Apropos

June 19, 2014

Decauk,

That is a debug-only message. It is just there to let me know that the algorithm for decreasing the W&T is running. Not always will a decrease in the W&T "raw value" equate to a decrease in the state/index. So an actor might at any time have, for instance:

vaginal W&T

value: 1500

state: 9

The state values are what is used to look up the display text (0-9)

The computation is run, by default, every 12 in-game hours. When it runs, it keeps track of how long the actor has gone without that body part being bothered. If they continue to have sex in that body part, it resets the algorithm.

Anything over 799 in the raw value equates to a state of 9 (battered). So if an actor has a value of 2000, it will take some time before it even decreases to a point where it will reach only 8 (under 800).

Basically with each run, I keep track of the number of undisturbed "passes", so as time passes each 12 hour time period can degrade the W&T faster based upon the degrade factor. A degrade factor of 1.0 would yield a linear degrade over time, higher than 1.0 (i.e. 1.2) would yield a non-linear, but exponential degrade. So the longer you wait without molesting your "parts", the faster they recover.

Hope that helps. I think I will move that message you screenshotted to the Skyrim console (~).

Good to know. Does this mean a character can only degrade once every 12 hours at most? And how much do they degrade?

This may keep more 'active' characters from decreasing W&T rank at all. Any chance of a slider?

*gooser* · June 19, 2014

http://www.loverslab.com/index.php?app=downloads&module=display&section=screenshot&record=119709&id=818&full=1

June 19, 2014

http://www.loverslab.com/index.php?app=downloads&module=display&section=screenshot&record=119709&id=818&full=1

I was actually thinking, 'I bet there already is a slider', and was just about to boot up to have a look. I'm also pretty sure I already changed it to 1 or something to test.

How much does the score degrade by each time?

chajapa · June 19, 2014

http://www.loverslab.com/index.php?app=downloads&module=display&section=screenshot&record=119709&id=818&full=1

I was actually thinking, 'I bet there already is a slider', and was just about to boot up to have a look. I'm also pretty sure I already changed it to 1 or something to test.

How much does the score degrade by each time?

That will depend on how you have it set up. If you leave it at 1 it will degrade linearly (is that a word?) and if you raise that value to like.... 2.... it becomes exponential. the longer you rest a body part, the FASTER it will come back to normal.

*gooser* · June 20, 2014

http://www.loverslab.com/index.php?app=downloads&module=display&section=screenshot&record=119709&id=818&full=1

I was actually thinking, 'I bet there already is a slider', and was just about to boot up to have a look. I'm also pretty sure I already changed it to 1 or something to test.

How much does the score degrade by each time?

That will depend on how you have it set up. If you leave it at 1 it will degrade linearly (is that a word?) and if you raise that value to like.... 2.... it becomes exponential. the longer you rest a body part, the FASTER it will come back to normal.

Correct. Basically every 12 hours (by default) it degrades each body part accounting for how many "passes" its gone without molestation, using the degrade factor.

Given a degrade factor of 1.0 (completely linear), and you started with a wear tear value of 1000, this is how it would reduce:

1000

985

955

910

850

775

685

580

460

325

After ~5 days (120 hours), you would be at 325 in raw value terms (a state/index of 7, 'loose')

With a degrade factor of 1.2 the same scenario would reduce over the same time like this:

1000

985

950

894

815

711

583

428

246

36

Basically, back to a state of 1 ('tight')

I played around in a spreadsheet with the math to come up with the exponential model.

5 days seemed like a reasonable recovery time to come back from such a high value, considering ~800 is the pivot for "battered".

chajapa · June 20, 2014

yeah but you can get battered with just one pass through a giant camp.... or one really fun night with your favorite horse (and lots of ale) .... and...

wait.... did I say that out loud?

woody1213 · June 20, 2014

If I wanted to change an animations tag from vaginal to anal or vice versa, which file would I need to change besides sslCreatureAnimationDefaults would I need to change for it to reference the correct txt file in the db folder?

I've already changed the tags in sslCreatureAnimationDefaults, rebuilt the animation registry, and refreshed Apropos, but it is still showing Vaginal versus Anal. Obviously, I'm missing something

Look at AproposAnimationPatchups.psc

It's there specifically so you don't have to touch the SexLab scripts.

