billypnats Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 Putting in the message may not stop people from selling it but it does create a lot more awareness. some of the posts on the thread are already giving thumbs down on the OP. What we can also do is open our own legit thread there with links to outcompete the other thread.
carnifex Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 Intro pop-up for SL maybe? 如果你为此付出了你搞砸了的不仅仅是你的游戏。 If you paid for this you got screwed in more than just your game. Except there's no way to include it in such a way that would be impossible to remove. Quite ironically, the normal users of LL would be the only ones ever getting the message.
Redflyingmonkey Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 That would only be kinda (there are still some fiddly ways around it involving decompilers) possible if Ashal incorporated it in an essential script SL couldn't work without and then didn't include the script source with the download. Which would hurt legitimate MODDERS interested in developing SexLab mods more than any thieves. Modders who could ultimately ask for the source by private message directly to Ashal. Say, with an actual project and proof that they are not going to fuck around with it (it's funny 'cause I'm talking about SexLabn y'know, 'fuck around with it' ...). It would also prevent certain people from hacking into the source scripts and building certain patches concerning certain forbidden actors (*cough* pedo hacks, I'm talking about pedo hacks, *cough*) Three birds with one stone (by birds I mean the thieves, the pedos and the risk of catching Bethesda's eye because of the thieves and the pedos), billy's solution could actually be a good thing for everyone, if it's doable of course.
treekiller12585 Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 It is posible to send a DMCA request to them?
Princessity Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 That would only be kinda (there are still some fiddly ways around it involving decompilers) possible if Ashal incorporated it in an essential script SL couldn't work without and then didn't include the script source with the download. Which would hurt legitimate MODDERS interested in developing SexLab mods more than any thieves. Modders who could ultimately ask for the source by private message directly to Ashal. Say, with an actual project and proof that they are not going to fuck around with it (it's funny 'cause I'm talking about SexLabn y'know, 'fuck around with it' ...). It would also prevent certain people from hacking into the source scripts and building certain patches concerning certain forbidden actors (*cough* pedo hacks, I'm talking about pedo hacks, *cough*) Three birds with one stone (by birds I mean the thieves, the pedos and the risk of catching Bethesda's eye because of the thieves and the pedos), billy's solution could actually be a good thing for everyone, if it's doable of course. Sooooooooooo fighting "piracy" with punitive "DRM"? ^^ We haven't seen that before...
cxsora Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 I'am a Chinese. Many Chinese and I are disgust and strongly condemned this behavior too. And this mod pack often cause save file broken(many people said), so I'd rather use original mods here.
Redflyingmonkey Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 Sooooooooooo fighting "piracy" with punitive "DRM"? ^^ We haven't seen that before... If we have seen that before it means that it kind of works I don't see how it could be punitive for anyone else than people who do need to be "punished" though, it's restrictive okay, but it would still allow serious modders to work normally, all they would need is to send to Ashal a presentation of their work if they need the source. And it's not even piracy, all the mods are for free so that term looks a little off, it's more like moronic swindle ...
EBallard Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 FYI: 3DM is the biggest piracy game download site in China, they never give any f*ck about copyright issues. And you won't be surprised that 3DM have the dumbest community that even wish to pay for piracy sh*t.
kilkomega Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 Damnit, what a shame. This is absolutely the last thing a Chinese community member want to see. I contacted a 3dm staff and was told according to their moderator board Ning Lou's moderator position has been permanently dismissed. However they refused to ban his ID or take any further punishment measure simply because they perceive Ning's violation as private misbehavior. Besides, they would like to keep him around as a productive translator and do not want to anger Ning's supporters, so they simply prohibit any discussion on this issue and pretend a dismissal solves everything. There are even some other moderators spoke in defense of him in public. Which was totally ridiculous, a thief has got his supporters. Best joke of the year. Considering the lack of respect for mod creators and extremely low level of copyright awareness in 3DM, this is not unbelievable. Don't be distressed tho Ashal, most Chinese players know what is right and who is the one thankworthy.
rangedphoenix Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 It makes me want to take the time to make the MCM stuff I've done more easily translatable. It's too bad that I don't really know how to go about doing this. I've looked it over before and it made my head hurt...
Emprah Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 Perhaps we could make things a lot easier for some people by offering a little installer of our own? Just a small thing that has Sexlab and perhaps some of the most popular mods for it?
ning999 Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 for sale thing ... according to Learn~ most people's against him!
