I Hate Steam!!

[2Dimm]

of course people can't objectly point out good things about something because they will be a fanboy! you see steam may have its problems like the greenlight fiasco with crap games... but in the end there is not any better system for game distribution

[Zhukov]

I use Steam only for Skyrim, and just because I have no other option. I hate third party programs running in the background just because, with no real reason to do so.

 

Anything else, GoG (DRM free is the better system for game distribution).

[nonusnomeni]

physical copy (you owner,your property,you can burn it in furnace,throw into sea or give as gift) in Moscow 2,38$ 

 

and RENTING(!!!)(steam disappear,you loose all money) gaming space on steam 14,99$

 

now tell me something nice about Greedy Gabe

[morpheousz]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

skyrim doesnt update since 2013

 

Well it may be something else. But I still don't like steam. As I have said, my games run a little better in off-line mode. Not only that, you have to run mods to turn things back on that steam turns off for say....FO4 survival mode. My question here would be does steam filter game content or function in other ways?

 

O.o...

 

Steam has absolutely nothing to do with FO4's survival mode, FO4's survival characteristics were entirely a design decision by Bethesda.

 

As for crashes in skyrim, even without any mods, skyrim is prone to occasional crashes. The scripting language they used for quests and other scripting can barely run a vanilla skyrim, once you start adding mods, especially script heavy mods, you'll run into more and more crashes, mostly because the scripting engine just chokes and dies on you. Skyrim special edition has had it's engine updated to the same as FO4, so it has less problems with script related issues (and memory, etc), but still has other issues of it's own.

 

Honestly, almost every point you have made so far has had little to do with steam and more to do with the game / in-accurate assumptions.

 

I am by no means saying steam is some perfect platform, just pointing out that most of the problems you have mentioned had nothing to do with steam itself.

 

You will never be able to "Own" a game like used to back in the day of disks you bought in the store again. The industry, the entire entertainment industry for that matter, has moved away from any physical ownership of media, game or otherwise. You will always have to deal with some sort of 3rd party something, be it netflix, steam, gog, amazon, etc...

[Poet Olette]

I have my issues with steam mostly due to not being able to actually own my game, you're pretty much renting it. But I mean, its not that bad. I don't mind it too much. As for making problems for games, honestly so far I haven't run into anything with skyrim or any fallout game. I don't think the problems you're having have anything to do with steam just saying.

[Nazzzgul666]

 

- gog and other sites just became a thing because steam was a success in the first place

the list goes on

 

GOG was made to be the chemotherapy to kill the cancer that is steam.

and 80% of the "indie" games are absolute crap, Nerd3 has already proven that.

 

I always thought GOG was made as chemotherapy to DRM in general? Might be wrong, though.

I see steam as a medal with 2 sides. Although it didn't remove DRM in total, it became much better, at least it never happened to me that a DRM is preventing me installing or starting the game like it happened sometimes with CDs. Or they were rootkits or any other shit. So, not as good as GOG, but better than before. Since i don't give a shit about achievements and in my experience any DRM/always online stuff is still worse than not running it, i usually search for a... "solution" before i bother to even try a game. I buy them if i think they are worth playing, but i don't accept DRM on my computer. At least not beyond windows itself.

 

I also enjoy (at least in theory) that i can share my library with my brother, with CDs that would be illegal in my country and here steam is a real plus for me. In praxis...  have 3 games i bought myself and really want to play but never touched, and ~50 games in my brothers library i never touched although they are games i'd potentially enjoy to play. And if i wouldn't remember myself about that regularly, i'd probably have 50+ untouched games in my own library.

I just can't even keep up with all the Skyrim adult mods i want to play, even less all the other mods i want to play, every time i wanted to play something different i just started any free to play browser game. Or read a book or watched a movie or anything.

 

Imho the biggest downside of steam are the exclusives, so neither GOG nor anybody else has the option to sell it. If it would rather be an option than a must, it wouldn't bother me. I'd buy games my brother wants to play as well to share it and buy everything else somewhere else.