Made the changes under the falmer using the add and remove tags as follows:

Function ApplyPatchups()

LogToAll("AproposAnimationPatchups.ApplyPatchups")

RemoveTags("FalmerHolding", Strings("Gangbang"))

AddTags("FalmerHolding", Strings("Falmer"))

RemoveTags("FalmerMissionary", Strings("Gangbang"))

AddTags("FalmerMissionary", Strings("Falmer"))

RemoveTags("DraugrDoggystyle", Strings("Vaginal"))

AddTags("DraugrDoggystyle", Strings("Anal"))

RemoveTags("ChaurusForward", Strings("Vaginal"))

AddTags("ChaurusForward", Strings("Anal"))

RemoveTags("DraugrGangbang3P", Strings("Vaginal"))

AddTags("DraugrGangbang3P", Strings("Anal"))

RemoveTags("SpiderPenetration", Strings("Vaginal"))

AddTags("SpiderPenetration", Strings("Anal"))

RemoveTags("TrollGrabbing", Strings("Vaginal"))

AddTags("TrollGrabbing", Strings("Anal"))

RemoveTags("WolfDoggystyle2", Strings("Vaginal"))

AddTags("WolfDoggystyle2", Strings("Anal"))

EndFunction

Problem is it won't recompile due to SLAroused. I unpacked the BSA and tried recompiling but that even created more errors. Any suggestions?

Great mod and great idea for being able to change tags...just hope i can get it to work

*gooser* · June 20, 2014

If I wanted to change an animations tag from vaginal to anal or vice versa, which file would I need to change besides sslCreatureAnimationDefaults would I need to change for it to reference the correct txt file in the db folder?

I've already changed the tags in sslCreatureAnimationDefaults, rebuilt the animation registry, and refreshed Apropos, but it is still showing Vaginal versus Anal. Obviously, I'm missing something

Look at AproposAnimationPatchups.psc

It's there specifically so you don't have to touch the SexLab scripts.

Made the changes under the falmer using the add and remove tags as follows:

Function ApplyPatchups()

LogToAll("AproposAnimationPatchups.ApplyPatchups")



RemoveTags("FalmerHolding", Strings("Gangbang"))

AddTags("FalmerHolding", Strings("Falmer"))

RemoveTags("FalmerMissionary", Strings("Gangbang"))

AddTags("FalmerMissionary", Strings("Falmer"))

RemoveTags("DraugrDoggystyle", Strings("Vaginal"))

AddTags("DraugrDoggystyle",   Strings("Anal"))

RemoveTags("ChaurusForward", Strings("Vaginal"))

AddTags("ChaurusForward",   Strings("Anal"))

RemoveTags("DraugrGangbang3P", Strings("Vaginal"))

AddTags("DraugrGangbang3P",   Strings("Anal"))

RemoveTags("SpiderPenetration", Strings("Vaginal"))

AddTags("SpiderPenetration", Strings("Anal"))

RemoveTags("TrollGrabbing", Strings("Vaginal"))

AddTags("TrollGrabbing",   Strings("Anal"))

RemoveTags("WolfDoggystyle2", Strings("Vaginal"))

AddTags("WolfDoggystyle2", Strings("Anal"))

EndFunction

Problem is it won't recompile due to SLAroused. I unpacked the BSA and tried recompiling but that even created more errors. Any suggestions?

Great mod and great idea for being able to change tags...just hope i can get it to work

what kind of errors?

woody1213 · June 20, 2014

If I wanted to change an animations tag from vaginal to anal or vice versa, which file would I need to change besides sslCreatureAnimationDefaults would I need to change for it to reference the correct txt file in the db folder?

I've already changed the tags in sslCreatureAnimationDefaults, rebuilt the animation registry, and refreshed Apropos, but it is still showing Vaginal versus Anal. Obviously, I'm missing something

Look at AproposAnimationPatchups.psc

It's there specifically so you don't have to touch the SexLab scripts.

Made the changes under the falmer using the add and remove tags as follows:

Function ApplyPatchups()

LogToAll("AproposAnimationPatchups.ApplyPatchups")



RemoveTags("FalmerHolding", Strings("Gangbang"))

AddTags("FalmerHolding", Strings("Falmer"))

RemoveTags("FalmerMissionary", Strings("Gangbang"))

AddTags("FalmerMissionary", Strings("Falmer"))

RemoveTags("DraugrDoggystyle", Strings("Vaginal"))

AddTags("DraugrDoggystyle",   Strings("Anal"))

RemoveTags("ChaurusForward", Strings("Vaginal"))

AddTags("ChaurusForward",   Strings("Anal"))

RemoveTags("DraugrGangbang3P", Strings("Vaginal"))

AddTags("DraugrGangbang3P",   Strings("Anal"))

RemoveTags("SpiderPenetration", Strings("Vaginal"))

AddTags("SpiderPenetration", Strings("Anal"))

RemoveTags("TrollGrabbing", Strings("Vaginal"))

AddTags("TrollGrabbing",   Strings("Anal"))

RemoveTags("WolfDoggystyle2", Strings("Vaginal"))

AddTags("WolfDoggystyle2", Strings("Anal"))

EndFunction

Problem is it won't recompile due to SLAroused. I unpacked the BSA and tried recompiling but that even created more errors. Any suggestions?

