SexLab TDF Prostitution and Pimping (the former "Aggressive Prostitution") 2023

[HardRaine]

7 hours ago, Pfiffy said:

Hm.. for training I had 3 scenes running... didn't try it with 4 jet....

 

Edit: I had 4 Scenes running without any problems....

Something strange is happening then, as I've run TDF Pro for years and it's a staple in my core mods list, so it's in every LE and SE profile I have (50+ profiles total).  The only "new mods" I have onboard are location mods, and nothing to do with complex scripts, or anything which would alter general performance (I stripped out most of the script heavy mods for this test).   Forever, I've been able to recruit the lesser Immersive Wenches (bar servers and road wenches.  That's mainly why I always set the "More Wenches" options to true), and all of the NPCs from the Adventurers and Travelers, and NPCs Travel mods.  Something which is not happening now...

Dumb question 101:  Is the new All in One compiled for AE by any chance?  I'm still running the last SE versions of Sexlab/SKSE.  That would explain a bunch of things...if it is, please send a case of dunce caps my way, k?  lololololol

Edited December 8, 2021 by HardRaine

[Pfiffy]

5 hours ago, HardRaine said:

Something strange is happening then, as I've run TDF Pro for years and it's a staple in my core mods list, so it's in every LE and SE profile I have (50+ profiles total).  The only "new mods" I have onboard are location mods, and nothing to do with complex scripts, or anything which would alter general performance (I stripped out most of the script heavy mods for this test).   Forever, I've been able to recruit the lesser Immersive Wenches (bar servers and road wenches.  That's mainly why I always set the "More Wenches" options to true), and all of the NPCs from the Adventurers and Travelers, and NPCs Travel mods.  Something which is not happening now...

Dumb question 101:  Is the new All in One compiled for AE by any chance?  I'm still running the last SE versions of Sexlab/SKSE.  That would explain a bunch of things...if it is, please send a case of dunce caps my way, k?  lololololol

No... this mod has nothing to do with AE...

 

[HardRaine]

@Pfiffy Good to know.  Then it's onward through the fog!  Will strip out all the new location mods, and start a new test battery with a fresh game in a few minutes. 

Leading suspect at this point:  the Song of Parkin-San mod, an older mod which mucks around with factions, and such, plus touches most of the daedric quests.  Would like to save it for its atmosphere, location, and because the citizens call my whore a "dirty hobo", and won't talk to her.  Tough crowd. lol  My last 5-6 profiles have all been oriental/akaviri themed, so really want to make this old mod work.  If it's the culprit, will probably gut it later for personal usage, and make it over into a pristine oriental village, while keeping the humor (only with a Sexlab spin *winks*).  "I said suck it, you dirty hobo!" lolol

So far, everything has begun with a fresh game, which requires lots of startup time to get things in a position to test, but it's the fairest way to assess things.  Will keep on with this method until we get this right.

[Vyxenne]

5 hours ago, HardRaine said:

start a new test battery with a fresh game

Just don't forget to charge it before you try to use it... and you really won't need the roadkill.

[Nerine_Chan]

The file uploaded Monday overwrites the Skyui file: ski_playerloadgamealias.pex 

I wasn't sure if it was intentional or not, but it broke my game and seemed unusual, so I figured I'd report it. 

[HardRaine]

looks at the strange Acme Test Battery Charger device, with the word ACME engraved on the hood, and roughly room sized with smoke billowing from the top.  Beside the strange device, a handwritten sign stuck in the ground says; "Pssst.  Hey you!  Charge Test Batteries back here ->".  Clutching her test script with key objectives listed in her dainty hand, she cautiously follows the sign.  Suddenly...  "Oh noes!  Tentacle trap attack!" as the slimy tentacles rip off her clothes, and welcome her to her very own hentai nightmare, she quips in between strained gasps;  "Damn it, I didn't install THAT mod!  Arrrrr.  Oh, noes!  Oh, yes!  Maybe I should install that one, too!"  as she falls through the floor into a pink tub of quivering goo...  *winks*   Moral of the Story:  test batteries do not need to be charged.  They're lists.   And install Estrus Charaus at your own peril!

