Milk Mod Economy

[qotsafan]

7 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

Maybe I need a SLIF patch for DCL (but I'm pretty sure I installed correct SLIF patches for what mods I had), and I didn't have any breast functions enabled in DCL.

DCL is not supported atm.

[Wykes]

15 hours ago, Ed86 said:

well LOOT is pretty useless, you should always sort plugins manually, making sure everything goes in correct order

 

Heh, well you're going to love the new Vortex mod manager, then (NMM replacement).  From what I understand, it auto-sorts mods using LOOT and its own metadata.  And from a cursory look through the discussion forums, sorting is mandatory if the arguments in this thread are anything to go by. 

 

Here's Tanin explaining why there is no drag and drop sorting, either.

 

In other words, be prepared for some pain.

[Ed86]

5 hours ago, Wykes said:

Heh, well you're going to love the new Vortex mod manager, then (NMM replacement).  From what I understand, it auto-sorts mods using LOOT and its own metadata.  And from a cursory look through the discussion forums, sorting is mandatory if the arguments in this thread are anything to go by. 

 

Here's Tanin explaining why there is no drag and drop sorting, either.

 

In other words, be prepared for some pain.

Can always stay with current managers, nmm legacy for modding, mo for skyrim, nmm for sse/ fo4 or go back to wyre bash or even manual install

[Wykes]

8 minutes ago, Ed86 said:

Can always stay with current managers

And that's what I plan to do.  It's more problematic for mod-makers though, who may have to repeatedly tell people "No, the auto-sort, doesn't". 

 

ETA:

Because, no-matter how you look at it, huge numbers of people are going to be using the default Nexus manager.

[Lupine00]

On 05/03/2018 at 8:58 PM, Ed86 said:

no ES doesnt have milk functionality its probably parasites or bf, idk

and it wasnt MME since you dont have 1+ milk

 

its probably something with SLIF setup, MME,ES,HP have built if support for slif

 

while ES installed you can only have pregnancy from ES or EC at same time

 

you probably should check slif settings for what modifies huge breast, i'd guess its hormones, since its bodychanging never worked correctly or parasites, since, i think, its from same author

Thanks for that, I guess if I am going to dump anything it will be hormones and parasites. They are ok, but sort of ... mild. In installed hormones for the bimbo curse, and have no idea how you get it, but it does some other stuff too, but it's mostly dialogue. Some of it is pretty funny though: (paraphrasing)

PC: "Do you know if anyone would have sex with a chaurus on purpose?"

Danica: [looks away nervously] "Nope. Why would anyone do that?"

 

 

Basically, I'm trying to figure what mod(s) are messing up MME.

I don't know some of these mods well, first time I ever used parasites, and only second time with hormones (and the first time it seemed to do nothing at all of any significance).

 

I was hoping somebody would know if they were "compatible" or not... Compatible having a loose definition when it comes to Skyrim mods.

 

 

I'm not saying that ES and EC did fire off together, in fact, the opposite. Even if EC was to blame for the phantom chaurus pregnancy, it didn't happen until a day after the spider eggs got pushed out.

 

So, if I use the special detailed status button in Hormones, it says CHAURUS: 1, but not clue how to get rid of it. I guess the only way is to open CK, find variable name and then mash from console. Turning Chaurus on and off in Parasites didn't do anything to hormones. You'd think those two would be buddies.

 

Also saw that Hormones thinks it's managing milk and lactation, but it's making a mess of it. You'd think it would be smart enough to STFU given that it seems to know MME exists, but nope. It knows best. By which I mean broken. That explains all the misleading messages. They are so similar to the MME ones, I'd swear they were the same text.

 

Nuked hormones and that stopped the breast craziness, but it seems that BF still thinks I am pregnant by chaurus, but doesn't show it anywhere in its status except when you hit the hot key. As I suspected, BF held onto chaurus sperm and applied it days later. If you turn on debug, it has the crazy list of sperms from days ago. Chaurus is not amongst them, though the original spider is. Maybe I can get pregnant from spider again from delayed sperm? It doesn't seem like there's any way to fix the chaurus pregnancy, I just hope it can run its course and end. That would be fine. 

 

I don't know if EC knows about this chaurus, as it doesn't have an info display for that, only for eggs in hatchery (that's viable eggs you pushed out, right?), but there's no chaurus parasite in the buffs/debuffs list.

