Devious Devices SE

[WhatRules]

2 hours ago, zarantha said:

 

Ok, downloaded 5.1 again just now, to make it fair.

Then loaded up UNP. Batch built to the UNPBB preset and the UNP Special body.

 

I have:

UNP Female Body Renewal

Bodyslide and Outfit Studio - Legacy UUNP (for SE)

DD 5.1 with UNP options. BRRF and For Him installed.

 

I am not seeing any clipping with the DDa devices. Here's a selection of the restrictive DDa stuff.

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Here's the same stuff from DDx in ebonite

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If you have a custom preset, you'll likely need to add the DD groups to your preset.

If you have an extreme preset, you may need to fix it yourself.

 

Of course I'm using a preset. That's the whole point with bodyslide. Building basic UNP meshes without slider adjustment isn't proof of anything. Try adjusting several sliders to 100% and see if you get an effect.

 

I don't use boring skinny unp bodies in my game. I have BHUNP and a curvy preset and I tried resaving it for the DD groups. I click "save as" and tick the boxes in front of those groups, but the sliders still doesn't do anything. It doesn't matter if I pick my preset or any standard UUNP body. Maybe you can also explain why it works for DDX and not DDA?

[zarantha]

21 minutes ago, Intronacious said:

 

Of course I'm using a preset. That's the whole point with bodyslide. Building basic UNP meshes without slider adjustment isn't proof of anything. Try adjusting several sliders to 100% and see if you get an effect.

 

I don't use boring skinny unp bodies in my game. I have BHUNP and a curvy preset and I tried resaving it for the DD groups. I click "save as" and tick the boxes in front of those groups, but the sliders still doesn't do anything. It doesn't matter if I pick my preset or any standard UUNP body. Maybe you can also explain why it works for DDX and not DDA?

 

No, that's not what I meant at all. I meant did you modify the sliders to make your own preset instead of using the built in ones. Extreme presets don't conform as well as the default ones.

If you aren't using a custom preset, I could test with that exact preset instead of picking one at random. I actually prefer CBBE.

 

All I'm saying is that the basic UNP body with a default, non-extreme preset (boring if you must say so, whatever dude) works just fine.

I redid with BHUNP and Manga preset, and the UNP special body. The reason I did not do the BHUNP body is because DD does not contain BHUNP bodyslides, just UNP. That matters.

The only clipping I see is due to the extreme size of the breasts. This is an example of something you'd need to fix manually in outfit studio.

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Breasts clipping because they're too big

 

 

Everything else is fine, including the gloves you were complaining about.

 

 

Since you are using BHUNP, make sure you grabbed the BHUNP conversion. Otherwise you will see clipping due to HDT weights. This is not a conformance issue, just a difference between the UNP breast bones and BHUNP breast bones and other weight painting. And just like the 3BBB conversion, the BHUNP conversion does not contain the new outfits, since it's for 4.3. Still, it will fix most weight painting for the outfits.

https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/10729-bhunp-3bbb-bodyslide-collection/

 

If you do have the BHUNP bodyslides, and still see an issue, then you'll need to ask on the BHUNP DD Bodyslide page.

 

Yes, I do see movement when moving the sliders in the preview and in Bodyslide. If you aren't seeing movement, make sure you do High weight at 100 in the preview and Low weight at 0 on the preview.

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Manga High

 

 

Manga Low

 

 

Setting the 'Low' slider to zero

 

 

If none of that helps, then:

 

Reinstall bodyslide and DD. Make sure you picked UNP both times in the installer. For bodyslide, make sure you got the UNP files.

Make sure you don't have anything in your skyrim data folder if you using MO2. If you have vortex undeploy everything and make sure there's no leftovers in the skyrim data folder.

Clear out the overwrite folder, or clear out your bodyslide output folder and regenerate just one of the problem outfits. make sure the path is right. after that, you can batch build everything, and make sure build morphs is checked.

You could have something old for just dda leftover somewhere and overwriting the new files, or you have ddx saved somewhere correctly, but have since messed up your bodyslide outputs so everything new is not going to the right place.

 

[Hamakabula]

Trying to get this to run with Aylis' modlist but running into animation errors. No t-pose (idles work) but the character just floats around. No walking/jumping/combat animations

 

The mods i'd like to use are (in that LO):

 

Devious Devices (5.1 merged SE version).esm

SD+

SD Customisation Addons

Devious Devices.esp

Slaverun Reloaded

Simple Slavery Plus

Immerslave

 

So far I've moved the Devious devices .esm's to the top of the load order and have everything else ordered as shown above, BELOW the last sexlab mod in Aylis' order (so SL, SLAL, ZAZ etc are above, as is XPME32 and all the other animations, while the FNIS and Nemesis overwrites are below). To use FNIS and Nemesis together I am using the method described in Aylis thread (enable & run FNIS, disable it, enable and run Nemesis, activate both overrides), which seems to work fine. Animation errors only start once I add the additional sexlab mods

 

Any tips would be much appreciated

 

Edit: The problem seems to be related to Nemesis. If anyone knows how to run Devious Devices with it I'd appreciate it

 

[WhatRules]

1 hour ago, zarantha said:

 

No, that's not what I meant at all. I meant did you modify the sliders to make your own preset instead of using the built in ones. Extreme presets don't conform as well as the default ones.

