Zoranus Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 I might try it later when I get some more updates done, thanks for sharing!
bearcano Posted September 12, 2015 Posted September 12, 2015 It would be great to incorporate this: http://www.loverslab...and-defloration It's a virginity/defloration mod that shows blood. It seems like a waste to just have it occur once, though. It would seem to me that it would be ideal in the following cases: - Loss of virginity - Large insertions (Compare size to pliancy) - High arousal would lower chances of it occurring, low arousal would increase chances... I've said before that I think arousal should be taken into account in the W&T system generally, not sure that it is already - Random chance of it occurring in case of nonconsent Adding text to Apropos that indicates that it has occurred ("Blood begins to trickle down your leg") or something would be good too. (moved this from the Apropos thread since it's more appropriate here)
Merilirem Posted September 13, 2015 Posted September 13, 2015 I'd love a way to turn off the cheesy extra stuff and be left with the bare bones of what's actually happening. Raping an npc's and having the game say they got off on it has completely ruined many encounters. It seems like so much of the writing has been done with the porno idea that it's better for everyone to be whores, and banging=pleasure etc, that it would be better to just have basic stuff. At the moment a lot of the rape dialog just seems like domination, not to mention the immersion breaking way it tends to bring up boyfriends, fathers and other odd social conventions, which almost never fit into the situation, whether it's rape or consent. I just want to be able to enjoy the solidification of having words, without the cheesy and often delusional sounding parts. If it's possible to do this already, i apologize and would love to know how. My dragonborn is not crazy in the way that would let them believe all the nonsense his mod spouts off. I mean sometimes it's fine, but having every rape victim get off on it or characters whose families are long dead bring up their fathers..it's just weird. If there is a less fantasy, porno or more realistic/dark version, i would be alot happier. The words just improve the conveyance of what's happening so much in a lacking animation system which cannot handle the complexities of emotion and more subtle physical behaviours that i won't stop using it even with the cheesy stuff. I just prefer to play a more immersive and realistic skyrim, which the current text fails to truly convey. Like i said, its porno dialogue which is by nature less realistic than dragons and guards attacking you mid dragon fight.
Grimbold the unlovely Posted September 13, 2015 Posted September 13, 2015 Just delete/rewrite the messages you don't like. It's not hard to do.
Kinky Posted September 13, 2015 Posted September 13, 2015 I'd love a way to turn off the cheesy extra stuff and be left with the bare bones of what's actually happening. Raping an npc's and having the game say they got off on it has completely ruined many encounters. It seems like so much of the writing has been done with the porno idea that it's better for everyone to be whores, and banging=pleasure etc, that it would be better to just have basic stuff. At the moment a lot of the rape dialog just seems like domination, not to mention the immersion breaking way it tends to bring up boyfriends, fathers and other odd social conventions, which almost never fit into the situation, whether it's rape or consent. I just want to be able to enjoy the solidification of having words, without the cheesy and often delusional sounding parts. If it's possible to do this already, i apologize and would love to know how. My dragonborn is not crazy in the way that would let them believe all the nonsense his mod spouts off. I mean sometimes it's fine, but having every rape victim get off on it or characters whose families are long dead bring up their fathers..it's just weird. If there is a less fantasy, porno or more realistic/dark version, i would be alot happier. The words just improve the conveyance of what's happening so much in a lacking animation system which cannot handle the complexities of emotion and more subtle physical behaviours that i won't stop using it even with the cheesy stuff. I just prefer to play a more immersive and realistic skyrim, which the current text fails to truly convey. Like i said, its porno dialogue which is by nature less realistic than dragons and guards attacking you mid dragon fight. I tottaly support this. I was thinking about removing appropos coz messages are to often just inapropriate to the scene and turns out every woman is a whore who is doing it 50 times per day with whatever can be sticked inside her.
