Devious Devices SE

[zarantha]

6 hours ago, Starphyre said:

@zarantha Thank you for the response. I elected to restart after all. I wanted to expand what I was seeing in game, so I also added a half dozen new mods.  Somehow I don't think my physics are working though. Not sure if I did something wrong during the batch build. 

Everything showed up fine for me during the Delivery Refused section of the game, but no breast jiggle, and I installed some SMP hair and it's not moving either

 

Try both naked and clothed. If you have no breast jiggle while naked, make sure you built the physics or special body in bodyslide.

If there's still no physics, are you using an older pc? You might need the no avx version. You can check if the HDT SMP dll is loading in the skse64.log in \Documents\My Games\Skyrim Special Edition\SKSE

 

If naked physics work, then make sure you built HDT versions of the outfits, when there is an option. If there's no option, the outfit should have the breast weighting by default for physics.

[serranna]

6 hours ago, Elsidia said:

You can blame me if i wrong, but only by use DCL 9.0

Maybe it's spawn in chests but maybe it's spawn from Whip and Chain inn key packages and probably it can be get as reward for Whip and Chains inn mini games.

 

I my playthrough i got 1 furniture key, but don't remember where. Probably in Whip and Chain inn.

 

UPD: By check DCL 9.0 i can officially say, that this key is in Whip and Chain inn reward list. And only there. Probably that means that only here furniture key can be got.

 

 

That makes sense considering I only went inside the Inn once time, and it was during the beta test.

 

[Starphyre]

5 hours ago, zarantha said:

 

Try both naked and clothed. If you have no breast jiggle while naked, make sure you built the physics or special body in bodyslide.

If there's still no physics, are you using an older pc? You might need the no avx version. You can check if the HDT SMP dll is loading in the skse64.log in \Documents\My Games\Skyrim Special Edition\SKSE

 

If naked physics work, then make sure you built HDT versions of the outfits, when there is an option. If there's no option, the outfit should have the breast weighting by default for physics.

I can't find an SKSE64.log that's dated later than 2019. There's a SKSE64.txt dated this morning at 6:12 which is when I signed off this morning, and it appears log-like, so I'll guess that's it. A ctrl-F on both HDT and SMP returned no results, so I'll guess that's the problem. My comp was built in early 2019...I guess I didn't think that was 'old'. It is an i5 CPU though I'll try installing the 'no avx' version. In theory I shouldn't have to rebuild the outfits, cause I already built the HDT versions. Is that correct, or should I do it again anyway?

[Starphyre]

5 hours ago, zarantha said:

 

Try both naked and clothed. If you have no breast jiggle while naked, make sure you built the physics or special body in bodyslide.

If there's still no physics, are you using an older pc? You might need the no avx version. You can check if the HDT SMP dll is loading in the skse64.log in \Documents\My Games\Skyrim Special Edition\SKSE

 

If naked physics work, then make sure you built HDT versions of the outfits, when there is an option. If there's no option, the outfit should have the breast weighting by default for physics.

 

checking plugin C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Skyrim Special Edition\Data\SKSE\Plugins\\hdtSMP64.dll
registering plugin listener for SKSE at 5 of 6
plugin C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Skyrim Special Edition\Data\SKSE\Plugins\\hdtSMP64.dll (00000001 hdtSSEPhysics 00000001) loaded correctly (handle 5)

 

This is there.  But no physics.

 

 

I rebuilt the naked body. Still no physics.

[zarantha]

  

3 hours ago, Starphyre said:

I can't find an SKSE64.log that's dated later than 2019

 

If it's not updating every time you run skyrim then you have a problem with skse itself, or you aren't launching the game using the skse launcher. Make sure you are following the install instructions for skse for the mod manager you are using. When launching the game, your mod manager should be using skse_launcher not the skyrim launcher.

 

3 hours ago, Starphyre said:

My comp was built in early 2019

No avx would be 2011 or earlier, so that's probably not it.

 

2 hours ago, Starphyre said:

 

I rebuilt the naked body. Still no physics.

 

I've never tried building when the outfit/body name is in brackets. That means that that particular body or outfit is not in the selected groups. I wouldn't have thought it would work, and i'm not sure it is even though the pop would usually mean it was built successfully.

 

Try hitting the grey x to the right side of the field where it says "Bikini Replacer". This should clear the selected groups and make everything available in the outfit/body list. Then try building the body one more time.

