Mass Effect 3

[Surenas]

Having no clue, well, that goes both ways. Whatever, got a message for Mr Anderson...

[video=youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT2-piew-qo

 

 

 

 

 

 

[gregathit]

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I just love Angry Joe. Agree with him or not he is a crack up!

[remois]

In fact, I gave up on the endings, I mean the endings could have been good if it wasn't so contrasted with all the game...

It's like if at the end of a my little pony game, the ponies went on rampage raping an cannibalizing each other: No matter how logical or not the ending would be it just wouldn't fit (though this one could be worth seeing )

 

Anyway, you have to remember: Other companies may make games, but at bioware, they make art...

 

There is only one dlc I really want though: It's "Mordin, the musical..."

 

(I think it's said that way in english)

[Surenas]

The deleted cut scene of the death of the squadmates reveals the original storyline: a final death march without survivors - the ultimate sacrifice of the Space Messiah and his disciples in the last run, their all too easy automatic killing by the Harbinger, literally being pipped at the post and the resulting sorrowful end of all organic in the Sol system. A last vision of final self-justification of the three different MEs (Shepard=Shepard/Anderson/TIM) and a last holografic temptation by the Diabolos ex machina that persuades the dying mind of the illusion of choice where is none in fact and the Passion of Space Messiah is over, finally, ending in a endless sea of blood. Mission ostensibly failed, sign of all messianism and yet key to its success in the much later preaching (here: in the stargazer/child epilogue). The perhaps expected human-led Holy War to reconquer the universe, to wipe out the (synthetic) opponent planet by planet like Paul Atreides and his Fremen warriors in Frank Herbert's Dune epos, well, this doesn't take place here, it's shunted to elsewhere and a much later time and under more peaceful, obviously illusionary omen in the epilogue, the next cycle. Earth, the blue planet, however, is lost, so it seems.

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Whoever wins - we lose! No resurrection shuffle as it was in ME:2. The new Shadow Broker has gone to the shadows as did TIM's Cerberus. Game Over!

That's a perhaps new and above all harrowing experience for players that are trained to stay alive and to win against all odds... and be it in God mode. And only time will tell if we who we have witnessed the death of a Messiah would ever be able to turn his defeat in the overcoming of the 50k-year doom loop of sin (here: the ceation of synthetic images) into a victory like Paul in New Testament or the stargazer in the epilogue to Mass Effect 3, most of us won't, I fear. Humans are ignorant, cursed to repeat the errors of the past in an endless loop. So be it!

 

 

 

[GSBmodders]

earth is not lost, the galaxy is not lost nor is interstellar travel. watch the pax footage on youtube and read this fan interview with Patrick Weekes

 

Unofficial Interview with Patrick Weekes conducted by a fan at Pax

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11154234/1

 

bioware has also dedicated a horde additional writers to this ending dlc, and dispelled some of the negative rumors going around that the dlc would only contain a few lines of dialog and a couple more cutscenes.

 

there is apparently going to be a bit more content regarding game play and choices

which is briefly mentioned in one of the pax video's i watched

[Surenas]

Sorry, but I don't believe in Santa Claus anymore.

The unofficial interview is apparently made with the holografic child, eh?

 

[gregathit]

earth is not lost' date=' the galaxy is not lost nor is interstellar travel. watch the pax footage on youtube and read this fan interview with Patrick Weekes

 

Unofficial Interview with Patrick Weekes conducted by a fan at Pax

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11154234/1

 

bioware has also dedicated a horde additional writers to this ending dlc, and dispelled some of the negative rumors going around that the dlc would only contain a few lines of dialog and a couple more cutscenes.

 

there is apparently going to be a bit more content regarding game play and choices

which is briefly mentioned in one of the pax video's i watched

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I would love to be hopeful but honestly......I am not sure they have the ability to pull a rabbit out of this particular hat. I just don't know if I can accept any "clarification" or "closure" with that stinking star child still in the game. I am not really a betting sort, but if I was, I would be all in on this as it appears to be nothing more than a "bluff" by bioware.

