Paradise Halls - Home Sweet Home (SE/LE)

Martok73 · May 19, 2023

11 hours ago, Will55 said:

Thank you for the reply. Glad to see that my guess was not far off and that it all went well.

This char also did not take any slaves or hookers until 100 in most skills, but now in having them almost under control (need to train another 12 hookers as well as the leftover (~12) and any new slaves. She has not been able to do most of the Daedric quests because of a lack of slave room but now has space for 60+(Vampires, warlocks,witches, thalmor, female falmer).

For the last 2 days my char has done nothing in SSE but push every slave to 100 respect by my method and 0 respect just means 2 extra whippings (to get to 65). In the HSH cellars I have ongoing training of some 30 slaves by trainers, while the rest of the slaves are manually "respected"( I would not resist that one) and out of the latter group only one in ~40 had to be twice recloned.

If you are going to destroy the thieves guild then join first to access the 3 or 4 master trainers(will need to do the first 2 tasks I am sorry to say) then let Goldenglow hang. As long as you stay away from Mercer no none seems to care. WRT the DB by the time my chars usually get there they no longer need Alchemy or LA training. TBH I should be ashamed to admit that my current char has gained 2 1H points from using the whip.(at least, she hit 2 levels while doing so but there was a lot of combat in between).

BTW the vampires that hated my char (-4 SLEN) after the 100 respect beatings are all now +4SLEN. I guess reflection over time showed that there could no longer be an excuse to beat them and now they are so happy. Still cop the snide "Watch it!" from haughty Thalmor 100 respect slaves but I will see if this continues once time has elapsed as they were all -3 SLEN at the end of the whipping then reward cycle.

TBH this has been so interesting for me although my char's main game has been in stasis and her hookers at Braidwood must be wondering WTH.

Yep, turned out pretty well, thanks.

I've noticed that if I plan on taking slaves during quests, I have to "cull" the numbers of the ones I already have, via selling them at auction or to felglow depending my mood and their stats.

As for destroying both guilds, I have a mod that puts a master level trainer in Deadman's Drink in Falkreth, which I added after getting so sick and tired of trainers being locked behind quests that I had no intention of doing. Also you can't destroy the thieves guild at all if you join them and do the collection quest so that would be out anyway. She's already at 100 alch/enchant/smith, so not worried about any of those, and with the mod I have I don't worry about any trainers anymore. Ironically I rarely ever use a trainer, lol, I've developed methods of leveling up skills either naturally or via the resto loop, where as I don't really think about them that much and thus completely forget about trainers, lol.

You'll always gain points in 1h when whipping slaves after awhile, it's unavoidable, that's why my mages/witches always use the shock spells to "train" them ?.

The "Watch it" comment is one of those hard coded dialog lines I told you about previously that with certain actions any and all npcs will trigger it and it can not be overridden. Good example of it triggering is by standing next to an npc and firing an arrow straight up into the air, or having a weapon out and "running/pushing" thru a npc. Walking around with the level one flames spell equipped will also trigger some special dialog about not setting things on fire and to be careful with that, from any npc including slaves. These hard coded dialog lines can't be stopped and will trigger if the right conditions are met no matter what you do, so ya just gotta get used to it, sorry.

If your slaves "changed their tune" after hitting +4 SLEN, from -4 SLEN, then it was most definitely SLEN causing the interference with the respect stat then, but like I said, there are certain specific comments that are hard coded under specific conditions to trigger that nothing will stop.

Anyway, glad everything is working out and you're having fun again, as that is the main goal of any game, to have fun ? , as always I'm here to help if at all possible. ?

sidfu1 · May 20, 2023

here a HSH lux patch. changes the lighting template to one from lux. if musje upates mod again he cn add it to installer. right now its just the hunters rest.
HSH LUX Patch.rar

Edited May 20, 2023 by sidfu1

Will55 · May 21, 2023

On 5/20/2023 at 8:26 AM, Martok73 said:

Yep, turned out pretty well, thanks.

I've noticed that if I plan on taking slaves during quests, I have to "cull" the numbers of the ones I already have, via selling them at auction or to felglow depending my mood and their stats.

I am now down to 52 PAHE slaves and intend to keep it around 28 with the uniques and the cream(arch whatevers and nightLords etc.)

On 5/20/2023 at 8:26 AM, Martok73 said:

As for destroying both guilds, I have a mod that puts a master level trainer in Deadman's Drink in Falkreth, which I added after getting so sick and tired of trainers being locked behind quests that I had no intention of doing. Also you can't destroy the thieves guild at all if you join them and do the collection quest so that would be out anyway. She's already at 100 alch/enchant/smith, so not worried about any of those, and with the mod I have I don't worry about any trainers anymore. Ironically I rarely ever use a trainer, lol, I've developed methods of leveling up skills either naturally or via the resto loop, where as I don't really think about them that much and thus completely forget about trainers, lol.

