Mod X is private but why the anger/crying?

gvman3670 · February 10, 2014

I agree with AdBot.

Why? What did AdBot say? I don't usually agree with AdBot. He and I fight sometimes. :angry:

Taskmaster · February 10, 2014

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I've been private messaged to share some of my own creations. A normal map I've made for my characters, I had to turn them down because it's a combination of assets I don't have permission from mod authors to distribute. I just hope that when I posted pictures those that saw it didn't consider what I did teasing or flaunting, though. It really is just perception.

That one odd dude PM's you and asks nicely about a normalmap, and you dont share it cause you dont have permissions?

Seriously?!?

I mean not putting stuff up on the nexus because "no permissions" is all fine and dandy, but this?

I've ran into this a few times myself, and it always just comes off as a lame ass excuse of people who actually have no intent of sharing but are too narcissistic to admit that to themselves. And in my humble opinion, if you're not even willing to share stuff "as is / without support" via PM, then the skyrim modding community is not the place for you.

Not sharing stuff publicly because one does not want to put up with all the shit the community tends to throw at a mod, i can relate with that.

But if someone asks you nicely for it via PM, hes most likely not gonna bug you any further.

And even if the subject in question is not your own, you can at least point them to the person who made it.

I've did that myself with the Tigersan's CBBE Muscle Map that some dude adapted to UNP in the early days of Skyrim. I asked him nicely, he gave it to me. I've pointed several people his way who saw it on screenshots, and eventually he just messaged me and said i could share it at will.

'lo and behold, the world didnt end and i never got angry PM's from Tigersan.

So yes, the stuff that people like Aegis / Elenwen are / were doing comes off as somewhat narcissistic. Though i can see the other side of the coin with what happened to the SG Hair Pack.

/edit

@Vol2

this rant is not specifically directed at you, just the general notion of the sentence i quoted

This looks like it was targeted at me doe

JaFinmongrab · February 10, 2014

I agree with AdBot.

Why? What did AdBot say? I don't usually agree with AdBot. He and I fight sometimes.

AdBot was rather stoic. Didn't say anything. Sometimes, things are best left unsaid.

I respect that.

Mebrilia · February 10, 2014

I agree with AdBot.

Why? What did AdBot say? I don't usually agree with AdBot. He and I fight sometimes.

AdBot was rather stoic. Didn't say anything. Sometimes, things are best left unsaid.

I respect that.

Adbot is our forum Maiq

Mallomar42 · February 10, 2014

I'm a bit lost here, I'm sure I've run into the occasional private mod before but I can't say I've ever taken notice that somebody has posted something that I've wanted in game and been unable to get if I try hard enough. Can somebody post an example of this so that I can have the chance to be offended too?

*TDA* · February 10, 2014

hm... i usually have one or two mods i dont upload yet. but this is only the case if i make a special something that i still want to tweak more. there are simply mods where you go like "fuck it, its done ... *uploads*" ... and others, that work in game, but ... you dont get that special feeling yet. for example the devastator. took me months before i had it the way i wanted it. i remade it several times from scratch, and just released it after it gots its final touch (molag bal laughing when you equip it)... this was the time i felt it was ready, nothing to be added, nothing to be changed, brutal-as-fuck-awesome-kickass-gear in orcish perfection.

when im happy with the way stuff works in game, this is the moment i release. and basically i release everything i make sooner or later. though the general decision should be the modders choice. if you see sth that you cant get, you shouldnt be a crybaby about it. after all theres no law that all you ever mod has to be shared online. so instead of becoming a bitch, simply be patient. and even if theres no release, its not like the world is ending.

lastly we also have stuff you simply are not allowed to upload. for example, there is this kickass conan weapon collection. its not my work, still i tweaked its content slightly by making some personal improvements, and thus increased content and fun for me. since the author doesnt like changes or reuploads, i respect his decision, and will never upload those tweaks, its a matter of respect, and no matter if law-proof or not, i respect other modders.