[KoolHndLuke]

"You will never be able to "Own" a game like used to back in the day of disks you bought in the store again. The industry, the entire entertainment industry for that matter, has moved away from any physical ownership of media, game or otherwise. You will always have to deal with some sort of 3rd party something, be it netflix, steam, gog, amazon, etc..."

 

 

Yes. Well I don't seem to be the only one complaining about it either. So you saying it is a necessary evil does not just put the issue to rest. At the very least we should have several alternatives to steam. If you are content with how things are then so be it, but I will keep searching for another way.

 

 

 

 

 

[Bazinga]

GOG DRM free > GOG > Steam >.....................................................>Origin

I never cared about Steam DRM, it's way less intrusive than the ingame or original disk checking copy protections used in the old days. Now those were cancer.

Steam is just ... convenient. And I don't give a fuck if some edgelords look down on me for prefering convenience. Looking at you, tarl7.

 

Also what help will DRM free be if the store advertising it goes bankrupt or closes shop for another reason?

I'm using both Steam and GoG and I never download full game installation packages for GoG, I'm too lazy for that and those files often get outdated anyway. If GoG vanishes from one day to the other all my games there are lost too and it doesn't matter anymore that they don't use DRM.

Same with Steam, so it doesn't make a difference to me.

[zzz72w3r]

 

GOG DRM free > GOG > Steam >.....................................................>Origin

I never cared about Steam DRM, it's way less intrusive than the ingame or original disk checking copy protections used in the old days. Now those were cancer.

Steam is just ... convenient. And I don't give a fuck if some edgelords look down on me for prefering convenience. Looking at you, tarl7.

 

Also what help will DRM free be if the store advertising it goes bankrupt or closes shop for another reason?

I'm using both Steam and GoG and I never download full game installation packages for GoG, I'm too lazy for that and those files often get outdated anyway. If GoG vanishes from one day to the other all my games there are lost too and it doesn't matter anymore that they don't use DRM.

Same with Steam, so it doesn't make a difference to me.

 

 

True, I never saved the installation packages after done with the games either.  DRM free is more a principle than actual need nowadays as no one is allowed to "own" the digital goods they purchased anymore.

[Kaz Aanh]

Steam is the best gaming platform and shop to buy games from. Offers a lot of social content also.

 

And I like my games to be on 1 platform not on fukking several of them ( Origin, uplay, gog etc )

 

Never had any problems with Steam and I am using it for 7 years.

 

Only thing I dislike is how they handle patch system, where for 60gb game you need the double that ( 120g ) to be able to download a small patch.

 

Otherwise Steam is best thing ever created, and it also saved PC gaming for eternal piracy. No doubt there wouldn't be many PC games today if not for Steam. We wouldn't see many good indie games too. Steam helps a lot in recognition.

[zzz72w3r]

Steam is the best gaming platform and shop to buy games from. Offers a lot of social content also.

 

And I like my games to be on 1 platform not on fukking several of them ( Origin, uplay, gog etc )

 

Never had any problems with Steam and I am using it for 7 years.

 

Only thing I dislike is how they handle patch system, where for 60gb game you need the double that ( 120g ) to be able to download a small patch.

 

Otherwise Steam is best thing ever created, and it also saved PC gaming for eternal piracy. No doubt there wouldn't be many PC games today if not for Steam. We wouldn't see many good indie games too. Steam helps a lot in recognition.

 

Eventually you will have to use multiple services.  EA AAA games are now Origin exclusive and other big publishers all want their own platforms.  Everyone wants their own walled garden and fear the gaming equivalent of Amazon/Google/Apple.  China is a good example what could happen, ~65% of all gaming revenue and close to 90% of profits went to Tencent because it owns QQ/WeChat, China's IM and social network monopoly.

 

Steam definitely did revive interests in PC gaming, most people seem to have forgotten that.

[MadMansGun]

Steam definitely did revive interests in PC gaming, most people seem to have forgotten that.

