BeamerMiasma Posted August 21, 2015 Author Posted August 21, 2015 Sexlab also checks for child races, so in Babette's case it would check for BretonVampireChild, her unique race. In addition sexlab forbids sex with actors below a certain height (that's not a monster at least). Yes if you shrink Esbern down to size 0.6 or so he'll count as a child for Sexlab purposes. Other than that children uses the same skeleton as you do, so if you for some perverted reason changed her race and enlarged her and removed whatever else you'd remove (I don't know becuase I haven't tried obviously) then SLEN and any other generalized NPC sex mods would work. Submit even has voiced resposes from child actors for some odd reason. In addition to checking for the Child flag, SexLab also does a number of other checks, among them a check for the presence of several child-specific skeletons (x117 etc, see IsValid() function implementation). In a dialogue, the options are much more limited and you're basically stuck with checking the Child flag only, which should be enough. True and the only option there is the payment with money But as I said it ben a long time since I have made a Dark brotherhood run that I have forgotten she was a trainer as well and was confused by the SLEN train option so much so that I started suspect that the Xvision I have install where corrupt or something ScreenShot2.pngScreenShot3.png The check is on the sex option, not the top level dialogue. It does mean that you have to do one extra click to train with her (compared to the vanilla quest) but the advantage is that it works in all cases, so if you have a mod that changes another trainer to a child it won't show the sex option there either, and if you have a mod that changes Babette to an adult, it should show the option again.
BeamerMiasma Posted August 21, 2015 Author Posted August 21, 2015 No worries man, we're just working to keep you informed that even if mods make oversights on some charactrs, Sexlab is redundancy checked so that you won't ever see kidde porn in your game even if you misclick on some child that got put there by mistake. However keep those pose mods in mind and try not to play around with posing spells too much on children for your own sanity. Thank you both for you hard work I have some idea how sexlab work ben keeping an programmers eye and ear to the development stages of sexlab since I joined the sight to see if it could help my own ineptebility to get CK to work I think I get every possible error every time I start it up ( even after a fresh re-install ). As for pose mod never had any interrest as I am more interrest like this You're welcome, and thanks BTW, if you're starting from scratch and you want to contribute to the modding community, become a 3D modeler or animator! There are more scripters among gamers and nerds than you can shake a light saber at, but always a shortage of the more 'artistic' skills
OldGuy879 Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 Sexlab also checks for child races, so in Babette's case it would check for BretonVampireChild, her unique race. In addition sexlab forbids sex with actors below a certain height (that's not a monster at least). Yes if you shrink Esbern down to size 0.6 or so he'll count as a child for Sexlab purposes. Other than that children uses the same skeleton as you do, so if you for some perverted reason changed her race and enlarged her and removed whatever else you'd remove (I don't know becuase I haven't tried obviously) then SLEN and any other generalized NPC sex mods would work. Submit even has voiced resposes from child actors for some odd reason. In addition to checking for the Child flag, SexLab also does a number of other checks, among them a check for the presence of several child-specific skeletons (x117 etc, see IsValid() function implementation). In a dialogue, the options are much more limited and you're basically stuck with checking the Child flag only, which should be enough. True and the only option there is the payment with money But as I said it ben a long time since I have made a Dark brotherhood run that I have forgotten she was a trainer as well and was confused by the SLEN train option so much so that I started suspect that the Xvision I have install where corrupt or something ScreenShot2.pngScreenShot3.png The check is on the sex option, not the top level dialogue. It does mean that you have to do one extra click to train with her (compared to the vanilla quest) but the advantage is that it works in all cases, so if you have a mod that changes another trainer to a child it won't show the sex option there either, and if you have a mod that changes Babette to an adult, it should show the option again. ah pretty smart work nd saves time from manual ajust for Custom trainers did you get the idea from one of the earlier poster that had a problem with a "custom train" mod where the train option for sex did not work ? No worries man, we're just working to keep you informed that even if mods make oversights on some charactrs, Sexlab is redundancy checked so that you won't ever see kidde porn in your game even if you misclick on some child that got put there by mistake. However keep those pose mods in mind and try not to play around with posing spells too much on children for your own sanity. Thank you both for you hard work I have some idea how sexlab work ben keeping an programmers eye and ear to the development stages of sexlab since I joined the sight to see if it could help my own ineptebility to get CK to work I think I get every possible error every time I start it up ( even after a fresh re-install ). As for pose mod never had any interrest as I am more interrest like this You're welcome, and thanks BTW, if you're starting from scratch and you want to contribute to the modding community, become a 3D modeler or animator! There are more scripters among gamers and nerds than you can shake a light saber at, but always a shortage of the more 'artistic' skills Ben a long time since I animated anything not since animation 101 when I was programming school would not know much of the newer technics or have the feel anymore XD always felt wrong to me anyway so I majored in hardware and software programming instead. beside you have many great animators here working overtime I would just get in the way
BeamerMiasma Posted August 21, 2015 Author Posted August 21, 2015 ah pretty smart work nd saves time from manual ajust for Custom trainers did you get the idea from one of the earlier poster that had a problem with a "custom train" mod where the train option for sex did not work ? I started right off the bat by making a complete copy of the trainer quest, rather than to modify the existing vanilla quest like most similar mods do, to minimize conflicts with other mods. I also did it with the idea in mind that I could add additional things to it though. For example I've been thinking about allowing lovers to train you in their primary skill, and indeed to allow custom trainers and DLC trainers to also train you for sex. That still requires some changes though, right now some custom trainers may work if they use a specific voice type and most Dragonborn DLC trainers work, but when I get around to it I will add non-voiced options for any NPC that is currently not covered.