this is one of the foundations of modding i think, you share stuff, and out of respect, at least a couple of polite gestures should be allowed to be asked, call it the "code of modding" if you want. another example are the lotr-weapons. some swords are amazingly designed, but i simply hate toothpick-weapons, so i fleshed out the blades and hilts a little, for personal use only. maybe stuff like that pops up on a screenshot i make sooner or later, and if folks would ask, id explain and say no. if then the hating starts i simply go into "fuck you"-mode and point them towards my respect for modders, and the persons own lazy assness of not learning how to scale a fucking blade in blender and just making it themselves. takes less than 5 minutes once you have the hang of it.

everything that is only my own work is shared sooner or later. i wanted to upload a dozen mods at once this weekend, am clustering, i got 4 done (16 weapons right now), but i spent weeks on designing them, and my fans can surely wait a day or two (its the rest of the gear i let folks vote about, on DC and here on LL. and also some other places).

and once in a while a like on the support topic, or a nice comment, is just a matter of good behaviour from the downloaders. a "thx" never hurt anybody, you know. nowadays its sad you have to remind folks about that, its mostly like "cool, free stuff"-->downloads-->is happy and thinks "fuck you, dumbass"... or posts stupid questions without reading the description about stuff that is actually explained in the description... or goes like "nice mod, but change this, change that" (automatic fuck-you-mode from my side)... you can achieve so much cool stuff with just being nice or grateful once in a while. real modders shouldnt care about sharing. but if they decide to not share, no one should blame them.

my main reason for modding the fuck out of skyrim now is that i wanted to supply a couple of new-land-mods and other projects with more gear to pick from. in exchange, some of them make my orc-char the local blacksmith, so Ragna-Rok will suply gamers with awesome brutal stuff for all eternity .. its no "has to be" when i make deals, but its a nice gesture of respect... most of the times they were happy about the amount of stuff i offer and were so happy that they found it a cool idea

and im done with modding in a couple of weeks anyway, theres no way i can make a single mod in about a month from now on anymore, my days for skyrim are counted. another reason i release tons of stuff, is this community here. its nice, but its by far underrated. sure, maybe the porn and boob stuff scares some folks away, but the general feeling of the community here is awesome. if i blast a shitload of more content on LL, this site gets more attractions, gets more noticed, i get more views and dls (and become famous, my first video features have been done already, and one of my armors is on modtype... yay!), and most important, i piss nexus and motherfucking dork-one off like hell. its a win-win-situation for me

mod on, fellows ... and dont forget to leave nice comments or a "like" on the stuff you downloaded and enjoyed. ppl should be more polite nowadays, even if they will never meet irl.

ps: oh, ive also built a custom-e-guitar. but this thingy can break, and isnt replacable, priceless for me, not like virtual mods. if you touch my custom e-guitar, i kick you in the nutz

ragna before you go, plz finish my Diablo 2 amazon armor torso its just 2 things, its even uploaded here on LL, idk how make the rest, its 90% and ready to bodylide

ONTOPIC:

anyway i faced this bullshit about private mods and etc. even on MUGEN some creators there suffers from forum drama about their creations, one for a example started to make some conversions and even custom stages for Private people, but then only because a guy sayed that "hey look your stage for some reason has 1 or 2 scrapped codes that crashes with certain characters", he went apeshit saying that he's wrong everybody is wrong and then he decided to remove his mods from the website and asked to all modders who used his assets to take it down too, the result, everybody who had his stages and creations decided to Re-upload again and tell him to fuck off with his baby attitude, and 2 years ago i saw the same attitude with a certain Zero-Satyrfrost who went bollocks and decided to remove his creations because someone used his assets and then he told to everyone to fuck off because he's the da-vinci of modding, now he's back but this time he decided to keep his creations online and non private

i remember that some one on doom forums went batshit because someone used his private DM stage in a open DM server(i think it was on Zdaemon or Skulltag), then he was banned later and his stage was even uploaded by the guy only to piss him off.