 

If I turn BF info off, the chaurus pregnancy message doesn't show up. So BF at least knows about the chaurus, or is tracking one that doesn't exist, or who knows what really?

 

Probably BF is not worth the trouble, though the idea of high and low risk times is more interesting than a really coarse flat percentage like HP. Also HP is so old, which goes two ways. As it stays still everyone can just write their mods to work with it, and they keep on working.

 

Meantime, my stamina is going up and down like a heartbeat, which is weird.

 

... Couldn't get BF to self-fix in the end, and pulsing stamina seemed like lingering milk effect from MME ... uninstalled BF, Parasites and MME, cleansaved, reinstalled MME, re-bash, re-FNIS,  ... revealed some weird conflict with PoP had been going on once I dropped those mods out. With BF and Parasites out, MME back in, and it sorted ok in LOOT. Back into game, and now pulsing stamina cleared, body shape not all screwed up. Can't say it's all fixed for sure, but a lot better than this LO ever looked.

 

I put this setup together expecting it to have problems, but I was anticipating either obvious conflicts right away, or more of the lag and busted events type of thing. Instead, stuff sort of seemed to work together for a while, but didn't really.
 

 

 

Lesson learned, do not mix hormones, parasites, BF, PoP and MME along with all the other dumb crap I have in there.

 

 

Come on Ed, time to make a general pregnancy mod, HP replacer that works nice with MME, EC, and ES, so PCs can give birth to litters of wolf puppies, actual humans, and other horrors. All the other mods you have, it's weird it didn't happen. (jk)

[Asherrr]

i  can't see it in ECE menu but this mod still  working..why??   (i can see :you will see "Milk Mod Enabled. Event intervals set to: Milk production - 1 hour")

[GuruSR]

Just trying this mod with a new game, was working (as far as I could see), load order is fine, no issues there, except when the milking by dialogue, after the breastfeeding animation was over, the breasts and belly both went to 1 and stayed there, I've not been infected, etc, so no clue why.  Level 4 character, basically staying within Whiterun and doing the minor quests around there.  I do have DD around, but it's not done anything.  RaceMenu does show breasts scaling along with belly, so no idea why.  It kind of looks like it's trying to resize them (they "spaz out"), but the tummy was getting larger and now it's back to being flat.  All stemming from that one dialogue milk scene.

 

GuruSR.

[Lupine00]

On 06/03/2018 at 5:53 PM, Ed86 said:

Heh, well you're going to love the new Vortex mod manager, then (NMM replacement).  From what I understand, it auto-sorts mods using LOOT and its own metadata.  And from a cursory look through the discussion forums, sorting is mandatory if the arguments in this thread are anything to go by. 

 

Here's Tanin explaining why there is no drag and drop sorting, either.

 

In other words, be prepared for some pain.

I'm pretty sure that idea won't survive long. They'll probably add it in some roundabout way, like being able to add your own dependencies that will feed into the auto-sorting. In fact, from the sound of it, they already have something like that.

 

The links thing is weak too, it already doesn't work on NMM, dunno why they would think it will be fine this time. With MO, the vfs is rebuilt every time you do anything, but with NMM, the links can get busted and stay busted. But I guess we'll see. Maybe that is one thing that is fixed.

 

I'll be staying on MO for Skyrim and hand-merging copies of MO folders for CK because that is fine, and allows instant profile swap. But it's no good for FO4, so I'm hoping MO2 will keep on going and not fold up because of Vortex.

[Ed86]

4 hours ago, GuruSR said:

Just trying this mod with a new game, was working (as far as I could see), load order is fine, no issues there, except when the milking by dialogue, after the breastfeeding animation was over, the breasts and belly both went to 1 and stayed there, I've not been infected, etc, so no clue why.  Level 4 character, basically staying within Whiterun and doing the minor quests around there.  I do have DD around, but it's not done anything.  RaceMenu does show breasts scaling along with belly, so no idea why.  It kind of looks like it's trying to resize them (they "spaz out"), but the tummy was getting larger and now it's back to being flat.  All stemming from that one dialogue milk scene.

 

GuruSR.

probably mod conflict, maybe you have hormones installed and it tries to force overwrite body?