 

that is the complete opposite of what happened where i live, console gaming was mostly dead and everyone had computers, then steam showed up and everyone started buying consoles again and traded in there computers for iphones.

[Kaz Aanh]

 

Eventually you will have to use multiple services.  EA AAA games are now Origin exclusive and other big publishers all want their own platforms.  Everyone wants their own walled garden and fear the gaming equivalent of Amazon/Google/Apple.  China is a good example what could happen, ~65% of all gaming revenue and close to 90% of profits went to Tencent because it owns QQ/WeChat, China's IM and social network monopoly.

 

Steam definitely did revive interests in PC gaming, most people seem to have forgotten that.

 

 

Just too bad I dont buy EA games or Ubisofts, so no issues at all. These games are pretty much average casual games tbh

 

At best they will add cross-acc-link to Steam>Origin and Origin>Steam.

[Nazzzgul666]

Ubisoft made it so far that i wouldn't even pirate their games anymore, they actually have to pay me a salary if they want me to play their games. EA... similar with some few exceptions, but at least i don't feel guilty if i i don't really pay for it. They have killed several of my favorite studios and i wouldn't feel a little bit sorry if they get killed themselves.

[Kain82]

I love Steam.  But lately it's been acting like a little bitch.  It won't let me play WItcher 2 and it won't properly install Age of Wonders 3 with all dlc after many tries.   So I had to buy both on GoG when they were on sale.  Luckily it installed Total War: Warhammer properly after I bought it on sale.  Also I was glad it installed SSE properly several months ago. 

[vvolf86]

Since it takes a week for money to get into my paypal account, Steam is just easier for me to use. Walk down the street and buy some steam cards. If GOG sold cards similar I might use it more, but I don't have any issue with steam tbh

[Mr. Guyinco-Gnito]

i never really had big issues with steam tbh.

once i got an error which i could resolve by simply googling it for 3 minutes.

i have a heavily modded game with cmd affinity commands, enb, and many other potential drm conflicting software and everything runs fine and on top of that i let it run through family sharing.

without steam we probably had to deal with drms like gfwl, which are truly 10 times worse than steams background drm

[isahale]

At this point steam shouldn't be causing issues for Skyrim steam normally causes problems in that there isn't any reliable way to stop it from randomly updating shit even if you tell it to not randomly update shit, so basically like windows, but oldrim isn't going to get any official patches from Bethesda anytime in the foreseeable future.

[Reginald_001]

I saw the title of the thread. For a second there, thought I'd time travelled back to 2004.

[jestir]

you can disable auto update in steam and if you don't want to update and play the game and there is a update just go to the steamapps folder and open the appmanifest that goes to the game you want to play and change "StateFlags"        "4" to look like this and you can play the game i refuse to update my GTA San do to the fact that Rockstar is to cheap to pay for rights to the music in the game properly i love how secure steam is you don't have my phone you can get in to my steam

i never really had big issues with steam tbh.

once i got an error which i could resolve by simply googling it for 3 minutes.

i have a heavily modded game with cmd affinity commands, enb, and many other potential drm conflicting software and everything runs fine and on top of that i let it run through family sharing.

without steam we probably had to deal with drms like gfwl, which are truly 10 times worse than steams background drm

 

is the family sharing any good cause i have a 2 year old son and a 13 year old step daughter that loves Lego games and have been wondering if i should set my account up for family sharing so she can play the Lego games but can i block her from playing other games like GTA and other very violent games

[Mr. Guyinco-Gnito]

you can disable auto update in steam and if you don't want to update and play the game and there is a update just go to the steamapps folder and open the appmanifest that goes to the game you want to play and change "StateFlags"        "4" to look like this and you can play the game i refuse to update my GTA San do to the fact that Rockstar is to cheap to pay for rights to the music in the game properly i love how secure steam is you don't have my phone you can get in to my steam

i never really had big issues with steam tbh.

once i got an error which i could resolve by simply googling it for 3 minutes.

i have a heavily modded game with cmd affinity commands, enb, and many other potential drm conflicting software and everything runs fine and on top of that i let it run through family sharing.

without steam we probably had to deal with drms like gfwl, which are truly 10 times worse than steams background drm

 

is the family sharing any good cause i have a 2 year old son and a 13 year old step daughter that loves Lego games and have been wondering if i should set my account up for family sharing so she can play the Lego games but can i block her from playing other games like GTA and other very violent games

yes you can.