Therefore mods should be licensed, and exclusively paid as does Windows 100 % with their models for MMD

You want mods - pay.(Every month) ))))))))) or better week.

It certainly sarcasm. But only the author decides to give his work or to send all in the ass.

Risray · February 10, 2014

This is one those discussion threads that could go on and on for a gazillion pages without any real conclusion.

> See mod.
> Ask if it's private/what is it.
> If it's private for the love of god move on.
> If not? Congrats, you have something else to clog up your load order with.

That's all there is to it, in fact I will make a few small adjustments...

> See mod.

> Kindly ask if it's private/what is it.

> If it's private for the love of kittens MOVE ON and/or do it or learn how to do it yourself.

> If not? Congrats, you have something else to clog up your load order with.

(credits: Maviaux)

You say those who post pics with private stuff do so to inflate their own ego, might be true, not for all but for a handful of cases, your raging/crying is only as good as fuel for these "trolls/attention whores", ignore and move on, if you want to get back at them that's how you do it, nothing hurts more people of this kind than being ignored.

Redflyingmonkey · February 10, 2014

I'm a bit lost here, I'm sure I've run into the occasional private mod before but I can't say I've ever taken notice that somebody has posted something that I've wanted in game and been unable to get if I try hard enough. Can somebody post an example of this so that I can have the chance to be offended too?

I think the OP was related to the pestering going on in some threads about textures and mods talented users like Shocky or Aegis have made for themselves, without the intent of sharing them. I've seen some angry comments, saying they only posted pictures to "show off" or something, which is pretty retarded considering the name of the thread in question was "Show your character".

One of them was smarter than the others and apologized after realizing how dumb that was, I hope the others will understand how silly they look and do the same thing too.

Getting angry and rude about something so cosmically insignificant as some .dds or .nif files on a 3 year old game... Oh the humanity.

Mebrilia · February 10, 2014

I'm a bit lost here, I'm sure I've run into the occasional private mod before but I can't say I've ever taken notice that somebody has posted something that I've wanted in game and been unable to get if I try hard enough. Can somebody post an example of this so that I can have the chance to be offended too?

I think the OP was related to the pestering going on in some threads about textures and mods talented users like Shocky or Aegis have made for themselves, without the intent of sharing them. I've seen some angry comments, saying they only posted pictures to "show off" or something, which is pretty retarded considering the name of the thread in question was "Show your character".

One of them was smarter than the others and apologized after realizing how dumb that was, I hope the others will understand how silly they look and do the same thing too.

Getting angry and rude about something so cosmically insignificant as some .dds or .nif files on a 3 year old game... Oh the humanity.

Now that's an example of a picture posted in the right context... Shocky and Aegis did well to post the image of the right character...

But still... There are entitled assholes around that love to post unique stuff just to troll people...And this is wrong an pathetic...

Kamen Rider Kuuga · February 10, 2014

Granted I'm not a modder, but I am a writer, and I like to live in a delusional world where people think that the time and effort I put into my work is equal to that of a modder. That said, I have never once talked about or posted small samples of a work that I later said, upon being asked about it, it was private and I will not release it.

Do I have private works? Well yes, a few of them, and this is the first time I have admitted to it, because this is the first time I have ever had to. Because I DON'T post little tidbits of these works only to later deny somebody with the private line. To do so is against what I feel is right; if it's private it should REMAIN private. It should never see the light of day outside of your own computer. To post a sample of something somewhere without the intention to ever release it to the general public is OFFENSIVE to me, and I will NEVER RESPECT a person who does it.

I don't give a flying fuck about the context; if somebody had a thread somewhere that asked writers to post a little but of a work they were the most proud of, I sure as Hell wouldn't post from a private work if that were the case; I would pick from one of my publicly available ones. And I expect the same from others who create content, no matter what the medium is. To do anything less, to me, is a massive case of ego stroking by telling the world "look what I have and you don't".

