Chinese user selling SexLab mods for money

[foxia]

I'm still a newer member here, but reading through the thread and the idea of also packing and making official Chinese translations available is sorta a catch 22 isn't it? Nothing against it I'm for such a thing to help other users who don't speak English (Wish I knew Chinese or some other language to help with translations) but at the same time if free translations were provided, doesn't that also make it even easier for the thief? Why bother making translations of the latest version, when he can just sit back and wait for the official free translations, just go over what he thinks needs a quick fix, then recompile it into his installer and he can profit off of both the free mods and the free translations?

 

Either way it's a catch 22, damned if you do, damned if you don't.

 

Spreading the word about free translations though is a good idea. It can help stop the thievery to a degree.

 

Lastly the thought of DRM is a bad idea.... DRM, while it's a beautiful idea in theory, it doesn't work at all. It can work with some success for a number of years (i.e. Sony and the PS3 or Sony and there rootkit scandal which they go in trouble over) but who is it really stopping? Who is it really hurting? It's not stopping the pirates, nor is it hurting them. The only people it hurts are those who would get sexlab legitimately and for free through loverslab. When a pirate is determined they will find a way to bypass DRM.

[WaxenFigure]

 

I would like it a lot more if we could just somehow provide better service HERE for the Chinese (and every other language in the world for that matter) than they could get on the 3DM forum.

 

I am thinking about how to win without doing anything ugly and this is definitely the way to do it. It would also give Lovers Lab a larger audience

and help make sure this forum stays in business.

[Redflyingmonkey]

If DRM on Sexlab source code is not conceivable, and if the translation of mods is not a real thing, you guys would need some inside dudes in 3dm and other foreign websites to start pinning threads with links to the Sexlab mods here, or to the Chinese translation there. Just imagining people buying mods just because they don't want to read a google translation of this website to find what they want is kind of sad. 

If translating all the mods will take a really long time, asking someone who speaks Chinese to translate at least the mod's description pages would help those foreign lurkers when they're looking for "automatic" kind of mods where they don't really need a translation. Most of the mods listed in the stolen "package" are what I am talking about, mods without story line or dialogue whose translation is not necessary. Lazy people would still buy them because they can't understand what they do from the MCM menus, a situation easily solved by simply translating the mod description. 

 

 

[zzz72w3r]

Chinese like everyone else will not pay for something when free versions are provided, however, Chinese gamers are willing to pay for this merged pack because:

 

1. As shown on this board it is not a trivial task to get all these mods with multiple dependency and each in different stages of developments working smoothly together.  The Chinese merged mod packs make that task easier for users.  However, localization and mod merging is not a walk in the park.  Ashal is reaching out to the Chinese community represented here to make the task easier and provide a bridge between users in China and mod authors based here.

 

2. Due to the way these Chinese game sites operates it is almost impossible for users to get technical support for Skryim mod even if someone is willing to help in their own language.  A merged mod pack not only lowers the need for technical support by reducing the chance of incompatibility between mods within the pack but also that if you are charging for something there is implicit understanding that some form of support will come with it, support that currently no one is providing.  This is the grey area that moderators at 3DM wants to be in.  While they publicly disapproved charging for content they don't have problem being a conduit connecting people who are willing to pay for support of illegally or unethically obtained content.  They come out looking all "proper" and still get all the traffics. 

 

Boycotting or starting a flame war at 3DM are terrible, terrible ideas because the demand is there and LL content is open.  Worst, 3DM can easily report LL to the Chinese Great Firewall and have LL blocked (legally they should just like UK, Singapore and many other developed countries blocking porn).  My understanding is that strong support for LL at 3DM by authors and most of its rational user base has already led to quite a few trolls waving the nationalistic red books and slinging muds at those defending LL there.  Only the bad guys win if the outcome is that China is cut off from LL and 3DM and others like it get to corner access to LL mods even more. 

 

Putting out the welcome mat to Chinese authors who wish to work in a collegial environment and matured user base here is the best option for everyone. 

[Zydar]

I think we should also try and do something on our end as well. Modders should be encourage to code using some kind of trademark, like their name in their code. They could also put in some information containing where it was uploaded, who is the author and maybe a disclaimer saying that this was provided for free and if they paid for it they were basically cheated. Maybe add an info tab in the MCM menu with the information so its more visible to the user, if not the main tab itself.