Reesewow Posted September 13, 2015 Posted September 13, 2015 I'd love a way to turn off the cheesy extra stuff and be left with the bare bones of what's actually happening. Raping an npc's and having the game say they got off on it has completely ruined many encounters. It seems like so much of the writing has been done with the porno idea that it's better for everyone to be whores, and banging=pleasure etc, that it would be better to just have basic stuff. At the moment a lot of the rape dialog just seems like domination, not to mention the immersion breaking way it tends to bring up boyfriends, fathers and other odd social conventions, which almost never fit into the situation, whether it's rape or consent. I just want to be able to enjoy the solidification of having words, without the cheesy and often delusional sounding parts. If it's possible to do this already, i apologize and would love to know how. My dragonborn is not crazy in the way that would let them believe all the nonsense his mod spouts off. I mean sometimes it's fine, but having every rape victim get off on it or characters whose families are long dead bring up their fathers..it's just weird. If there is a less fantasy, porno or more realistic/dark version, i would be alot happier. The words just improve the conveyance of what's happening so much in a lacking animation system which cannot handle the complexities of emotion and more subtle physical behaviours that i won't stop using it even with the cheesy stuff. I just prefer to play a more immersive and realistic skyrim, which the current text fails to truly convey. Like i said, its porno dialogue which is by nature less realistic than dragons and guards attacking you mid dragon fight. I tottaly support this. I was thinking about removing appropos coz messages are to often just inapropriate to the scene and turns out every woman is a whore who is doing it 50 times per day with whatever can be sticked inside her. There is totally a way to do this.... it is called editing the database to remove the lines/words you don't like, or just redoing all the lines from scratch to suit what you want the mod to present. There's nothing stopping people from making a "matter of fact/immersive" database that has no erotica style lines. As for how to - read the last few pages of the thread and you'll see people have been sharing their databases and snippets of databases for others to use, you'd just need to follow their example.
Zoranus Posted September 13, 2015 Posted September 13, 2015 I'd love a way to turn off the cheesy extra stuff and be left with the bare bones of what's actually happening. Raping an npc's and having the game say they got off on it has completely ruined many encounters. It seems like so much of the writing has been done with the porno idea that it's better for everyone to be whores, and banging=pleasure etc, that it would be better to just have basic stuff. At the moment a lot of the rape dialog just seems like domination, not to mention the immersion breaking way it tends to bring up boyfriends, fathers and other odd social conventions, which almost never fit into the situation, whether it's rape or consent. I just want to be able to enjoy the solidification of having words, without the cheesy and often delusional sounding parts. If it's possible to do this already, i apologize and would love to know how. My dragonborn is not crazy in the way that would let them believe all the nonsense his mod spouts off. I mean sometimes it's fine, but having every rape victim get off on it or characters whose families are long dead bring up their fathers..it's just weird. If there is a less fantasy, porno or more realistic/dark version, i would be alot happier. The words just improve the conveyance of what's happening so much in a lacking animation system which cannot handle the complexities of emotion and more subtle physical behaviours that i won't stop using it even with the cheesy stuff. I just prefer to play a more immersive and realistic skyrim, which the current text fails to truly convey. Like i said, its porno dialogue which is by nature less realistic than dragons and guards attacking you mid dragon fight. I tottaly support this. I was thinking about removing appropos coz messages are to often just inapropriate to the scene and turns out every woman is a whore who is doing it 50 times per day with whatever can be sticked inside her. There is totally a way to do this.... it is called editing the database to remove the lines/words you don't like, or just redoing all the lines from scratch to suit what you want the mod to present. There's nothing stopping people from making a "matter of fact/immersive" database that has no erotica style lines. As for how to - read the last few pages of the thread and you'll see people have been sharing their databases and snippets of databases for others to use, you'd just need to follow their example. Pretty much this, but I'm sympathetic to those who kind of just want it to exist without doing the work: The writing for it takes more time than it looks, and its actually not easy to get it in good quality. I'm pretty much working on my non-consensual files with that very thought in mind, for that very reason. I want to help out other people. Bit busy, thus a delay in updates but I can crank out some specific animations if anyone is requesting.
afa Posted September 13, 2015 Posted September 13, 2015 If you only need a statement on what is happening, technically you need a lot less lines than the typical database. All you need is one variation per sex type, or even less depending on what you are into and then copy, and then paste it for other situations.
karlpaws Posted September 13, 2015 Posted September 13, 2015 If you only need a statement on what is happening, technically you need a lot less lines than the typical database. All you need is one variation per sex type, or even less depending on what you are into and then copy, and then paste it for other situations. What we'd need is a list of which animations differ, and how, from the standard vaginal / anal / oral animations. Many of the non-descriptive files just have tone, and that is copied from one to another. With many of the newer animations having a different action each stage, it would take some time to go through each one, either watching a preview or taking notes in game while cycling through each animation, and then writing the files for the db.
Reesewow Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 If you only need a statement on what is happening, technically you need a lot less lines than the typical database. All you need is one variation per sex type, or even less depending on what you are into and then copy, and then paste it for other situations. What we'd need is a list of which animations differ, and how, from the standard vaginal / anal / oral animations. Many of the non-descriptive files just have tone, and that is copied from one to another. With many of the newer animations having a different action each stage, it would take some time to go through each one, either watching a preview or taking notes in game while cycling through each animation, and then writing the files for the db. It would probably work alright as a start to just mercilessly cut down a database like Decauk's that already has alot of unique animations built already and just make descriptive lines based on what is written there. With a base like that, the writer could just play the game and note whenever an animation just doesn't fit, and make a uniqueanimation folder/entry for it later on (protip - if you open the console while an animation is running with Apropos you can see what animation it is/what stage you are on/what tags it has ect). Each person playing has a different idea of what the correct tone/context is, so unless a user puts the work in (and it is a LOT of work to try to just sit down and do) there isn't really an alternative other than to use someone else's preferred messages. Maybe at some point we'll have multiple fully fleshed out databases with a wide range of tones that can be toggled in-game via the themes.... but that's a good chunk of time and alot of people sharing what they've made away from happening.
