Chinese user selling SexLab mods for money

[EBallard]

For example, I heard that any company in the world that wants to operate partially in China is required to give at least 51% of its shares to the Chinese Labor Union. 

 

Even Cuba won't do this, my comrade. And even CNN won't tell you this bullshit.

[TheOzoneHole]

 

I still think that just giving Bethesda a heads up about someone selling Skyrim mods is the best action. Bethesda has far more power to throw about.

 

I'm sure there are people at Bethesda  who are well aware of LoversLab and/or SexLab, but I'd rather not draw their attention and stay out of their ongoing thoughts all the same. Considering the mod's pornographic content and their internal policy on such. I doubt they'd have much course of action against a Chinese marketplace in any case.

 

 

 

 

If they are selling the stuff why not get Bethesda Softworks involved and let them take action against them since all most everything used to make the mods are made by them or was made by using their software. I know they stepped in and made the author of that vampire mod for oblivion and forced them stop selling it or face legal action from them. 

 

The enforcement of copyrights and IPs has ever been free and loose in China. From knock-off Rolex to rebrand iPhones. I don't even think a call from a Bethesda lawyer will sway them. Plus this is SexLab we're talking about so even less incentive to take action. But there are quite a number of non sex mods packaged together. Anyone inform Bethesda? Interested to see what happens.

 

 

 

Regarding the above, yes turning Beth's eye toward us is more than likely a bad idea, but if FNIS and SkyUI are on the list then shouldn't someone inform the authors of those mods so that they can get in touch with BethSoft? Also, what about telling the YouTube spotlighters about this and letting them get the word out to the larger community? If this guy has gone after the stuff here, (and while I modded for Morrowind I wouldn't be surprised if my SPS mod was on one of the Chinese sites illegally) they have likely gone and stolen things that BethSoft would be willing to help the authors make claims against the site for. 

 

 

If anyone's dumb enough to buy an outdated, ad-infested version when they can get the up-to-date versions of everything for free then they and their money should part ways. Dumbasses.

 

Horse Armor, do I really need to say more?

 

Okay, yes I do, actually.  The main point (to me) isn't that this guy/site are selling the mods. It is that they are 1) STEALING them; and 2) at first claiming the work as his/their own and then after being called on it, claiming that they have permission from all the authors to use their content. In the field that I work in we call this falsifying research, and you get into a f#*k load of trouble when you get caught. 

[nicolasslee]

Not to dis the Chinese or anything, but my god their imports business models are back ass-wards. For example, I heard that any company in the world that wants to operate partially in China is required to give at least 51% of its shares to the Chinese Labor Union. Any company that doesn't comply with this law and China wants it, then that company is rendered powerless to stop the Chinese Labor Union from creating cheap knock-offs of any of their products. To be honest, I'm pretty surprised that websites like LL is even allowed in China. Granted what 3DM is doing is disgusting, it pales in comparison to what the gray areas of the Chinese business world can do.

That was 20 years ago.

[Ashal]

To reiterate;

 

• This is a post intended solely to raise wider awareness of what's going on. Put away your pitchforks.
   
• Chinese modders are, and always have been, perfectly welcome at LoversLab to release their content here if they wish, so long as it doesn't violate any of LoversLab relevant content rules. Just as any other country is more than welcome to do so as well. 
   
• My one and only request and/or suggestion of action to take against this issue is to simply encourage more translators to contribute any translations they are able to provide to the official authors, or if you are an author of a mod than to provide an easy means for translators to create translations for your mod.
  • Send me a private message if you don't know how to go about translating a mod or enabling translations files in your own mod and I will assist you as best I can.
     
• I have ZERO intention of notifying Bethesda, nor should anybody else. It's simply a bad idea through and through. End of discussion.
   
• I have ZERO intention of adding any sort of DRM to SexLab to combat the issue, if it wasn't stripped out immediately by the offenders, it would serve as little more than nuisance for every single person using the mod.
   
• I have ZERO intention of restricting Chinese traffic to LoversLab in any way. Doing so only serves to further justify the sale.
   
