Why not on Nexus?

[TheWitherEffect]

I've been wondering why sexlab and devious devices and mods like that aren't on Nexus. They have CBBE but not SOS or UNP, was it the modder's choice or did Nexus ban it? If they banned it it would make little sense because of the adult filter. Just curious and looking for a quick answer. 

[myuhinny]

Because the nexus has a very narrow view when it comes to most adult mods and why upload stuff there and have to deal with their crap anyway. I believe SOS use to be on the nexus at one time. 

[Guest]

Nexus staff, well, one admin in particular, has a very deep hatred for LL, so, yeaaaaahhhh.

[Ashal]

I have absolutely zero ill-will towards Nexus. Fairly certain I've said elsewhere already that I find the anti-Nexus sentiment around here rather unbecoming. They get more hate than they deserve. They are the mainstream mod site in the public eye, and with that comes a different set of problems than what LoversLab has to deal with. How appropriately they've dealt with those problems is up to the individual and not for me to decide here. 

I do however think my SexLab Framework mod could and should technically be allowed on Nexus, as it very directly avoids anything such as rape and VERY strictly (more so than Nexus approved mods do...) blocks underage appearing actors from being used in a sexual context. It as a framework mod is considerably less offensive than either Adult Show XXX or Adult Prostitution (both on the Nexus). That said, myself as the author of SexLab AND as owner of LoversLab, a site very strictly forbidden on Nexus , I very much so doubt any adult mod I introduced there would be welcome.

 

And even then, if SexLab was allowed to exist on Nexus, it still remains just a framework - many of the mods that make use of it would not be allowed,  and with Nexus's ban on even saying LoversLab in  post, providing SexLab Framework there would be of little use to them without being able to also access, or even direct them towards, other SexLab mods.

[wr1]

I started playing Skyrim recently and the first impression it made on me was that it was very violent.  Most situations seem to be resolved by immediately charging in and chopping your enemies to pieces.  I find it kind of ironic that the various sex mods are socially unacceptable, but being a world record axe murderer per the normal game is socially acceptable.

 

It kind of reminds me of Apocalypse Now...

 

 

They train young men to drop fire on people. But their commanders won't allow them to write 'fuck' on their airplanes because it is obscene.

 

Source: http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0002962/quotes

 

EDIT:

 

See also Zardoz:

 

 

The gun is good...the penis is evil!

[Kpnut]

I have absolutely zero ill-will towards Nexus. Fairly certain I've said elsewhere already that I find the anti-Nexus sentiment around here rather unbecoming. They get more hate than they deserve. They are the mainstream mod site in the public eye, and with that comes a different set of problems than what LoversLab has to deal with. How appropriately they've dealt with those problems is up to the individual and not for me to decide here. 

It may be because of the anti-Nexus sentiment on this site (which I myself have been a small part of, but mainly towards some of the members of one of their sites rather than the staff) but this actually surprised me, which it probably shouldn't have done (it also probably wouldn't have done if there was less nexus hate on this site.) However I can see why Sexlab wouldn't be allowed on the nexus given that you're the mod author for it and that most of its other plugins wouldn't be allowed on the site (although some of the ones I played with aren't all THAT bad, spouses enhanced for example.)

[Content Consumer]

 

I started playing Skyrim recently and the first impression it made on me was that it was very violent.  Most situations seem to be resolved by immediately charging in and chopping your enemies to pieces.  I find it kind of ironic that the various sex mods are socially unacceptable, but being a world record axe murderer per the normal game is socially acceptable.

 

 

 

 

 

The lack of potties (among other things) in ES games has always struck me as kind of funny. Here's a game with ostensibly adult content, including murder, drug use, occasionally bad language, blood and gore sometimes to extremes... but no sex or alimentary functions. Welcome to Skyrim, where killing people is okay but consensual sex between adults is right out. I mean, we've already got an M rating... were they worried that full-frontal nudity out of the box was going to send the ESRB into a tailspin and get Bethesda employees ceremonially executed or something?

[nurvy]

I'm a member of both. I recently joined LL and honestly, I like the atmosphere here better. LL just seems far more accepting of all social circles, classes, genders and sexualities. You can see that in the mods posted and the general close knit style of the community.

[prideslayer]

Sexout isn't there for similar reasons to sexlab. While it does 'support' rape, that could easily just be changed to 'violent' or 'painful' -- all it actually affects in sexout itself is the sounds that are played. The bestiality support would have to go I suppose.