karlpaws Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 If you only need a statement on what is happening, technically you need a lot less lines than the typical database. All you need is one variation per sex type, or even less depending on what you are into and then copy, and then paste it for other situations. What we'd need is a list of which animations differ, and how, from the standard vaginal / anal / oral animations. Many of the non-descriptive files just have tone, and that is copied from one to another. With many of the newer animations having a different action each stage, it would take some time to go through each one, either watching a preview or taking notes in game while cycling through each animation, and then writing the files for the db. It would probably work alright as a start to just mercilessly cut down a database like Decauk's that already has alot of unique animations built already and just make descriptive lines based on what is written there. With a base like that, the writer could just play the game and note whenever an animation just doesn't fit, and make a uniqueanimation folder/entry for it later on (protip - if you open the console while an animation is running with Apropos you can see what animation it is/what stage you are on/what tags it has ect). Each person playing has a different idea of what the correct tone/context is, so unless a user puts the work in (and it is a LOT of work to try to just sit down and do) there isn't really an alternative other than to use someone else's preferred messages. Maybe at some point we'll have multiple fully fleshed out databases with a wide range of tones that can be toggled in-game via the themes.... but that's a good chunk of time and alot of people sharing what they've made away from happening. Pretty much, its that "at some point" and since we have a couple people putting things up now, we're developing a base to start with. Just look at the number of animations we have now, compared to what there was at the begining. It might be nice to have an empty skeleton.... a UniqueAnimations file with all of the known animations listed in it, folders for all of the animations, and Stage1 - Stage7 files (just in case). I think if there was a list of animations, a bat script or powershell script or something could make all the folders and fill them in.
2dr0b Posted September 15, 2015 Posted September 15, 2015 I recently went through the process of combing through animations and creating a series of unique descriptions, somewhat akin to what is being discussed. In the interests of saving space: If you only need a statement on what is happening, technically you need a lot less lines than the typical database. All you need is one variation per sex type, or even less depending on what you are into and then copy, and then paste it for other situations. What we'd need is a list of which animations differ, and how, from the standard vaginal / anal / oral animations. Many of the non-descriptive files just have tone, and that is copied from one to another. With many of the newer animations having a different action each stage, it would take some time to go through each one, either watching a preview or taking notes in game while cycling through each animation, and then writing the files for the db. It would probably work alright as a start to just mercilessly cut down a database like Decauk's that already has alot of unique animations built already and just make descriptive lines based on what is written there. With a base like that, the writer could just play the game and note whenever an animation just doesn't fit, and make a uniqueanimation folder/entry for it later on (protip - if you open the console while an animation is running with Apropos you can see what animation it is/what stage you are on/what tags it has ect). Each person playing has a different idea of what the correct tone/context is, so unless a user puts the work in (and it is a LOT of work to try to just sit down and do) there isn't really an alternative other than to use someone else's preferred messages. Maybe at some point we'll have multiple fully fleshed out databases with a wide range of tones that can be toggled in-game via the themes.... but that's a good chunk of time and alot of people sharing what they've made away from happening. Pretty much, its that "at some point" and since we have a couple people putting things up now, we're developing a base to start with. Just look at the number of animations we have now, compared to what there was at the begining. It might be nice to have an empty skeleton.... a UniqueAnimations file with all of the known animations listed in it, folders for all of the animations, and Stage1 - Stage7 files (just in case). I think if there was a list of animations, a bat script or powershell script or something could make all the folders and fill them in. Couple of quick thoughts that may help: 1) There’s a tab in a workbook I posted which lists a number of animations, their registration name and description. Doesn’t cover everything but could be a start. There’s a column “unique” which means that I deemed it necessary to use language in the animation which differed from the “standard” descriptions. I built this list by spending a bit of time watching animations in game and creating the descriptions. I only included the animations that I was interested in and that Apropos will support, so there are some gaps. Apropos can be set to provide output to the console so you can read the registration name as the animation starts by pressing the [~] key. Keep the workbook open while you do this and you can switch back and forth and add your data. 2) I divided animations into vaginal, anal, oral and other. Then subdivided by stages. Then subdivided again by actor’s position. So I have a set of text I like for each stage of “standard” vaginal sex (which I arbitrary decided was defined as actors in the missionary position) which serves as the base. I then tailored