If you aren't using a custom preset, I could test with that exact preset instead of picking one at random. I actually prefer CBBE.

 

All I'm saying is that the basic UNP body with a default, non-extreme preset (boring if you must say so, whatever dude) works just fine.

I redid with BHUNP and Manga preset, and the UNP special body. The reason I did not do the BHUNP body is because DD does not contain BHUNP bodyslides, just UNP. That matters.

The only clipping I see is due to the extreme size of the breasts. This is an example of something you'd need to fix manually in outfit studio.

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Breasts clipping because they're too big

 

 

Everything else is fine, including the gloves you were complaining about.

 

 

Since you are using BHUNP, make sure you grabbed the BHUNP conversion. Otherwise you will see clipping due to HDT weights. This is not a conformance issue, just a difference between the UNP breast bones and BHUNP breast bones and other weight painting. And just like the 3BBB conversion, the BHUNP conversion does not contain the new outfits, since it's for 4.3. Still, it will fix most weight painting for the outfits.

https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/10729-bhunp-3bbb-bodyslide-collection/

 

If you do have the BHUNP bodyslides, and still see an issue, then you'll need to ask on the BHUNP DD Bodyslide page.

 

Now we're talking. The BHUNP bodyslides solved the issue (I didn't even know they existed). They conform to the sliders compared to the UUNP ones that didn't conform at all. So it wasn't a matter of not conforming well or having minor clipping that I can fix myself.

 

What's strange is that I could build the DDA outfits in a previous version of DD just fine. Actually I think it was v5.0 even. I don't know if something changed or if it was caused by moving mods around, but I checked that nothing was overwriting DD. Whatever... ?‍♂️

 

Thanks a lot for taking the time to help. I'd give you 5 thumbs up if I could.

[zarantha]

7 hours ago, Hamakabula said:

 

Edit: The problem seems to be related to Nemesis. If anyone knows how to run Devious Devices with it I'd appreciate it

 

For the ones that have it working 'it just works'. I don't consider nemesis supported with DD due to the number of other folks I've seen (including myself) where it doesn't work.

It may be the total number of animations, or maybe just the presence of creature animations even if it won't do anything with them, I don't know.

[?????]

On 3/22/2021 at 1:57 PM, zarantha said:

 

Check known issues in the troubleshooting post for known conflicts.

 

 

Checked it, didn't helped. I can't even leave my inventory after clicking on one of the items from DD because of this messages/popups.

And I already tried reinstalling.

Papyrus.3.log

[yeetwawawa]

On 3/26/2021 at 7:57 PM, zarantha said:

 

Are you using the Nexus version of HDT SMP? You don't have HDTHH installed too, do you?

yup , no HDTHH and nexus version of HDT SMP.

[zarantha]

1 hour ago, Ɲσχтυяη said:

 

Checked it, didn't helped. I can't even leave my inventory after clicking on one of the items from DD because of this messages/popups.

And I already tried reinstalling.

Papyrus.3.log 348.37 kB · 0 downloads

 

I don't remember. Do you see it on a new game, or with only DD and it's requirements?

No old DD patches installed?

Nothing overwriting DD?

Did you remove DD 4.3 if you had it before installing 5.1?

 

 

Looks like zadlibs may be incorrect:

 

ERROR: Method ReEquipExistingDevice not found on zadlibs. Aborting call and returning None

ERROR: Method CleanupDevices not found on zadlibs. Aborting call and returning None

 

I'd expect this with an old DD version of that script, or an old SLIF patch. If you use SLIF, i've got updated patches on the troubleshooting post.

[zarantha]

1 hour ago, yeetwawawa said:

yup , no HDTHH and nexus version of HDT SMP.

 

I don't know what to say. The boots all started working for me after installing racemenu heels, and before that, the ones that were built in bodyslide were working even if others weren't.

 

Maybe do another batch build, and make sure you do the hdt or no hdt chains group, as the heretic restrictive boots are in there? shouldn't matter which one you pick, just rebuild them.

[MRGBHC]

Tried to update from 4.3 to current. Installed new and deleted old before testing (oops). Turn out save game won't load now and I can't find old. HELP! Save game loads fine if I simply disable DD.