 

~~o~~

a. re-installed all key Sexlab mods + prerequisite mods

b. moved in fresh (clean) versions of update, dawnguard, dragonborn, and hearthfire

c. stripped the test profile down to the basics

d. reran FNIS and Loot

e. deleted my bashed patch, and cut a new one  { the culprit, as it had weird stuff floating in it }

f.  started a new game, and bingo!  Things are running exactly as they should now (can recruit everybody in Realm of Lorkhan again).

g. adding back the location mods, re-running support tools, and getting back to testing...

 

Back on course again!  Sorry for the delay...

Edited December 10, 2021 by HardRaine

[HardRaine]

3 hours ago, Nerine_Chan said:

The file uploaded Monday overwrites the Skyui file: ski_playerloadgamealias.pex 

I wasn't sure if it was intentional or not, but it broke my game and seemed unusual, so I figured I'd report it. 

 

Sorry your game got messed up    I checked my installation of ALL in One v2, and I'm not getting the same script being overwritten.  If you're using MO2, or similar mod manager, you can remove All in One v2, and SkyUI should revert to using the proper script, which should put your save game back in working order (unless you saved it after the install).

Note: All in One v2 is the test version of the mod, and is currently being developed.  As such, it is subject to change.  If you wanted the "production" version of the mod, install these two mods for the basic functionality. 

Current TDF mods:   TDF Aggressive Prostitution v2.2.5.5 (main mod) + TDF Independent Prostitutes Legendary (addon mod for 15 independent sexcare workers)

Edited December 10, 2021 by HardRaine

[Pfiffy]

4 hours ago, Nerine_Chan said:

The file uploaded Monday overwrites the Skyui file: ski_playerloadgamealias.pex 

I wasn't sure if it was intentional or not, but it broke my game and seemed unusual, so I figured I'd report it. 

its the same script, we need it for compiling the other scripts in the mod. It doesn't break anything. 

[Nerine_Chan]

7 minutes ago, Pfiffy said:

its the same script, we need it for compiling the other scripts in the mod. It doesn't break anything. 

It stopped me from being abled to open any menu, the problem stopped when I removed your mod. Other mods that overwrote skyui's version of the file have also been known to cause this problem.

[rodrigo2]

I'm not interested in having my PC become a pimp.  I have my PC engage in prostitution when she doesn't otherwise have the money to get by.  Is there anything in the latest updates that would benefit this use of prostitution?

 

So far, it seems my PC has to seek out customers.  No one tries to solicit her.  Is this correct for this mod?  The only exception is when the PC chooses to dance.  Then prospective customers seek her out.  

[HardRaine]

2 hours ago, rodrigo2 said:

I'm not interested in having my PC become a pimp.  I have my PC engage in prostitution when she doesn't otherwise have the money to get by.  Is there anything in the latest updates that would benefit this use of prostitution?

 

So far, it seems my PC has to seek out customers.  No one tries to solicit her.  Is this correct for this mod?  The only exception is when the PC chooses to dance.  Then prospective customers seek her out.  

 

You can set up the situation where they come to you by using the SL Triggers + Various SL Triggers Addons mods (get the TDF Prostitution Effect .esp).  Once you have those, define a trigger under SL Triggers to fire whenever your toon has sex of any kind.  Then, for the "effect" to deliver when the trigger fires, choose "TDF Prostitution Effect".  Can then control the frequency by setting the probability the effect will be applied.  For a non-stop sexual frenzy, set the probability to 100%.  For it to never happen, set the probability to 0%.  Any setting in between will give the effect a random chance of occurring.  