that text for vaginal sex with actors in various different positions. The degree of tailoring required depended on the amount of language in the given sentence that referred to the position of the actors. I consulted the list of animation descriptions referenced above and built out a complete set of text for each subsubcategory of animation. Once I had this built it was easy to then read the animation description and copy and paste suitable text. If, as mentioned, the intent is to have neutral language that mostly describes the animation, this should be quick. I spent some time working on the initial base text descriptions so that I would have enough content that I liked before tailoring it. 3) A synonym heavy sentence structure can be easily adopted to different tones by changing the values of the synonym.txt fields. Example: "{PRIMARY} {MEEKLY} {ACCEPTS} {ACTIVE}'s {HUGE} {COCK} into her {PUSSY}, just like {MFAMILY} taught her." Let’s say you don’t like the tone of the sentence that comes out using the values in my synonym.txt file. If you could change the values in the synonym.txt file for {MEEKLY}, {ACCEPTS} and {MFAMILY} to neutral values, you will get an output that fits your desired tone. The advantage in this approach is that it is relatively more efficient to make changes to a single .txt file compared to a series of changes across many unique text files. This is not going to result in 100% satisfactory content every time but I think it gets you a 70% solution. Disadvantage, as has been pointed out, is that it is much less elegant than original tailored content. Again, this tailored approach is most successful in sentence structures that feature a lot of synonyms. Looking quickly, I’m not sure how much of what I posted will be viable. I like the idea though, it is a lot easier to make changes to one text file then to track changes across an entire database. 4) Very interested in seeing what you come up with, good luck!
karlpaws Posted September 15, 2015 Posted September 15, 2015 I recently went through the process of combing through animations and creating a series of unique descriptions, somewhat akin to what is being discussed. Couple of quick thoughts that may help: 1) There’s a tab in a workbook I posted which lists a number of animations, their registration name and description. Doesn’t cover everything but could be a start. There’s a column “unique” which means that I deemed it necessary to use language in the animation which differed from the “standard” descriptions. I built this list by spending a bit of time watching animations in game and creating the descriptions. I only included the animations that I was interested in and that Apropos will support, so there are some gaps. Apropos can be set to provide output to the console so you can read the registration name as the animation starts by pressing the [~] key. Keep the workbook open while you do this and you can switch back and forth and add your data. 2) I divided animations into vaginal, anal, oral and other. Then subdivided by stages. Then subdivided again by actor’s position. So I have a set of text I like for each stage of “standard” vaginal sex (which I arbitrary decided was defined as actors in the missionary position) which serves as the base. I then tailored that text for vaginal sex with actors in various different positions. The degree of tailoring required depended on the amount of language in the given sentence that referred to the position of the actors. I consulted the list of animation descriptions referenced above and built out a complete set of text for each subsubcategory of animation. Once I had this built it was easy to then read the animation description and copy and paste suitable text. If, as mentioned, the intent is to have neutral language that mostly describes the animation, this should be quick. I spent some time working on the initial base text descriptions so that I would have enough content that I liked before tailoring it. 3) A synonym heavy sentence structure can be easily adopted to different tones by changing the values of the synonym.txt fields. Example: "{PRIMARY} {MEEKLY} {ACCEPTS} {ACTIVE}'s {HUGE} {COCK} into her {PUSSY}, just like {MFAMILY} taught her." Let’s say you don’t like the tone of the sentence that comes out using the values in my synonym.txt file. If you could change the values in the synonym.txt file for {MEEKLY}, {ACCEPTS} and {MFAMILY} to neutral values, you will get an output that fits your desired tone. The advantage in this approach is that it is relatively more efficient to make changes to a single .txt file compared to a series of changes across many unique text files. This is not going to result in 100% satisfactory content every time but I think it gets you a 70% solution. Disadvantage, as has been pointed out, is that it is much less elegant than original tailored content. Again, this tailored approach is most successful in sentence structures that feature a lot of synonyms. Looking quickly, I’m not sure how much of what I posted will be viable. I like the idea though, it is a lot easier to make changes to one text file then to track changes across an entire database. 4) Very interested in seeing what you come up with, good luck! Thanks. I was going to look at your spreadsheet at some point. Haven't gotten to it yet. Been playing and testing other mods, (there is a College of Winterhold NPC overhaul I found via the Amourous Adventures mod forum.. very nice. Needs the Apachi hair mods though. http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/67359/?) I did think about doing what you mentioned in 3) but after seeing what it makes, and what your dialogs have made, I am not sure if I want to. Picking the right synonyms is very important, or you get some really wierd combinations. That was partially what developed into my "longer phrases" idea, where you construct fragments and then string them together, either as he says/she responds, or orders and actions, or something else similar.