• You can stop suggesting I bring the other relevant big authors into it. Fore is already aware, I private messaged him about the issue the second I was aware of it and saw FNIS was included.

[zzz72w3r]

Not to dis the Chinese or anything, but my god their imports business models are back ass-wards. For example, I heard that any company in the world that wants to operate partially in China is required to give at least 51% of its shares to the Chinese Labor Union. Any company that doesn't comply with this law and China wants it, then that company is rendered powerless to stop the Chinese Labor Union from creating cheap knock-offs of any of their products. To be honest, I'm pretty surprised that websites like LL is even allowed in China. Granted what 3DM is doing is disgusting, it pales in comparison to what the gray areas of the Chinese business world can do.

 

Let's not detract from the issue at hand and turns this thread into China bashing.  What you stated is absolutely not true (there is no such thing as Chinese Labor Union, it's called the Chinese Communist Party for a reason).  China has been operating within the WTO (World Trade Organization) for about 20 years and is a member in good standing.  Like most developing countries its system is enabling much more crooks than developed countries with proper rule of law but the country's track record in terms of meeting international commitment is actually pretty good, despite whatever Western rights have said.

 

PS: operating "partially" in China literally means you don't own 100% of the operations in China.   

 

[27X]

Never heard of people getting sued for selling somebody else's free game modifications before. Are they actually breaking any law so you can report them and not get laughed at? Would copyright laws even cover this?

 

This is absurdly common in India, Malaysia, China and Korea. There's a literal ripoff of the ENTIRETY of Team Fortress with the only change being easternized character models. It's literally and completely Team Fortress.

 

Furthermore 3dm and other sites have been super hostile and condescending to western interests for years, this is simply the latest round.

 

They don't care and they will continue to steal content, and you can either get fruitlessly mad about it or you can simply ignore it. There is no recourse other than punishing all Chinese users.

 

Pretty sure you don't want LL turning into another Skyrim Cafe, or other Korean-style content/"pay to be a member"  prison.

 

 

 

Bethesda

 

Has far less pull than valve and will get exactly nothing accomplished other than getting chinese domains and providers blacklisted, which of course will punish people who have no dog in this fight.

[Yami X]

People who keep bringing up Bethesda please.......no that's a good way for everything to go smooth clean to hell.

[kilkomega]

 

Not to dis the Chinese or anything, but my god their imports business models are back ass-wards. For example, I heard that any company in the world that wants to operate partially in China is required to give at least 51% of its shares to the Chinese Labor Union. Any company that doesn't comply with this law and China wants it, then that company is rendered powerless to stop the Chinese Labor Union from creating cheap knock-offs of any of their products. To be honest, I'm pretty surprised that websites like LL is even allowed in China. Granted what 3DM is doing is disgusting, it pales in comparison to what the gray areas of the Chinese business world can do.

That was 20 years ago.

 

 

Yea, no longer applies since 1986.

[cxsora]

I think I'd batter mention a translator: xiaomiza. He was a 3DM member, leave 3DM because disgust this selling mod incident. He translate sexlab and devious mods too. And most translate are authorized by original moders. Many supporter come to his new bbs and use his free translated mods.

[kbsj007]

 

Maybe we can just pull chinese translations for now. However I'm not entirely sure what will come of that. Milling about doing nothing won't change much and the nature of this site just makes it hard to come to any definite solution, or a reasonable solution.

 

The link here might be FNIS and Fore though I'm not sure what he'll think of the situation if he was informed.

 

As a drastic measure to cut off their source of mods, I could easily ban all Chinese originating IP addresses from the site, but that'd be massively unfair to the many innocent users.

 

Making it more difficult on Chinese users to access original versions/translations does nothing but help him sell more at the end of the day. This post is mainly for awareness so more people know what's going on.

 

If 3DM is unwilling to take action against it, the best thing we could do is get Chinese translations into more of our mods, including them for free. So if anybody knows Chinese+English really well, I'd encourage them to start offering skse/string translation files for their favorite mods to include with their download. Edit: Infact I should probably mention this suggestion in the main post.

