Mod X is private but why the anger/crying?

[Gumihoyah]

[Gumihoyah]

Still, even if you do `troll` your mods as people call it doesnt mean they are obliged to share them.

People getting mad about something like that or most likely teenagers or middleaged men in a midlife crisis :/

 

People letting u use their mods is a privelage not a right!

[Mebrilia]

The ancient  story of feeding thy ego. it's all well and good you can do something another cannot but when you become a blowhard about it, that's when it becomes wrong. There's a big difference between feeling proud of your accomplishments and unnecessary ego stroking at the expense of others. Which in this day and age happens quite often. It has nothing to do with capitalism, that's an excuse not an answer. It has very much to do with the way people are taught, or the lack thereof. It isn't difficult to give a small explanation as to why this or that cannot be shared, but the standard "It's Private" that's intentional ego stroking and being just plain selfish. I've shown many items I could not share (testing for friends or my own conversions) but when asked about them I've always given an explanation (usually because permissions hadn't been received yet). But I always felt they deserved at least an explanation. But to only say "It's Private" and nothing more is a dick move period.  

 

Now this is a nice post... and i agree in everything you say...... I also want to add that if a modder can't or don't want share his mod but provide a nice explanation like

 

"sorry i am testing it now!" or "I am sorry but i keep this for personal use only" that's fine.....

 

The problem starts when a modder is entitled to act like a kneejerk spamming image and image and image because he love to troll people that maybe feel a bit offended because he claim "this is private suckers"

 

And there is not EXCUSE for that..... THis is acting childish....

 

I am one of the people that thinks modders are the most big part of the community because they contribute to improve the gaming of everyone fixing bug or add awesome features... But i also think if all the modder were going to keep all the mods private this community don't even exist....

 

So in the end?.. Your mod is private? *shrugs* You are act like a kneejerk because you mod and other not?...i laugh at you.. because for me you don't offer nothing at the community... only a teenage childish attitude

[Guest Mogie56]

Keep the comments ON the topic, not on those who are making comments, that's childish name calling and troll baiting.

[Guest Ragna_Rok]

 

I am one of the people that thinks modders are the most big part of the community because they contribute to improve the gaming of everyone fixing bug or add awesome features.

 

 

i would wish there would come a day when dork-1 figures that out.... *sigh*

 

[dobmc]

This is why I love rant threads. 

[Mebrilia]

It's on topic... i think the matter is: people get upset even whit the ones that post private mods image just for the sake of sharing because there are troll around that act bad in their regard so they think "Oh yes right....another ego praise seeker that post mods with the intent to troll others.."

 

I think is just simple to explain

[xenic]

This is why I love rant threads. 

I've loved watching this thread take off. The opinions expressed here have been great.

[Spyder Arachnid]

It's just the ignorance of some of the people here is all.

 

They automatically assume just cause someone shows a picture of their mod, that they are being egotistical and bragging and rubbing it in their face. They think it is rude and disrespectful for someone to display their work of art, and not give them a copy of it. Entitlement and greed is what is happening here.

 

And seriously? Now we are complaining about how they tell you it is private? So it's perfectly fine to say "This is for personal use" but it's not okay to say "This is private"? It's the same thing. Seriously, now you guys are just reaching for excuses to be upset.

 

Just face it. You don't like the fact that someone has something you want, so you are going to go into some conspiracy about hateful modders who rub stuff in your face. Instead of understanding the reasons behind why some stuff is kept private, and then moving on with your life.

[pinky6225]

if you hate this private/personel thing, start learning modding yourself, only those who are greedy and can't do anything themself want all, and for what ?, to show off with some shitty pics ?, get a life and or move on if you can't have it, but stop crying like some lil kid

 

tbh dude until this thread didn't even know there was a private/personal thing

 

So out of curiosity if someone made a private mod and uploaded a picture of say a PC they had made with the private mod and then someone else saw it and reverse engineered it would the original creator be entitled to be pissed?

[Mebrilia]

It's just the ignorance of some of the people here is all.

 

They automatically assume just cause someone shows a picture of their mod, that they are being egotistical and bragging and rubbing it in their face. They think it is rude and disrespectful for someone to display their work of art, and not give them a copy of it. Entitlement and greed is what is happening here.