LewdBug Posted September 17, 2015 Posted September 17, 2015 Hello, Gooser and co! First off, love the mod. Really helps keep things interesting, though I have a question regarding it. Not sure if this has been brought up, but is there any work being done for this mod to work with Fill Her Up? That, or is there an inflation database, perhaps? I know that base Apropos touches on the concept, but I thought I would ask, as I use Fill Her Up, and think it would be interesting to see them work in conjunction. Just a thought.
gooser Posted September 17, 2015 Author Posted September 17, 2015 Hello, Gooser and co! First off, love the mod. Really helps keep things interesting, though I have a question regarding it. Not sure if this has been brought up, but is there any work being done for this mod to work with Fill Her Up? That, or is there an inflation database, perhaps? I know that base Apropos touches on the concept, but I thought I would ask, as I use Fill Her Up, and think it would be interesting to see them work in conjunction. Just a thought. Thanks - Filler Her Up has its own description system , independent of Apropos. It looks like: { "stringList" : { "20.either" : [ "You feel gobs of gooey cum slowly trickling inside you.", "Your holes are sticky from all the cum inside you.", "You can feel the cum slowly leaking from your holes." ], "30.either" : [ "The slow leak of the gooey jizz from your orifices remind you of the sex you had.", "You can feel the warm seed sloshing inside you, keeping you aroused and slick, an easier prey for whoever will want to take you next.", "You cannot help but feel glowing and happy from the still-warm cum inside you." ], "30.vaginal" : [ "You can feel warm and gooey spunk slowly dripping inside your vagina." ], "30.anal" : [ "You can feel the sticky gobs of cum lubricating your backdoor." ], "40.either" : [ "The large load that was forced into you is now slowly leaking out of your holes, in a way both humiliating and arousing.", "The pool of cum inside you is sloshing with every step, a reminder of how much a slut you are." ], "40.vaginal" : [ "You can feel the flood of warm jizz that was forced in your womb now seeping back in your vagina." ], "40.anal" : [ "The load of cum you received in your ass is now spreading a warm feeling inside your tummy." ], "50.either" : [ "Your cum-dilated belly is the visible proof to anybody of how much of a whore you are." ], "50.anal" : [ "You can feel how filled up your ass is from the loads of cum you received." ], "60.either" : [ "The huge load of seed in your belly is squelching with your every movement, reminding you of the pounding you took." ], "60.vaginal" : [ "Your twat and thighs are covered in the gooey cum leaking from your filled belly." ], "60.anal" : [ "You can feel the buckets of cum you took in the ass now making their way out of you, in a gooey flood on your thighs." ], "70.either" : [ "Huge loads of cum are sloshing around in your inflated belly, hampering your movements.", "Your belly is distended by the cum inside you, despite the constant leaking down your thighs, forcing you to walk carefully." ], "70.plugged.either" : [ "You can feel your body trying to expell the huge load of cum inside you, but the plugs are keeping you well filled.", "Your sphincters spasm around the plugs, trying somehow to push the gooey spunk out of your inflated belly." ], "70.vaginal" : [ "You can feel the gooey loads of seed in your dilated womb squirting down in your cooch and onto your legs." ], "70.anal" : [ "The anal pounding you took is making walking painful, and the huge pool of jizz in your bulging tummy is not helping." ], "80.either" : [ "The huge loads of spunk forced into you are painfully bloating your innards, making any movement difficult." ], "80.plugged.either" : [ "Your muscles spasm against plugs inside you, but barely any of the spunk that is distending your belly manages to escape." ], "80.vaginal" : [ "The forceful impregnation is distending your womb, making your whole body ache." ], "80.plugged.vaginal" : [ "The sea of cum distending your womb is sloshing painfully inside you, left no escape by how well plugged you are." ], "80.anal" : [ "Your entrails are painfully stretched by the cum enema you received, shamefully sloshing inside you with every move." ], "80.plugged.anal" : [ "Despite the relentless pressure from the cum distending your belly, the flaring plug in your ass is not letting a drop leak." ], "100.either" : [ "Your belly is stretched past anyone's limits, the cramps both painful reminder and public shame of the cum whore you are.", "You double down, pain lancing through your bloated innards as the huge loads of seed inside you are making their way down.", "The weight and the wobling around of your grossly distended belly almost makes you trip with every step, as flashes of pain wash over you." ], "100.plugged.either" : [ "With your every move, you can feel gooey spunk painfully squirting back and forth inside your bloated innards, not a drop escaping past the girth of the plugs stretching your holes." ] } } You will have to ask the Fill Her Up support thread about customization.