[zarantha]

1 hour ago, MRGBHC said:

Tried to update from 4.3 to current. Installed new and deleted old before testing (oops). Turn out save game won't load now and I can't find old. HELP! Save game loads fine if I simply disable DD.

 

New game is required for DD 5.x and DCL 9.0. You should not use a save that had an older version of DD installed ever.

[?????]

2 hours ago, zarantha said:

 

I don't remember. Do you see it on a new game, or with only DD and it's requirements?

No old DD patches installed?

Nothing overwriting DD?

Did you remove DD 4.3 if you had it before installing 5.1?

 

 

Looks like zadlibs may be incorrect:

 

ERROR: Method ReEquipExistingDevice not found on zadlibs. Aborting call and returning None

ERROR: Method CleanupDevices not found on zadlibs. Aborting call and returning None

 

I'd expect this with an old DD version of that script, or an old SLIF patch. If you use SLIF, i've got updated patches on the troubleshooting post.

 

I will check that tommorow again, thanks. I had 5.0 before installed.

[yeetwawawa]

4 hours ago, zarantha said:

 

I don't know what to say. The boots all started working for me after installing racemenu heels, and before that, the ones that were built in bodyslide were working even if others weren't.

 

Maybe do another batch build, and make sure you do the hdt or no hdt chains group, as the heretic restrictive boots are in there? shouldn't matter which one you pick, just rebuild them.

ok , so i was tinkering a little bit with bodyslide. it seems that bhunp conversion(i forgot to mention about bhunp, sorry) is doing something with it, because when i build the UUNP version, heels do work(except for bhunp physics, of course), but when i build the bhunp conversion one, heels stop working, but physics begin to work. 

any ideas? ty in advance.

UPD : seems like the bhunp conversion was the problem, got solved it by multiple batch builds in bodyslide. 

[zarantha]

1 hour ago, yeetwawawa said:

ok , so i was tinkering a little bit with bodyslide. it seems that bhunp conversion(i forgot to mention about bhunp, sorry) is doing something with it, because when i build the UUNP version, heels do work(except for bhunp physics, of course), but when i build the bhunp conversion one, heels stop working, but physics begin to work. 

any ideas? ty in advance.

UPD : seems like the bhunp conversion was the problem, got solved it by multiple batch builds in bodyslide. 

 

My best guess would be to just open it in outfit studio and resave the project again. I've had outfit studio want to convert meshes to SE thinking they're LE, even if I already converted them. Maybe some tinkering along those lines is all that's needed?

[MRGBHC]

5 hours ago, zarantha said:

 

New game is required for DD 5.x and DCL 9.0. You should not use a save that had an older version of DD installed ever.

I was just hoping to re-find 4.3 files. My game has decided to have other mod issues. I just recently decided to play around with DD so I don't NEED it (just want, my save doesn't depend on it)

[zarantha]

11 minutes ago, MRGBHC said:

I was just hoping to re-find 4.3 files. My game has decided to have other mod issues. I just recently decided to play around with DD so I don't NEED it (just want, my save doesn't depend on it)

 

4.3 isn't available any more, kimy only supports the latest. The reason I said that is because you said you upgraded, which is not allowed.

Do you see an issue with DD on a new game? The behavior you are describing sounds like you had DD 4.3 on there before at some point. even if you removed it and haven't used it for a while.

 

You could try cleaning the save with fallrim tools.

 

[ssskn]

Any chance of support for older skse versions? I'm still on 2.0.15. Skyrim SE 1.5.73.

 

If not I could look into compiling but not sure how to go about it. I haven't ever compiled skse dlls.

[InsanityFactor]

I'm having an issue where two of the devices seem to be missing textures; they're just bright purple. It's the black steel fetters and steel manacles. Everything else is fine and the animations work, they just don't have proper textures. Anyone else have this?

[Hamakabula]

Is there a way to make this play nice with EVG Conditional Idles? I think that mod adds tons of immersion so I'd like to keep it, but sadly it seems to overwrite everything in DD (and SD+ for that matter), so my char is covering up her privates while in bondage etc.

[Elsidia]

12 hours ago, Ɲσχтυяη said:

I will check that tommorow again, thanks

Check then crdeMariaEden (6A00A463) too - it's have ton of problems by init quest depend of papyrus log.

[MRGBHC]

7 hours ago, zarantha said:

 

4.3 isn't available any more, kimy only supports the latest. The reason I said that is because you said you upgraded, which is not allowed.

Do you see an issue with DD on a new game? The behavior you are describing sounds like you had DD 4.3 on there before at some point. even if you removed it and haven't used it for a while.

 

You could try cleaning the save with fallrim tools.