 

 

Greetings, Ashal. Thank you very much for SexLab mod and this thriving community. I am bilingual in both English & Chinese so if you need any help translating mods, please count me in. I live in Midwest and I know how to play with Skyrim String Localizer. Thank you again for your and others'  contributions to this community.

[windu190]

Correct my if I'm wrong but is asking money for video game mods even allowed? Basically every mod uses assets of the game itself, which is Bethesda property. 

Report this to Bethesda and just sit back and watch how Bethesda tears it down. They surely have the power to do so. 

 

Actually scratch that, I doubt Bethesda has enough backbone to go that far. 

 

I also tried to read that thread on Baidu, but the translator can't make heads or tails of it.. I get comments like "Disgrace throw home to the nation, people are looking for a home."     wot?

 

Blocking Chinese IP's won't work either, those IP bans are very easily circumvented. My goverment (netherlands) tried to do the same with Thepiratebay, didn't work that well. 

[afa]

The baidu thread replies seem mixed, I can't go past page one without signing up, and I don't plan to.

 

Going through some translation:

there's a few that seems to say something along the line of "the theft has been caught and the owners are knocking" Probably the "disgrace...." line is something like the theft is a disgrace to their home (country) and the owners are now knocking (on the door of their home)

Some are along the lines of "whatever get more stuff from other sites" (essentially users want more access to mods regardless where it is from)

A lot of user are questioning "hasn't the mod been free for the entire time"

 

It seems like most users got it for free or the whole paying thing didn't last long enough so people who got it previously got it for free, and with the new link showing a free download no one cares.

[windu190]

I think that is the best way to destroy his business. Make it known to the chinese modding community the mods are available for free here. No one would buy them then. 

[killercam21]

Why would people buy this ?

[BlackArk]

well.... I guess It is about time we swarm their forums and start taking their content and using it without their permission?
 
Most of their contents require these points to get so I am totally fine with sharing whatever I manage to get there from now on if anybody agrees with this method.

 

[Princessity]

well.... I guess It is about time we swarm their forums and start taking their content and using it without their permission?

 

Most of their contents require these points to get so I am totally fine with sharing whatever I manage to get there from now on if anybody agrees with this method.

And that promotes legitimate distribution of mods, awareness of harmful money grabbing practices and bridging the gap between western and eastern modding communities... how? n_n

[ratrace]

Was just a matter of time before that happens. But on a brighter side this says something about the quality of the LL SexLab mods and the SexLab framework itself. It says that the stuff's good enough to make people pay money for it.

 

@Ashal and all other SexLab mod makers: Don't get any stupid ideas... 

 

EDIT: Someone here posted that he or she wishes Bethesda to spring into action. I however hope Bethesda keep their hands out of the modding scene completely. I wouldn't want them interfering legally with modding at all, just because some assdork from China abuses and steals other peoples work for some quick buck.

Lawyers are not interested in virtue or justice. They want legal fights because they can make a profit of it.

[Darkening Demise]

I'm not surprised the Chinese have done plenty of these things before. Let alone just making complete rip offs of actual games.

[zzz72w3r]

I'm not surprised the Chinese have done plenty of these things before. Let alone just making complete rip offs of actual games.

 

Next time you enjoy HDT PE just remember that the author is from China.  Don't you think making general accusation against a country of 1.4 billion on this board of all places makes you kind of a hypocrite?  Ashal already made it clear that China bashing has no place in this thread.

[BlackArk]

 

well.... I guess It is about time we swarm their forums and start taking their content and using it without their permission?

 

Most of their contents require these points to get so I am totally fine with sharing whatever I manage to get there from now on if anybody agrees with this method.

 

And that promotes legitimate distribution of mods, awareness of harmful money grabbing practices and bridging the gap between western and eastern modding communities... how? n_n

 

 

Well, we would function as the "china" of mods, which would allow us to collapse their plan. But you are right it would promote xenophobia as innocent bystanders would be involved. Just like in real life. (I was typing my initial comment with some rage so I should redact it.)