lapponia Posted September 17, 2015 Posted September 17, 2015 Earlier I made post to the main Apropos thread I should have put in this thread instead... Here is it again: Here's one thing that annoys me a bit, and also couple ideas:From FemaleActor_Male_HandJob_Rape_Stage2.txt, 3rd Person:(this is just an example, this problem appears in thousands of cases)"Will the {ACTIVE} be satisfied with this? What if he wants {PRIMARY} to suck him?",This can show up as this:"Will the Imperial Soldier be satisfied with this? What if he wants Sonja to suck him?".Or this:"Will the Ulfric be satisfied with this? What if he wants Sonja to suck him?",Article "the" shouldn't not appear in the latter case, not when {ACTIVE} is an named NPC. At the moment, the article is hardcoded into the description files, but it would be nice if we could make it dynamic.Here's one solution:1. Replace all entries (quickly done with batch find-replace) of "the {ACTIVE}" with "{THE_ACTIVE}"2. Add String THE_ACTIVE_NAME_TOKEN = "{THE_ACTIVE}"3. Change the GenerateStandardTokenMap function Int Function GenerateStandardTokenMap(String primaryName, String activeName = "", Bool isActiveActorUnique = false) Int mapId = JMap.object() If activeName JMap.setStr(mapId, ACTIVE_NAME_TOKEN, activeName) if isActiveActorUnique JMap.setStr(mapId, THE_ACTIVE_NAME_TOKEN, "the " + activeName) else JMap.setStr(mapId, THE_ACTIVE_NAME_TOKEN, activeName) EndIf EndIf JMap.setStr(mapId, PRIMARY_NAME_TOKEN, primaryName) AddAllSynonymTokensToMap(mapId) Return mapId EndFunction 4. In places where you call GenerateStandardTokenMap and it contains activeName, you'd do this: Bool isActiveActorUnique = false If activeActor.GetLeveledActorBase().IsUnique() isActiveActorUnique= true Int mapId = GenerateStandardTokenMap(primaryFemaleName, activeName, isActiveActorUnique) EndIf In some animations like in those where the player is a male and he is having sex with a female, he is the activeActor. I'm not sure if playable races (vanilla or custom races) are flagged as unique. You could solve this by changing the above example a bit: Bool isActiveActorUnique = false If activeActor.GetLeveledActorBase().IsUnique() && activeActor != PlayerRef isActiveActorUnique= true With small changes to the above solution we can apply this fix also for those cases where {PRIMARY} is the generic NPC. Unfortunately, we cannot quickly fix the existing descriptions as "the" should not appear every time a generic {PRIMARY} is mentioned. But this would at least provide a way for any new (or edited) descriptions to be correct. The old entries can always fixed bit by bit.I'm not 100% sure if IsUnique() works in every case, but I think that is only good way to make a distinction between named and generic NPCs. Maybe checking if they are in the leveled actor list in which case they are not unique.Another option to all this would be to prune the article at later stage, but you might need to change the code a lot more to have access to the actorRef. Well, maybe you could make a global variable that contains the actorRef, but I'm not sure how that would work with threading (multiple) scenes with Apropos would work, maybe make an array and couple it with an ID? Doing it this way might make sense if you have any ideas how this could be useful in other ways....Another thing that would add to the immersion is to make masturbation and W&T descriptions more dynamic.In some cases the actor has fantasies, but that might not reflect their sexuality: "I'm so hot, so overcome by lust... Alduin himself could present his {COCK} right now and I'd gladly take it."An example for female actors: in DisplayFemaleActorMasturbationMessage we would check their sexual preference and pass to db.RetrieveFemaleMasturbationDescription -> db.RetrieveMasturbationDescription, in which we would add extra suffix to the full path. "male" and "female", maybe even "creature". The description files and their content for masturbation scenes would be split into 2-3 files, depending their context. Or rather, the entries would be copied and synonyms would be changed (with some minor changes to the wording) and if one doesn't feel like rewriting then you would delete the unfitting descriptions.Sexlab already keeps track of number of sex partners (men, women, creatures) and also sexual orientation that is calculated from that (but that doesn't take creatures into consideration). These could be used to figure out what they prefer the most, but it would be cool if masturbation fantasies would revolve around the last partner (who could even be referenced by real name if unique) instead of being based on general preferences. This would also be needed for W&T improvements that I'll explain soon. Even better idea would be to do a scan which (if any) actors nearby are naked/having sex and as masturbation is triggered by high arousal, making references to those other actors would make most sense. Then new words like {PASSIVE_RACE, PASSIVE_RACES} (which could either be man/men or woman/women or {PASSIVE_NAME} for direct reference.I noticed that Sexlab also used to keep track of sex partners: FormListAdd(PlayerRef, "SexPartners", ActorRef, false). It's still present for the 1.59c but it's been commented out in 1.60. Also, that only applied for player characters.As we already have OrgasmStart we cound add to there a call to new function (or just put the code in DisplayOrgasmStartMessage) and keep track who the actors has had sex with, we don't need to keep a whole history, so just saving the lastPartner would be enough. It could be ActorRef (which has more uses) or partner type (men, women, creature). For masturbation we would have one entry that would only update when the actor has consensual sex. For W&T another record would be kept which would update on both consensual and victim/rape scenes.Now, the problem with W&T is this: you'll sometimes get things of this sort: "That {COCK}... That {HUGE} {COCK} was just inside my {WTANAL} {ASS}...". If the woman just had sex with a creature or another with a strap-on, the above description is not very relevant.This could be used in W&T descriptions to provide contextual descriptions who actually was responsible for the increased W&T. As with the proposed improvements to masturbation messages, the descriptions could be split into 2-3 alternatives, the actual lines would be copied/moved around and synonyms changed with minor edits if needed.I've made a post to the Sexlab development thread, asking if support to these could be added to the Framework....+ I also now mention how the article problem also applies for {PRIMARY} in some cases.+ Comment how Arousal & Masturbation is linked. In short:1. Fix suggestion to the incorrect use of "the" article ("the Guard" vs "the Ulfric").2. Contextual masturbation descriptions3. Contextual W&T descriptions Ashal added the required functionality to Sexlab Framework 1.60 for the ideas two and three.