 

It is a clever bluff, I will give them that. It dampers down the anger a touch and possibly gives them 4-6 months to distract people.

 

Now don't take any of this the wrong way, as I would love to be forced to eat my words and doubts in this case! But after bioware's asspull ending.....I just don't believe anymore....sorry.

[Surenas]

I'd like you to change the emphasis of the ending away from the indigestive Freudian citadel vison back to the wiped out citadel commando. You won't understand the visionary ending without facing the fate of those fighting on the ground. When we hear the radio device stating that none has survived the assault, and that includes the chosen squatmates (see deleted seq. above), Shepard's superior antagonist, the Harbinger, stops firing immediately cos there's nothing left to fire at and apparently leaves the local scene. Now the Harbinger is vividly interested in Shepard, dead or alive acc. to the plot, remember? It's like a hunt for two in which both think of themselves as being everything but the prey. As long as Shepard hasn't yet gone to the shadows like the rest of the commando (and Anderson didn't even participate actively in the military task, if memory serves), the Harbinger is still interested in Shepard's mind, the hunting trophy. So the question is not if Shepard actually stumbles towards the beam or not but rather if the Harbinger lures Shepard's indoctrinated mind into the final vision of Nietzsche's transvaluation of values (paragon is renegade and vice versa in the confrontation of the three different MEs), successfully assuming direct control (control or synthesis choice) or not (destruction, i.e. restart of the cycle choice).

 

 

[GSBmodders]

I would love to be hopeful but honestly......I am not sure they have the ability to pull a rabbit out of this particular hat. I just don't know if I can accept any "clarification" or "closure" with that stinking star child still in the game. I am not really a betting sort' date=' but if I was, I would be all in on this as it appears to be nothing more than a "bluff" by bioware.

 

It is a clever bluff, I will give them that. It dampers down the anger a touch and possibly gives them 4-6 months to distract people.

 

Now don't take any of this the wrong way, as I would love to be forced to eat my words and doubts in this case! But after bioware's asspull ending.....I just don't believe anymore....sorry.

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It's tough to say, I know back when I was still working at SSI we suffered a streak of failures that ended up costing a lot of jobs and crippled our finances.

 

Everyone had the attitude that if we made it the consumers would buy it, that back fired on us when we released the 2nd Renegade title the Battle for Jacob's Star and from there no matter wtf we did it all just kept going to shit which lead up to us being bought up by mindscape and sold off to mattel and later ubisoft who eventually put us out of our misery

 

this right now is whats going through ray's head, SSI was a giant in its day on top of it's genre much like bioware. It took 4 games to change our fortunes from being the top dog to a leper. so I dont think Bioware will risk it by not delivering the wild card however is EA and I think thats all that needs be on that

 

[Surenas]

There is no such wildcard just to please an overrated crowd that simply doesn't (want to) see the obvious. Anyway, with the upcoming DLC, doubtlessly a blockbuster, the crowd gets what it deserves...

[GSBmodders]

There is no such wildcard just to please an overrated crowd that simply doesn't (want to) see the obvious. Anyway' date=' with the upcoming DLC, doubtlessly a blockbuster, the crowd gets what it deserves...

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good lord your still pretending to know wtf your talking about

 

[gregathit]

It's tough to say' date=' I know back when I was still working at SSI we suffered a streak of failures that ended up costing a lot of jobs and crippled our finances.

 

Everyone had the attitude that if we made it the consumers would buy it, that back fired on us when we released the 2nd Renegade title the Battle for Jacob's Star and from there no matter wtf we did it all just kept going to shit which lead up to us being bought up by mindscape and sold off to mattel and later ubisoft who eventually put us out of our misery

 

this right now is whats going through ray's head, SSI was a giant in its day on top of it's genre much like bioware. It took 4 games to change our fortunes from being the top dog to a leper. so I dont think Bioware will risk it by not delivering the wild card however is EA and I think thats all that needs be on that

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The really sad thing is ME3 could have bought bioware some much needed respite from the DA2 hate. Personally, aside from the laziness of reusing dungeons layouts/textures and the other niggles I did enjoy DA2. Obviously I did not think it was as good as DA:O but is was an amusing side story in the DA universe.