Great mod and great idea for being able to change tags...just hope i can get it to work

what kind of errors?

before unpacking SL Aroused BSA, I would get errors with slautilscr not being a valid reference. After unpacking the BSA and putting all of the SL Aroused script files into the script folder, it would then give a ton of errors about slaconfigscr.psc SetInfoText and SetSliderDialogRange, SetSliderDialogDefaultValue, SetSliderDialogInterval etc. Says they are not a function or does not exist.

I guess the good thing was the slautilscr error went away lol.

*gooser* · June 20, 2014

Have you compiled SL-based mod scripts before? It sounds like you don't have the requisite SkyUi scripts in place.

*gooser* · June 20, 2014

SkyUi comes in two flavors - one Zip just to run; another to compile

*gooser* · June 20, 2014

Read the bottom of this: http://git.loverslab.com/sexlab/framework/wikis/home

woody1213 · June 20, 2014

Have you compiled SL-based mod scripts before? It sounds like you don't have the requisite SkyUi scripts in place.

Thanks Gooser, knew I was forgetting something. Hadn't done a recompile with Sexlab since fresh install months ago. That did the trick.

egon123 · June 21, 2014

Looks like I have some problems with the newest version.

I updated from an older version (using the instructions) but the same problem appears also on a new game.

In the first Animation, first stage (lets say, the first time you can get an massage) the massage appears.

But thats it.

If I switch Animation -> No massage.

If I let the animation run so the next stage playes -> No massage. :/

In the orgasm stage, I will get finaly a massage (you shot...) + the w+t massage (Cum fills the first time...).

*gooser* · June 21, 2014

No errors or bugs. The current version of Apropos is for content creators who are currently authoring stage messages. It is still a beta in the sense that there is still active development being made on the mod. But as you know there is a separate database being worked on by a few individuals.

Currently there are no active stage progression messages. Also animation change messages are disabled in code for the time being.

You will only see with the stock db animation start messages and orgasm messages.

germanicus · June 21, 2014

I had describe mod for a long time, and just recently installed this one. Three things I don't understand:

1. The wear and tear system. I red description several times and still don't understand what it actually does. (Is someone is willing to simplify for me in short?)

Under that topic I'm very confused about the meaning of "sore" term. My PC and NPC fuck as crazy with each other, with other NPCs and animals and still got sore pussy. What is sore pussy in this mod? According to the dictionary English/my language, "sore" is:

"painful, aching, excruciating, sore, ailing, pained, gentle, delicate, tender, affectionate, soft, sensitive, susceptible, vulnerable, sensible, responsive, injured, hurt, raw, gall,..."

------- So is "sore" bad thing or a good thing?

2. The mod understands consensual sex with animals as raping. (I'm using Sex animals mod and Puppet Master mod's spell). Is this meant to be like that or this area is not covered by this mod yet?

3. What is the meaning of reducing/degradation of Wear and tear system. Is this good or bad?

I would be very grateful if someone will explain this to me.

Quisling · June 21, 2014

I had describe mod for a long time, and just recently installed this one. Three things I don't understand:

1. The wear and tear system. I red description several times and still don't understand what it actually does. (Is someone is willing to simplify for me in short?)

Under that topic I'm very confused about the meaning of "sore" term. My PC and NPC fuck as crazy with each other, with other NPCs and animals and still got sore pussy. What is sore pussy in this mod? According to the dictionary English/my language, "sore" is:

"painful, aching, excruciating, sore, ailing, pained, gentle, delicate, tender, affectionate, soft, sensitive, susceptible, vulnerable, sensible, responsive, injured, hurt, raw, gall,..."

------- So is "sore" bad thing or a good thing?

2. The mod understands consensual sex with animals as raping. (I'm using Sex animals mod and Puppet Master mod's spell). Is this meant to be like that or this area is not covered by this mod yet?

3. What is the meaning of reducing/degradation of Wear and tear system. Is this good or bad?

I would be very grateful if someone will explain this to me.

1. The more often you have sex, the more "worn and torn" your pussy etc will become, and Apropos will change the descriptive terms from eg "virgin" or "tight" to "sore", "loose", "gaping" or "battered" depending on use. However...

3. ...given how much activity goes in with SexLab, you'd end up at "battered" anyway, so if you don't have sex for a bit the values degrade so that you can return to being described as "snug" or "tight" (but probably not "virgin").

germanicus · June 21, 2014

Thank you quisling. So, according to your description, I think I don't like "Wear and tear". Is there any other consequence if I turned it off? Will it negatively impact on my PC's sexual life if I do that?

Quisling · June 21, 2014

Given Apropos is pretty much just descriptions of what's happening, I can't see how it would affect anything.