And if I wrote something JUST for somebody, and they were the ones who posted it as a means of "look what I have", I would bitch them out and then post the complete work out of respect for the community at large. I wouldn't care if they were mad and broken all contact with me; I will NEVER be the type of person whose work is used to bait people for a quick ego stroke.

To me, every time a content creator bitches about people raging over their flaunting, I say they deserve it. I would expect nothing less from the people who I would have pissed off had I been in that persons shoes.

But you know, that's just how things work in my head, which is in a delusion where my writing is of the same worth as a modders work.

And to stem the tide of asking why I have private works to start with, it's because I have nowhere to put it. This is the type of stuff that I'm pretty sure would get me banned from anywhere I put it.

unscwupulous · February 10, 2014

I'm a bit lost here, I'm sure I've run into the occasional private mod before but I can't say I've ever taken notice that somebody has posted something that I've wanted in game and been unable to get if I try hard enough. Can somebody post an example of this so that I can have the chance to be offended too?

I think the OP was related to the pestering going on in some threads about Elewin poser and Daz ports

Fixed^

Again, the butthurt isn't about some mods being private or not (there's nothing wrong with that) it's about one certain individual trolling for the lulz and stroking their laughably over inflated ego at the expense of people who can't see through the smoke and mirrors.

lostdaywalker · February 10, 2014

I don't have to chime in on this but I will anyway.

You can only be trolled if you allow yourself to be. A person posting images of work they have made or converted in an image thread is in no way trolling or rubbing your nose in what you can't have. That's what the threads and sites are for. If you like what someone has posted and its not available, make it or buy it and convert it yourself, or move along. Its that simple.

No one is "entitled" to have "everything" everybody else has. I enjoy the posting of works I have not seen before. It give me ideas on things to make. Mostly everything I make now is directly because of images I have seen. Posting images of your own work or even conversions form another format, is showing off what you have done. Those few, ( who seem to make the most noise) who demand to have copy's of somebody's work, have done nothing. The images are meant for you to enjoy and perhaps inspire. If you get jealous, that's all on you.

Now if you will excuse me, My neighbor has a hot wife, I'm going over there to tell him to let me have a try or demand that he keep her in the house. :lol:

February 10, 2014

My I instead lick your glory, kiss your feet and praise your ass?

permission granted... start the praising

Mebrilia · February 10, 2014

I don't have to chime in on this but I will anyway.

You can only be trolled if you allow yourself to be. A person posting images of work they have made or converted in an image thread is in no way trolling or rubbing your nose in what you can't have. That's what the threads and sites are for. If you like what someone has posted and its not available, make it or buy it and convert it yourself, or move along. Its that simple.

No one is "entitled" to have "everything" everybody else has. I enjoy the posting of works I have not seen before. It give me ideas on things to make. Mostly everything I make now is directly because of images I have seen. Posting images of your own work or even conversions form another format, is showing off what you have done. Those few, ( who seem to make the most noise) who demand to have copy's of somebody's work, have done nothing. The images are meant for you to enjoy and perhaps inspire. If you get jealous, that's all on you.

Now if you will excuse me, My neighbor has a hot wife, I'm going over there to tell him to let me have a try or demand that he keep her in the house.

This whit out offence clearly i am a person that respect other opinions but this one make me think some people don't know what is the respect at all... So for you a modder have the right to post his private work just for trolling people?... I am one of the people that think in a great community the best modders are the ones that make mod for their fun and for the fun of others.... Showing off stuff whit the only intent to troll people and praise his own ego is a childish attitude and i strongly believe that kind of modder don't bring nothing at the community at all...

Imagine if every modder starts to mod the game just for him and don't share it...Say goodbye to awesome mods..Say goodbye at the sense of comunity..Say even goodbye to have a toolset for the next the elder scroll....