[Ed86]

On 3/6/2018 at 10:05 AM, Lupine00 said:

 

Lesson learned, do not mix hormones, parasites, BF, PoP and MME along with all the other dumb crap I have in there.

 

 

Come on Ed, time to make a general pregnancy mod, HP replacer that works nice with MME, EC, and ES, so PCs can give birth to litters of wolf puppies, actual humans, and other horrors. All the other mods you have, it's weird it didn't happen. (jk)

i think i know the issue with EC, its pregnancy state gets stuck if you are already pregnant with ES, ill post fix later for ES

use player.removespell xx019121 -Chaurus Breeder spell

 

i thought about extending HP, rewriting EC, maybe picking up submissive lola and a few mods, but it would need huge amount of time, and skyrim modding wont feed me, id need 300$+ patreon support to consider this but i kind of doubt that would happen, so surviving takes priority and a bit of spare time for modding

[chajapa]

Ed86,

 

Is it possible for you to use the NPC shortname in the messages instead of npc name?

I'm not sure how you have the it set up. When you fill the text1 string for the messages.

 

Why am I asking?

Because I think it would be fun to name your cows.

I have found that if I use <nameOfAlias = shortname> in dialogue it will use the shortname of the NPC and if that NPC doesn't have a shortname then it defaults back to just using their name.

 

 

[Ed86]

2 hours ago, chajapa said:

Ed86,

 

Is it possible for you to use the NPC shortname in the messages instead of npc name?

I'm not sure how you have the it set up. When you fill the text1 string for the messages.

 

Why am I asking?

Because I think it would be fun to name your cows.

I have found that if I use <nameOfAlias = shortname> in dialogue it will use the shortname of the NPC and if that NPC doesn't have a shortname then it defaults back to just using their name.

 

 

nope, mme doesnt use aliases

[GuruSR]

10 hours ago, Ed86 said:

probably mod conflict, maybe you have hormones installed and it tries to force overwrite body?

BAC, "Body weight" was on, put the weight down to 0.01.  I've turned that off, and it's fine, but what I'm noticing at level 1, is the milker doesn't stall or slow the milk production, so instead of just milking for 6, I'm seeing 17 to 19 before it gets anywhere near being done (and takes hours).  As soon as she gets out of the machine, they're full again.  Stock settings, didn't touch anything, so no idea why, but it seems that the routine in the background is constantly (hourly) updating the milk production from the last time it was done, but ignoring the last time a milking was done, which technically it shouldn't, should be monitoring from whichever happened the most recent, as it's somewhat non-immersive to get out of the machine that just milked you empty, only to see yourself 100% full again.  Unless there's a toggle to fix that, I'd class that as a bug.

 

GuruSR.

[Ed86]

25 minutes ago, GuruSR said:

BAC, "Body weight" was on, put the weight down to 0.01.  I've turned that off, and it's fine, but what I'm noticing at level 1, is the milker doesn't stall or slow the milk production, so instead of just milking for 6, I'm seeing 17 to 19 before it gets anywhere near being done (and takes hours).  As soon as she gets out of the machine, they're full again.  Stock settings, didn't touch anything, so no idea why, but it seems that the routine in the background is constantly (hourly) updating the milk production from the last time it was done, but ignoring the last time a milking was done, which technically it shouldn't, should be monitoring from whichever happened the most recent, as it's somewhat non-immersive to get out of the machine that just milked you empty, only to see yourself 100% full again.  Unless there's a toggle to fix that, I'd class that as a bug.

 

GuruSR.

something is wrong with your skyrim, milking 6 milk cant take 3 min, and at lv1 i doubt you can even produce so much per hour

[GuruSR]

7 hours ago, Ed86 said:

something is wrong with your skyrim, milking 6 milk cant take 3 min, and at lv1 i doubt you can even produce so much per hour

 

Nah, nothing's wrong, mod in this environment, so I know there isn't anything wrong with it.  It's possible I have animations that are taking longer than 3 minutes, without knowing what the animation sequences are and their durations, I can't tell.  I could have the wrong animations or ones that are from another mod that take longer, Devious Devices is in place, so no idea.  The milk calculation, it stops during milking, yes or no?  Because it should, or at least take into account that the actor is being milked or was last milked.  The hourly addition can take value A and add it to value B and put it back into A, yet the milking machine just reduced A by 1, now it's over the amount again by the duration of an hour.  Perhaps one of the settings for the mod was altered by BAC (I did find the breast sizes all at -1, so anything is possible).