LOL! I had forgotten about the master trainer...I kept wondering just who he was ingame.....obviously I never used him..only from ignorance not ethics

On 5/20/2023 at 8:26 AM, Martok73 said:

You'll always gain points in 1h when whipping slaves after awhile, it's unavoidable, that's why my mages/witches always use the shock spells to "train" them ?.

Just wait until you have some 2000+ HP slaves and then only the master level shock spell will dent them. Certainly helps raise Destruction. As 1H can be difficult to raise at high levels I do not mind gaining levels from whipping although TBH the health damage is almost nonexistent.

On 5/20/2023 at 8:26 AM, Martok73 said:

The "Watch it" comment is one of those hard coded dialog lines I told you about previously that with certain actions any and all npcs will trigger it and it can not be overridden. Good example of it triggering is by standing next to an npc and firing an arrow straight up into the air, or having a weapon out and "running/pushing" thru a npc. Walking around with the level one flames spell equipped will also trigger some special dialog about not setting things on fire and to be careful with that, from any npc including slaves. These hard coded dialog lines can't be stopped and will trigger if the right conditions are met no matter what you do, so ya just gotta get used to it, sorry.

I understand that but in RL that would never be tolerated from a servant, let alone a slave and punishment would be far worse than a whipping.

On 5/20/2023 at 8:26 AM, Martok73 said:

If your slaves "changed their tune" after hitting +4 SLEN, from -4 SLEN, then it was most definitely SLEN causing the interference with the respect stat then, but like I said, there are certain specific comments that are hard coded under specific conditions to trigger that nothing will stop.

On transfer to HSH -4 SLEN or -4 relationshiprank player(same thing) or even -3 all slaves become instantly extremely rude and insulting. Yet once trained by HSH or already 100 respect upon entry, they are doclile +4 Slen pussycats.(within 24 hrs in the latter case) Yesterday I had 4 sultry females all -4 SLEN & 100 respect in PAHE and even in PAHE the abuse was so bad that I was severely tempted to "off" all four. But as their sex exp was poor (6) I moved them to HSH and am having my deviant sex mistresses (luckily I found 4) train them(just watching the latter in action makes me boggle at times)

I am curious to see what multiple rapes and beatings do to them. Sultry ones are the main problem but still capable of handling as even Alva is now almost tame although her claws are still sharp.

On 5/20/2023 at 8:26 AM, Martok73 said:

Anyway, glad everything is working out and you're having fun again, as that is the main goal of any game, to have fun ? , as always I'm here to help if at all possible. ?

Thank you! Although I do wonder if "fun" includes exposing deep lying masochism at times

Edited May 21, 2023 by Will55

Takuto665 · May 22, 2023

I can't see the slave binding animation.

Martok73 · May 22, 2023

On 5/21/2023 at 6:02 AM, Will55 said:

I am now down to 52 PAHE slaves and intend to keep it around 28 with the uniques and the cream(arch whatevers and nightLords etc.)

LOL yeah, I keep somewhere around 50ish, uniques and otherwise combined.

On 5/21/2023 at 6:02 AM, Will55 said:

LOL! I had forgotten about the master trainer...I kept wondering just who he was ingame.....obviously I never used him..only from ignorance not ethics

I use him, but it's rare, as I too forget I have the mod installed, and most skills I would use him for I've already go to 100. LOL

On 5/21/2023 at 6:02 AM, Will55 said:

Just wait until you have some 2000+ HP slaves and then only the master level shock spell will dent them. Certainly helps raise Destruction. As 1H can be difficult to raise at high levels I do not mind gaining levels from whipping although TBH the health damage is almost nonexistent.

FYI, you do not have to drop their health to get a stat increase when training sub/respect. As long as you get the verbal acknowledgement that they have been hit, you will get the stat increase. I've raised more slaves than I care to count using only the bottom rank (adept I think) shock spell named "sparks". Just have to pause a second or two between short quick taps of the mouse button to "fire" the spell off. The pause is to allow the "hit" to register and the very short dot to drop off between casts. For me it has worked great as I've had several mage type characters since I started using PAHE.

On 5/21/2023 at 6:02 AM, Will55 said:

I understand that but in RL that would never be tolerated from a servant, let alone a slave and punishment would be far worse than a whipping.

