Devious Devices SE

[Villianize]

Devious Devices work for the most  part in regards to being visible and showing up when worn, BUT unlike on my oldrim playthrough they dont lock or give a locked notification when equipped to myself or NPCs. I've tried going through the MCM but nothing seems to fix the issue. I've tried searching for solutions around the site and whatnot but nothing seems to get close to what I'm facing or the fix doesnt seem to work. Also when I read the books from the Forbidden Bookshelf the crafting options do not show up when I'm at a forge or anvil. 

[Roggvir]

Noticed some bug in Devious Devices - Expansion 4.2 SE

 

Straitjackets that are supposed to show legs (those not having legbinder or hobble skirt) are missing Slot 38 - Calves from their "BOD2 - Biped Body Template" in the Armor record.

This results in a gap in between feet and knees. Adding the Slot 38 to the BOD2 fixes it.

I suspect this concerns all the following Armor Addons from Devious Devices - Expansion.esm:

 

0002D9C6: zadx_StraitJacketLatexBlackAA
0002D9C7: zadx_StraitJacketLatexRedAA
0002D9C8: zadx_StraitJacketLatexWhiteAA
0002D9C9: zadx_StraitJacketLeatherBlackAA
0002D9CA: zadx_StraitJacketLeatherRedAA
0002D9CB: zadx_StraitJacketLeatherWhiteAA
0002D9D8: zadx_StraitJacketLeatherToplessBlackAA
0002D9D9: zadx_StraitJacketLeatherToplessRedAA
0002D9DA: zadx_StraitJacketLeatherToplessWhiteAA
0002D9DB: zadx_StraitJacketLatexToplessBlackAA
0002D9DC: zadx_StraitJacketLatexToplessRedAA
0002D9DD: zadx_StraitJacketLatexToplessWhiteAA

 

[Roggvir]

I am unable to get rid of Bondage Mittens, no matter how many times i try.

 

After few unsuccessfull attempts to unlock, i eventually get the message indicating success (something about the mittens falling off), but immediately after that follows another message indicating failure to unlock, and the mittens stay.

 

If it is not a problem in DD, then maybe it is something in DCL - i am not sure how to find out where the mittens came from (which script game them to me).

I suppose i can use the console to remove them, but i dont know if they are maybe part of some quest, in which case i wouldnt want to break that quest.

 

EDIT: related errors in Papyrus log

Spoiler

[03/31/2019 - 07:11:05AM] error: Unbound native function "FormHasKeywordString" called
[03/31/2019 - 07:11:05AM] warning: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp7"
stack:
    [alias PlayerRef on quest zadDevicesUnderneathQuest (09041472)].zadDevicesUnderneathPlayerScript.Logic() - "zadDevicesUnderneathPlayerScript.psc" Line 17
    [alias PlayerRef on quest zadDevicesUnderneathQuest (09041472)].zadDevicesUnderneathPlayerScript.OnObjectUnequipped() - "zadDevicesUnderneathPlayerScript.psc" Line 66
[03/31/2019 - 07:11:05AM] [Zad]: OnUnequipped(DCLTest: Black Leather Paw Bondage Mittens)
[03/31/2019 - 07:11:05AM] error: Unbound native function "FormHasKeywordString" called
[03/31/2019 - 07:11:05AM] warning: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp7"
stack:
    [alias PlayerRef on quest zadDevicesUnderneathQuest (09041472)].zadDevicesUnderneathPlayerScript.Logic() - "zadDevicesUnderneathPlayerScript.psc" Line 17
    [alias PlayerRef on quest zadDevicesUnderneathQuest (09041472)].zadDevicesUnderneathPlayerScript.OnObjectEquipped() - "zadDevicesUnderneathPlayerScript.psc" Line 48
[03/31/2019 - 07:11:10AM] error: Unbound native function "FormHasKeywordString" called
[03/31/2019 - 07:11:10AM] warning: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp7"
stack:
    [alias PlayerRef on quest zadDevicesUnderneathQuest (09041472)].zadDevicesUnderneathPlayerScript.Logic() - "zadDevicesUnderneathPlayerScript.psc" Line 17
    [alias PlayerRef on quest zadDevicesUnderneathQuest (09041472)].zadDevicesUnderneathPlayerScript.OnObjectUnequipped() - "zadDevicesUnderneathPlayerScript.psc" Line 66
[03/31/2019 - 07:11:10AM] [Zad]: OnUnequipped(DCLTest: Black Leather Paw Bondage Mittens)
[03/31/2019 - 07:11:10AM] error: Unbound native function "FormHasKeywordString" called
[03/31/2019 - 07:11:10AM] warning: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp7"
stack:
    [alias PlayerRef on quest zadDevicesUnderneathQuest (09041472)].zadDevicesUnderneathPlayerScript.Logic() - "zadDevicesUnderneathPlayerScript.psc" Line 17
    [alias PlayerRef on quest zadDevicesUnderneathQuest (09041472)].zadDevicesUnderneathPlayerScript.OnObjectEquipped() - "zadDevicesUnderneathPlayerScript.psc" Line 48