What I tend to do is keep the probability at 0% when doing normal game stuff.  Then, when it's time to do some business, set the probability to 100%, and then give the Innkeeper (or owner) a free blowjob as payment for them letting me work there (which starts the TDF frenzy).  Once they finish, the crowd will gather, and you will be very, very busy for as long as you need to work (as long as you picked a good location with lots of NPCs around).  To break the string, decline to have sex with the next person who asks, and the feeding frenzy will tend to stop.  If you are done for now, remember to reset the probability to 0%, and then go about your merry way.

 

Links to the Needed Support Mods

Spoiler

SL Triggers link   

 

Various SL Triggers Addons link

 

 

Enjoy!

Edited December 10, 2021 by HardRaine

[Pfiffy]

10 hours ago, Nerine_Chan said:

It stopped me from being abled to open any menu, the problem stopped when I removed your mod. Other mods that overwrote skyui's version of the file have also been known to cause this problem.

V2 didn't break the menus for me, so I can't really tell what happens to you. 

 

Anyway: In fact, the script is not intended to be in the mod. But modders sometime forget to remove it. 

[Vyxenne]

10 hours ago, rodrigo2 said:

it seems my PC has to seek out customers.  No one tries to solicit her.

OMG, so much this!!!! This was my only issue with this mod, and the reason why I ended up uninstalling it for my current playthrough.

 

In real life, guys (and some girls) hit on me all the time. I very much like it when they do that. I want the same thing in a sex mod but sadly, can't find it. The only mod I have found so far that makes NPCs Approach me also makes them randomly rape me and I never found a way to turn that off. Also, the mod is broken anyway (bad or missing dialogues) so I uninstalled that mod as well.

 

Flirting is a game, a dance. It must be initiated by one actor, usually the male, but can only be played by two. If either actor says "no thanks," the game is over- it does not end in rape. I don't know why there aren't several mods that feature this universal dance of lust without devolving into forcible rape, but there's not even one. ?

[HardRaine]

1 hour ago, Vyxenne said:

OMG, so much this!!!! This was my only issue with this mod, and the reason why I ended up uninstalling it for my current playthrough.

 

In real life, guys (and some girls) hit on me all the time. I very much like it when they do that. I want the same thing in a sex mod but sadly, can't find it. The only mod I have found so far that makes NPCs Approach me also makes them randomly rape me and I never found a way to turn that off. Also, the mod is broken anyway (bad or missing dialogues) so I uninstalled that mod as well.

 

Flirting is a game, a dance. It must be initiated by one actor, usually the male, but can only be played by two. If either actor says "no thanks," the game is over- it does not end in rape. I don't know why there aren't several mods that feature this universal dance of lust without devolving into forcible rape, but there's not even one. ?

 

See my last post for how to reverse this.  Using that solution, the NPCs get off their asses and approach us  

Have to prime the pump first, so that love is in the air, but once it is, you'll have your dance card filled as often, and as much or as little, as you like.  *winks*  And if you are done for the night, you can simply say "no thanks", and it's over.  No rapes.  No assaults.  No angry words.  NO stalkers.  NO stripping or walking around nude with the girls hanging out indiscreetly.  No gangbangs.  And no risk that sad-eyed dog in the tavern gets in on the act.  Just slip Hulda a little something-something so she's cool with us working the room, and off you go.  No, no, oh hell NO, no, YES!, no, no, no, maybe, I told you before Nazeem hell NO!, no, Ok just this once...

[Dez65]

Have used your amazing mod for a long time.

 

I use the most recent version of Nether's Follower Framework and the most recent version of your mod.  I'm getting a ctd in a current playthrough when I select the Followers Ability Tab in MCM for NFF while a prostitute from your mod is in service.  If I take her off the clock, I can access that tab with no problems.

 

Any troubleshooting ideas on this minor issue?  It's not a big problem obviously.

Edited December 11, 2021 by Dez65

[Dez65]

Hi - I updated midgame from an earlier version to TDF Independent Prostitutes Legendary SLEN SE.  Even though I have the most recent version of SLEN installed and it is functioning fine, The MCM check boxes for "SLEN Integreation" and "SLEN pimping integration" in General Settings are grayed out.  

