sexual assault... ..... So, I just reread the story.. Brunton met him in a gay bar, On the night in question, he told Takei that he had split up with his boyfriend. Takei took him out to dinner, wine, and a play. He invited him up to his condo for drinks. After drinks he stood up and felt dizzy, sat in a bean bag chair, and the next think he knew, his date was making a move on him, and was grasping at his underwear... Brunton protested. Takei said "I'm trying to make you comfortable." Brunton didn't believe him, shoved him back and said NO. Takei was surprised and said "Fine", he wasn't angry. Takei said "You're not in any condition to drive." Brunton drove home anyway ^^ That's what the accuser says happened. Quote Even a mild dose of Rohypnol, or “roofies,” the most common date-rape drug, hits hard. It turns you into a rag doll with no control of arms or legs and no memory of several hours. Victims describe the next day as the worst hangover of their lives with a crushing headache, nausea and body pain. Someone who’d been roofied probably couldn’t have resisted a sexual advance, let alone driven home and remembered everything. Other date-rape drugs also pack a punch. GHB has paralyzing and amnesiac effects. Quaaludes, the sedative that the recently convicted Cosby used to incapacitate women, causes a loss of muscle control that lasts for hours. Neither would have allowed Brunton to respond as he did, especially when mixed with alcohol. “There are drugs today that may do this, but they did not exist [in 1981],” Nelson said. Quote I asked him to clarify the issue. “Did he touch your genitals?” “You know…probably…” Brunton replied after some hesitation. “He was clearly on his way to…to…to going somewhere.” We shared a pause. “So…you don’t remember him touching your genitals?” Brunton confessed that he did not remember any touching. Quote Someone young and new to this scene could certainly be surprised to learn that going out with a guy, then heading back to his apartment and having drinks together, would almost automatically be considered an invitation for sex in those days, according to Garren and others I spoke with who lived in L.A. in the early 1980s. None of this would be Brunton’s fault. These kinds of things were not openly talked about much. It sounds to me like a clear case of a misunderstanding, and definitely not sexual assault. If we went on a date, and I invited you to my home for drinks, and you accept... I would believe the light is green unless you do something to say otherwise... He had every reason to believe the light was green, and he stopped as soon as Brunton said "No!" That's not even close to sexual assault.
RaTMan71 Posted May 31, 2018 Posted May 31, 2018 There is nothing I despise more than the court of public opinion. It is fickle, mindless and devoid of critical scrutiny. People of the internets and the twitter machine unthinkingly and automatically believe any allegation before any semblance of due process takes place and like sharks infesting the sea, they circle their prey and whip themselves up into an hysteria ready to tear their prey to pieces in a feeding frenzy. If I had my way, the news would only be allowed to report on a trial AFTER either a conviction or an acquital, not before. The lynch mobs are a lesser concern once a defendant has had a proper hearing.
Tyrant99 Posted May 31, 2018 Posted May 31, 2018 I wonder what effect the 'threat of the Mob' has on human behavior. For millenia, people have concocted omniscient deities that could see their every move and punish them for any mistake or misstep. Now, we have something as close to a prickly diety as anything that's ever existed - Social Media and the Hive-Mind. Only, this particular God probably won't be supplicated by animal sacrifices...
Canaris Posted May 31, 2018 Posted May 31, 2018 Seeing how Takei is an icon of that whole MeToo, Trump trashing, social media fake outrage, sjw shitshow - all i can say is GOOD. Fuck him and everything he stands for. You got to taste your own medicine bitch. I hope you like it.
Guest Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 "If good people like George Takei get mistakenly swept up in the net of #MeToo, perhaps that’s a sacrifice they should be willing to make for the cause." I don't get how people can pretty much gloss over this quote. Maybe it should be reworded: If an innocent black woman is jailed for theft, maybe it's a sacrifice she should make to discourage thievery by black women. And if you didn't find the quote (or my bastardization) ludicrous, there's no hope
Evilynn Posted June 3, 2018 Posted June 3, 2018 1 hour ago, 2dk2c said: I don't get how people can pretty much gloss over this quote. I don't know the source, so I can't really say a lot about it. I agree with you though. It's totally insane. I feel the same way about posts like: "You got to taste your own medicine bitch. I hope you like it." and "Guilty as fuck, the man is intolerant, ultra-lefty and project his every fault on others." So because you don't agree with someone's opinion.... You know what? It's not worth it. That kind of hate doesn't deserve the attention.
Cynical Misanthrope Posted June 3, 2018 Posted June 3, 2018 On 5/31/2018 at 2:42 AM, Evilynn said: [...] Excuse me?!?! This is the very definition of sexual assault. No consent form were signed. No consent application form were used. He didn't ask every 10 seconds if "is this okay?". (And no intercourse happened. No one got hurt so nothing really happened at all) So with God as my witness, sexual assault it was. So take your manslpaining and go and mansplain somewhere else.