Sacremas Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 Yeah Interesting NPCs has at least two trainers (expert restoration and master pickpocket) that are also followers, and of course use custom voices.
Guest Posted August 22, 2015 Posted August 22, 2015 Yea, support for custom made trainers would be great. I just download one trainer mod recently. Her name is Yuri. She teaches all skills and she can be found in Bannered Mare at Whiterun. http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/36491/? Although my favourite trainer mod is "Ashara merchants and trainers": http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/28996/? Xenia, the female trainer is respawn in every city (always in taverns and inns) where player goes and she teaches different skills in different cities. Bjorn is the guy who always follow her in major cities. You can't find him in small places like Riverwood and similar. He sells all books needed for skill developing and selling regular "hard to find and buy" ingots on early game (forging) levels. Only "bad" thing is that this mod requires all of 3 DCLs. Good news about this mod is that Xenia can buy your stuff up to 30 000 golds and she will buy everything you want to sell even if your speechcraft is lover then 50. So player doesn't need to go from merchant to merchant to sell his stuff. Bjorn, on the other hand, has limited money for buying, only 500 golds, but if you buy a lot of ingnots from him, he will buy every item you have. Edit: Good news is that SLEN is working with "Ashara merchants and trainers" mod. But, only "partially". Since Xenia is respawn character that is showing in every town and city's tavern and inn, the mod cannot track my relationship with her. For instance. My SLEN relationship with Xenia in Riverwood in level 3, but it is level "0" in Rorikstead. I'm not complain at all. Just giving and observation.
Sacremas Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 So the PC ugliness thing is a nice touch, but can you make the slider go the other way as well and factor in PC beauty? My current character looks like this, and I kinda think she'd have an easier time of persuading someone to sex than an average girl. http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/425941828273159981/7C5A7B0D5A3D5278C6B0639834E7BB9C387B90A1/ http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/425941828281632448/B680438C515AC9D68454BA24CA198CD05FE494F9/
NicoleDragoness Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 I appreciate this mod. Thanks. Some questions, please (maybe they were already answered but there are too many posts here, sorry.): 1. I have some other mods that seem to be totally or partially included into this one, like: a. Sexlab Sexchat. b. Sexlab Romance. c. Sexlab Trainers. The question is: Should I remove them? I could suppose they are obsolete now or, worst, they could interfere/conflict with. Am I right? 2. Maybe it's only a supposition and it's not related to this mod because I've installed some others at the same time. I noticed that vampires are actually NOT hostile towards my toon or my companions. Maybe not friendly but surely not hostiles. Could be this mod? Note that I still not have started the Dawnguard quest and I'm not a vampire. My toon is a female Ningheim and she has not vampire followers at all.
Sacremas Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 I've had friendly vampires and bandits before without this mod, it's a faction mix up that happens sometimes on some games. Try sleeping in an interior for three days and go back to the vampire den, if that doesn't work then only a new game will fix it. Note however that if you attack the vampire the coven will get hostile on you. This might be useful if you intend on becoming a vampire later on however.
Old Book Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 The Voice of the Sky blessing can sometimes turn all vampires Non-Hostile, depending on what factions your mods have placed them in. So can other effects, again because factions can be changed in odd ways because of your mod set up. I don't think SLEN touches factions.
BeamerMiasma Posted August 23, 2015 Author Posted August 23, 2015 So the PC ugliness thing is a nice touch, but can you make the slider go the other way as well and factor in PC beauty? My current character looks like this, and I kinda think she'd have an easier time of persuading someone to sex than an average girl. http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/425941828273159981/7C5A7B0D5A3D5278C6B0639834E7BB9C387B90A1/ http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/425941828281632448/B680438C515AC9D68454BA24CA198CD05FE494F9/ No. At setting 0, your PC is drop dead gorgeous. It doesn't get any prettier than that. The slider was added by request for people who want to make it harder on themselves. There is no reason to make things easier or there would be no point at all to have any charming or persuasion, it only makes sense if it fails sometimes too.
Sacremas Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 Aha, it works like that? Thanks for clearing it up, I was thinking 0 was "average".