karlpaws Posted September 17, 2015 Posted September 17, 2015 I'd love a way to turn off the cheesy extra stuff and be left with the bare bones of what's actually happening. Raping an npc's and having the game say they got off on it has completely ruined many encounters. It seems like so much of the writing has been done with the porno idea that it's better for everyone to be whores, and banging=pleasure etc, that it would be better to just have basic stuff. At the moment a lot of the rape dialog just seems like domination, not to mention the immersion breaking way it tends to bring up boyfriends, fathers and other odd social conventions, which almost never fit into the situation, whether it's rape or consent. I just want to be able to enjoy the solidification of having words, without the cheesy and often delusional sounding parts. If it's possible to do this already, i apologize and would love to know how. My dragonborn is not crazy in the way that would let them believe all the nonsense his mod spouts off. I mean sometimes it's fine, but having every rape victim get off on it or characters whose families are long dead bring up their fathers..it's just weird. If there is a less fantasy, porno or more realistic/dark version, i would be alot happier. The words just improve the conveyance of what's happening so much in a lacking animation system which cannot handle the complexities of emotion and more subtle physical behaviours that i won't stop using it even with the cheesy stuff. I just prefer to play a more immersive and realistic skyrim, which the current text fails to truly convey. Like i said, its porno dialogue which is by nature less realistic than dragons and guards attacking you mid dragon fight. I'd love a way to turn off the cheesy extra stuff ( ... ) Like i said, its porno dialogue which is by nature less realistic than dragons and guards attacking you mid dragon fight. I tottaly support this. I was thinking about removing appropos coz messages are to often just inapropriate to the scene and turns out every woman is a whore who is doing it 50 times per day with whatever can be sticked inside her. I'm going to quote both of these, hoping you get a notification about this. Do you have a sample or suggestion of what you want to see? I am guessing you want more than the result of : {Active} penetrates {primary}'s {pussy} roughly.
Kinky Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 I'm going to quote both of these, hoping you get a notification about this. Do you have a sample or suggestion of what you want to see? I am guessing you want more than the result of : {Active} penetrates {primary}'s {pussy} roughly. Apropos is meant to describe what is going on during sex and what characters involved are feeling or thinking about it. So by saying that i am only interested about those 2 ppl in action. I dont care about her dog her dad her boyfriend her list of ppl she was with earlier this day or what she thinks about them. Only descriptions that involve current actors. I would rather see only "{Active} penetrates {primary}'s {pussy} roughly." then all that every girl is a nymphomanic slut nonsense.
AuronXCZE Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Heya, everything works fine for me, but i would like to ask if its possible to dissable the messeges on the screen, i enjoy immersion and somehow (personal taste) it just does not fit when character say's Im a slutty whore etc, i really like the idea of this mod, and notifictations like <charname> Stop it ! or Please dont, dont. (i hope you know what i mean) but the other part really turns me away from this mod
LewdBug Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Thanks for the response, Gooser! I admit, I had forgotten about the messages that FHU already had. Though, what I had meant earlier was Apropos messages for the sensation of being inflated, rather than the feeling of being full after the fact.