 

When they have issues with the mods, I am sure that the users would likely be directed here whether its by the sellers or by a google search of their problem. This would bring me to the next point.

 

We could think of standardized mod page format, with clear info of required mods, known issues and it could also include the disclaimer. Written in something simple and clear. Not that it is currently lacking though, since a lot of times I noticed that users seem to skip reading it when asking in the forums. A translation of it to other languages would be helpful as well, I am just not sure of what language should it always be translated into besides English.

 

Once there is awareness of the mods here in LL I am sure that people would wise up and not pay for something that is provided for free. They would feel what we would feel after being cheated and such and in the end the sellers would lose their credibility in the end. Of course, there would be no way of getting those money back but who knows if those users would make an effort through the laws they are more familiar with compared to us. We will just have to wait and see after making our move.

 

 

 

On merging multiple mods into a package, I am not so sure about that. Given the nature of modding I feel that it would be more effort than necessary on our part and simplifying the sellers' work at the end. If somehow there is any one dedicated on this however then I am ok with it.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited because what I'm trying to say is all over the place lol

[Illuminati]

What I think is the most damaging part of all this is this kills motivation for the very few, and talented, programmers/modder that we have. They're doing all this because they want to, not because they have to and are getting paid. I just hope this doesn't start the decline of modding for this site and for Skyrim.

[Eradawn]

The chinese members that posted in this thread are the only hope for the translate free version. for the chinese that want only the free stuff. So stop being offense against them. I think many of them are on our side and want to help too, and iam still being confused about discussions that have nothing to do with the main problem like the import of china and other things, seriously that just dumb to discuss this here it is politic and not skyrim modding.

 

And to be honest something like this could happen to many mods. And pls dont offend the arrow and knee team they always share their entire work with all people on nexus and here on LL So only this moderator on 3dm forum is the source of all evil not any other chinese guy.

 

I mean it would also be nice if some of the chinese would share some more mods made by them on the forum with here on LL forum. They also getting the free mods here at LL like a fair trade for all members.

 

And antoher hard task is to believe every one in their words of saying something.

 

Edit : Also that asking about permission should be done too that lacks at a lot of mods , on both forums

Credits also.

[Eagle331]

It's sad that we have to live in a world were things like this happen.

The saddest part is that they will probably get away with it with little to no punishment.

 

Ironically, this made me kind of depressed after I just got back from a family trip to Vegas like around midnight and I see this. Meh...

Maybe we on this front should just let this pass, I've to say the damage is limited to China market specifically because they (the chinese citizens) mostly have no access to information to the outside world since they are banned from using facebook, google the the likes of western infos mostly. There's a sucker born everyday if there's a buyer. The Sysop or moderator ain't helping the cause either. So unless they pm us or anyone from here and Nexus. Our hands are quite tied in this matter. Bad hats are bound to be ANYWHERE.

Sad I agree but it's our community, and we should not let something like this dampen us.

[MadokM]

If they are selling your mods,then pirate this  "Ning Lou Love Lab" and give this to people for free.

[27X]

Chinese like everyone else will not pay for something when free versions are provided, however, Chinese gamers are willing to pay for this merged pack because:

 

1. As shown on this board it is not a trivial task to get all these mods with multiple dependency and each in different stages of developments working smoothly together.  The Chinese merged mod packs make that task easier for users.  However, localization and mod merging is not a walk in the park.  Ashal is reaching out to the Chinese community represented here to make the task easier and provide a bridge between users in China and mod authors based here.

 

2. Due to the way these Chinese game sites operates it is almost impossible for users to get technical support for Skryim mod even if someone is willing to help in their own language.  A merged mod pack not only lowers the need for technical support by reducing the chance of incompatibility between mods within the pack but also that if you are charging for something there is implicit understanding that some form of support will come with it, support that currently no one is providing.  This is the grey area that moderators at 3DM wants to be in.  While they publicly disapproved charging for content they don't have problem being a conduit connecting people who are willing to pay for support of illegally or unethically obtained content.  They come out looking all "proper" and still get all the traffics. 