 

However, the main reason I don't upload anything of my work there, including NX and FOMM which would obviously be allowed (Niv *does* upload our version of FOMM there), is because the unfair treatment of some modders there has been sanctioned, implicitly if not explicitly.

 

Until there is a system in place to air grievances and have them addressed, fairly and impartially, I will refrain from uploading anything I create. It's a sort of solidarity thing -- no admin or moderator at Nexus has ever wronged me personally.

[windpl]

I've been wondering why sexlab and devious devices and mods like that aren't on Nexus. They have CBBE but not SOS or UNP, was it the modder's choice or did Nexus ban it? If they banned it it would make little sense because of the adult filter. Just curious and looking for a quick answer. 

 

Answer is simple, just simple thing like mentioning LL there can get you banhammered on nexus.

There is few misconception that was spread by nexus staff, like LL is hosting stolen content and ect. That mainly is they answer if you ever had courage to ask them why LL is tabu there. Which everyone know that is bullshit.

[GrimReaper]

I imagine Sexlab and most mods that work off of it (with the exception of rape and bestiality) would only be allowed if there were a section of the Nexus for it as there is for adult images and then only accessable "If" you are a paid member. and that I doubt would ever be allowed by the authors of Sexlab and the mods using it. But I doubt Nexus would want to have to deal with the loudest of it's memebrs that absolutly have to whiteknight everything. It isn't the whole of Nexus just the loudest.

But I would agree that it is a rather strange beast that "Sex" in any form is so looked down upon yet murdering an entire village only costs you 40 gold.

But seriously many people are deathly afraid of admitting there own perversions and feel the need to surpress any and all forms of it, even in games.

But it is the right of the site owners to do so whether we agree with them or not.

 

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/33102/?

[prideslayer]

like LL is hosting stolen content and ect.

There is more truth to this than any of us want to admit, though most of it is minor and isn't getting anyone up in arms. Go look around any of the forum areas just 'above' the download section for threads where people are asking for a mod they can't find anymore because the author took it off nexus or wherever.

 

You'll often find people more than willing to upload a copy to mega or here.

[GrimReaper]

Estrus does not deal with rape or bestiality, it deals with things that do not exist. Animals exist, rape exists because of humans, willful intelligent tentacles do not exist.

Estrus depicts fetish/fantasy not reality. and like I said, it is the right of the site owner to pick and choose what the site displays not us as users/members whether we agree or not.

 

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/10748/?

 

 

Estrus is tentacle rape, by the way. The only reason the nexus staff allows it is because it's a spell that has to be casted by the player. If NPCs could trigger that event, this mod would have been removed. Also, trolls do not exist. Or dragons. According to you, mods with creature sex depicting only creatures that don't exist would be fine on the nexus, but for some reason I really doubt that.

 

So no, you don't need to be a premium member over at the nexus to download the adults only stuff. But they have rules about what goes and what doesn't. Sexlab itself would be allowed, as well as plugins that deal with consensual sex.

[Kimy]

I never posted any mod there, but I found LL via Nexus. I had no idea about the tensions between both communities, but I have to admit that when I see the work of awesome modders getting wiped out of existence because of the most minor of transgressions (such as saying "LoversLab" aloud, geesh!), my inclination to post anything I make on that site is getting reduced to a close approximation to zero. I am a big fan of moderation and I think that any large community needs it. But what they do on Nexus is more than a tad over the top, and I don't want to expose my work to the mercy of some trigger-happy admin who banhammers people left and right on the very first chance given.

 

I like LL better for a number of other reasons, too. Such as LL being a lot more friendly and open - not only in terms of maturity, but we also seem to be a lot more liberal with permissions and are more community oriented. As an example, on LL pretty much everyone includes source code. On Nexus that's the exception rather than the rule and they sometimes seem to spend more time writing restrictive licences complete with mile-long lists of "don't do that"'s than developing actual code. That is telling enough about the general attitude of that community, tbh.

[GrimReaper]

You never cease to amaze me Grim, you have a way of following every single post I make just to try and disprove a bloody opinion, which doesn't need proving one way or another it is a OPINION not fact in any way shape or form. but oh great god of truth and Internet justice I'll try not to post any more of my inferior opinions.

But I was wrong to insinuate that trolls do not exist, evidently they do.