 

We can also adopt a point system to redeem for mod downloads but that would give the moderators more work to detect point farming. Creating a small barrier to prevent the people from "stealing content" Only problem is that it would deter new users and we would be like their forum in a way.

 

We can also drop all Chinese translations and just let them do it themselves and I guess they will be paying for the translation services. make them work for their money?

 

Or even better yet. Mod creators should just promote LL within the mod itself like a MCM menu image and in game messages when the game starts. Even if your mod does not need a menu You can add one just for the hell of it. I am sure they know of the word FREE in English. They will still have the scripts and they can remove them but it would force them to do more work. The more work the thieves have to do to make a profit the less they will want to do it. If all mods had LL promotion built in they would have to edit out so much that they may actually give up.

 

The safest option for now would be to promote LL over on their forum, informing them of the free and better options here that also comes with troubleshooting. Only problem is that they can ban the accounts that promote LL and we would get nowhere. Then we can enact other plans.

 

I really do hope we can solve this without issues but if not I guess we should just let them make money off it until their user base smartens up and decides to get it directly from the source for free.

[DustyK]

This is quickly turning into a hate thread for an entire community, for the action of one person...

[Ashal]

This is quickly turning into a hate thread for an entire community, for the action of one person...

 

Agreed.

 

To reiterate for a 3rd time. Put away your pitchforks.

 

This is a thread intended solely to raise awareness, I absolutely do NOT condone anybody flooding any forum over this matter. My single and only hope from this thread besides awareness is to hopefully encourage more Chinese translators to contribute translations to the official authors. The best method to combat stuff like this is simply to provide better options for the community as a whole.  

[mkprovince]

Okay, I read through the first page of the discussion forum and I find that 3DM doesn't really have much dirt on this apparently. The "modder" just used 3DM as a front to capture the attention of downloaders and use the links provided to redirect them to the sales site. This is a tricky situation because in one hand 3DM is quite clean though their action of letting the page remains is kind of a bad deal altogether. Also, I think I've seen that seller's avatar on Nexus before... hope that's not the same person per say.

 

Unrelated but interested... Ashal, what's that translator you used when you posted. Hope you don't mind telling me that at the very least?

[Laura]

This is quickly turning into a hate thread for an entire community, for the action of one person...

 

True.

 

We shouldn't judge a entire community for the action of an individual.

 

[Just Checking]

With all the talk of getting Bethesda involved, I can't help but feel that even if they wanted to do something about it, they probably couldn't without also being forced to target LL itself.  Yes, someone's making money off of something that doesn't belong to them, but if Bethesda was to somehow get that taken care of without also bringing the hammer down on LL could be harmful to their image.  While this site is free to its users, and let's face it, we're pretty harmless here, the nature of some of the mods can still be quite dark.  A company like that may not want to be seen as supporting that kind of content, and defending this site's modders could be interpreted that way.  

 

I remember, shortly after Skyrim came out, some kind of small conspiracy theory among (extremely) religious parents that the game was a giant promotion for homosexuality and satanism, or something similar.  While that was minor, only confined to a small group while everyone else went about their business, it was still negative publicity.  I wouldn't be especially surprised to see something similar happen over some perceived support of LL by Bethesda.  They would have to at least make a show of saying how much they disapprove of some of the content in order to keep certain potential buyer groups happy, and that in turn could be harmful for LL.

 

To throw in my totally unprofessional opinion, I like the sound of getting Chinese translations for the mods up here, and finding a way to get word out that we have them among Chinese modding communities.  If people know they can get it for free, why pay for it, right?   If I knew Chinese, I'd love to help.  Accomplishing this quickly would be a good way to discourage this kind of thing.  Of course, we then run the risk of him nabbing the translations and continuing to sell them to people who don't yet know about this site, this time for no work at all.  A tricky situation to actually do something about, isn't it?