[Deso561PL]

If gog could transfer at least 80% of my steam library, i could definetly do it. But since not, i stay on steam.

 

Even if i hate recent changes like with gifting etc. Also Valve is lazy to fight against indie devs who make crap games and publish them on steam, only to get more money from cards.

[ISNAN]

Steam has it's purposes, but I fear people have become too reliant upon it. What happens if the company gets sold and the new owners decide to do shit differently? One look at Google, Microsoft and Apple will tell you ideas change and products become crap with the new vision. What happens if you lose your password, internet, or Stream's servers crashes or gets hacked, and they can't replace everyone's game? Just too many variables that need to come together in order for me to play my game and keep it for years so I can go back to it 10/20 years later. I personally will buy a physical copy of a game, while also buying it on steam when it goes on sale. I mainly use steam as a backup resource more than anything. Plus I don't like the fact that it has to sit and run in the background. It may use little resources and shouldn't be a problem, but people don't realize that it still does I/O read and writes on your hard drive. Do that too much and you slowly decrease the life of your drive. 

 

Also steam, along with smart phones and tablets, has helped create this trend where people are forgetting or not taking the time to understand how to use a computer. PC gaming is what brought the masses to buy and use a computer to begin with. When they first came out they were mainly geared toward companies or people that needed personal computers to work at home. The fact PC gaming offered better graphics over the consoles really pushed the market. Over time, people learned how to navigate and use their systems and do crazy ass stuff. Then the internet took off and that got people that didn't game into the learning process. One would think that 30 years later practically everyone would know the basics, but hat is not the case. The younger generations and the older folks who came in late have little to no clue how to navigate or use it. It's like we are going backward and the people who are fluent with PCs are becoming a dying breed. Sure, one can do a lot with a smartphone or tablet, but you STILL need a desktop to get to the nit and grit because they are much more powerful and actually use the programming tools necessary. I couldn't imagine using photoshop on a tiny 8 inch touch screen. I need that mouse and keyboard. The very things the younger folks look at as primitive. 

 

You may not believe me but I see this online and offline. Just look at how people are making gifs these days. They are 10- 20mb. The very thing you try to avoid when making one. They don't understand optimization and why it's so important. Do they really think people are going to be able to render that shit every second just because it works on their system? It's the basics like this is what people are forgetting or not understanding. This not bothering to understand how a computer works is what is flunking people out of getting CS degrees. They can't grasp their heads around it. Why should they be able to anyway? It takes years to learn the basics let alone what CS is trying to teach you. If you go into it without any computer knowledge, you wont last long. If you do manage to get the degree, you will find yourself working at McDonalds because tech employers will put you to the task during the hiring process. They immediately see right away that this person really isn't up to task on what they are looking for. 

 

I went off on a tangent, but I think it needs to be stated because Steam is just another aspect of the dumbing down of intellects. When you cater to stupid and and make things too easy for people, they will never learn and they NEED to learn it because that is the jobs of tomorrow. 

[Reginald_001]

Steam has it's purposes, but I fear people have become too reliant upon it. What happens if the company gets sold and the new owners decide to do shit differently? One look at Google, Microsoft and Apple will tell you ideas change and products become crap with the new vision. What happens if you lose your password, internet, or Stream's servers crashes or gets hacked, and they can't replace everyone's game? Just too many variables that need to come together in order for me to play my game and keep it for years so I can go back to it 10/20 years later. I personally will buy a physical copy of a game, while also buying it on steam when it goes on sale. I mainly use steam as a backup resource more than anything. Plus I don't like the fact that it has to sit and run in the background. It may use little resources and shouldn't be a problem, but people don't realize that it still does I/O read and writes on your hard drive. Do that too much and you slowly decrease the life of your drive. 