The keyword to be a part of a community is share....if you don't share you really believe you are part of the community?....

You will sure never seen me insult a modder if show some private work if he contribute to release also many mod for the community.....

I think... That a modder wanting just to share pics of their private work with the intent to troll people and stroke his ego its just a pointless modder... and a pointless person....

February 10, 2014

now im a "show-off-whatcha-dont-get-modder" .. YAY!

well, actually i still have to finish another couple of things and givem a last test in my most favorite dungeon... 7 mods done, 3 to go, a dozen is too much and i decided to go for 10 mods now... 50 mods released sounds better than 52 ..upload about this week wednesday or thursday...

now could you please tell me how awesome my weapons are, and that you want them at all costs? i would like to feel that egomaniac narcistic spirit once, you know, im so big, youre so small... im the cake, youre the crumbs... so, let the admiring and bitching begin

Redflyingmonkey · February 10, 2014

Again, the butthurt isn't about some mods being private or not (there's nothing wrong with that) it's about one certain individual trolling for the lulz and stroking their laughably over inflated ego at the expense of people who can't see through the smoke and mirrors.

You mean someone got some Daz ports and decided to make pictures with them with the exact mention "These mods are private and I'll not share them ?"

That's retarded. Okay I understand better now.

I mean, it's like making mayonnaise pasta and saying proudly to everyone that it's a private recipe and that they won't share them... Completely retarded. I understand that people who actually make the mods sometime don't want to share them, but those who make ports ... I mean, dude, come on, it's petty ...

LuffMeister · February 10, 2014

Some people seem to think that community = share everything. It is not.

Community:

a social, religious, occupational, or other group sharing common characteristics or interests and perceived or perceiving itself as distinct in some respect from the larger society within which it exists.

Skyrim modding community = group of people interested in modding Skyrim, so all mods, public or private, fall under this subject.

You may not like private mods, but it doesn't mean they have no place to be.

This is a internet forum, no one's tying you to your chair and forcing you to look at the images posted. If you don't like screenshots posted, just ignore them and move on.

Stop complaining about a mod being private after looking at screenshots of private mods. That's like buying oranges and then complaining about how they don't taste like apples.

Duoleb The Chosen · February 10, 2014

now im a "show-off-whatcha-dont-get-modder" .. YAY!

dbgs 3.jpg dps 2.jpg dkgs equip.jpg beo 13.jpg exa2.jpg hc e1.jpg br 5.jpg

well, actually i still have to finish another couple of things and givem a last test in my most favorite dungeon... 7 mods done, 3 to go, a dozen is too much and i decided to go for 10 mods now... 50 mods released sounds better than 52 ..upload about this week wednesday or thursday...

now could you please tell me how awesome my weapons are, and that you want them at all costs? i would like to feel that egomaniac narcistic spirit once, you know, im so big, youre so small... im the cake, youre the crumbs... so, let the admiring and bitching begin

~~_________________________________~~

NEVER!, DOUBLE NEVER, MEGANEVER!

~~if you do my humble request, then i'll lick and admire even your ballsack sewing for the next 5 reincarnations!~~

February 10, 2014

oooooh... that tastes so well... all those caps, i know you want it... getting mad already? eh? ... look at those nice swords and axes... you want them, i know it ...

Mebrilia · February 10, 2014

Some people seem to think that community = share everything. It is not.

Community:

a social, religious, occupational, or other group sharing common characteristics or interests and perceived or perceiving itself as distinct in some respect from the larger society within which it exists.

Skyrim modding community = group of people interested in modding Skyrim, so all mods, public or private, fall under this subject.

You may not like private mods, but it doesn't mean they have no place to be.

This is a internet forum, no one's tying you to your chair and forcing you to look at the images posted. If you don't like screenshots posted, just ignore them and move on.

Stop complaining about a mod being private after looking at screenshots of private mods. That's like buying oranges and then complaining about how they don't taste like apples.