 

[shiftbitlogic]

Quick question for the DD crew... I have  noticed that some of the world Contraptions placed by DD 5.1 seem to have their textures not loading correctly. (It must be one of the layers not loading correctly, because I am seeing them in various blends of shades of greens and purples and other times, as nearly invisible, save for shades of black...

 

Is there a way that I can regenerate these textures?

[Starphyre]

1 hour ago, zarantha said:

  

 

If it's not updating every time you run skyrim then you have a problem with skse itself, or you aren't launching the game using the skse launcher. Make sure you are following the install instructions for skse for the mod manager you are using. When launching the game, your mod manager should be using skse_launcher not the skyrim launcher.

 

No avx would be 2011 or earlier, so that's probably not it.

 

 

I've never tried building when the outfit/body name is in brackets. That means that that particular body or outfit is not in the selected groups. I wouldn't have thought it would work, and i'm not sure it is even though the pop would usually mean it was built successfully.

 

Try hitting the grey x to the right side of the field where it says "Bikini Replacer". This should clear the selected groups and make everything available in the outfit/body list. Then try building the body one more time.

 

 

I'm launching through Vortex, using the SKSE launcher. I was going to verify it, but I can't seem to figure out how to get the tool button to tell me what it's pointing to. The icon looks kinda like a blue dot matrix printer though.  I've pasted you part of my last (at the time) SKSE log, which was timestamped this morning. I switched back to the regular HDT SMP mod.

 

I didn't know that was an issue with bodyslide. I'll probably rebuild everything and make sure that group selector is cleared. However I DID rebuild the naked body with the group selector cleared, and I'm still not seeing physics. Just to be sure that maybe my model's not exactly huge chest might be too small to see it (even though she's about a D) I made the breasts ridiculously massive in racemenu and no, there's no physics.

 

Edit: I found it. I'm using the SKSE launcher.

 

[zarantha]

2 hours ago, shiftbitlogic said:

Quick question for the DD crew... I have  noticed that some of the world Contraptions placed by DD 5.1 seem to have their textures not loading correctly. (It must be one of the layers not loading correctly, because I am seeing them in various blends of shades of greens and purples and other times, as nearly invisible, save for shades of black...

 

Is there a way that I can regenerate these textures?

 

which contraptions? can you click on it while in the console and get the id? we can try verifying it.

 

I haven't seen complaints of missing textures here or in the LE thread. This is likely an install error with DD. Try reinstalling.

[Tron91]

Spoiler

6 hours ago, Starphyre said:

 

checking plugin C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Skyrim Special Edition\Data\SKSE\Plugins\\hdtSMP64.dll
registering plugin listener for SKSE at 5 of 6
plugin C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Skyrim Special Edition\Data\SKSE\Plugins\\hdtSMP64.dll (00000001 hdtSSEPhysics 00000001) loaded correctly (handle 5)

 

This is there.  But no physics.

 

 

I rebuilt the naked body. Still no physics.

 

 

Do you have CBBE SMP (3BBB) or CBBE 3BA (3BBB) installed?

[zarantha]

2 hours ago, Starphyre said:

 

I'm launching through Vortex, using the SKSE launcher. I was going to verify it, but I can't seem to figure out how to get the tool button to tell me what it's pointing to. The icon looks kinda like a blue dot matrix printer though.  I've pasted you part of my last (at the time) SKSE log, which was timestamped this morning. I switched back to the regular HDT SMP mod.

 

I didn't know that was an issue with bodyslide. I'll probably rebuild everything and make sure that group selector is cleared. However I DID rebuild the naked body with the group selector cleared, and I'm still not seeing physics. Just to be sure that maybe my model's not exactly huge chest might be too small to see it (even though she's about a D) I made the breasts ridiculously massive in racemenu and no, there's no physics.

 

Edit: I found it. I'm using the SKSE launcher.

 

 

 

Do you have XPMSE installed? Nothing overwriting the skeleton?

Are you using the basic CBBE body, or are you using 3BBB or CBBE SMP?

Do you have CBPC installed?

 

If you're doing straight HDT SMP (no CBPC), do you have a defaultBBPs.xml?

It should be in \SKSE\Plugins\hdtSkinnedMeshConfigs

 

It used to be included with HDT SMP, but not too long ago they decided that file belongs with the bodies. 3BBB and CBBE SMP come with their own, for the basic CBBE body I just realized it's not there. So that's probably it.

