Can gen 3 synths reproduce? (some major spoilers)

[bp70]

Im sure its been asked before but I thought I might as well open up the discussion anyways.

 

So if its the case that they cant, that would technically mean that the SS's family is over with the young Shaun (given that he's a synth), at least until the baby making mods come out. But also I see little point in creating gen 3 synths apart from attempting to blend in with real humans, and gen 1 and 2 synths still do a pretty good job at terrorising the Commonwealth without their newer counterparts. There also seems to be a much greater tendency in the gen 3's to go rogue compared to the previous two so it almost seems like a mixed blessing for the institute to even have gen 3's if they cant produce more synths. Perhaps theres a better explanation but I didnty finish the game with the institute.

 

That said however I wonder even if gen 3's could reproduce, I wonder if their children would even be synths. I mean they are already 99% human and if their gametes are viable it seems quite possible that their children could be full blooded humans (unless you can somehow make the plastic computing part of their brains through pregnancy). Also, unless Danse is into dry humping if youre in a relationship with him, it seems likely that they already do produce gametes (Curie would be less of a problem for biological reasons). Sterility I guess is the real question.

 

Again, it might have been further explained in game but I haven't done everything beyond the railroad and BoS endings, and its possible I might've missed something in those questlines as well.

[Ernest Lemmingway]

If they had the proper functions to reproduce as biological beings do, their children would be fully human. There is simply no way to reproduce non-organic materials in an organic body. Genetic augmentation in utero is quite possible, as is implantation after birth. But those aren't technically Synths so much as augmented humans. Gen 3 Synths are akin to the Terminator; nearly-perfect infiltrators that can pass as human short of an x-ray or vivisection. Reproduction isn't the intended purpose of those infiltrating the Commonwealth. Some could be mere sex dolls, but the surge of hormones involved could easily damage any biomechanical components unless they were custom made for such, leading to rapid psychosis or even increased independence--such as what happens in the field.

[Leocid2]

 

 

I regret to say, but the synths can not have children. There is a person who tells you his life and says they can not have children. Also he said he saw some of their internal organs.

 

[Miarc007]

 

 

 

I regret to say, but the synths can not have children. There is a person who tells you his life and says they can not have children. Also he said he saw some of their internal organs.

 

 

Perhaps you can link this to the forum " I am a Synth". People have been suggesting that the player is actual a forth generation synth that is being tested. Maybe gen number 4 can reproduce?

[bp70]

 

 

 

 

I regret to say, but the synths can not have children. There is a person who tells you his life and says they can not have children. Also he said he saw some of their internal organs.

 

 

Perhaps you can link this to the forum " I am a Synth". People have been suggesting that the player is actual a forth generation synth that is being tested. Maybe gen number 4 can reproduce?

 

 

Im skeptical of this entire 4th gen synth thing. I could see a company such as bioware or irrational (the makers of bioshock) pulling off a twist like that but not Bethesda.

 

That said, who mentioned the whole thing about synths not being able to reproduce? I missed that

[Halstrom]

We'll just have to wait till SexTech is done, but I'm betting they will be able to, and I suspect even Gen 1's will be able to knock up a human female

[Idocrase]

Frakking Cylons.

 

Yeah, I see the Institute being more akin to the Cylon faction from BSG. Early models were clunkers (Modified Protectons based on what I saw in the abandoned upper levels), followed by increasingly human-looking models, the 'terminator' style ones, then the rubber coated infiltrators, then the Skinjobs. 

 

And the BSG skinjobs could indeed reproduce with humans. 

 

Now wouldn't it be a hoot if the Fallout universe was the same one as the BSG universe? An explanation as to why it seems to easy to 'port human memories into synthetic brains (Valentine), or indeed a synthetic mind into an synthetic-organic brain (Curie). It's been 150,287 years since humans gave up technology for fear of destroying themselves, and now, here we are again, fighting crazed robots and trying to survive in an irradiated wasteland.

[Ernest Lemmingway]

 

 

 

 

I regret to say, but the synths can not have children. There is a person who tells you his life and says they can not have children. Also he said he saw some of their internal organs.

 

 

Perhaps you can link this to the forum " I am a Synth". People have been suggesting that the player is actual a forth generation synth that is being tested. Maybe gen number 4 can reproduce?