 

 

 

 

 

Srsly tho, why do you get so butthurt over that. I don't follow any of your posts, you just said something that didn't make sense. You said you imagined that the nexus would use adult mods to make some additional dosh / gating the content so it can only be downloaded by those who paid because there's a higher chance these people are actually of legal age by making them available only to premium members/supporters like they did with the adult image section. But they don't do that. This may have been your opinion, but your opinion was made on baseless assumptions and turned out to be wrong. Opinions aren't holy cows that can't be touched, the thing that's important is that you are able to express your opinion, just like others are allowed to agree or disagree with you.

 

[darkconsole]

 

I started playing Skyrim recently and the first impression it made on me was that it was very violent.  Most situations seem to be resolved by immediately charging in and chopping your enemies to pieces.  I find it kind of ironic that the various sex mods are socially unacceptable, but being a world record axe murderer per the normal game is socially acceptable.

 

 

i have never seen a problem handled by nexus admins handled with any form of tact. it almost comes off like its own game of thrones style drama to me. and this is coming from someone who came from nothing.

[LordNecris]

One fun thing is a rather recent controversy on Nexus. A childlike looking 'but she is really thousand years old' character, as a follower, using a shrunk down UNP Body and Skeleton. Nevernude Body, but not flagged as child, so she is SL compatible.

 

Nexus allows her, LL would not allow her.

 

Even worse: People uploaded screenshots of her 'in action' so to say.

[prideslayer]

One more reason to just avoid the place. That argument is one that surfaced in/around a sexout thread on hongfire and caused me to eject, never to return. If LL ever adopted the nexus/HF stance, I'd be gone from here too.

[Kendo 2]

I've been wondering why sexlab and devious devices and mods like that aren't on Nexus. They have CBBE but not SOS or UNP, was it the modder's choice or did Nexus ban it? If they banned it it would make little sense because of the adult filter. Just curious and looking for a quick answer. 

Quick Answer:  Nexus/Robin Scott as stated publicly in the past that lover's Lab hosts pirated content.  That is his excuse for not allowing links or even mention of the name Lover's Lab.  Truth be known, his stance is what started the air of bad blood.  That existed long before the disenchanted, unwanted and banned from Nexus started coming here as a sane refuge from Nexus stupidity.  I would never have known about Lovver's Lab if it wasn't for Dark0ne hating on it FIVE YEARS AGO.

 

The Truth: Years ago when Lovers PK was released for Oblivion there was an uproar at both Nexus and WolfLore.  I believe (not certain) that is why Lover's lab was founded.

 

Also the hypocrisy of Nexus is well known by everyone; Member #1 trolls an upload thread and is banned.  Member #2 (who happens to be buddied with someone on the staff there) trolls an upload thread and their post gets deleted and nothing else happens to them.  Member #1 steals content from another mod author and gets banned for it.  Member #2 does the same thing but the only thing that happens to them is the mod gets removed by the staff, and they do not get banned.

That is their "our interpretation of the rules,  not yours" clause and if you question one of their bullshit decisions they'll ban you for it, even if you do it via a PM and keep it out of the public eye.

 

There is also Robin Scott's unfounded narcissism to deal with at Nexus, his retarded staff, clueless member base (for the most part) and a slew of other reasons NOT to upload anything to Nexus.  The ONLY benefit of uploading to Nexus is mod exposure.  But who really cares about if people download a mod or not?  Being a kudos whore and getting personal validation from total strangers on the internet is just stupid.

 

I wish the best for Ashal since he has been very kind and tolerant; two qualities you will not find in the Nexus staff.  I do wish that mods like Sexout and Sexlab had more exposure, but exposure HERE with more site traffic so Ashal can reap the benefits, not Dork0ne and Nexus.

 

One more reason to just avoid the place. That argument is one that surfaced in/around a sexout thread on hongfire and caused me to eject, never to return. If LL ever adopted the nexus/HF stance, I'd be gone from here too.

Hate to say it, but I would pack up my Tinker Toys and leave too.  Once that starts, the creativity dies.  Look at Nexus and what is uploaded there now.  Most of the creative minds have abandoned the place, starting their own blogs or joining other forums.  Depending on the day and time, there are more registered members active here than on Nexus.  That says a lot, considering Nexus is mod Mecca.

[Halstrom]

Nexus is a vanilla place for sex mods, LL is more open, it is win win having both, there are many Nexus members we do without just fine, some of their best modders would not be comfortable here anyway.