 

The 3bbb body i use is a mix of SMP and CBPC (better performance when everything isn't SMP). So I attached the HDT configs folder (in case you don't have it) from CBBE SMP, which should be SMP only.

 

hdtSkinnedMeshConfigs.7z

[Starphyre]

XPMSE installed, no other mods touching the skeleton. I'm using basic CBBE and no CBPC. 

There's no XML in the hdtskinnedmeshconfigs folder.

 

Do I put all those xml's that are in the zip into that folder, or just the defaultBBPs?

 

SHOULD I get 3bbb, or cbbe smp? I dislike overly complicated setups, so I was trying to keep it as simple as I could.  (Or CBPC, for that matter?)

 

EDIT: OMG there's JIGGLING!

 

Thanks so much for your help!!!

 

So, Um. I hate to dive from one issue to another. But this time I'm not sure it's on my end.  As I said earlier, I read the last 20-25 pages to make sure what I was going to ask about wasn't already covered. One thing I read was about people who had mouths not opening for gags, but had mfgfix installed. I noticed this while playing tonight.

 

I was fiddling around in the whips n chains Inn, and played Tamara's struggle-game. this happened with the gag she equipped on me. 

 

 

Spoiler

I was fiddling around in the whips n chains Inn, and played Tamara's struggle-game. this happened with the gag she equipped on me. 

 

However, my own ebonite harness ball gag works fine.

 

[Elsidia]

9 minutes ago, Starphyre said:

SHOULD I get 3bbb, or cbbe smp? I dislike overly complicated setups, so I was trying to keep it as simple as I could.  (Or CBPC, for that matter?)

I think it's enough to put skinned mesh config files to match path to start physics.

 

If not then you need to play with skinned mesh config  settings and outfit studio. In short.

[shiftbitlogic]

3 hours ago, zarantha said:

 

which contraptions? can you click on it while in the console and get the id? we can try verifying it.

 

I haven't seen complaints of missing textures here or in the LE thread. This is likely an install error with DD. Try reinstalling.

 

I have freshly installed DD 5.1 and will dig into this idea. If I continue to see the offending devices, I will post their IDs and as much addition information as I can gather from SSE, etc.

As always, you all rock, the mods you make are amazing, and I only look for ways I can help you make them better.

 

Keep up the good work!!

[zarantha]

42 minutes ago, Starphyre said:

XPMSE installed, no other mods touching the skeleton. I'm using basic CBBE and no CBPC. 

There's no XML in the hdtskinnedmeshconfigs folder.

 

Do I put all those xml's that are in the zip into that folder, or just the defaultBBPs?

 

SHOULD I get 3bbb, or cbbe smp? I dislike overly complicated setups, so I was trying to keep it as simple as I could.  (Or CBPC, for that matter?)

 

EDIT: OMG there's JIGGLING!

 

Thanks so much for your help!!!

 

So, Um. I hate to dive from one issue to another. But this time I'm not sure it's on my end.  As I said earlier, I read the last 20-25 pages to make sure what I was going to ask about wasn't already covered. One thing I read was about people who had mouths not opening for gags, but had mfgfix installed. I noticed this while playing tonight.

 

I was fiddling around in the whips n chains Inn, and played Tamara's struggle-game. this happened with the gag she equipped on me. 

 

 

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I was fiddling around in the whips n chains Inn, and played Tamara's struggle-game. this happened with the gag she equipped on me. 

 

However, my own ebonite harness ball gag works fine.

 

 

CBPC would have gotten you the jiggling without the xmls. But getting it to work with SMP takes a bit of work editing those same xmls. That's where 3BBB comes in. It provides pre-edited XMLs that allow you to use CBPC and it's light weight physics for most of the body, and keeps the SMP limited to breasts or breasts + a few other body parts. The more SMP is used, the higher you will potentially be hit on framerate. If you find that SMP is hitting your game too hard, I'd recommend getting 3BBB and CBPC to improve performance in that area.

 

CBBE SMP is probably where you should have started, if you want an SMP only configuration. If you want to tweak those XMLs, download the CBBE SMP mod and install over the top of CBBE or have it overwrite CBBE, as the fomod has several options for configuring the bounce. I usually lean towards the firm rather than the jello jiggles, so that's what those XMLs are set for.