 

Now that ME3 went sideways on them, imagine the pressure that DLC for it will have. Can't be a warm and fuzzy feeling in the office at this point. I imagine they are as disgruntled as many of the fans.

 

The strain on the DA3 folks to not only NOT repeat DA2 but to also avoid the even bigger backlash from ME3. Working at bioware is probably not the bed of roses it once was.

 

I really do hope they can pull their heads out of the sand and do the extended endings right. No one really gains if bioware goes the route of SSI or the many other giants that have similarly fallen. This whole deal is just sad. If they learn from it however it can have a positive impact.....if it isn't too late already......

 

As to EA being a wild card: Yep, I could not agree more. I too have worked for their type. Folks like them tend to make the entire process so much harder than it really needs to be.

 

Time will tell if anyone is taking notes and learning from this debacle.

 

 

[gregathit]

There is no such wildcard just to please an overrated crowd that simply doesn't (want to) see the obvious. Anyway' date=' with the upcoming DLC, doubtlessly a blockbuster, the crowd gets what it deserves...

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good lord your still pretending to know wtf your talking about

 

 

LOL...I am just ignoring her at this point, much like the 2 or 3 pro-ending people on BSN

[GSBmodders]

The strain on the DA3 folks to not only NOT repeat DA2 but to also avoid the even bigger backlash from ME3. Working at bioware is probably not the bed of roses it once was.

 

your forgetting that TOR is still in a steady nose dive' date=' and that bioware is still developing the next COC which many myself included predict will be a flop. Biowares strength has never ever been combat related. the AI system they are so proud of in ME 3 is a joke, adding a tank class and flooding an area with npc's that routinely bounce grenades back into themselves does not give one bragging rights. not to mention if you rush there spawn points they are even easier to defeat then any ai bioware has developed to date

 

I really do hope they can pull their heads out of the sand and do the extended endings right. No one really gains if bioware goes the route of SSI or the many other giants that have similarly fallen. This whole deal is just sad. If they learn from it however it can have a positive impact.....if it isn't too late already......

 

As to EA being a wild card: Yep, I could not agree more. I too have worked for their type. Folks like them tend to make the entire process so much harder than it really needs to be.

 

Time will tell if anyone is taking notes and learning from this debacle.

 

The lessons have all ready been learned. Everyone at bioware knows whats going on, You will never convince me that this is going unnoticed and there is no doubt in my mind that if they could have delayed another 3 - 6 months they would have. EA however simply dosnt care they knew that they would make money and they know that they will continue to make money off bioware untill they decide that the brand name has become damaged goods and we know to well what happens next

 

Studio's closed assets are liquidated and IP's are passed off to developers that have little to no prior experience working in the genre.

 

but like I said EA could bend a bit and allow for more development time in the furure. That this ending DLC is even been made suggests that for now EA is at least thinking of protecting there investment

 

 

LOL...I am just ignoring her at this point' date=' much like the 2 or 3 pro-ending people on BSN

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thats usually what I do, I'm reminded of my daughters dog that constantly nips my ankles. every now and then I just cant resist sending it flying

[Surenas]

 

LOL...I am just ignoring her at this point' date=' much like the 2 or 3 pro-ending people on BSN

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And so do I. The permanent whininig here isn't my element.

[GSBmodders]

 

LOL...I am just ignoring her at this point' date=' much like the 2 or 3 pro-ending people on BSN

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And so do I. The permanent whininig here isn't my element.

 

yet you continue to return, the wonders never cease

 

[gregathit]

That this ending DLC is even been made suggests that for now EA is at least thinking of protecting their investment.

 

That may be the one saving grace in all of this. EA, while greedy and narrow minded surely sees that the ME universe is a gold mine if properly handled. That ea is allowing bioware a chance to "fix" things is indeed a sign of them perhaps backing off just a smidgen. Let's hope that bioware doesn't blow it this go around or ea may start tinkering again, which will surely result in the downhill slide.