 

Boycotting or starting a flame war at 3DM are terrible, terrible ideas because the demand is there and LL content is open.  Worst, 3DM can easily report LL to the Chinese Great Firewall and have LL blocked (legally they should just like UK, Singapore and many other developed countries blocking porn).  My understanding is that strong support for LL at 3DM by authors and most of its rational user base has already led to quite a few trolls waving the nationalistic red books and slinging muds at those defending LL there.  Only the bad guys win if the outcome is that China is cut off from LL and 3DM and others like it get to corner access to LL mods even more. 

 

Putting out the welcome mat to Chinese authors who wish to work in a collegial environment and matured user base here is the best option for everyone. 

 

Essentially this.

 

1. You don't want BGS lawyers involved in any way, shape, or form. They will not take kindly to this site, and it was already a logistical feat tog et modding for Skyrim open, strange how people have seen to have forgotten that. If you want to see mods and modding im TESVI: Elsweyr of the equivalent, you don't want BGS involved, period. If they're more than willing to sue John Carmack and OVR/Facebook over alleged infringing, what exactly do you think is going to happen to a site where you can dl children npcs/followers or turn your pc into a child and then download sexlab and or some beastiality mods. Yeah.

 

2. 3DM are enabling this, but they're still a third party. The point is to get them understand communication is key, and supporting theft in the long term isn't to anyone's benefit.

 

3. HDT and three bodies used with SL were made or updated/maintained by chinese users, and the skeleton the current SOS/SL skeleton is based on were originally made by a chinese modder, slamming them in any blanket statement is simply dumb and ignorant.

 

4. The best weapon is information.

 

[marcus312]

Would it be too much to have a subsection here on LL for the Chinese community?

[Eagle331]

It'll just be like CDs and DVDs. And those companies go through hell to stop pirates. Success rates? Zilch. Not everyone's a pirate but there are bound to some. After these Chinese will come Russians, then Nigerians, then what?

 

One thing's for sure, they're putting SL onto the world map for free. We're not profiting from mods here, but it'll sure give publicities to the creators and modders from this site

[Just Checking]

It'll just be like CDs and DVDs. And those companies go through hell to stop pirates. Success rates? Zilch. Not everyone's a pirate but there are bound to some. After these Chinese will come Russians, then Nigerians, then what?

 

One thing's for sure, they're putting SL onto the world map for free. We're not profiting from mods here, but it'll sure give publicities to the creators and modders from this site

 

Sadly, it doesn't, because the guy selling this mod pack is giving no real indication where he got them or who made them.  A first he was claiming they were his, then he left it at "I have permission to use these" (he was not given permission).  If he was leaving something in the pack that could direct people back to LL or some of the modders here, that might be different, but he simply isn't.

[Prancing Doe]

I have to say that I absolutely love lovers lab, and while I am thoroughly PISSED at seeing some douche make a living charging for something given freely to the community I too have to agree that bringing Bethesda into this would do more harm than good. As far as DRM? Screw that, and not in a good way. DRM is naught but a pain in the arse that only hinders legitimate users. I know only English and typonese, so am of absolutely no use in translation. But to our fellow Chinese brethren, whether modder or player, I would ask that if you run across things like this in the future, Would it not be easier to just post a link to the free and legitimate versions here on Lovers lab? It may seem like a pacifist's way, but it would potentially ruin the chances of any sales. Anyway to all you modders who work so hard to bring goofballs like me the mods we love, I salute you and say thanks for your great mods and services.

[Mars]

I bet if on startup LL mentioned the Tiananmen square massacre they would drop the sales asap.

[Pixie-K]

Leave it to the chinese to steal everyone's stuff and resell it as their own. Their entire culture has been doing it for years.

[hadisdc]

What about creating a dragon claw door with some words like "From Loverslab.com" or an image as background.

After opening the door, our sexlab framework begins to initialize.

This may be a little funny.. and useful for infoming a player the source of sl.

Just a simple idea

 

By the way, as a Chinese, I much hate this taobao thing.

For the official translator, I recommand xiaomiza, he's good translator with many fans in ...3DM.

Like many Chinese modder/translator did, he has left 3DM since this bad Ning-Luo thing and updates his translation work on a new site skyrimcitizen.net.