 

For the new issue, where NPCs aren't changing expression, I'm not certain there's much to do. NPCs will sometimes not stay in poses like the armbinders, due to their packages overriding DD's. There's no way to fix this completely without potentially breaking the NPC completely. I would think expressions would fall under the same category. For example, they could apply the correct expression initially, but then you talk to them or they just start commenting on things and when they are done it doesn't reset to the mouth open position. And if you block their dialog completely, you're going to break some quests if the wrong NPC gets gagged.

 

Short term, try leaving the world cell or room and then come back. that should force a reset.

[Tron91]

@Kimy

 

Can the Device Hider be tweaked to only work on DD items and not other normal armors? Recently I downloaded a mod whose Skirt slot conflicted with the ones used by Corset and Harness, so before activating the Device Hiding if there is a check for the DD keywords would be great.

[Starphyre]

14 hours ago, zarantha said:

 

CBPC would have gotten you the jiggling without the xmls. But getting it to work with SMP takes a bit of work editing those same xmls. That's where 3BBB comes in. It provides pre-edited XMLs that allow you to use CBPC and it's light weight physics for most of the body, and keeps the SMP limited to breasts or breasts + a few other body parts. The more SMP is used, the higher you will potentially be hit on framerate. If you find that SMP is hitting your game too hard, I'd recommend getting 3BBB and CBPC to improve performance in that area.

 

CBBE SMP is probably where you should have started, if you want an SMP only configuration. If you want to tweak those XMLs, download the CBBE SMP mod and install over the top of CBBE or have it overwrite CBBE, as the fomod has several options for configuring the bounce. I usually lean towards the firm rather than the jello jiggles, so that's what those XMLs are set for.

 

For the new issue, where NPCs aren't changing expression, I'm not certain there's much to do. NPCs will sometimes not stay in poses like the armbinders, due to their packages overriding DD's. There's no way to fix this completely without potentially breaking the NPC completely. I would think expressions would fall under the same category. For example, they could apply the correct expression initially, but then you talk to them or they just start commenting on things and when they are done it doesn't reset to the mouth open position. And if you block their dialog completely, you're going to break some quests if the wrong NPC gets gagged.

 

Short term, try leaving the world cell or room and then come back. that should force a reset.

The jiggle amount seems just right for me. Not overdone on the breasts, barely there on the bottom. I'll probably run with it, my comp is pretty beefy. I only lag in huge particle games like BL3 on Mayhem 10. Or I may look at CBBE SMP over the weekend when I have more time to fiddle. 

 

Thanks for the help, and the information.

[Elsidia]

9 hours ago, Starphyre said:

my comp is pretty beefy

With HDT SMP you can got lags in Skyrim even on six core CPU. I got it. I fix it by reset SMP in console by zarantha advise.

 

[serranna]

On 5/6/2021 at 9:30 PM, zarantha said:

 

which contraptions? can you click on it while in the console and get the id? we can try verifying it.

 

I haven't seen complaints of missing textures here or in the LE thread. This is likely an install error with DD. Try reinstalling.

 

I can vouch for having seen this happen as well. I had a bounty in whiterun one time and got sent to the stocks in town. The contraption was invisible when I got locked in it. There was some other funny behavior going on but I didn't think much of it, I just loaded an earlier save and the arrest initiated something different. It was the only time I had any issues with furniture and I have since tested that particular stock in town and it worked just fine so I never bothered to mention it. Seems like a rare issue whatever it is. Would be hard to duplicate.

 

[effrenatus]

Hello!

Every time I ask an npc to remove a collar or something from me, I immediately get new level(s?) in Speechcraft (even if they do not help me). But this skill raise appears terribly cheap to me and I really don't want it!

Is that from this mod? And how can I deactivate that?

 

Sorry if that has been asked before... I am also not entirely sure which mod does this, i hope you have a hint for me.

Thank you for your help!

[shiftbitlogic]

12 hours ago, serranna said:

 

I can vouch for having seen this happen as well. I had a bounty in whiterun one time and got sent to the stocks in town. The contraption was invisible when I got locked in it. There was some other funny behavior going on but I didn't think much of it, I just loaded an earlier save and the arrest initiated something different. It was the only time I had any issues with furniture and I have since tested that particular stock in town and it worked just fine so I never bothered to mention it. Seems like a rare issue whatever it is. Would be hard to duplicate.