Crooltool Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Heya, everything works fine for me, but i would like to ask if its possible to dissable the messeges on the screen, i enjoy immersion and somehow (personal taste) it just does not fit when character say's Im a slutty whore etc, i really like the idea of this mod, and notifictations like <charname> Stop it ! or Please dont, dont. (i hope you know what i mean) but the other part really turns me away from this mod Yes, as has been said many times in this thread, if you do not like the messages in the various DBs posted here, you can always go in and delete the messages you don't like. and as an added bonus, you can ever replace them with ones you write yourself to make them absolutely PERFECT for your tastes. This is the most customizable mod EVER, it just takes a little effort on your part. otherwise, you are just going to have to live with messages that OTHER people think are perfect for their tastes. If the DB authors took out EVERY message some one didn't like, we would have a 3 line DB and very boring and useless mod. DO like the other DB authors have done, open up the files and let your imagination run wild. I have Fully customized my DB to my exact tastes, you can too!
karlpaws Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 I'm going to quote both of these, hoping you get a notification about this. Do you have a sample or suggestion of what you want to see? I am guessing you want more than the result of : {Active} penetrates {primary}'s {pussy} roughly. Apropos is meant to describe what is going on during sex and what characters involved are feeling or thinking about it. So by saying that i am only interested about those 2 ppl in action. I dont care about her dog her dad her boyfriend her list of ppl she was with earlier this day or what she thinks about them. Only descriptions that involve current actors. I would rather see only "{Active} penetrates {primary}'s {pussy} roughly." then all that every girl is a nymphomanic slut nonsense. Heya, everything works fine for me, but i would like to ask if its possible to dissable the messeges on the screen, i enjoy immersion and somehow (personal taste) it just does not fit when character say's Im a slutty whore etc, i really like the idea of this mod, and notifictations like <charname> Stop it ! or Please dont, dont. (i hope you know what i mean) but the other part really turns me away from this mod I am not sure why either of you have this mod then, if all you want is a description of what you can see. If you want basic dialog, I have to ask which other databases you have downloaded. Here is majority of the content from the Male actor, female victim, vaginal, rape first stage file (there was a lot more of the 3rd person category). You can open any of these with Notepad and delete out any of the lines you do not want. If you do not know how to find the files, or how to name them, or how find the ones you do not like by name... ask that. { "1st Person" : [ "{PRIMARY} cries out as I stick my {HUGE} {COCK} into her {PUSSY}.", "It slipped right in! This {BITCH} is no virgin!", "{PRIMARY} struggles at first, but goes limp as soon as I get my {COCK} inside her.", "The instant I penetrate {PRIMARY}, she bursts into sobs and wails in distress." ], "2nd Person" : [ "{PRIMARY} cries out as you stick your {HUGE} {COCK} into her {PUSSY}.", "It slipped right in! This {BITCH} is no virgin!", "{PRIMARY} struggles at first, but goes limp as soon as you get your {COCK} inside her.", "The instant you penetrate {PRIMARY}, she bursts into sobs and wails in distress." ], "3rd Person" : [ "{PRIMARY} cries out in pain as {ACTIVE} jams his {COCK} inside her {WTVAGINAL} {PUSSY}.", "{PRIMARY} makes precious little sound as {ACTIVE} forces her body to accept his.", "{ACTIVE} lines his {COCK} up with {PRIMARY}'s {WTVAGINAL} {PUSSY}. She stifles a sob.", "{PRIMARY} wearily raises her eyes. In front of her is {ACTIVE}, his {COCK} red and angry, about to fuck her.",
gooser Posted September 18, 2015 Author Posted September 18, 2015 Crooltool and Karlpaws, thanks . you guys are awesome.
NaviNav Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 I'd love one (OK TWO) more Option(‘s) for the Text output since there are only 2 as far as i know: 1) Show full Message 2) Cut message in a lot of pieces my Wish option('s) would be : 3) Cut Message ONE time (in the middle) 4) Show beginning of the sentence first (reverse order of appearance) So i dont have to choose between "holy cow i barely can read that" and "dammit i wanna know how this sentence started" Because atm option 2 enabled looks kinda like this (order of appearance) : "before dropping back down. his {PENIS}, steeling yourself You drag yourself tortuously up " Also I’d like to apologize for the butchering of the English language.
gooser Posted September 18, 2015 Author Posted September 18, 2015 I'd love one (OK TWO) more Option(‘s) for the Text output since there are only 2 as far as i know: 1) Show full Message 2) Cut message in a lot of pieces my Wish option('s) would be : 3) Cut Message ONE time (in the middle) 4) Show beginning of the sentence first (reverse order of appearance) So i dont have to choose between "holy cow i barely can read that" and "dammit i wanna know how this sentence started" Because atm option 2 enabled looks kinda like this (order of appearance) : "before dropping back down. his {PENIS}, steeling yourself You drag yourself tortuously up " Also I’d like to apologize for the butchering of the English language. Those options are obsolete in the latest version of Apropos. What version are you using?
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