 

 

Whoa. Flashback to Armitage III. And I agree with blankproject that BGS couldn't pull that off canonically if they tried. Their writers aren't clever enough and/or Howard and Hines would mutilate it. The two Hs do an excellent job of the real role of corp execs: taking great ideas and running them into the ground.

[DocClox]

Yeah, I see the Institute being more akin to the Cylon faction from BSG. Early models were clunkers (Modified Protectons based on what I saw in the abandoned upper levels), followed by increasingly human-looking models, the 'terminator' style ones, then the rubber coated infiltrators, then the Skinjobs.

BSG: Battle Star Galactica

BGS: Bethesda Game Systems.

 

They thought they could fool everyone by transposing a pair of letters, huh? Well, we're on to them!

[Darkening Demise]

Synths are not human, they're machines programmed to act like a human. Though I wouldn't mind testing out what sex would be like with one and all with Curie!

They're not meant to reproduce like a human, they're trying to make it so 'humanity' (their version of us) can strive and focus on other things to become more advanced surviving in any environment and function for a long long long time unlike us bags of meat who quickly grow then quickly wrinkle and poof to dust.

[Bloodfang]

 

 

 

 

 

I regret to say, but the synths can not have children. There is a person who tells you his life and says they can not have children. Also he said he saw some of their internal organs.

 

 

Perhaps you can link this to the forum " I am a Synth". People have been suggesting that the player is actual a forth generation synth that is being tested. Maybe gen number 4 can reproduce?

 

 

Im skeptical of this entire 4th gen synth thing. I could see a company such as bioware or irrational (the makers of bioshock) pulling off a twist like that but not Bethesda.

 

That said, who mentioned the whole thing about synths not being able to reproduce? I missed that

 

 

Same, people came up with this mostly because of the plotholes (bad writting).

Also it's said synths can't reproduce, grow-up/older, and don't need to eat or sleep. They're machines, just with Shaun's cloned DNA.

 

I don't remember where exactly but I know it's said in-game they don't reproduce or maybe I'm going crazy.

[Jexsam]

That depends on how you define "reproduce".

 

Given that this is LL, I'll assume you mean crossbreed with people.  The obvious answer is no, they can't,  They're machines, fundamentally incompatible and incapable of cross-breeding with people.

 

However, they could probably reproduce in some fashion with each other.  Almost certainly not in a sex-binary manner as humans do, but perhaps through aid of external tech, creating new synths by some means of encoding the new synth with the base personality foundation of both or any "parents" and allowing the synth to learn and develop based on that and with guidance from older, more experienced synths.

[Omgea3]

Well when you beat the ending you get synth shaun that can age like a normal human but what I find weird is you can romance curie in synth form and she technically is  your grand daughter so yeah weird.

[Guest endgameaddiction]

Well when you beat the ending you get synth shaun that can age like a normal human but what I find weird is you can romance curie in synth form and she technically is  your grand daughter so yeah weird.

 

bruh, Bethesda is into that kinky shit. Look at the Black Briars... Clearly there's some incest going on there.

[Darkening Demise]

 

Well when you beat the ending you get synth shaun that can age like a normal human but what I find weird is you can romance curie in synth form and she technically is  your grand daughter so yeah weird.

 

bruh, Bethesda is into that kinky shit. Look at the Black Briars... Clearly there's some incest going on there.

 

 

The loyal Hemming and his mama Maven?

[Omgea3]

yeah

[Ernest Lemmingway]

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However, they could probably reproduce in some fashion with each other.  Almost certainly not in a sex-binary manner as humans do, but perhaps through aid of external tech, creating new synths by some means of encoding the new synth with the base personality foundation of both or any "parents" and allowing the synth to learn and develop based on that and with guidance from older, more experienced synths.

 

That actually would be possible for Bethesda's writers since it's already been done by others in other fiction and it sounds as fun as high school trig. Sadly I can't vouch for the latter; I never made it past geometry.

[DocClox]

That actually would be possible for Bethesda's writers since it's already been done by others in other fiction and it sounds as fun as high school trig. Sadly I can't vouch for the latter; I never made it past geometry.

Hey don't knock it if you never tried it. There's nothing quite like that moment when you first get your hypotenuse over some lass's adjacent.