Fortunately we're not talking about RL and only talking about hard coded game mechanics. We have to deal with alot of things because of game mechanics. RL applications and situations would not make for a "fun" game.

On 5/21/2023 at 6:02 AM, Will55 said:

On transfer to HSH -4 SLEN or -4 relationshiprank player(same thing) or even -3 all slaves become instantly extremely rude and insulting. Yet once trained by HSH or already 100 respect upon entry, they are doclile +4 Slen pussycats.(within 24 hrs in the latter case) Yesterday I had 4 sultry females all -4 SLEN & 100 respect in PAHE and even in PAHE the abuse was so bad that I was severely tempted to "off" all four. But as their sex exp was poor (6) I moved them to HSH and am having my deviant sex mistresses (luckily I found 4) train them(just watching the latter in action makes me boggle at times)

I am curious to see what multiple rapes and beatings do to them. Sultry ones are the main problem but still capable of handling as even Alva is now almost tame although her claws are still sharp.

That is typical, and -4 relationshiprank will always result in really rough comments from slaves or npcs in general. As for Alva, I have her currently on 4 characters and she is 100 in all stats, sub, respect, sex, pose, her relationshiprank with 3 of them is at 3 and the last one is at 4 and she's never had a harsh thing to say once she reached 100 sub/respect. Most of her comments and responses have been very flirtatious and sexually oriented, which by default is the way that particular voice type was recorded and intended. It is after all "sultry" which pretty much means "slut", LOL. Her favorite line when my character simply walks close by her is "There's room in my bed", LOL. Just watch the fangs during oral as they are def sharp, LOL.

On 5/21/2023 at 6:02 AM, Will55 said:

Thank you! Although I do wonder if "fun" includes exposing deep lying masochism at times

ROFLMAO, uh, sadism possibly but I am def not a masochist, LOL.

Will55 · May 23, 2023

10 hours ago, Martok73 said:

L

Fortunately we're not talking about RL and only talking about hard coded game mechanics. We have to deal with alot of things because of game mechanics. RL applications and situations would not make for a "fun" game.

Yes I find the jump to non reality a little hard at times

10 hours ago, Martok73 said:

That is typical, and -4 relationshiprank will always result in really rough comments from slaves or npcs in general. As for Alva, I have her currently on 4 characters and she is 100 in all stats, sub, respect, sex, pose, her relationshiprank with 3 of them is at 3 and the last one is at 4 and she's never had a harsh thing to say once she reached 100 sub/respect. Most of her comments and responses have been very flirtatious and sexually oriented, which by default is the way that particular voice type was recorded and intended. It is after all "sultry" which pretty much means "slut", LOL. Her favorite line when my character simply walks close by her is "There's room in my bed", LOL. Just watch the fangs during oral as they are def sharp, LOL.

Did I read that correctly? That there is a relationship ranks with each of the slave stats? SLEN just gives the overall rank which I thought was the same as the one in "getrelationshiprank" but now you tell me that it can be specific as opposed to general. How do you ascertain the individual skill ranks?

10 hours ago, Martok73 said:

ROFLMAO, uh, sadism possibly but I am def not a masochist, LOL.

No! I was referring to my own response to beating slaves etc. and always having to find ways to beat SSE game mechanics. It seems I like making life difficult for myself. e.g., I had a hooker and a slave both unresponsive with "This character is busy". It lasted an hour. multiple reloads/disable/enable/resetAI/EVP etc. BUT luckily reclone slave worked.

*Musje* · May 23, 2023

On 5/19/2023 at 10:28 PM, DonQuiWho said:

IIRC, patch application depends on which version of DOM you are using.

For the later ones, I think, the HSH etc patches should NOT be included/applied. Should read back up the threads to check

At the moment I am working with the DOM mod author to come up with an interface between our mods that is version independent. Until then I am offering no guarantees nor any support on any game with both HSH / Aygas and DOM installed.

Edited May 23, 2023 by Musje

Martok73 · May 23, 2023

12 hours ago, Will55 said:

Yes I find the jump to non reality a little hard at times

Def gotta keep the two separate or you'll go insane, LOL.

12 hours ago, Will55 said:

Did I read that correctly? That there is a relationship ranks with each of the slave stats? SLEN just gives the overall rank which I thought was the same as the one in "getrelationshiprank" but now you tell me that it can be specific as opposed to general. How do you ascertain the individual skill ranks?

Yes you definitely read that wrong, what I meant was Alva's relationshiprank with 3 of my 4 characters is at rank 3, with the last character being at rank 4. Did not mean they have individual ranks for each slave stat, LOL. Combine the relationshiprank, with the sub/respect stat and you will get a very very flirtatious sultry slave. AKA a slut, lol. I have the mod "I"m glad you're here" installed, and the character that has Alva at relationshiprank 4 sends my char love letters, lol.