So, go ahead and fool yourself into thinking you're remaining pure and virginal as you rut your way across Skyrim

germanicus · June 21, 2014

LOL Quisling. As a matter of fact, there is no way that I want my PC and my followers abstinent from sex. They are sex lunatics.

interesting thing is happening. I turned off Wear and tear system. But it is still reporting of downgrading sore for me, my present follower and dismissed follower. Is this bug? Is there a way to reset/clean present script running?

*gooser* · June 21, 2014

Yeah, "sore" could be a good or bad thing depending upon whether or not you are masochist.

Simply, the W&T (Wear and Tear) system is just a way for adding "consequences" into the world of sex in Skyrim. The next release of Apropos will actually have 'effects' or 'penalties' added to the description adjectives. It's something that I am currently working on. I guess W&T really makes sense if you are playing for pseudo-realism, and are actually playing a "Dragonborn", that is, you are actually "playing" the game, rather than just using Skyrim and SexLab as a platform for creating sex animations.

There is a button to clear W&T for both the Player and any NPC's. I'll add some code to stop tracking W&T when someone turns off the feature completely also.

nutluck · June 21, 2014

Yeah, "sore" could be a good or bad thing depending upon whether or not you are masochist.

Simply, the W&T (Wear and Tear) system is just a way for adding "consequences" into the world of sex in Skyrim. The next release of Apropos will actually have 'effects' or 'penalties' added to the description adjectives. It's something that I am currently working on. I guess W&T really makes sense if you are playing for pseudo-realism, and are actually playing a "Dragonborn", that is, you are actually "playing" the game, rather than just using Skyrim and SexLab as a platform for creating sex animations.

There is a button to clear W&T for both the Player and any NPC's. I'll add some code to stop tracking W&T when someone turns off the feature completely also.

Yeah the full wear and tear system that adds debuffs and the like is what I have personally been waiting on since the mod started. I do like the descriptions a lot but the W&T is the big thing I have been waiting on. I am sure I will have a lot of feedback/requests for that when you implement it. I am pretty happy with the current description system and have been for awhile. I know you have been tweaking it and working out some bugs.

*gooser* · June 21, 2014

Yeah, "sore" could be a good or bad thing depending upon whether or not you are masochist.

Simply, the W&T (Wear and Tear) system is just a way for adding "consequences" into the world of sex in Skyrim. The next release of Apropos will actually have 'effects' or 'penalties' added to the description adjectives. It's something that I am currently working on. I guess W&T really makes sense if you are playing for pseudo-realism, and are actually playing a "Dragonborn", that is, you are actually "playing" the game, rather than just using Skyrim and SexLab as a platform for creating sex animations.

There is a button to clear W&T for both the Player and any NPC's. I'll add some code to stop tracking W&T when someone turns off the feature completely also.

Yeah the full wear and tear system that adds debuffs and the like is what I have personally been waiting on since the mod started. I do like the descriptions a lot but the W&T is the big thing I have been waiting on. I am sure I will have a lot of feedback/requests for that when you implement it. I am pretty happy with the current description system and have been for awhile. I know you have been tweaking it and working out some bugs.

Yep, and I'm using this:

http://www.loverslab.com/topic/28360-apropos-feature-request-and-descriptions-submission/?p=710380

as the base of the changes, with some additions.

germanicus · June 21, 2014

Yeah, "sore" could be a good or bad thing depending upon whether or not you are masochist.

Simply, the W&T (Wear and Tear) system is just a way for adding "consequences" into the world of sex in Skyrim. The next release of Apropos will actually have 'effects' or 'penalties' added to the description adjectives. It's something that I am currently working on. I guess W&T really makes sense if you are playing for pseudo-realism, and are actually playing a "Dragonborn", that is, you are actually "playing" the game, rather than just using Skyrim and SexLab as a platform for creating sex animations.

There is a button to clear W&T for both the Player and any NPC's. I'll add some code to stop tracking W&T when someone turns off the feature completely also.

Yeah the full wear and tear system that adds debuffs and the like is what I have personally been waiting on since the mod started. I do like the descriptions a lot but the W&T is the big thing I have been waiting on. I am sure I will have a lot of feedback/requests for that when you implement it. I am pretty happy with the current description system and have been for awhile. I know you have been tweaking it and working out some bugs.

Thank you gooser and nutluck. I appreciate your help. So far, W&T is not something I want. I'm not saying that it is a bad thing or similar, rather, it's not something I like. I still didn't got the answer for my second question:

2. The mod understands consensual sex with animals as raping. (I'm using Sex animals mod and Puppet Master mod's spell). Is this meant to be like that or this area is not covered by this mod yet?

*gooser* · June 21, 2014

Well, I personally have never used the Puppet Master mod, so I don't know how it sets up the animations. I do use Hentai Creatures and the animations it sets up do use the victim flag, so rape descriptions are generated in Apropos. It all depends upon what the animation is set up to use. There should be both consensual and rape versions of most creature description files now...

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