 

Also TDF otherwise seems to be working fine despite the midgame update.

 

I'm sure I'm doing something wrong.  Any troubleshooting ideas?

[Pfiffy]

12 hours ago, Dez65 said:

Have used your amazing mod for a long time.

 

I use the most recent version of Nether's Follower Framework and the most recent version of your mod.  I'm getting a ctd in a current playthrough when I select the Followers Ability Tab in MCM for NFF while a prostitute from your mod is in service.  If I take her off the clock, I can access that tab with no problems.

 

Any troubleshooting ideas on this minor issue?  It's not a big problem obviously.

At first: It is not my mod, i just modified it a bit. The main work was done by TheDriedFinger and Nyctophilia. so please send the roses there...

Next thing: It isn't my mod, I usually play with EFF, and there it doesn't make any problems. I don't have any clue why it conflicts with NFF. Nether might be more helpful in this case. From what I have done, I scratched only a little bit of the surface of this mod. I haven't even touched the follower options at this point. 

 

6 minutes ago, Dez65 said:

Hi - I updated midgame from an earlier version to TDF Independent Prostitutes Legendary SLEN SE.  Even though I have the most recent version of SLEN installed and it is functioning fine, The MCM check boxes for "SLEN Integreation" and "SLEN pimping integration" in General Settings are grayed out.  

 

Also TDF otherwise seems to be working fine despite the midgame update.

 

I'm sure I'm doing something wrong.  Any troubleshooting ideas?

Make sure that TDF loads after SLEN. Even if it is a soft dependency, it will not work otherwise. I worked fine here...

 

[Dez65]

2 hours ago, Pfiffy said:

At first: It is not my mod, i just modified it a bit. The main work was done by TheDriedFinger and Nyctophilia. so please send the roses there...

Next thing: It isn't my mod, I usually play with EFF, and there it doesn't make any problems. I don't have any clue why it conflicts with NFF. Nether might be more helpful in this case. From what I have done, I scratched only a little bit of the surface of this mod. I haven't even touched the follower options at this point. 

 

Make sure that TDF loads after SLEN. Even if it is a soft dependency, it will not work otherwise. I worked fine here...

 

Thanks for the quick response!  Appreciate the suggestions.  I'll check with Nether.

 

I use MO2 and have the TDF plugin and mod set at higher priority than the SLEN plugin and mod.  

 

Maybe it only works on a new game?

 

Edit:  Started a new game.  Still grayed out.  I'm using the "Sexlab EagerNPCSeRev2" version.  I have TDF Agressive Prostitution 2.2.5.5 overwritten by TDF Independent Legendary SLEN SE. 

 

I'll keep fiddling with it but any additional suggestions would be appreciated.

 

I appreciate your modesty in crediting TheDriedFinger and Nyctophilia but thanks for all of your work on this and your freely given support.

Edited December 11, 2021 by Dez65

[Vyxenne]

On 12/10/2021 at 12:48 PM, HardRaine said:

Just slip Hulda a little something-something so she's cool with us working the room

Well, there you go, kind of defining my dissatisfaction- I can do a Player Dance and get ppl to proposition me, but I have to be an actual whore and/or pimp for that to happen. And I have to be inside an Inn.

• I want Jon Battle-Born to get off his ass porch post when I flaunt my bodacious ta-tas at him as I strut past him. Outside. In the world. Not just in an Inn.
• I want a random guard to ask me if I need him to guard "that fine ass" for an hour or two. Outside. In the world. Not just in an Inn.
• I want Hert's husband Hern to suggest a moonlight walk down the riverbank to get out of his wife's view for a quickie. Outside. In the world. Not just in an Inn.
• I want Delvin Mallory to tell me he's been a thief for nn years but I have turned the tables on him by stealing his heart. In the Ragged Flagon. Not just in an Inn.
• I want random flirts directed at me whenever my arousal gets over 50. Or 30. Hell, 10! Outside. In the world. Not just in an Inn.
• And yes, I want Mikael and/or Sam Guevenne to propose a guided tour of the nearest bedroom. In an Inn. Without any money changing hands.