Most of the heavy handedness I've seen from moderators in Nexus doesn't even involve sex, but some of it seems silly, a person can create a complete new mesh and people who don't even download it report it as ripped and the author gets banned. To show their banning in a pinned thread is practically promoting banning users as a sport.

[Chaos63]

They may also be hesitant to allow hardcore porn mods for fear of losing their ad revenues. Ashal mentioned recently LL can't take on any "normal" adds because most don't want to be associated with purely pornographic content. Sex mods probably raise more flags than nudity mods.

Still, I can't imagine what kind of bad blood gave birth to this "no mention" rule, somebody must have really taken it up the ass to make this happen.

[GrimReaper]

One fun thing is a rather recent controversy on Nexus. A childlike looking 'but she is really thousand years old' character, as a follower, using a shrunk down UNP Body and Skeleton. Nevernude Body, but not flagged as child, so she is SL compatible.

 

Nexus allows her, LL would not allow her.

 

Even worse: People uploaded screenshots of her 'in action' so to say.

 

That would be allowed on LL. As long as no nudity or sexual content is provided in the mod itself, it's good to go. After all you can't be held responsible for what people do when they download the files, changing the body from clothed to nude is as easy as unticking the child flag. I believe most killable children mods simply function by removing said flag, allowing them to be killed (and thus making them in theory compatible with SL). Some of the child overhaul mods like RS Children also remove this flag. But it would be silly to ban killable children mods from LL, now would it. Also loli mods are not forbidden because of moral reasons, they're banned because they can and will cause legal issues for users and possibly the site owner, depending on the individual laws. At least that's what I got from all that drama back then.

 

History of LL:

 

 

Some dude (I believe Jenova was his nick) found the xLovers mods on some japanese website and posted them + some barebone translation for them on Wolfslore. More and more people jumped on the train and mostly just translated all the different plugins. Then, the admin didn't want to be admin anymore and chose two people to replace him, those two didn't want any non-consensual stuff on Wolflore and so most of the xLovers content was banned from there. People flocked to hongfire and were desperate, then Ashal came up with LL to give the people interested on working/translating said mods a better place than the hentai forum on hongfire - after all it's pretty frustrating to fit so many topics in one thread. The end. That's how I remember it anyway, but I was there since Wolflore.

 

 

@prideslayer, you were not the first to leave LL because the rules and your moral standards aren't on par. Donkey was a pretty active modder here some time ago, he left because he felt the rules regarding content including children were too lax. That was before the new rules were made, but those new rules were mainly just made for one single thread here - a child replacer with nude meshes as an optional download.

[prideslayer]

Kendo what virus is turning everyones name into TWE in your quotes, or is that some joke I'm not getting?

[prideslayer]

allowing them to be killed (and thus making them in theory compatible with SL).

Sexout has additional protections beyond just checking that flag, and sexlab might as well. I have further measures I can take if it becomes a problem but so far it hasn't.

 

@prideslayer, you were not the first to leave LL because the rules and your moral standards aren't on par. Donkey was a pretty active modder here some time ago, he left because he felt the rules regarding content including children were too lax. That was before the new rules were made, but those new rules were mainly just made for one single thread here - a child replacer with nude meshes as an optional download.

"would not be" I assume you mean, I haven't left. I'm aware of the Donkey fiasco, he created a lot of the animations that I added to Sexout and we worked together pretty closely. I was sorry to see him go, though I understand why he did.

[GrimReaper]

A few example of child-like followers here on LL which work with sex mods right out of the box or could be easily made 'compatible'.

 

http://www.loverslab.com/files/file/1408-meyla-the-berzerker-female-child-companion/

http://www.loverslab.com/files/file/1411-xunianas-nessa-follower/

http://www.loverslab.com/files/file/513-lost-children-of-sky/

http://www.loverslab.com/files/file/464-child-followers-liette-and-natesse-standalone/

http://www.loverslab.com/files/file/436-liette-child-follower/

 

The thing is, if you go down the road and make rules around what people could potentially do, you're going down the wrong road. The last consequence would then be to ban anything related to sex, because someone can and will use the tools you provide them with to make something work that you don't want to see.

 

 

"would not be" I assume you mean, I haven't left. I'm aware of the Donkey fiasco, he created a lot of the animations that I added to Sexout and we worked together pretty closely. I was sorry to see him go, though I understand why he did.

 

Multiple edits in quick succession do that to me. My apologies.