JujuVolikhar Posted June 3, 2018 Posted June 3, 2018 Could we stop digging the gender gap mines ? No ? You're ...? Fine with benevolently mining gold for the media ...? Nevermind
27X Posted June 3, 2018 Posted June 3, 2018 On 5/30/2018 at 9:10 PM, Tyrant99 said: I wonder what effect the 'threat of the Mob' has on human behavior. For millenia, people have concocted omniscient deities that could see their every move and punish them for any mistake or misstep. Now, we have something as close to a prickly diety as anything that's ever existed - Social Media and the Hive-Mind. Only, this particular God probably won't be supplicated by animal sacrifices... https://sites.middlebury.edu/individualandthesociety/files/2010/09/jackson_lottery.pdf
Canaris Posted June 3, 2018 Posted June 3, 2018 7 hours ago, Evilynn said: I don't know the source, so I can't really say a lot about it. I agree with you though. It's totally insane. I feel the same way about posts like: "You got to taste your own medicine bitch. I hope you like it." and "Guilty as fuck, the man is intolerant, ultra-lefty and project his every fault on others." So because you don't agree with someone's opinion.... You know what? It's not worth it. That kind of hate doesn't deserve the attention. George Takei is one of the "faces" of MeToo movement. A social media virtue signalling fake outrage bullshit used to level anonymous rape/sexual assault/molestation charges against people that ruined countless careers and lives. So i dont give two shits that he is the one actually suffering now from an anonymous accusation. What is so hard to understand ? If it happened to anyone clean and innocent i would be fucking pissed as always, but since it happens to someone like Takei - no fucks given.
BufusTurbo Posted June 3, 2018 Posted June 3, 2018 So, a unprovable 40-years-old accusation against a famous man was found out to be bollocks. How surprising.
SpinX Posted June 3, 2018 Posted June 3, 2018 So? an accusaiton against an innocent man that turned out to be false. So what? sucks but it happens. And false accusations are not exclusive to sexual assult. Why turn it the main issue of the #MeToo? Can someone come up with the percentage of false accusations? Like what? 10-15%? I'm sure it's way less. Not even closely enough to be an actual proplem. The real proplem is the actual and real assults. So why not focus on the real issue instead of getting side tracked. This might sound harsh but the damage of a false accusation against a rich and established celebrity is not really comparable to the damage of sexual assult. And if took few false accusations against few celebrities to give the courage to actual victims to come out then I'm fine with it.
pinky6225 Posted June 3, 2018 Posted June 3, 2018 12 minutes ago, SpinX said: Can someone come up with the percentage of false accusations? Like what? 10-15%? I'm sure it's way less. Not even closely enough to be an actual proplem. The real proplem is the actual and real assults. So why not focus on the real issue instead of getting side tracked. This might sound harsh but the damage of a false accusation against a rich and established celebrity is not really comparable to the damage of sexual assult. And if took few false accusations against few celebrities to give the courage to actual victims to come out then I'm fine with it. Why even have a trial then? quick google says between 2 and 10% for false allegations but also wants to qualify that a lot since its a very hard stat to define (do you define as false when a case falls through as the victim wont give evidence at trial? successful prosecution with new evidence that then gets proven false by a re-trial?)
SpinX Posted June 3, 2018 Posted June 3, 2018 20 minutes ago, pinky6225 said: Why even have a trial then? Who said don't have a trial? have a trial when possible. But even without trial I won't dismiss sexual assult claims. Sometimes it's hard to prove something that happened years ago but that doesn't mean it didn't happen and we can't do something about it. So, if someone has been accused by multiple people. Or just one claim by person but the story makes sense then odds are that someone is guilty. Will there be innocents who will get falsly accused? YES. But like I said, the percentage is way too low to be an actual proplem. And like George Takei and others. False allegations pan out eventually.
Cynical Misanthrope Posted June 3, 2018 Posted June 3, 2018 1 hour ago, SpinX said: So? an accusaiton against an innocent man that turned out to be false. So what? sucks but it happens. And false accusations are not exclusive to sexual assult. Why turn it the main issue of the #MeToo? Can someone come up with the percentage of false accusations? Like what? 10-15%? I'm sure it's way less. Not even closely enough to be an actual proplem. The real proplem is the actual and real assults. So why not focus on the real issue instead of getting side tracked. This might sound harsh but the damage of a false accusation against a rich and established celebrity is not really comparable to the damage of sexual assult. And if took few false accusations against few celebrities to give the courage to actual victims to come out then I'm fine with it. Although real assault is obviously much worse than being falsely accused of it, we live in society where the mere accusation can ruin your life. People has lost their job, the family, and god knows what. So it is a fairly big problem. No matter the numbers. It's the chain reaction that follows that can happen. Try imagine yourself in this situation: You get accused and convicted of sexual assault. You go to jail. Your mother gets so devastated, she commit suicide. New evidence is put forth, and it turns out you were completely innocent, or the "victim" confessed it was all lie. And you get released. Now try live a normal life again when you might have lost your job, your house, you car, and your family might even have turned the back on you. But also deal with the fact, that the last thought your mother had of you, were that you were a fucking disgusting piece of shit who assaulted someone sexually. I'm willing to slit my whole nut-sack off that I don't believe for a second you would appreciate if people would tell you at this very moment: "So what? Sucks but it happens" No matter your social status. And this is not something I made up btw. It actually happened roughly 2 months ago to a man. Completely innocent. The man and the woman haven't even meet each other in real life. She made it up. And yet his whole life as he knew it - completely gone. So the real issue is, the punishment for falsely accusing someone is not harsh enough. It is actually the opposite. It can be incredible lucrative. It should be on the same level as the real crime, because that would discourage ppl from doing it. And that is how we deal with the real problem.
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.