 

 

 

Per my imperative to follow up on this, see the screenshot below. (This was taken in Riften's Ratway.) The ID of this device as I understand it is 11001da3
 

Would you be shocked to know that in my Load order, DD (5.1) is NOT responsible for placing this particular device. This device was most likely placed by Skyrim Chainbeasts, as it shares the same load order prefix. 11xxxxxx with other elements from that mod. I will try to dig deeper into what meshes / textures are being used here.... but it is MOST LIKELY a result of either a misuse of a NIF, or a missed conversion from LE. 

 

[zarantha]

3 hours ago, shiftbitlogic said:

 

 

Per my imperative to follow up on this, see the screenshot below. (This was taken in Riften's Ratway.) The ID of this device as I understand it is 11001da3
 

Would you be shocked to know that in my Load order, DD (5.1) is NOT responsible for placing this particular device. This device was most likely placed by Skyrim Chainbeasts, as it shares the same load order prefix. 11xxxxxx with other elements from that mod. I will try to dig deeper into what meshes / textures are being used here.... but it is MOST LIKELY a result of either a misuse of a NIF, or a missed conversion from LE. 

 

 

 

I've seen that rainbow type texture with some of billy's anim objects too. Haven't really tried tracking it down as at other times it loads correctly. I'm suspecting a temporary issue of some sort.

 

If it's the chainbeasts sse version, try asking in there. It might also be worth it to try optimizing the textures again in CAO or check them with the texture option in nif optimizer.

[llokii70]

I have a two questions and they may be dumb ones. First off huge thanks to Kimy and all her crew for creating 5.1 all in one. Your work is greatly appreciated. I know dealing with people on here sometimes is frustrating. Thanks

 

1) After the 5.1 all in one is there a need to install Inte's Equip? I wasn't sure but if you do try to install it. You get a message stating there is already a newer version installed so of course I clicked cancelled till I could post this.

 

2) Also currently under the MCM Menu  it shows nothing under Actor Selected Menu and under the System Menu for DDa, DDi, DDx it states version not found for each and Actor Selection states None.

 

Also sorry I know I said I had but I have one more. The new all in one also installs Contraptions and Device Devices for Him?:

 

Thanks again for your hard work

llokii

[Elsidia]

On 5/8/2021 at 9:16 AM, serranna said:

I can vouch for having seen this happen as well

I have own adventure with contraceptions device and can only guess.

Lower is only my thought without any proof.

 

Invisibility of devices happens when skse runs out memory or due to high load CPU by scripts lag. or due to heavy modded Skyrim

I have only DCL requirements in my game and no one device in cities not invisible. Also guards me put in devices in right way.

 

Invisibility happens (device is disable while Skyrim try to resolve all running scripts) When it happen - device show up visible. If you in this process, save your game and exit from Skyrim, when you load this save, device stays invisible (disabled) forever. To fix it you need know this device placeable reference, prid it and enable. Then device shows up.

 

But about me. Whip and chains inn have high script and load issue and there most of NPC decorative furniture is invisible. Sometimes if you wait into inn about 10 minutes it's loads and devices show up. But mostly those devices you need reactive by console. Those are invisible and start generated DCL papyrus log errors. Solution: After fix all devices and exit from inn, save a game and never enter into inn. Or you will be force repeat this process again.

 

 

Lower are more facts about Skyrim, not my thoughts.

 

But missing textures (it's looks like device are violet) no way happens to me. If device is invisible there is two reasons:

1) device is disabled due to script loading lag (see above)

2) Device is missing meshes (contraception not installed in correct way)

 

If devices look purple color - that is missing textures

 

 

 

[Elsidia]

3 hours ago, llokii70 said:

The new all in one also installs Contraptions and Device Devices for Him?:

if you use some fomod installer include in mod installers (like MO2 or Vortex) in installation process it's ask you to install For him (if i remember right you need check or uncheck checkbox (default is checked) ) As for contraception's it's install always - now it's part of DD what can't be skipped.

 

3 hours ago, llokii70 said:

it shows nothing under Actor Selected Menu

What is Actor selected menu and from what mod is it?

 

 

[Elsidia]

14 hours ago, shiftbitlogic said:

11001da3

Where you found that device? id isn't legal if it's from DCL mod. your DCL hex load order is 11? Or even say what mod in you game have mod load order 11?

I search all Riften's Ratway and in place similar to screenshot no any pillory. That's means that this pillory is added from another mod (because i need you mod hex load number) or in my game this device is disabled by heavy script loading. because i need find from xedit this id number. DCL doesn't have it. As contraception's too.