[alucrad90]

1,.Biologically speaking, Gen3 snyths are totally human(acturally "perfect" prewar human) with brain implant, so they can have sex with wasteland human, no difficulty.

 

2, The problem is whether they can get preg, from a follower's quest he will tell you that he tried to have babies with his snyth wife, but failed

 

So I think with out the SexTec, snyths can't preg

[Benmc20]

1,.Biologically speaking, Gen3 snyths are totally human(acturally "perfect" prewar human) with brain implant, so they can have sex with wasteland human, no difficulty.

 

2, The problem is whether they can get preg, from a follower's quest he will tell you that he tried to have babies with his snyth wife, but failed

 

So I think with out the SexTec, snyths can't preg

Well if you can't as a full human have any baby with your mate, it could be that you or your mate is sterile (it happens more frequently than you think). A "perfect human synth" female may become pregnant like another female.

[Halstrom]

 

1,.Biologically speaking, Gen3 snyths are totally human(acturally "perfect" prewar human) with brain implant, so they can have sex with wasteland human, no difficulty.

 

2, The problem is whether they can get preg, from a follower's quest he will tell you that he tried to have babies with his snyth wife, but failed

 

So I think with out the SexTec, snyths can't preg

Well if you can't as a full human have any baby with your mate, it could be that you or your mate is sterile (it happens more frequently than you think). A "perfect human synth" female may become pregnant like another female.

 

Yeah, did the follower mention any kids he fathered with anyone else?

[Regallag]

There's an entry in one of the terminals in The Institute titled "Why Fancy Lad Snack Cake?" Briefly, it says that gen 3 synths love eating fancy lad snack cakes and says that it's a good thing that they can't become obese.

If synths can't gain weight by overeating it probably follows that females can't carry a child to term.

[AsariX]

It'd just be very conflicting when lore claims that there is no physical distinction between humans and synths (and they even tried blood samples in Covenant!), yet humans and synths can't reproduce. Spot the Synth? Uhmm, test for fertility, and you'd already remove a big part of the humans from the pool. (I'm sure this "sampling" would make for an interesting mod to some people).

Inability to reproduces because of genetic differences would be an even worse excuse.

 

So, I can't see any reason for them to not be able to reproduce, except for regular possibility of infertility, just as with normal humans.

The only thing that would make sense to me, is that Synths are 100% genetically identical to humans, but that they are built around this often found Synth Component, which would basically be a control chip, used to:

-Boot up the synth after creation

-Regulate the physical properties of the body (respiration, hormones, heart rate, all that stuff)

-Imprint the personality of the Synth and limit its thought processes (limited, needs to be regularly reset to prevent conflicts, the Railroad removes the limitations and overwrites/replaces some of these characteristics when freeing a synth)

-Remotely control the synth unit (very limited, we have to be physically close to the renegade synths to shut them down with their keywords)

 

The regulating of respiration, hormones, etcetera could affect fertility in a way that would appear natural, just as this would probably be what causes that Synths don't get obese from eating too many snacks as well. But that would also imply that it's a limitation put up by the software (the Synth Component), not a limitation of the hardware (the body). And it would imply that the Railroad might be able to (eventually) fix this. (and I see new uses for the Memory Lounge, lol)

[Z0mBieP00Nani]

LMAO, hell with Gen 1's Codsworth to the rescue ...Oh mum these terrible things your saying, After 200 years I believe your in need of penetration...Proud to serve mum. 

 

Lol, and Mr. Handy became "Mr. Hands".

[Z0mBieP00Nani]

Realistically I could see the male gen 3s being able to impregnate a female human. As mentioned before the female reproductive system would be too complex to reproduce as it would require most of the organism in order to function, on the other hand the male reproductive system is very simple by comparison, basically all you'd need are hormones, a cock (and some way of inflating it), functioning balls, a functioning prostate gland, and a way to keep all of that stuff alive.

 

I guess it could be possible to create reproduction in female synths as well and preserve the robotic aspect, but the only way I could see that happening (realistically) is through some kind of nano technology, maybe have some kind of complex inorganic system that can read genetic code and then construct a life form out of microscopic nanobots based on the code that was read (kind of like the replicators in Stargate SG-1), in essence allowing female synths to reproduce, however the organism that is produced would be completely different than its parents and potentially have a brand new set of abilities that it's parents don't. However that may be stretching things a bit for the Fallout universe.