12 hours ago, Will55 said:

No! I was referring to my own response to beating slaves etc. and always having to find ways to beat SSE game mechanics. It seems I like making life difficult for myself. e.g., I had a hooker and a slave both unresponsive with "This character is busy". It lasted an hour. multiple reloads/disable/enable/resetAI/EVP etc. BUT luckily reclone slave worked.

Yeah, I figured out you were somewhat of a masochist within the first few posts, LOL. It's all good tho ?

2 hours ago, Musje said:

At the moment I am working with the DOM mod author to come up with an interface between our mods that is version independent. Until then I am offering no guarantees nor any support on any game with both HSH / Aygas and DOM installed.

Hey, welcome back, we were getting worried about ya, glad to see you are doing ok and still kicking around. Take your time and don't get burned out, we all will still be here waiting patiently. ?

DonQuiWho · May 23, 2023

25 minutes ago, Martok73 said:

Hey, welcome back, we were getting worried about ya, glad to see you are doing ok and still kicking around. Take your time and don't get burned out, we all will still be here waiting patiently. ?

@Musje

Thanks for the reply

He's said it all!

DQW

Lady Wintrish · May 29, 2023

Im doing the questline. I'm waiting inside the Restless Hunter for the auction to begin but nothing happens. Tried to talk to Pardo around midnight but there's no dialogue option.

I have to do something specific?

Also when i cuff slaves and sheat weapon they remove the cuffs. This also happen with some restraints if i fast travel. The only way to avoid constantly removing restraints is to use straitjacket. Gags working fine.

I've placed some cell and bed markers around but i haven't understand the difference and how to assign a slave to a specific marker.

Azazemon · May 30, 2023

Quick question, for houses with multiple cells like castles or manors, will putting a house marker in each area allow the slaves to also travel to those areas when they're sandboxing?

Lady Wintrish · May 30, 2023

Still waiting for the auction to begin. Stayed there waiting for many days, The slaves that i've delivered for the quest are disappeared from their cells. I think cause they're supposed to appear during the auction.

*Musje* · May 31, 2023

On 5/30/2023 at 3:54 PM, Azazemon said:

Quick question, for houses with multiple cells like castles or manors, will putting a house marker in each area allow the slaves to also travel to those areas when they're sandboxing?

They won't do so by themselves, but if they are following you, they will move to the next cell when you do, if that cell has a house marker.

*Musje* · May 31, 2023

On 5/29/2023 at 10:24 PM, Sheogorath- said:

Im doing the questline. I'm waiting inside the Restless Hunter for the auction to begin but nothing happens. Tried to talk to Pardo around midnight but there's no dialogue option.

I have to do something specific?

Also when i cuff slaves and sheat weapon they remove the cuffs. This also happen with some restraints if i fast travel. The only way to avoid constantly removing restraints is to use straitjacket. Gags working fine.

I've placed some cell and bed markers around but i haven't understand the difference and how to assign a slave to a specific marker.

You don't have to do anything, once the auction is scheduled, wait in the in until midnight. At or shortly after midnight, Pardo will call out for everyone to go downstairs.

There is a little bug with the auction, the upcoming version should fix it. But Pardo should announce the start at midnight,

The cuffs disappearing from slaves when you travel is a bug with PAHE slaves and Skyrim in general.

Cell and bed markers are just for the dialogue, you can order slaves to wait in a cell or your bedroom. New untrained slaves added to the house will go to a cell marker.

Edited May 31, 2023 by Musje

sidfu1 · May 31, 2023

for the auction its best to just sleep not wait till around 2230. if found that waiting sometimes causes it to bug every so often. sleeping has never bugged it.
@Musje don't forget the simple LUX patch i made page or 2 back you an use it in installer if you update again. its just a simple patch to change the lighting template

also is anyone else having a occlusion plane issue with the door exiting the inn. the door is there but seems like the occlusion plane is in-front of the door not behind it. if i free cam real close to door it shows door. i have no mods adding occlusion planes

Martok73 · June 2, 2023

On 5/29/2023 at 4:24 PM, Sheogorath- said:

Im doing the questline. I'm waiting inside the Restless Hunter for the auction to begin but nothing happens. Tried to talk to Pardo around midnight but there's no dialogue option.

I have to do something specific?

On 5/31/2023 at 7:31 PM, sidfu1 said:

for the auction its best to just sleep not wait till around 2230. if found that waiting sometimes causes it to bug every so often. sleeping has never bugged it.