 

Disregard.

Looks like the DeviousDevices.dll was not loaded for some reason.

 

 

EDIT 2:

Fixed the missing DLL problem and tested on new game - the problem persists, exactly the same, except the papyrus errors are no more.

These are now the related lines in the log i think:

Spoiler

 

[03/31/2019 - 07:33:55AM] [Zad]: OnUnequipped(Prisoner: Black Ebonite Paw Bondage Mittens)
[03/31/2019 - 07:33:55AM] [Zad]: Difficulty modifier applied: 1.000000 [setting: 4]
[03/31/2019 - 07:33:55AM] [Zad]: SyncInventory(): Equipping Bondage Mittens.

 

 

At first i see success message

"With a lot of patience and a little luck you manage

to insert the key into the lock and turn it. The

bondage mittens fall off your hands."

 

...and then immediately after that:

"This restraint was designed to make it hard the

person wearing it in to unlock herself. You struggle

hard trying to insert the key into the Bondage

Mittens's lock anyway, but find the locks well

outsides of your reach. Tired from your struggles,

you have no choice but to give up for now. Maybe

try again later!"

 

...and at the end i still have the mittens on.

[Tron91]

On 3/28/2019 at 4:24 AM, Roggvir said:

From what i seen, the BodySlide files are not completely and thoroughly converted to the SE version of CBBE.

And i am not aware of any download/patch having better BS files.

I am in the process of making a proper conversion, but i dont know yet if i will be allowed to upload it.

 

P.S. somebody please stop me if someone already made a proper conversion, or if somebody else is working on it.

 

https://www.loverslab.com/topic/94228-sse-conversion-tracking-mar-28-still-no-net-script-framework-hdt-is-buggy-see-first-post/

 

Search for "Note for Devious Devices SE:" in the opening post. You might try that first, then decide if you need to fix some things there.

[Roggvir]

1 hour ago, Tron91 said:

 

https://www.loverslab.com/topic/94228-sse-conversion-tracking-mar-28-still-no-net-script-framework-hdt-is-buggy-see-first-post/

 

Search for "Note for Devious Devices SE:" in the opening post. You might try that first, then decide if you need to fix some things there.

Thank you. The link goes directly to Mega, so i guess this is not an official download?

 

Anyway, i could offer better version of some files, or files not in the download:

 

CBBE Black & Red Latex Dress (+No Nipple Cover) - maybe just a tiny bit better (less to zero clipping between dress and fishnet bodysuit).

CBBE FormalAffair Heels - recreated with properly connecting seamless CBBE SE feet, instead of the old feet that doesnt fit.

CBBE Pink Zebra Mini Dress (+Topless) - with corrected smooth support straps (no zigzag deformation).

DDA - CBBE - LeatherArmCuffs - slimmer fit with no clipping
DDA - CBBE - LeatherLegCuffs - ...ditto

DDA - CBBE - PiercingsN - no unwanted deformation, regardless of slider combination, the piercings points straight down as they should.