Tanglin Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 For many of us who download mods from LoversLab, we'd need assistance in terms of clarification or troubleshooting from time to time. That Ning Lou guy would be inundated with calls for support from those who paid for his stolen mods and he'd be hard-pressed to provide it. He's going to, at best, make a few easy bucks for a short time before negative word-of-mouth feedback chases his potential customers away.
lmktaooo Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 Maybe we can just pull chinese translations for now. However I'm not entirely sure what will come of that. Milling about doing nothing won't change much and the nature of this site just makes it hard to come to any definite solution, or a reasonable solution. The link here might be FNIS and Fore though I'm not sure what he'll think of the situation if he was informed. Well, unfortunately most Chinese translator will not to dare use their real name or main ID for this work, for post anything 18X online or work for it is illegal, even if only do translation... But we can translate mods and add this language interface into them, to make an offical Chinese version... This will take a hit on the unauthorized translations, I think...
lmktaooo Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 Maybe we can just pull chinese translations for now. However I'm not entirely sure what will come of that. Milling about doing nothing won't change much and the nature of this site just makes it hard to come to any definite solution, or a reasonable solution. The link here might be FNIS and Fore though I'm not sure what he'll think of the situation if he was informed. As a drastic measure to cut off their source of mods, I could easily ban all Chinese originating IP addresses from the site, but that'd be massively unfair to the many innocent users. Making it more difficult on Chinese users to access original versions/translations does nothing but help him sell more at the end of the day. This post is mainly for awareness so more people know what's going on. If 3DM is unwilling to take action against it, the best thing we could do is get Chinese translations into more of our mods, including them for free. So if anybody knows Chinese+English really well, I'd encourage them to start offering skse/string translation files for their favorite mods to include with their download. Edit: Infact I should probably mention this suggestion in the main post. Well, to invite somebody from Chinese translators to do the offical translation is a good idea, but for our Chinese relevant laws, the translator's name and ID must to be protected.
lmktaooo Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 I agree with Billypnapts. Sexlab should have an intro screen message on the MCM menu that says it is indeed free along with the rest of the mods and warning others that it's a violation to sell it or any mod that uses it. Of course that is not the solution to this particular problem, but a future counter measure. To this problem I believe Bethesda should be notified about this via e-mail and let them handle it however they like. You could also try finding out which chinese public agency is responsible for intelectual property (if there is any related to the internet even better) and contact them about it as well. There should be restrictions on his site entirely. Unfortunately, ALL THINGS ABOUT 18X NEVER have any intelectual property and any protection from laws...
lmktaooo Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 Intro pop-up for SL maybe? 如果你为此付出了你搞砸了的不仅仅是你的游戏。 If you paid for this you got screwed in more than just your game. The properer translation is: 你对该MOD的购买行为所毁掉的不仅仅是你的游戏。
zzz72w3r Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 My 0.02: 1. What is 3DM: 3DM is the largest game pirate site in China in practice. In rhetoric, it's public stance is that the site offers "mods" to introduce local gamers to contents not formerly sold or available in China (Taiwan and Hong Kong where most AAA games are available in Traditional Chinese do not count in this context). This allows it to operate within the grey area legally, which is pretty much how most of big Chinese Internet companies got started. They will not take down popular content just because LL said so, especially that LL has not legal representation in China. The objective of this site is to drive traffics by all means necessary. For example, for EACH download the site generally requires the user to post twice on the board to accumulate points, more for higher quality mods. So don't count on support from the moderators to take the issue seriously on your behalf. 2. Why is there a demand for someone like NingGe: Because the way 3DM and similar Chinese site operates, you can imagine that 99.9% of the posts are nonsense. In another word, unlike here or even Nexus to a much less extent, there is almost no chance an user can get technical support at 3DM (top mod can have 2000+ pages of comments where 99.99% are nonsense). On top of that there is also the language barrier so the hurdle is quite high for Chinese gamers to play with mods properly (let's leave the fact that 99% of them are playing with pirated Skyrim out for the moment). Therefore, merged mod packs are immensely popular where the "author" actually spend a lot of time working out the kinks of the mods he/she/they chose to go into the localized pack. Very few are with original authors' consent but one cannot argue the value for Chinese users. For comparison see how popular More Nasty Creatures is here. 3. What can LL do: Unlike 3DM user base who don't care where the contents come from, Chinese mod authors are mostly supportive of LL and a few have taken down their mods on 3DM in protest. The problem is that they have nowhere to go. It would be tremendously helpful if LL welcome these authors and have them as voice of conscience in China. You cannot police 3DM besides making your official protest known but if there is enough Chinese community here then they can be your champion of reason. Who knows if enough author decides to defect then this could be the premier Skyrim mod community for Chinese authors. HDT PE for example is getting far more development here than anywhere in the world AFAIK, albeit probably not the kind of works he/she/they had in mind but still.