 

And seriously? Now we are complaining about how they tell you it is private? So it's perfectly fine to say "This is for personal use" but it's not okay to say "This is private"? It's the same thing. Seriously, now you guys are just reaching for excuses to be upset.

 

Just face it. You don't like the fact that someone has something you want, so you are going to go into some conspiracy about hateful modders who rub stuff in your face. Instead of understanding the reasons behind why some stuff is kept private, and then moving on with your life.

 

 

Sadly is not about ignorance... some show off private work in a honest manner... Other unfortunately do it just to troll people and make silly comment on them...

 

There is nothing wrong to say.... Oh its private.. Or this is for personal use sorry...

 

Is wrong when from who upload them there are comment... Hey you know what? look what i have and i am not going to share it ! mhuahuahua...

 

((this also happens a lot but i am glad not here and this is what i consider wrong..))

 

BUt in the end for me that i have not time to learn how to mod due to a busy RL hear comments "Do it yourself.." is a bit silly... If i had the time to learn of course i will do if not well is not my fault...

 

That's don't change the fact to me a modder that only do "personal mods" and don't share nothing is just a pointless modder.... In my opinion now call the executioneer if you wish XD

 

But i am glad we have people that post personal work not sharing it but the same people made also awesome work open for everyone and this is nice..

[itt1968]

Well, not really the same boat, but this is in the same ocean... Me being a Line Cook by trade, I've worked with some very egotistic Chefs, some wouldn't even let you glimpse the pages of their cook books or notes... some were the exact opposite and wanted to teach everything they knew to us.. I will admit, an Egotistic Chef is a pain in the a$$ to work for and a waste of time!  unless of course, you plan on stealing his notes... some people do that!!!! yes really, they do!!!  I can understand the fact that its those recipes that got that Chef famous and well established in the Culinary world... My question would be: Is that mod making you any money sitting in your HD? Are you getting the reputation as one of the Elite modders in our community by it siting there? Or is it that your mod is  so flawed and filled with bugs  that it only looks good in jpeg format? apparently this is a really big issue in some community's but I haven't came across it as of yet in here, maybe its because I'm not looking hard enough or, more than likely, I could give a rats ass less about such things.

Truth be known, it takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, my world revolves just fine without such people in it and I intend to keep it that way...     

EDIT... This post isn't directed towards anyone who keeps some mods private and shares others, I totally respect your opinion to do so ever so much... this is such an awesome community with so many treasures to behold, and if you want, to download them and make them a part of your life (via, your game)... its really lame to moan and groan about the couple that aren't.

[Stevierage]

@ Mebrilla,  I'm sorry but excuses like 'too busy IRL' is a bit silly, if your too busy irl to learn to mod then your too busy irl to play the game.

I picked up how to convert stuff about 5 months ago (6 if you count the time i used to watch (nightasy) vids then try it out in 3ds), what i did was use what playtime i had (about 1-2 hours a day or every other day, to learn how to mod instead of playing the game. 

Please don't take this the wrong way, because i too thought i wouldn't have the time to learn to mod either.

 

 

 

[Guest Mogie56]

It's funny how the OP asked a question, people came and gave there opinions as answers, now other people want to censor those opinions considering them as whining and I guess somehow feeling slighted or offended by the answers given. How does that work? I mean if you don't like the answers given, give your own answer. but telling others there whining isn't adding anything constructive to what is being discussed it only detracts from it. Everyone has differing opinions, why censor them because it doesn't aline with your opinion.

[blabba]

my 2 cents, since everyone seems to be giving out theirs...

(I wonder if we could make a dollar with all of them?)

 

Don't feed into a 'private mod' screenshot. If a mod author uploads a screenshot and you ask for the mod and they say it's 'private' without any other explanation. 60% of the time they are being an attention whore. Best thing to do is not like the screenshot and move on and probably blacklist that person just so you never feel that twang of jealousy ever again.

 

The next 30% of the time is when they give you a reason as to why it's private while stating it's private. If they say it's a WIP or not fully done yet and they posted the SS for feedback, then the best thing to do is give them feedback and offer a helping hand and promise to a NDA (non-disclosure act) if you do help them.