DDA - CBBE - RestrictiveGloves - slimmer fit with no clipping

DDA - CBBE - RestrictiveCorset - slimmer fit with no clipping

DDA - CBBE - RestrictiveCorsetBelt (+Open) - slimmer fit with no clipping, rigid chastity belt (as if made from metal instead of rubber - causes some clipping, but still looks more realistic).

DDX - CBBE - EboniteArmbinder2 - very basic support for some arm/hand/forearm/wrist/shoulder sliders (very rudimentary, needs work, but better than nothing).

DDX - CBBE - EboniteArmCuffs - slimmer fit with no clipping

DDX - CBBE - EboniteLegCuffs - ...ditto

DDX - CBBE - EboniteHobbleDress (+Open) - utilizing all possible sliders (still need fixing some unwanted straps deformation at the back when using extreme sliders)

DDX - CBBE - EboniteStraitjacket (+Hobble/HobbleTopless/Topless) - ...ditto

DDX - CBBE - EboniteStraitjacketLegbinder (+Topless) - ...ditto

DDX - CBBE - LeatherHobbleDress (+Open) - ...ditto

DDX - CBBE - LeatherStraitjacket (+Hobble/HobbleTopless/Topless) - ...ditto

DDX - CBBE - LeatherStraitjacketLegbinder (+Topless) - ...ditto

DDX - CBBE - MXW Long Gloves - slimmer fit with no clipping.

 

I dont want to post just another download (i dont even have the permission to do so), but i wish there would be somebody in charge of this, to whom i could give the files and they would pick and choose what they think is worth including in some at least semi-official download.

Even if i could post this, i dont want to add yet another download link to confuse users, having them to sort through 100 files to pick and choose.

[Roggvir]

Regarding that problem with Bondage Mittens...

I can'ttell whether the inability to remove them is a bug, or a misunderstood feature.

Can somebody desribe/confirm how are the mittens supposed to work? can YOU get them off?

 

[Tron91]

@Roggvir

 

Those BS Files were the result of absence of newer CBBE SE BS files in DD when DD was ported to SE. So, in my opinion if someone has better BS Files, he is free and welcome to upload in here. Think you should talk with @Pfiffy, he probably knows best where those BS Files came from.

[monsta88]

On 3/26/2019 at 7:36 AM, morikawa said:

 

I have this issue too. I get around it by including the DD series as a subset of other groups (which allow me to select the preset I want), then batch building everything.

 

So far it's worked for MOST things, but there are outliers which just refuse to conform - specifically the Chastity Bra (the bottom half clips into the breast itself), the piercings (alignment is completely off from where the nipples are) and some of the corsets/harnesses (the belly area dips into the stomach when the player character breathes).

 

I've tried opening the offending items in outfit studio, loading a preset into the project, then saving the project and it makes things even worse (the alignment is even further off). FWIW, I'm currently use CBBE Fetish preset.

 

The BS Group handling is something I can't figure out since years. I have never ever been able to select a group for conversion, I always do only one or everything.

 

Instead I copied some Slider directories from Oldrim BS into the new SE BS and it actually gave me some conversion sliders. So far it seems to work, although I didn't have much time to test it.

[Pfiffy]

13 hours ago, Roggvir said:

Thank you. The link goes directly to Mega, so i guess this is not an official download?

 

Anyway, i could offer better version of some files, or files not in the download:

 

CBBE Black & Red Latex Dress (+No Nipple Cover) - maybe just a tiny bit better (less to zero clipping between dress and fishnet bodysuit).

CBBE FormalAffair Heels - recreated with properly connecting seamless CBBE SE feet, instead of the old feet that doesnt fit.

CBBE Pink Zebra Mini Dress (+Topless) - with corrected smooth support straps (no zigzag deformation).

DDA - CBBE - LeatherArmCuffs - slimmer fit with no clipping
DDA - CBBE - LeatherLegCuffs - ...ditto

DDA - CBBE - PiercingsN - no unwanted deformation, regardless of slider combination, the piercings points straight down as they should.