[zyf2008]

I bet if on startup LL mentioned the Tiananmen square massacre they would drop the sales asap.

Then this site would be banned forever in China.

[Just Checking]

 

I bet if on startup LL mentioned the Tiananmen square massacre they would drop the sales asap.

Then this site would be banned forever in China.

 

On top of that, it wouldn't exactly be a nice intro to users that don't know it's a theft deterrent.  A new SL user loads up their game and it drops something like that on them, I doubt they'd think too highly of it.  We don't want to make enemies with people, the best thing to be done is to outfox this guy.  Find a way to draw attention away from him and over to the forums here.  He used 3dm as a sort of advertisement to direct people to his pay to use mod pack.  It might be possible to do something similar to draw potential users to LL.  That said, it would cost money and who knows if it would actually work.  This is mostly just me rambling at this point, disregard this idea as some guy thinking out loud.  Unless it gives you a better idea, in which case, act on it.

[WaxenFigure]

 

Time to end this, please look back at the responses already and you'll see that everything that really needs to be done is already being done and progress is being made.

 

I would also like to welcome our Chinese friends who have taken this opportunity to make themselves known here, may you all be able to enjoy what we have provided here.

[judge0]

Well, to look on the bright side . . .

 

We have just gained a number of new members, some of whom seem eager to translate for the existing mods/modders.

Some are modders in their own right.

 

Buddy trying to sell Sexlab and related mods may just have done us a favour.

 

I'd like to welcome all the new members.

[Fuzaki]

Leave it to the chinese to steal everyone's stuff and resell it as their own. Their entire culture has been doing it for years.

 

that was uncalled for.

[Skyrimdude]

I think this threads probably run it's course now

 

An interesting read! As just a general user it still quite annoys me this happened and hope none of our fabulous and hard working modders are put off.

[Goubo]

 

 

Dear authors in Loverslab:

 

I’m a huge fan of your mods and I’m very grateful to every mods crated by you.However, I have to apologize for my negligence and some misunderstand caused by it,hoping that we can resolve all the problems between us.

Living in countryside, I always suffer from the bad condition of the Internet and it’s even harder to view the foreign website.I would like to see that your mods can be played by more and more Chinese players, but with the difficulties, I have to spread it without asking for permission.

To get the latest version of your mods, I asked some of my friends to send them to me.Please don’t blame them as they are innocent anyway.

I have to admit that I didn’t noted the original authors in my integrate package.This has been fixed in my latest version and you can see all the origin of the mods.

If we can build up a connection, I would like to help you to spread your mods with my “柠珞LOVE实验室”.

Talking about the problem of ‘Selling’,I must confirm that I didn’t use any mod to make money.Actually, we have a rechargeable service for green hands, helping then dealing with mods.I have completely redone my works ,hoping that this can mend fences and help Chinese players to know more about SEXLAB.

I really appreciate your mods and hardwork.

Please accept my sincere apology for failing to reply your interpellation in time.

 

Cordially

LemonJade

 

Seems the guy made his apologies saying he didn't receive any money from it, which seems hard to believe after reading this thread even if I don't understand everything of what exactly happened and the green hand thing.

At least he his now giving proper credit, that's better.

 

Personally, he still does not have my permission, if he asked before for packing my mod with other I would have gladly given my permission if it can help non-English speaker to play with our mods and of course as long as it's not for money... the difficulties to ask for permissions excuse is not valid... and even less for credits...

 

I would just have asked for at least credit and the translation files to include in the mod on LL directly... it's the same with the japanese community who translate our mods for themself, I don't care they can do whetever they want but they could at least send the files to be included. Let's work hand in hand (Just wash it before )

[Guest]

Couldn't you actually put the information in the mod? That way people who do buy it will at least realise they got ripped off and kick up a fuss on his site and demand refunds etc.

 

And as for Bethesda, as most people have said the less they know about this site the better, to be honest, especially if there's gonna be law suits surrounding it because someone will find out and claim that Bethesda is defending the adult mods and they'll try to distance themselves from it, possibly asking the guys to stop working on SL altogether

 

thats exactlly what i thougt. nothing hurts a seller more than a bunch of angry customers.