 

EDIT:  3.92 -> 4.57 just standing in Whiterun for waiting over a game hour until it changed.  Checked, all default settings, level 1, 107 milkings total.  The "feeding" animation takes always about 25 seconds to complete, didn't seem to mater what I set in the MCM for duration, so I could have a conflicting animation.  And what is with Malik the Stern, he keeps wanting & using the milking station in Whiterun, WTF?

 

EDIT 2:  I turned Feeding off, milking was quick, also turned FNIS PCEA2 animations off too, again, not sure if there is a conflict.

 

GuruSR.

[Lupine00]

21 hours ago, Ed86 said:

i thought about extending HP, rewriting EC, maybe picking up submissive lola and a few mods, but it would need huge amount of time, and skyrim modding wont feed me, id need 300$+ patreon support to consider this but i kind of doubt that would happen, so surviving takes priority and a bit of spare time for modding

Don't limit yourself to just those. You can do more!

 

But seriously, the lack of a modern pregnancy mod that plays nice with MME is bugging me so much now that I was even thinking of making an HP redux myself, and I'd much rather be playing Skyrim than doing what is basically work.

 

I was thinking very basic: SLIF only, no direct node support, MME required, no boob support at all, min chance, max chance, cycle time, doesn't do regular updates unless you're actually pregnant, giving birth lifted shamelessly from EC/ES, and the result is either a bunch of eggs that make you pregnant with eggs if you eat one, a soul gem, or absolutely nothing. No creatures, because they're work, and EC/ES is enough for anyone, and humans... Anything that wasn't just a hearthfire kid magically grown to full size would be a PITA.

 

In the first version, you'd only be able to give birth to nothing, add the births second version, and then V3 add brutal debuffs depending on where you are in pregnancy/afterwards.

 

The main point of it would be to not fuck up MME, EC or ES. HP pretty much gets there, but pregnancy is a flat chance, and it's not SLIF native.

 

Chance of me actually doing that, about 5%. HP probably good enough.

[Ed86]

5 hours ago, GuruSR said:

The milk calculation, it stops during milking, yes or no?  Because it should, or at least take into account that the actor is being milked or was last milked.  The hourly addition can take value A and add it to value B and put it back into A, yet the milking machine just reduced A by 1, now it's over the amount again by the duration of an hour.  Perhaps one of the settings for the mod was altered by BAC (I did find the breast sizes all at -1, so anything is possible).

 

EDIT:  3.92 -> 4.57 just standing in Whiterun for waiting over a game hour until it changed.  Checked, all default settings, level 1, 107 milkings total.  The "feeding" animation takes always about 25 seconds to complete, didn't seem to mater what I set in the MCM for duration, so I could have a conflicting animation.  And what is with Malik the Stern, he keeps wanting & using the milking station in Whiterun, WTF?

 

EDIT 2:  I turned Feeding off, milking was quick, also turned FNIS PCEA2 animations off too, again, not sure if there is a conflict.

 

GuruSR.

no  milk calculation continues even if milking

while milking, and hourly update kicks in, you would get additional 3.92 -> 4.57= 0.6 milk to be milked to those you already should milk, it updates milk value everytick (5sec)

[Ed86]

1 hour ago, Lupine00 said:

Don't limit yourself to just those. You can do more!

 

But seriously, the lack of a modern pregnancy mod that plays nice with MME is bugging me so much now that I was even thinking of making an HP redux myself, and I'd much rather be playing Skyrim than doing what is basically work.

 

I was thinking very basic: SLIF only, no direct node support, MME required, no boob support at all, min chance, max chance, cycle time, doesn't do regular updates unless you're actually pregnant, giving birth lifted shamelessly from EC/ES, and the result is either a bunch of eggs that make you pregnant with eggs if you eat one, a soul gem, or absolutely nothing. No creatures, because they're work, and EC/ES is enough for anyone, and humans... Anything that wasn't just a hearthfire kid magically grown to full size would be a PITA.

 

In the first version, you'd only be able to give birth to nothing, add the births second version, and then V3 add brutal debuffs depending on where you are in pregnancy/afterwards.