DDA - CBBE - RestrictiveGloves - slimmer fit with no clipping

DDA - CBBE - RestrictiveCorset - slimmer fit with no clipping

DDA - CBBE - RestrictiveCorsetBelt (+Open) - slimmer fit with no clipping, rigid chastity belt (as if made from metal instead of rubber - causes some clipping, but still looks more realistic).

DDX - CBBE - EboniteArmbinder2 - very basic support for some arm/hand/forearm/wrist/shoulder sliders (very rudimentary, needs work, but better than nothing).

DDX - CBBE - EboniteArmCuffs - slimmer fit with no clipping

DDX - CBBE - EboniteLegCuffs - ...ditto

DDX - CBBE - EboniteHobbleDress (+Open) - utilizing all possible sliders (still need fixing some unwanted straps deformation at the back when using extreme sliders)

DDX - CBBE - EboniteStraitjacket (+Hobble/HobbleTopless/Topless) - ...ditto

DDX - CBBE - EboniteStraitjacketLegbinder (+Topless) - ...ditto

DDX - CBBE - LeatherHobbleDress (+Open) - ...ditto

DDX - CBBE - LeatherStraitjacket (+Hobble/HobbleTopless/Topless) - ...ditto

DDX - CBBE - LeatherStraitjacketLegbinder (+Topless) - ...ditto

DDX - CBBE - MXW Long Gloves - slimmer fit with no clipping.

 

I dont want to post just another download (i dont even have the permission to do so), but i wish there would be somebody in charge of this, to whom i could give the files and they would pick and choose what they think is worth including in some at least semi-official download.

Even if i could post this, i dont want to add yet another download link to confuse users, having them to sort through 100 files to pick and choose.

send the link to me... 

 

[Roggvir]

On 3/31/2019 at 10:44 PM, Pfiffy said:

send the link to me...

Sorry, i got distracted by other things, and now i discovered a small clipping issue on the hobble dresses/jackets - i'll send the files after fixing this.

[Tron91]

1 hour ago, Roggvir said:

Sorry, i got distracted by other things, and now i discovered a small clipping issue on the hobble dresses/jackets - i'll send the files after fixing this.

Send the link to me as well.

[Guest]

To be honest, I fixed virtually all of my clipping issues simply by using UUNP with SSE instead of the new CBBE SE. I'm guessing not everyone wants to do this, but it's a simple solution. However, the non-clipping related problems like the straitjacket calves missing are still there.

 

If you want to know how to use UUNP with SSE, there's a simple guide here: https://www.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/comments/ac8bme/guide_how_to_make_uunp_and_uunp_ingame_morphs/

 

 

[monsta88]

1 hour ago, bluthhounder said:

To be honest, I fixed virtually all of my clipping issues simply by using UUNP with SSE instead of the new CBBE SE. I'm guessing not everyone wants to do this, but it's a simple solution. However, the non-clipping related problems like the straitjacket calves missing are still there.

 

If you want to know how to use UUNP with SSE, there's a simple guide here: https://www.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/comments/ac8bme/guide_how_to_make_uunp_and_uunp_ingame_morphs/

 

 

I followed this guide and made perfect fitting DDs with it, so kudos.

 

But... how do I do physics now? I chose the HDT UUNP body, but nothing moves.

[Guest]

55 minutes ago, monsta88 said:

I followed this guide and made perfect fitting DDs with it, so kudos.

 

But... how do I do physics now? I chose the HDT UUNP body, but nothing moves.

I didn't have that problem. Are you using cbpc or hdt? Also, I chose the UUNP Special body, haven't tried the HDT one. Although, I'm pretty sure they're the same except for the vagina physics. I'm using CBPC for body physics as well.

 

If you're using HDT, I think that you might need a specific HDT-SMP config for body physics. There's already one for CBBE SE, but since UUNP isn't officially ported to SSE I don't think one exists, although I haven't tried looking. If this is indeed your problem, then I should say that it's also possible to use CBPC for body physics while using HDT-SMP for clothing/hair physics. This should also give you better performance since HDT-SMP can cause some serious fps drops sometimes. I don't know exactly how though, you'd have to google it. I think it revolves around installing both and then deleting the hdt-smp file specifically for body physics.