 

Also steam, along with smart phones and tablets, has helped create this trend where people are forgetting or not taking the time to understand how to use a computer. PC gaming is what brought the masses to buy and use a computer to begin with. When they first came out they were mainly geared toward companies or people that needed personal computers to work at home. The fact PC gaming offered better graphics over the consoles really pushed the market. Over time, people learned how to navigate and use their systems and do crazy ass stuff. Then the internet took off and that got people that didn't game into the learning process. One would think that 30 years later practically everyone would know the basics, but hat is not the case. The younger generations and the older folks who came in late have little to no clue how to navigate or use it. It's like we are going backward and the people who are fluent with PCs are becoming a dying breed. Sure, one can do a lot with a smartphone or tablet, but you STILL need a desktop to get to the nit and grit because they are much more powerful and actually use the programming tools necessary. I couldn't imagine using photoshop on a tiny 8 inch touch screen. I need that mouse and keyboard. The very things the younger folks look at as primitive. 

 

You may not believe me but I see this online and offline. Just look at how people are making gifs these days. They are 10- 20mb. The very thing you try to avoid when making one. They don't understand optimization and why it's so important. Do they really think people are going to be able to render that shit every second just because it works on their system? It's the basics like this is what people are forgetting or not understanding. This not bothering to understand how a computer works is what is flunking people out of getting CS degrees. They can't grasp their heads around it. Why should they be able to anyway? It takes years to learn the basics let alone what CS is trying to teach you. If you go into it without any computer knowledge, you wont last long. If you do manage to get the degree, you will find yourself working at McDonalds because tech employers will put you to the task during the hiring process. They immediately see right away that this person really isn't up to task on what they are looking for. 

 

I went off on a tangent, but I think it needs to be stated because Steam is just another aspect of the dumbing down of intellects. When you cater to stupid and and make things too easy for people, they will never learn and they NEED to learn it because that is the jobs of tomorrow. 

 

For me it's pretty simple. It's a good platform and I have over 6000 euros of games on it. If it ever gets discontinued and I loose access to that 6000 euros of games I'll pirate each and every game that I paid my hard earned money for. Looking at my DVD case, it's chock full of original games that no longer run and are no longer supported, coming out again, being sold for half price. Why would I buy them again when I have the original DVD in my closet? (Short answer: I don't, it's unfair to have to pay twice for the same software). The support so far has been great. Once my account was hijacked (their error not mine as I have a very secure password with over 68 unique character combinations) and after one email the whole lot was restored, including history.

 

Long story short, it's fine as long as it works, if it stops working and they steal my money, I will steal my games back from them.

[ISNAN]

 

Steam has it's purposes, but I fear people have become too reliant upon it. What happens if the company gets sold and the new owners decide to do shit differently? One look at Google, Microsoft and Apple will tell you ideas change and products become crap with the new vision. What happens if you lose your password, internet, or Stream's servers crashes or gets hacked, and they can't replace everyone's game? Just too many variables that need to come together in order for me to play my game and keep it for years so I can go back to it 10/20 years later. I personally will buy a physical copy of a game, while also buying it on steam when it goes on sale. I mainly use steam as a backup resource more than anything. Plus I don't like the fact that it has to sit and run in the background. It may use little resources and shouldn't be a problem, but people don't realize that it still does I/O read and writes on your hard drive. Do that too much and you slowly decrease the life of your drive. 