This works but I normally go upstairs and use that bed to sleep until 2330 which is 11:30pm not 2230 which is 10:30pm, lol. Then I go downstairs and sit in a chair where the auctions are held, once the in game time actually hits midnight, sometimes Pardo will announce the auction and walk down and sometimes he don't, at that point if he don't announce the auction starting and doesn't walk downstairs, I will use the wait function while sitting in the chair and wait one single hour, no more, then like clockwork Pardo will finally walk downstairs and start the auction. At least that's what I do to "force" it to work, the script is abit buggy, but really cool once it get going. Oh and I have found that it's a bad idea to ever have any more than 9 slaves up for auction at one time as they tend to disappear when you hit 10. No clue why, just a thing I guess, lol.

Oh hey @Musje someone over on the PAHE thread is having the 0 stat slave info spell bug while using the slave info spell on HSH slaves. Looks exactly like the one I reported a few months ago. Spell works fine while slave is in PAHE, but shows all 0s when they are in HSH. Here's a link to the post with screenshots, and I still have my screenshots as well, and yes, it still is happening for me as well. If you have time to take a look at it that is, please and thank you ?

stalPROm · June 3, 2023

Weird bug occurs with slaves: when training posing in HSH there are poses like chair when player can sit etc, after that NPC did sit down on invisible "furniture" like if there was a slave but nothing there atm

*Musje* · June 3, 2023

On 6/1/2023 at 1:31 AM, sidfu1 said:

for the auction its best to just sleep not wait till around 2230. if found that waiting sometimes causes it to bug every so often. sleeping has never bugged it.
@Musje don't forget the simple LUX patch i made page or 2 back you an use it in installer if you update again. its just a simple patch to change the lighting template

also is anyone else having a occlusion plane issue with the door exiting the inn. the door is there but seems like the occlusion plane is in-front of the door not behind it. if i free cam real close to door it shows door. i have no mods adding occlusion planes

I'll have a look at that, thanks! Can't seem to find it though.

For now I am releasing a new version without it, if the patch works I will include it in the next update.

*Musje* · June 3, 2023

12 hours ago, stalPROm said:

Weird bug occurs with slaves: when training posing in HSH there are poses like chair when player can sit etc, after that NPC did sit down on invisible "furniture" like if there was a slave but nothing there atm

Oh... I think the chair pose drops an invisible marker, the player sits there by talking to the slave. Maybe the other NPCs will sandbox and sit there as well. The marker should be picked up when the slave up and leaves, though.

*Musje* · June 3, 2023

New version 1.33 posted. This is mostly to address some issues with DOM and to ensure compatibility between those mods will be maintained regardless of minor version updates.

- Added difficulty / training speed setting
- Using the DOM training model is now optional (change in MCM menu)
- Fixes for DOM and PAHE

When installing or upgrading:

If you already have DOM 4.x installed: Select the DOM patch in the installer, and choose to overwrite everything installed by DOM.

If you install DOM 4.x after installing this mod: Do not select the HSH patch in the DOM installer, and do not overwrite anything installed by HSH.

stalPROm · June 3, 2023

22 minutes ago, Musje said:

Oh... I think the chair pose drops an invisible marker, the player sits there by talking to the slave. Maybe the other NPCs will sandbox and sit there as well. The marker should be picked up when the slave up and leaves, though.

well, it don't, any chance to remove it manually?)

PS. thanks for the update!

fred200 · June 3, 2023

With the latest SE versions of HSH and AYGAS, the FOMOD won't let you select the DOM patch unless DOM is already installed, enabled, and deployed.

The FOMOD really should not be doing the test for Diaryofmine.esp. Trust the user...

*Musje* · June 3, 2023

3 hours ago, fred200 said:

With the latest SE versions of HSH and AYGAS, the FOMOD won't let you select the DOM patch unless DOM is already installed, enabled, and deployed.

The FOMOD really should not be doing the test for Diaryofmine.esp. Trust the user...

Weird, nothing has changed in the fomod file except installing the DOM patch into data rather than scripts (because of the added ESPs). It should always be possible to install them, though it might depend on the mod manager. I've no idea how to make a fomod file that auto-selects the patch when the file is there, but always allows the selection if it isn't (and have this working in every mod manager)

fred200 · June 3, 2023

It may have always been like this...

From the HSH FOMOD:

This disables field selection if DiaryOfMine.esp is not active, which means DOM has to be installed before HSH to select the patch.

*Musje* · June 3, 2023

New version of HSH uploaded, marked "b". This fixes a number of incorrect scripts.

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