[monsta88]

17 hours ago, bluthhounder said:

I didn't have that problem. Are you using cbpc or hdt? Also, I chose the UUNP Special body, haven't tried the HDT one. Although, I'm pretty sure they're the same except for the vagina physics. I'm using CBPC for body physics as well.

 

If you're using HDT, I think that you might need a specific HDT-SMP config for body physics. There's already one for CBBE SE, but since UUNP isn't officially ported to SSE I don't think one exists, although I haven't tried looking. If this is indeed your problem, then I should say that it's also possible to use CBPC for body physics while using HDT-SMP for clothing/hair physics. This should also give you better performance since HDT-SMP can cause some serious fps drops sometimes. I don't know exactly how though, you'd have to google it. I think it revolves around installing both and then deleting the hdt-smp file specifically for body physics.

Thanks for the answer.

 

I'm actually using the combo you mentioned, SMP for clothing, CBPC for body. And I know extremely well how bad can be SMP for body physics, it took 2 weeks until I figured out why my game slows down randomly to 3 fps...

 

Yesterday I didn't have time to experiment, but I'll see what I can do now.

 

Update: I managed to do it! I had the CBPC with collision earlier, now I went back to regular CBP Physics and it works.

 

Thanks,

M

[greatdoggo]

hello~ are heretic things still causing CTD?

[Pfiffy]

On 4/3/2019 at 5:27 PM, Zagzaguel said:

Something I have to take care of to use both together? 

Ask in the HDT for SE thread... 

[Fish0]

Armbinders aren't working for me, I put them on but my character's arms still display like normal.

[Dcasteel7]

Im CTDing during the loading screen when selecting either new game or load game. Im posting this here because it only happens with Devious Devices checked. When I uncheck Devious Devices, no CTD. I have all the required mods installed, Ive ran everything through LOOT and FNIS, and the SKSE64.log even says that all plugins are loaded correctly. It said the DD plugins were loaded correctly too which is weird. Any help here? Thanks in advance.

[Pfiffy]

What say FNIS? You have a lot of heavy stuff running, maybe DD ist the little thing to much...

[Dcasteel7]

40 minutes ago, Pfiffy said:

What say FNIS? You have a lot of heavy stuff running, maybe DD ist the little thing to much...

FNIS runs fine, no errors. My game loads up fine and runs fine with DD unchecked. And then when I check DD, I get a Ctd. 

[Pfiffy]

9 minutes ago, Dcasteel7 said:

FNIS runs fine, no errors. My game loads up fine and runs fine with DD unchecked. And then when I check DD, I get a Ctd. 

The problem is simply too many animations.... with over 17000 anims installed it is no wonder that it will crash....

[Dcasteel7]

22 minutes ago, Pfiffy said:

The problem is simply too many animations.... with over 17000 anims installed it is no wonder that it will crash....

Ill get rid of some and my results will be forthcoming.

[Dcasteel7]

Wow. That was the problem. Way too many animations. I got it down to 10,000 anims. Not only does DD work but the game doesnt lag anymore. Thank you so much for your help Pfiffy!!!

[Roggvir]

It may not be for everyone, but i recommend customizing the animation packs you are using by removing animations you dont need or dont like (edit the source TXT, use the Python script to rebuild the JSON, rebuild the behavior files, and then run FNIS for users).

I am using almost all the packs that are floating around here on LL, but i still got the number of anims somewhere under 7000 by using only the anims i want (when you realize that for example SL cant even support 5p animations and you remove those - that is 5 times number of stages, times number of "animations", do the same for most of the 4p anims, because lets face it, most of them are a mess anyway, then maybe you decide you dont need horse animations, or skeevers, etc.).

That being said, i wouldn't recommend messing with it unless you really know what you are doing, because if you break the game, you'll be pretty much on your own.

It was quite a chore to filter those animations and rebuild everything, but if you can do it, you will be rewarded with smoother running game (or working game at least, for some of you :))