 

Also steam, along with smart phones and tablets, has helped create this trend where people are forgetting or not taking the time to understand how to use a computer. PC gaming is what brought the masses to buy and use a computer to begin with. When they first came out they were mainly geared toward companies or people that needed personal computers to work at home. The fact PC gaming offered better graphics over the consoles really pushed the market. Over time, people learned how to navigate and use their systems and do crazy ass stuff. Then the internet took off and that got people that didn't game into the learning process. One would think that 30 years later practically everyone would know the basics, but hat is not the case. The younger generations and the older folks who came in late have little to no clue how to navigate or use it. It's like we are going backward and the people who are fluent with PCs are becoming a dying breed. Sure, one can do a lot with a smartphone or tablet, but you STILL need a desktop to get to the nit and grit because they are much more powerful and actually use the programming tools necessary. I couldn't imagine using photoshop on a tiny 8 inch touch screen. I need that mouse and keyboard. The very things the younger folks look at as primitive. 

 

You may not believe me but I see this online and offline. Just look at how people are making gifs these days. They are 10- 20mb. The very thing you try to avoid when making one. They don't understand optimization and why it's so important. Do they really think people are going to be able to render that shit every second just because it works on their system? It's the basics like this is what people are forgetting or not understanding. This not bothering to understand how a computer works is what is flunking people out of getting CS degrees. They can't grasp their heads around it. Why should they be able to anyway? It takes years to learn the basics let alone what CS is trying to teach you. If you go into it without any computer knowledge, you wont last long. If you do manage to get the degree, you will find yourself working at McDonalds because tech employers will put you to the task during the hiring process. They immediately see right away that this person really isn't up to task on what they are looking for. 

 

I went off on a tangent, but I think it needs to be stated because Steam is just another aspect of the dumbing down of intellects. When you cater to stupid and and make things too easy for people, they will never learn and they NEED to learn it because that is the jobs of tomorrow. 

 

For me it's pretty simple. It's a good platform and I have over 6000 euros of games on it. If it ever gets discontinued and I loose access to that 6000 euros of games I'll pirate each and every game that I paid my hard earned money for. Looking at my DVD case, it's chock full of original games that no longer run and are no longer supported, coming out again, being sold for half price. Why would I buy them again when I have the original DVD in my closet? (Short answer: I don't, it's unfair to have to pay twice for the same software). The support so far has been great. Once my account was hijacked (their error not mine as I have a very secure password with over 68 unique character combinations) and after one email the whole lot was restored, including history.

 

Long story short, it's fine as long as it works, if it stops working and they steal my money, I will steal my games back from them.

 

 

 

Well, you wont be able to pirate all of those games because not all of them will be available. Piracy is getting harder and harder because of new laws and prevention. To "steal it back" is kind of flawed when you think about it because everything has a shelf life. That would be like stealing a replacement water heater because you had already bought one years ago. 

 

All of those DVD games you have are still viable. You just need to have a DVD drive in order to read it. If your operating system doesn't run the game for some reason, then you can always revert back to an older one on another computer. I have games on floppy disks which are obsolete, but I still have old computers laying around with floppy drives. If I ever wanted to pay it, I would simply fire up the old machine with Windows 98 and use that to play all my old floppies. Chances are though that those floppy games have been emulated to run on current systems, so that would be an easier approach, but in the event it's not, I could also do what I just mentioned.

 

Games that are no longer supported doesn't make them obsolete. It just means that any existing or new bugs are not going to be fixed. If a game has been supported for awhile, most major bugs have been fixed and you are only left with rare existing ones that are more of an annoyance than anything. A good example is the last level in Donkey Kong. When you get to that level, the screen becomes heavily distorted making it damn near impossible to make out what you are seeing. You can still play it if you know what screen looks like and know what colors represent.

 

Another example is Windows XP not getting supported anymore and the dire warning they give saying you shouldn't use it. As if hackers all of a sudden can get into XP. That is not what it means at all. If you have XP with all the updates Microsoft puched out, you are left with the most solid Xp there could be. In order for a hacker to come in, they would have to get find a new way of getting into it. It's possible, but they would have to find a new exploit that gets around the last patches. That would be harder to do for most wanna be hackers. The ones that CAN make a new exploit ( because it would have to be complex) are probably not trying to target Xp anyway. They have their eyes on windows 7 and 10. because that is what everyone is switching to. Hell, windows 10 could have an unknown exploit in it that makes it way less secure than a lasted patched XP.