 

I'll try to explain my issues: I have a save going where 4.3 was installed but not active. I would play it occasionally but it always seemed glitchy, so I never saved with it on. My save recently decided to not accept new outfit mods, so I've been getting new versions of different mods. Not seeing a new save as a requirement for DD, I installed the newer version but decided to research the 'glitches' I had previously. I found similar issues with fixes, so I thought I'd try. Now, here we are. To be clear, 4.3 is gone as I was foolish and uninstalled and removed archive 

[zarantha]

5 hours ago, ssskn said:

Any chance of support for older skse versions? I'm still on 2.0.15. Skyrim SE 1.5.73.

 

If not I could look into compiling but not sure how to go about it. I haven't ever compiled skse dlls.

 

The older versions of the DLLs are probably still around, the DLL hasn't changed at all. I think you're the first person to ask in a year, so no, I won't be putting the old DLLs back into the installer. All that did was confuse everybody else.

 

For yourself, just keep a copy of the DLL as a separate mod until you update SKSE, then when DD updates you don't have to go looking for it again.

 

Since I don't feel like searching today, here it is from my backups:

SKSE 2.0.15 runtime 1.5.73.7z

 

[ashleytaylor]

On 3/27/2021 at 11:55 AM, zarantha said:

 

Ok, downloaded 5.1 again just now, to make it fair.

Then loaded up UNP. Batch built to the UNPBB preset and the UNP Special body.

 

I have:

UNP Female Body Renewal

Bodyslide and Outfit Studio - Legacy UUNP (for SE)

DD 5.1 with UNP options. BRRF and For Him installed.

 

Both elbowbinders are visible. There is clipping on this preset, I have a feeling I used a different one a few months ago. I am not going to check every preset out there for UNP, that way lies madness. I may fix for specific presets if there's an ask.

 

Anyway, so what ever is causing them to be invisible in your game is either a config issue on your end (your paths looked ok if that's where your skyrim is actually installed to) or you have a conflict somewhere in your load order. Have you already taken it down to just DD and it's requirements? If so, check your actual skyrim data folder and make sure there are no mesh or texture folders in there.

 

Untouched Data folder should look like this when used with MO2:
 

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Proof i'm not crazy and they are there, if not as 'perfect' as I remember:

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Ebonite:

 

 

Leather:

 

 

Please find screenshot of my data folder below, seems that it's fine.

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And my load order after removing most of the unnecessary mods

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# This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.
Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
SexLab.esm
Devious Devices - Assets.esm
SexLabAroused.esm
Devious Devices - Integration.esm
Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
Devious Devices - Contraptions.esm
Heels Sound.esm
Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
Remove Mods from System Menu.esl
SkyUI_SE.esp
Devious Devices For Him.esp
Devious Devices - BRRF.esp
Devious Devices SE patch.esp
RaceMenuMorphsUUNP.esp
SOSRaceMenu.esp
SGEyebrows.esp
FNIS.esp
KSHairdosSMP.esp
KS Hairdo's.esp
Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp
SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp
SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
SkyHUD.esp
RaceMenu.esp
XPMSE.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
RaceMenuHH.esp
UIExtensions.esp
AddItemMenuSE.esp
SINful CBP.esp
SOS - Pubic Hair for Females Addon.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

 

So, the issue is quite beyond me, maybe I should keep using DD 5.0... ?Anyway, thank you so much for your help, I really appreciate it.

[zarantha]

5 hours ago, InsanityFactor said:

I'm having an issue where two of the devices seem to be missing textures; they're just bright purple. It's the black steel fetters and steel manacles. Everything else is fine and the animations work, they just don't have proper textures. Anyone else have this?

 

I checked this for someone else a few pages back. They're fine, so you have an incomplete install. Try reinstalling DD. If you're on NMM, that's the problem, it likes to not install everything for a large mod.

[zarantha]

1 hour ago, MRGBHC said:

I'll try to explain my issues: I have a save going where 4.3 was installed but not active. I would play it occasionally but it always seemed glitchy, so I never saved with it on. My save recently decided to not accept new outfit mods, so I've been getting new versions of different mods. Not seeing a new save as a requirement for DD, I installed the newer version but decided to research the 'glitches' I had previously. I found similar issues with fixes, so I thought I'd try. Now, here we are. To be clear, 4.3 is gone as I was foolish and uninstalled and removed archive 

 

If you can't find 4.3 in your trash, you're out of luck. Kimy has never supported upgrades between major releases, only minor releases.

You'll need a new save to use DD 5.x, it is a requirement if you ever had 4.3, even if you weren't using it. Or finish your play through without DD and upgrade on the next play through.

 

Some people have tried cleaning the save with Fallrim Tools and upgrade, but even if that works you will be running an unsupported config. Some things we're not aware of may not initialize correctly and even if it seems to work other  things on down the road may break. It is up to you to decide if you want to take that risk.