As I implied earlier, SexLab Approach seemed designed to facilitate at least some of the above behaviors, but once I had it installed and running, I found the dialogs were blank and nobody accosted me- it was still up to me to initiate the process. Since I can do that a lot easier with SexLab Romance and/or SLEN, there's no point in cluttering up my LO with broken Approach.

 

So thanks for your suggs, but, although it's great at what it does, I don't believe TDFPP is going to give me the experiences I'm looking for. Not because it's broken in any way (it's not) but simply because random out-in-the-world flirts initiated by random dudes are simply not what it is designed to do. ?

 

Also, since we're not on the subject, I'd be happy with any mod that let me initiate a FFM threesome via dialog. Currently, the only way I can get one going is to cast the Irresistibly Attractive spell on my two prospective partners and myself. In the past, I had a dialog sex mod that included a list of things I wanted to do, including several sex positions and "Let's find someone else to join us!" followed by "Would you like to join us for some fun?" at the 3rd actor- but it's long gone now. Maybe it was Flower Girls.

 

Edited December 12, 2021 by Vyxenne
Because she's pretty sure it's a Holiday Tradition now

[Tlam99]

2 hours ago, Vyxenne said:

Would you like to join us for

Will check today, as I have this option and some more.

FG does it, but spouses, spouses enhanced can do it, SLEN. Got so many of those installed.

There is on option, if a follower is engaged and I talk during the scene, they invite me to be part of the fun.

 

 

[HardRaine]

16 hours ago, Dez65 said:

Thanks for the quick response!  Appreciate the suggestions.  I'll check with Nether.

 

I use MO2 and have the TDF plugin and mod set at higher priority than the SLEN plugin and mod.  

 

Maybe it only works on a new game?

 

Edit:  Started a new game.  Still grayed out.  I'm using the "Sexlab EagerNPCSeRev2" version.  I have TDF Agressive Prostitution 2.2.5.5 overwritten by TDF Independent Legendary SLEN SE. 

 

I'll keep fiddling with it but any additional suggestions would be appreciated.

 

I appreciate your modesty in crediting TheDriedFinger and Nyctophilia but thanks for all of your work on this and your freely given support.

I could only get the SLEN options to be enabled when starting a new game.  Not sure why, but as soon as I started new games to test, they were available for each new save game I've started, which I've now started probably 20 new games during this process.

Also, I was seeing similar issues with NFF, but have been able to work around it by only using the 3 TDF slots for the independents, and don't let them go under NFF management.  Kind of inconvenient as it's nice to have the clothing options, and other things which NFF provides, but was more focused on TDF than NFF at this point.  If you find a solution for using NFF, we would appreciate hearing how to handle it properly.

[HardRaine]

17 hours ago, Vyxenne said:

Well, there you go, kind of defining my dissatisfaction- I can do a Player Dance and get ppl to proposition me, but I have to be an actual whore and/or pimp for that to happen. And I have to be inside an Inn.

• I want Jon Battle-Born to get off his ass porch post when I flaunt my bodacious ta-tas at him as I strut past him. Outside. In the world. Not just in an Inn.
• I want a random guard to ask me if I need him to guard "that fine ass" for an hour or two. Outside. In the world. Not just in an Inn.
• I want Hert's husband Hern to suggest a moonlight walk down the riverbank to get out of his wife's view for a quickie. Outside. In the world. Not just in an Inn.
• I want Delvin Mallory to tell me he's been a thief for nn years but I have turned the tables on him by stealing his heart. In the Ragged Flagon. Not just in an Inn.
• I want random flirts directed at me whenever my arousal gets over 50. Or 30. Hell, 10! Outside. In the world. Not just in an Inn.
• And yes, I want Mikael and/or Sam Guevenne to propose a guided tour of the nearest bedroom. In an Inn. Without any money changing hands.