BeamerMiasma Posted August 23, 2015 Author Posted August 23, 2015 I appreciate this mod. Thanks. Some questions, please (maybe they were already answered but there are too many posts here, sorry.): 1. I have some other mods that seem to be totally or partially included into this one, like: a. Sexlab Sexchat. b. Sexlab Romance. c. Sexlab Trainers. The question is: Should I remove them? I could suppose they are obsolete now or, worst, they could interfere/conflict with. Am I right? 2. Maybe it's only a supposition and it's not related to this mod because I've installed some others at the same time. I noticed that vampires are actually NOT hostile towards my toon or my companions. Maybe not friendly but surely not hostiles. Could be this mod? Note that I still not have started the Dawnguard quest and I'm not a vampire. My toon is a female Ningheim and she has not vampire followers at all. You can run SLEN next to all 3 these mods without problems. SexChat and Romance should work as normal. For Trainers it's a little different: 1. If SLEN is after SexLab Trainers in the load order and you enable the Trainer dialogues in SLEN, then SexLab Trainers will be turned off, until you disable the trainer dialogues in SLEN again. So you can swap between the 2 by turning the trainer dialogues on or off in the SLEN MCM menu 2. If Trainers if after SLEN in the load order and you enable the SLEN Trainers dialogue, you will see both the dialogue from SLEN and from SexLab Trainers and you can use both of them. Your vampire problem has nothing to do with SLEN, it only makes changes to the relationship rank of the individual NPCs you have sex with, it doesn't change any faction hostility settings nor does it make any other broad changes that affect more than 1 NPC. Aha, it works like that? Thanks for clearing it up, I was thinking 0 was "average". I started off with the assumption that all Dovahkiin were gorgeous. Probably correct in 99% of the cases considering the amount of work people put in body mods and slooty armors, but someone requested a slider for this so they could play an average looking joe.
Sacremas Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 Yeah but that usually only counts for female characters. I mostly play male ones, and my male characters aren't particularily gorgeous; http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/1460643277963667442/5FEF5F32B5FD3EF425A66C075FA519C6BFB01C0E/ http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/439449889351940843/883D5EFFB0592ACBD377472A431BA86C59289FE0/ Not many straight men would make gorgeous male characters. Try not to fall into the old trap and assume everyone plays female characters that too many Sexlab authors do.
Shadowscale Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 Wouldn't call those ugly really. Rugged yes, ugly no. Although I'm a bisexual male so take it for what you will. =P
Sacremas Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 Sure, I may be wrong and may be making good looking characters, but innately I have no way to tell at all with males. I mostly go for the hollywood/80s cool action hero type, Arnold and Sylvester and those guys when I make my characters. This is the one male character I have I consider good looking, but again I don't have much of an ability to tell if he's sexually attractive or just cool looking. http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/439450090600012083/C1F2828E629C23F0D86411937C0B488E56EC06AD/
BeamerMiasma Posted August 23, 2015 Author Posted August 23, 2015 Yeah but that usually only counts for female characters. I mostly play male ones, and my male characters aren't particularily gorgeous; http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/1460643277963667442/5FEF5F32B5FD3EF425A66C075FA519C6BFB01C0E/ http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/439449889351940843/883D5EFFB0592ACBD377472A431BA86C59289FE0/ Not many straight men would make gorgeous male characters. Try not to fall into the old trap and assume everyone plays female characters that too many Sexlab authors do. I have to agree with Shadowscale. I think you are making the assumption that your male characters are unattractive because you are not attracted to males The first one looks pretty good. Now I'll be the first to admit I'm not terribly attracted to Orcs, but if they have a SOS or SAM body I'd be willing to put a paper bag over their head and have a go at it anyway In any case, that's exactly why I added the slider. If you want, you can make your character 'ugly' in SLEN without having to be good at making an actually ugly looking character. BTW, I play pretty much 50/50 males and females. I don't make the assumption that people play a female, but it is just plain incorrect to think that males are inherently less beautiful than females. Gender only defines what is percieved as beautiful, it does not affect how beautiful someone can be.
Shadowscale Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 Because as they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
srayesmanll Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 Because as they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Funny, I though it was- "beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder..."
Shadowscale Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 Because as they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Funny, I though it was- "beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder..." http://instantrimshot.com/
ButchDiavolo Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 Because as they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Funny, I though it was- "beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder..." http://instantrimshot.com/ LMAO! THAT was hillarious, Shadowscale. Thanks for that
srayesmanll Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 Because as they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Funny, I though it was- "beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder..." http://instantrimshot.com/ Nice link. Added to my sig...
Sacremas Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 Because as they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Oh yeah, I think I can totally see it in there somewhere. Or it may be the charm person ray. Badum-NERD! Anyway, I bow down, apparently I make sexy guys as well, I never knew I was so artistic. I just gave them big muscles and a big dick, slapped on some face paint and called it a day.
Shadowscale Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 You know after I said that I started thinking we need a beholder in Skyrim. We have all sorts of other wtf creatures through other mods so might as well.
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