That's not what i meant .... Someone is free to post screenies of his unique character... I am referring to the ones that just post private stuff to troll people and believe me that's happen...

Yes i can see a private modification of the body texture and say: ah looks nice but i move on cuz is private...

There are also who post private mod picture but also contribute to release mods for others: Another thing i respect because since that kind of modder at least make something also for other people...

But the modders that mods the game only for theyrself and post picture only for their ego?: To me those are pathetic and the cancer of a moddy community.... And as already said those are pointless... I don't rage at them i don't insult them i simply don't take them in consideration...

Here in loverslab we have who post private mods picture as well but is not a problem since the same person also contribute to make mods also for the others..

And believe or not.. sharing is the key of a modding community.. Because if all the modder just mod their game for theirself only is pointless have a toolset a modding site... a modders forum... And for sure if all the skyrim,oblivion,morrowind was like that at this point we don't even have a toolset^^

gvman3670 · February 11, 2014

There are entitled assholes around that love to post unique stuff just to troll people...And this is wrong an pathetic...

"Entitled" doesn't fit if they make these things themselves. Someone feeling "entitled" is actually those thinking they should also be allowed to have those things, especially if they have nothing invested in those things.

cornbreadtm · February 11, 2014

now im a "show-off-whatcha-dont-get-modder" .. YAY!

dbgs 3.jpg dps 2.jpg dkgs equip.jpg beo 13.jpg exa2.jpg hc e1.jpg br 5.jpg

well, actually i still have to finish another couple of things and givem a last test in my most favorite dungeon... 7 mods done, 3 to go, a dozen is too much and i decided to go for 10 mods now... 50 mods released sounds better than 52 ..upload about this week wednesday or thursday...

now could you please tell me how awesome my weapons are, and that you want them at all costs? i would like to feel that egomaniac narcistic spirit once, you know, im so big, youre so small... im the cake, youre the crumbs... so, let the admiring and bitching begin

I'm out of likes so....

February 11, 2014

The ancient story of feeding thy ego. it's all well and good you can do something another cannot but when you become a blowhard about it, that's when it becomes wrong. There's a big difference between feeling proud of your accomplishments and unnecessary ego stroking at the expense of others. Which in this day and age happens quite often. It has nothing to do with capitalism, that's an excuse not an answer. It has very much to do with the way people are taught, or the lack thereof. It isn't difficult to give a small explanation as to why this or that cannot be shared, but the standard "It's Private" that's intentional ego stroking and being just plain selfish. I've shown many items I could not share (testing for friends or my own conversions) but when asked about them I've always given an explanation (usually because permissions hadn't been received yet). But I always felt they deserved at least an explanation. But to only say "It's Private" and nothing more is a dick move period.

Maviaux · February 11, 2014

Goodness this thread is still going on?

And after looking at everything after my last post (yay people who think i said something worthwhile) it's quite literally the same tale told in a different book and I personally find it hilarious there are actually some 'it's private' modders here trying to defend themselves. This really is going to be the kind of thread that keeps going, eats it's own tail and continues on until it turns itself inside out and repeats the process.

Then someone is bound to get offended, names are going to get dropped, and then there will be a whole new can of worms to deal with.

...Sadly, I like potential drama and really awkward opinions so carry on ye' brave souls.

February 11, 2014

Goodness this thread is still going on?

And after looking at everything after my last post (yay people who think i said something worthwhile) it's quite literally the same tale told in a different book and I personally find it hilarious there are actually some 'it's private' modders here trying to defend themselves. This really is going to be the kind of thread that keeps going, eats it's own tail and continues on until it turns itself inside out and repeats the process.

Then someone is bound to get offended, names are going to get dropped, and then there will be a whole new can of worms to deal with.

...Sadly, I like potential drama and really awkward opinions so carry on ye' brave souls.

i just hope you dont talk about me... dont forget to open the spoiler

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