 

The main point of it would be to not fuck up MME, EC or ES. HP pretty much gets there, but pregnancy is a flat chance, and it's not SLIF native.

 

Chance of me actually doing that, about 5%. HP probably good enough.

well hp works nice enough, its simple and very light compared to BF and does job, there soulgem and even children addons for it

though i lacks cycle simulation and integration to EC/ES

[GuruSR]

3 hours ago, Ed86 said:

no  milk calculation continues even if milking

while milking, and hourly update kicks in, you would get additional 3.92 -> 4.57= 0.6 milk to be milked to those you already should milk, it updates milk value everytick (5sec)

 

Ah, well, I just turned feeding on as a test, since she was nearly full, fed, milked, ended.  Belly was full, breasts were normal, then the hourly update happened, boom 4.57 (from 0.3ish) and her breasts turned into basketballs.  And according to the mod's MCM, it's 0.060, not 0.6.  The following settings are what is in the setup:

 

Milk Production (On), Economy (On), Poll value (Hourly), Maid Level Limit (Off), Milk Debuffs (On), Milk Gen Increase (0.060/hr), MaidLevel based MilkGen (Off), Lactacid Decay Rate (0), Lactacid bonus rate (10).  As far I can see, if I turn the feeding off, I don't see crazy milk generation, almost like it's using 100% of the Lactacid instantly each hour.  And how long is the feeding animation supposed to last?

 

EDIT:  Pictures showing the post milk level, then after the update.  Note the game time in the top left.

 

GuruSR.

[Shadex4]

I looked a few pages to see if previously posted but i couldn't find anything. Im having an issue and hope somebody can help. Im having an issue where the milk pumps don't seem to work not sure if its animation or script issue. When i try to use one i get the indication of something about to start(player controls lock) but she just stands their for a second then i regain control. Essentially nothing happens no start of animation, also no indication that the pump was used. I've tried reinstalling

[Kwengie]

can you please tell me why I don't have a menu anymore and can't make any settings?

[GuruSR]

2 hours ago, Shadex4 said:

I looked a few pages to see if previously posted but i couldn't find anything. Im having an issue and hope somebody can help. Im having an issue where the milk pumps don't seem to work not sure if its animation or script issue. When i try to use one i get the indication of something about to start(player controls lock) but she just stands their for a second then i regain control. Essentially nothing happens no start of animation, also no indication that the pump was used. I've tried reinstalling

Did you use the FNIS Generate for User before playing?  If not, do so, wait for it to tell you how many animations it found total (I did tell him that it should disable the Exit button until it was finished).

 

GuruSR.

[GuruSR]

Just a note, the "milk" items being added (or whaever is being done), each time a milk happens, at 25 of them, the game got choppy, until all the scripts that apparently were run for each ended.  (Intel I7-6700K, 1050Ti, not a computer issue.)

 

Was weird, after the milking (turned off the feeding to stop it from reloading [see previous post with photos]), the game camera movement was fps reduced, and got progessively worse the more milk collection, then ran around to the front of the building then it was like they all ended and the game went back to normal.

 

GuruSR.

[Shadex4]

52 minutes ago, GuruSR said:

Did you use the FNIS Generate for User before playing?  If not, do so, wait for it to tell you how many animations it found total (I did tell him that it should disable the Exit button until it was finished).

 

GuruSR.

Yeah I did run fnis before playing. Sadly their didn't seem to be an issue with it. Didn't look like an animation fail either when trying to cause pumps, such as the PC standing with arms out.

[Ed86]

50 minutes ago, GuruSR said:

Just a note, the "milk" items being added (or whaever is being done), each time a milk happens, at 25 of them, the game got choppy, until all the scripts that apparently were run for each ended.  (Intel I7-6700K, 1050Ti, not a computer issue.)

 

Was weird, after the milking (turned off the feeding to stop it from reloading [see previous post with photos]), the game camera movement was fps reduced, and got progessively worse the more milk collection, then ran around to the front of the building then it was like they all ended and the game went back to normal.

 

GuruSR.

well it seems that your skyrim has glitched and now runs multiple instances of mod, ive just tried with same config/maid stats as urs and i get ~1 milk per hour and i has no performance loss during milking