 

Hope for the best, but expect the worst. Being an optimistic pessimist is such a drag sometimes

 

 

 

[Surenas]

 

LOL...I am just ignoring her at this point' date=' much like the 2 or 3 pro-ending people on BSN

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And so do I. The permanent whininig here isn't my element.

 

yet you continue to return, the wonders never cease

To disagree with your childish whining, the halt of interaction where there is none on your side and leaving the thread is not the same, kiddo - it's just your wishful thinking. You don't even grasp the nature of the ending, never tried, even less its crippled presentation on the citadel, so what.

 

[gregathit]

To disagree with your childish whining' date=' the halt of interaction where there is none on your side and leaving the thread is not the same, kiddo - it's just your whishful thinking.

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You know what amuses me most......that you think that your whining about others whining is somehow different!

 

Perhaps the childish one is you? Seeing as you can't see any difference between yourself and those you wish to criticize.

 

Myself and others have been trying to confine our insults and venom towards the game and its makers. While you on the other hand throw your insults and venom at us and claim that we are being childish????????

 

How is what we are talking about here much different than you in the "I hate the nexus" thread???? Seems like you have a bit of a double standard thing going on.

 

 

EDIT: Since you obviously don't know any of us from Adam I think it is quite foolish to assume what we can or can't grasp. Perhaps we did "see" what you are talking about and dismissed it for the rubbish that it is.

[Vedli]

This is a pretty good video on the flaws in the ending

 

 

It is quite long (39 mins) but it's very understated, not whiny and the author often makes jokes at his own expense. For those who want a quick list on what the objections the video raises here you go:

 

1. The ending abandons the established genre the series has set itself in.

2. Abandons character focus and asks us to replace our emotional attachment to the crew of the Normandy with an emotional attachment to organics.

3. Changes the central conflict within the story.

4. That the above three lead to a greater problem by causing a loss of narrative coherence.

 

It's a great video and I really enjoyed it but then I'm a Mass Effect nerd who has long since moved from been angry at the ending to wanting to take it apart and see where it went wrong.

 

Oh and just for giggles what the ending is like if you remove Glitter Child.

[gregathit]

Vedli, I saw that video over at BSN and I recommended it to the couple of bioware employees who were hanging around the forums (not stanley woo of course, who has clearly demonstrated that he thinks bioware can do no wrong).

 

That vid is a fantastic example to show how disconnected and convoluted the ending truly is. I would not be shocked if that vid was already linked to in the some 60 pages we already have.

 

Either way thanks for posting the vid!

We know now what stage of ME3 you are at

[Vedli]

Vedli' date=' I saw that video over at BSN and I recommended it to the couple of bioware employees who were hanging around the forums (not stanley woo of course, who has clearly demonstrated that he thinks bioware can do no wrong).

 

That vid is a fantastic example to show how disconnected and convoluted the ending truly is. I would not be shocked if that vid was already linked to in the some 60 pages we already have.

 

Either way thanks for posting the vid!

We know now what stage of ME3 you are at

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Mate, I've completed ME3 five times already (Well I say "completed" for the last 3 play-throughs I just play up to the last scene with your romance partner in London and then quit lol).

 

[gregathit]

Mate' date=' I've completed ME3 five times already (Well I say "completed" for the last 3 play-throughs I just play up to the last scene with your romance partner in London and then quit lol).

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LOL

 

I understand stopping the game at that point and head cannoning the rest!

 

I was jokingly referring to the 5 stages of mass effect (see the spoiler in post 262): http://www.loverslab.com/showthread.php?tid=4847&page=27

 

[thesapien]

Yeah, I can't stop playing it either.

[thesapien]

Does anyone here play as manShep? Yesterday, I gave it another go and was reminded of the first time I ever played ME, which wasn't good. Originally with ME, I dropped the game after the first mission, only to retry it years later with a femShep. I'm not sure if it's just the voice acting or something else, but as manShep the ME series is just another game to me. As femShep, it's my favorite. Dunno.