As I implied earlier, SexLab Approach seemed designed to facilitate at least some of the above behaviors, but once I had it installed and running, I found the dialogs were blank and nobody accosted me- it was still up to me to initiate the process. Since I can do that a lot easier with SexLab Romance and/or SLEN, there's no point in cluttering up my LO with broken Approach.

 

So thanks for your suggs, but, although it's great at what it does, I don't believe TDFPP is going to give me the experiences I'm looking for. Not because it's broken in any way (it's not) but simply because random out-in-the-world flirts initiated by random dudes are simply not what it is designed to do. ?

 

Also, since we're not on the subject, I'd be happy with any mod that let me initiate a FFM threesome via dialog. Currently, the only way I can get one going is to cast the Irresistibly Attractive spell on my two prospective partners and myself. In the past, I had a dialog sex mod that included a list of things I wanted to do, including several sex positions and "Let's find someone else to join us!" followed by "Would you like to join us for some fun?" at the 3rd actor- but it's long gone now. Maybe it was Flower Girls.

 

I agree that the current state of Sexlab mods are lacking in proper slow play seduction elements, either mechanically, or via shallow or lacking seductive dialogue (with wide variety), both of which should form the central part of any proper seduction.  Given these shortcomings, I was merely looking for a mechanic which could supply an unsolicited approach, so you could RP the rest of it, which is what I find myself doing.   Why?  Spontaneity is also a large part of a proper seduction, and things like matchmaker, and others, kill any sense of the spontaneous while we fiddle with lining up intercourse mechanics (which puts the cart way before the horse).  Sorry, I have no magic bullets to offer you.  { you can ask a lover for 3 play, where you select the 3rd, using SLEN once you have achieved Lovers status with the person you make the request to }

There is also a way to create chained events with Scent of Sex, so mechanically we can create progressive seduction scenarios, but SSX has a woeful lack of dialogue options, most of which are canned phrases one would expect to hear after midnight at an orgy, after everyone has already made the rounds with everybody else, and the thrill and mystery are long gone.  So, basically, too crude for a proper slow play seduction.

~ooo~
In an ideal fantasy world, we could chain together; 1. a Dancing event (he sees her from across the room, and asks her to dance.  She may say yes, but she may say no); 2. Hugging event (after a dance he wraps his arms around her, and whispers sweet nothings in her ear.  She may be open, but she may also slam the door shut); 3. Kissing event ( lips and tongues only, no feeling up of anything.  Not yet.  Her hands on his shoulders, one leg bent at the knee, with a heel dangling loosely from her dainty foot); 4. a Petting phase (temperature rising, and the heat is on.  Feeling, touching, rubbing, licking, nibbling.  Getting to know each other in all the right places); 5-N.  Around the World with Sexlab and friends.  (We got this part!);  N+1.  a Staying Over event  (will she stay or will she go?  Basically, if she (he) agrees, sleeping together in the same bed); N + 2. the Morning Sex event (yes or no?  Some like it, while others slip away while the other sleeps.  Remember that strange dance the morning after, where both pretend to be asleep until the first person has to pee, then the other scoots out the door scot-free?  "Damn it, how did my panties end up on the chandelier?  Screw it, I'm outta here!  So long Wednesday!")   

The bad times can best be defined with one word; regret.  "Excuse me, sir, where is that cute guy I was dancing with last night?"  "Baby, it's me!"  *a sinking feeling starts in your throat and crashes into your stomach, as you realize you were banged by Stinkfinger Eddie last night*.  "Tequila?  Never again, and I mean it this time!"; you utter under your breath in a most unconvincing manner, while you slowly back out of the door at Stinkfinger's disheveled abode).   And yet, we get up tomorrow, and do it again.  Rolling the dice on the Game of Love....

Spoiler

 

 

 

I want THAT mod!  Maybe later in ES6, lol.