herryk159 Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 I am a Chinese,also a 3DM member. The paid versions has been removed from TAOBAO and 3DM ,but the taobao store remains, The blue,red,yellow text buttons links to a page to purchase a kind of "support"or"service",like "Helping you install MOD" and "sloving some CTD issues"...whatever,I don't want to know. In my piont,rebraning and saling MOD is awful and disgusting. Many Chinese user against to his behavior,Including me. Most of 3dm members are using the free version. All I want to say is Thanks for you guys'GREAT work.
kilkomega Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 My 0.02: 1. What is 3DM: 3DM is the largest game pirate site in China in practice. In rhetoric, it's public stance is that the site offers "mods" to introduce local gamers to contents not formerly sold or available in China (Taiwan and Hong Kong where most AAA games are available in Traditional Chinese do not count in this context). This allows it to operate within the grey area legally, which is pretty much how most of big Chinese Internet companies got started. They will not take down popular content just because LL said so, especially that LL has not legal representation in China. The objective of this site is to drive traffics by all means necessary. For example, for EACH download the site generally requires the user to post twice on the board to accumulate points, more for higher quality mods. So don't count on support from the moderators to take the issue seriously on your behalf. 2. Why is there a demand for someone like NingGe: Because the way 3DM and similar Chinese site operates, you can imagine that 99.9% of the posts are nonsense. In another word, unlike here or even Nexus to a much less extent, there is almost no chance an user can get technical support at 3DM (top mod can have 2000+ pages of comments where 99.99% are nonsense). On top of that there is also the language barrier so the hurdle is quite high for Chinese gamers to play with mods properly (let's leave the fact that 99% of them are playing with pirated Skyrim out for the moment). Therefore, merged mod packs are immensely popular where the "author" actually spend a lot of time working out the kinks of the mods he/she/they chose to go into the localized pack. Very few are with original authors' consent but one cannot argue the value for Chinese users. For comparison see how popular More Nasty Creatures is here. 3. What can LL do: Unlike 3DM user base who don't care where the contents come from, Chinese mod authors are mostly supportive of LL and a few have taken down their mods on 3DM in protest. The problem is that they have nowhere to go. It would be tremendously helpful if LL welcome these authors and have them as voice of conscience in China. You cannot police 3DM besides making your official protest known but if there is enough Chinese community here then they can be your champion of reason. Who knows if enough author decides to defect then this could be the premier Skyrim mod community for Chinese authors. HDT PE for example is getting far more development here than anywhere in the world AFAIK, albeit probably not the kind of works he/she/they had in mind but still. Precisely. You seems to know a lot about such unspoken rules.
Galacticat42 Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 Not to dis the Chinese or anything, but my god their imports business models are back ass-wards. For example, I heard that any company in the world that wants to operate partially in China is required to give at least 51% of its shares to the Chinese Labor Union. Any company that doesn't comply with this law and China wants it, then that company is rendered powerless to stop the Chinese Labor Union from creating cheap knock-offs of any of their products. To be honest, I'm pretty surprised that websites like LL is even allowed in China. Granted what 3DM is doing is disgusting, it pales in comparison to what the gray areas of the Chinese business world can do.
kilkomega Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 Not to dis the Chinese or anything, but my god their imports business models are back ass-wards. For example, I heard that any company in the world that wants to operate partially in China is required to give at least 51% of its shares to the Chinese Labor Union. Any company that doesn't comply with this law and China wants it, then that company is rendered powerless to stop the Chinese Labor Union from creating cheap knock-offs of any of their products. To be honest, I'm pretty surprised that websites like LL is even allowed in China. Granted what 3DM is doing is disgusting, it pales in comparison to what the gray areas of the Chinese business world can do. Hell you are right. Twitter was banned, then facebook was out, now they even got Google for national security. Sometimes as a Chinese living in US I really don't want our government acting so greedy and possessive, but they never care.
Yami X Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 Man......what the fuck!? I hope you and all the other great mod authors get this problem sorted out good luck man.
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