Edited December 13, 2021 by HardRaine

[Vyxenne]

I'm actually not expecting a seduction mod because I don't think it's possible- entire packs of paired animations would have to be created just to support couples dancing! I also don't necessarily want a slo-go sequence of chained events- I would just settle for a mod wherein

• I am not the accoster although, of course, I'm always the initiator- the way I dress, the way I walk, the way I look at guys, my aversion to bras
• The accosting happens out in the world, in all sort of locations, wherever there are non-hostile actors, indoors and outside, the only requirement being that I am not in combat OR there are no nearby mobs (could use the same trigger as "You can not fast travel when enemies are nearby")
• The dialogs are upbeat, smooth and witty if not outright humorous. Cheesy is OK.
• The dialogs are well-localized and not reminiscent of a low-budget made-in-bumfuckistan porn video, e.g. "Come, I fuck him in her ass, not it is, you?" or "All your fort are belong to us fuckee fuckee yes I like!"
• There is an overall sense of playful banter to the dialogs, not a foreboding sense of impending doom- if I make the wrong dialog choice I will be beaten, imprisoned and raped, or at least insulted
• There are 3 or 4 phases of dialog, depending on my reaction to each one- if my first response is "Well, hello there, Richard! Now I know why they call you Dick!" then we would cut straight to "Your place or behind that bush right there?" but if my first response is "What makes you think I'm that kind of girl?" (particularly hard to pull off when I'm wearing a satin crop top with no bra and a tight skirt so short the bottom of my butt cheeks shows) then there should be a couple of intermediate dialogs wherein he tries harder to get in my pants
• The dialogs actually appear and are not blank
• Any flat-out rejection ("WooooEE! I sure would like to get in your pants, girl!" "Aww, sorry, I already have one asshole in there.") ends the scenario and nobody gets raped, beaten, or insulted by having to see the gratuitously-insulting turn-off "It's OK, sweetie, we all have our needy moments"  as SLEN inflicts upon me if the stars are not aligned correctly when I hit on a guy... which is why I no longer use SLEN dialogs to initiate sex ?
• The only paired animation added by the mod is the bridge between the dialog location and the sex location- walking to it together, hand in hand would be great (I saw an Osex girl-pulling-prospective-partner-by-the-hand-into-the-inn-room animation once that would be great for this hypothetical mod), walking to it with his arm around my shoulder with his hand full of my boob or around my waist with his hand full of my ass would be amazing

The whole sequence leading up to the sex scene could take place within a minute or two and need not bear the burden of intense scripting to control 17 stages of seduction over a period of 6 months.

 

3 hours ago, HardRaine said:

The bad times can best be defined with one word; regret.  "Excuse me, sir, where is that cute guy I was dancing with last night?"  "Baby, it's me!" 

 

Well, I have a slightly different take on that- the worst dick I ever had was amaaaazing. I don't do regret.

 

Well, except, you know, That One Time, at Band Camp™

 

 

Edited December 13, 2021 by Vyxenne
Because she is, in fact, that kind of girl

[Will55]

On 12/11/2021 at 4:09 AM, Vyxenne said:

1 OMG, so much this!!!! This was my only issue with this mod, and the reason why I ended up uninstalling it for my current playthrough.

 

2 In real life, guys (and some girls) hit on me all the time. I very much like it when they do that. I want the same thing in a sex mod but sadly, can't find it. The only mod I have found so far that makes NPCs Approach me also makes them randomly rape me and I never found a way to turn that off. Also, the mod is broken anyway (bad or missing dialogues) so I uninstalled that mod as well.

 

3 Flirting is a game, a dance. It must be initiated by one actor, usually the male, but can only be played by two. If either actor says "no thanks," the game is over- it does not end in rape. I don't know why there aren't several mods that feature this universal dance of lust without devolving into forcible rape, but there's not even one. ?

Agree with 1) & 2) but not with 3) although only in who really starts it all as the rest of 3 I can agree with.

If, as a male, you walk into a room/space/whatever and notice instantly (or close) a "someone" only the crude, cocky, macho insensitives go charging over and say: "hey babe wanna "dance/drink/bonk"?" etc. and WRT them you are quite correct.

From the male POV, women have three major groups: "specials", "desirables" and the remainder. 

The below is about "desirables". Some may turn out to be "specials" but most of the latter stand out immediately.

 

Most males with a clue will watch her from a distance, looking for the clues that she IS interested and there are many ways of doing this, not all subtle as some women can be blatantly obvious which suits the macho types. Once this is noticed by you, as a non macho, then the hard work begins as you then have to work out, from her looks, her bearing, speech (if you can hear it) & attitude, her dress, her make up & jewelry, who she may be and the best approach. Sure, there are some who need no subtlety but for most women with some self regard, many approaches will fail and no matter who you are or who is she, you will go flat on your face all too often no matter how good you are at the game and it IS a game and a real fun one at that.

 

This is especially so when you see "HER" (and that is not her in the images I use here) and I can still remember seeing and, by accident, meeting someone while waiting on a bus stop when she was 14 and I was 16. we spoke for some 5 mins and all I managed was her first name. For years after, that sight and her laugh and her voice (contralto) riveted in my brain and everyone after that was just another woman. Such creatures you can see from distance as they walk past or towards you. You all probably know what I mean here. There are women and there are "specials".

I can post the list I prepared for my nephew WRT flirting but it is not my own just an abridged copy of one online somewhere, sometime that I changed a little. If anyone wants it just say so and I can post it. I found it to be reasonably accurate but it misses the all-important brief, distant eye contact that says everything and lights the fuse.

Edited December 13, 2021 by Will55

[Will55]

On 12/13/2021 at 2:34 PM, Vyxenne said:

 

• 1 Any flat-out rejection ("WooooEE! I sure would like to get in your pants, girl!" "Aww, sorry, I already have one asshole in there.") ends the scenario and nobody gets raped, beaten, or insulted by having to see the gratuitously-insulting turn-off "It's OK, sweetie, we all have our needy moments"  as SLEN inflicts upon me if the stars are not aligned correctly when I hit on a guy... which is why I no longer use SLEN dialogs to initiate sex ?
• 2 The only paired animation added by the mod is the bridge between the dialog location and the sex location- walking to it together, hand in hand would be great (I saw an Osex girl-pulling-prospective-partner-by-the-hand-into-the-inn-room animation once that would be great for this hypothetical mod), walking to it with his arm around my shoulder with his hand full of my boob or around my waist with his hand full of my ass would be amazing

 

1. That is because despite your front here you are still a lady, even in game. Dressing sluttishly does not define a slut as it often denotes body pride and lack of body shame. it can be done with real taste. My old girlfriend whose images I use, had the knack of doing so in a ladylike manner but even then, she had to abandon the suspender belts/stockings as with no bra, the attention was already too fierce and realized that even a minimal panty even with pantyhose was necessary to at least slow the sudden groping that can happen in a crowd.

 

In game if you have SLEN fail and the desired one is male you can do two things although one is theoretical as there is NO anal counterpart to the vaginal shocker and there should be  90% of males (no idea if that includes gays as they probably make up 99% of the other 10) go through life without a prostatic orgasm and the ultimate blow j*b is one where fellation and digital prostatic massage are synchronized to give a "double whammy" orgasm. This little skill can save marriages and similar. Makes you feel for most poor dumb heteros who freak out at the thought.

 

 If female, then companion her, give her the vaginal shocker and stir her/him up with the necessary spells. Or simply do a massive libido dump upon her/him with the same result, (assuming that in game your char is one randy sod with loads of libido to spare) that arousal will have her/him on the floor just waiting for you to save her/him. This is the Skyrim Rohypnol for nefarious lechers. Fortunately, the game ignores said vaginal objects' presence, otherwise there would be a resounding "ouch!" if you were male.

 

2. still being an old fashioned romantic, that would be nice provided that it could be cancelled out with a button press as life is far too short.

 

Addendum: Umm I did not mean for this to grind the page to a halt. Delete it, if it offends.

Edited December 15, 2021 by Will55