 

The next 9% of the time is for special few types of mods like body replacers and character faces/textures and such. If they choose not release it and you can tell from looking at it or from what they've described about it that it took a lot of time and effort and they'd like to keep it to themself. Then yes, they've got a bit of 'ego' to them and 'pride' but if they have given back to the community via other mods or help or you know them to be nice people, then respect their decision and still like the work (it may eventually get released when the author tires of it)

 

The last 1% is for those who don't respond at all or who have left the modding scene entirely. For these special brave few souls, we must mourn the loss of their great mods/files and also for them as people for having to be pushed away from such a great community as the game modding scene.

 

I could give examples of modders who fit into all the categories I described, but that's besides the point (and would probably spark another debate). Hell I could even categorize and give you the rough percentage of people who seek after 'private mods' or normal mods a.k.a end users, (NOT leechers, it is a derogatory term to me that has a similar connotation as calling someone 'gay') but I don't think anyone wants to know my views on that, after all I'm just a small time mod author (not really, more like a tweaker/experimenter) that really has no clout to the likes of Ashal, Caliente, Fore, or many of the other huge hitters out there

[Mebrilia]

@ Mebrilla,  I'm sorry but excuses like 'too busy IRL' is a bit silly, if your too busy irl to learn to mod then your too busy irl to play the game.

I picked up how to convert stuff about 5 months ago (6 if you count the time i used to watch (nightasy) vids then try it out in 3ds), what i did was use what playtime i had (about 1-2 hours a day or every other day, to learn how to mod instead of playing the game. 

Please don't take this the wrong way, because i too thought i wouldn't have the time to learn to mod either.

 

Learning take time and effort.. At the moment when i come home i prefear have some fun after a day at work i am tired and i don't have the mind to sit and learn but instead i prefear have some play....  Of course this is a thing i want do when my brain is not so busy with the rl stuff..

 

The Op asked a question and we just try to answer and explain the reason people go mad when they see "it's private" under a pic

[Vioxsis]

So out of curiosity if someone made a private mod and uploaded a picture of say a PC they had made with the private mod and then someone else saw it and reverse engineered it would the original creator be entitled to be pissed?

I hope so, i have done it a few times on small stuff just because the thought that some one would be pissed made me laugh.

 

[gvman3670]

It's funny how the OP asked a question, people came and gave there opinions as answers, now other people want to censor those opinions considering them as whining and I guess somehow feeling slighted or offended by the answers given. How does that work? I mean if you don't like the answers given, give your own answer. but telling others there whining isn't adding anything constructive to what is being discussed it only detracts from it. Everyone has differing opinions, why censor them because it doesn't aline with your opinion.

 

Opinions can be wrong. In fact, they usually are since they tend to not be based on facts or reason. They're generally based on emotions these days. Today's youth are sadly mistaken when they think their opinions hold any weight whatsoever or even matter at all. Everyone needs to learn that opinions aren't on the same footing as facts.

 

So if someone blurts out emotion-based opinions they should be called on it. Sure, you're allowed to have opinions and you can state them as well. But the act of throwing them out there for the world to hear/read doesn't make them valid.

[xenic]

 

So out of curiosity if someone made a private mod and uploaded a picture of say a PC they had made with the private mod and then someone else saw it and reverse engineered it would the original creator be entitled to be pissed?

I hope so, i have done it a few times on small stuff just because the thought that some one would be pissed made me laugh.

 

That is a flip side of this that I have never thought of. So if I made a cool mod and never released it then "other guy" say it and copied it I would be slightly ticked yes. I think that "Other guy" should at least put in the description "inspired by mod x" but if he still did the work to get it there, I couldn't really be very angry... I don't think. I would be mad if it was copied and no mention of me was included.

[itt1968]

 

It's funny how the OP asked a question, people came and gave there opinions as answers, now other people want to censor those opinions considering them as whining and I guess somehow feeling slighted or offended by the answers given. How does that work? I mean if you don't like the answers given, give your own answer. but telling others there whining isn't adding anything constructive to what is being discussed it only detracts from it. Everyone has differing opinions, why censor them because it doesn't aline with your opinion.

 

Opinions can be wrong. In fact, they usually are since they tend to not be based on facts or reason. They're generally based on emotions these days. Today's youth are sadly mistaken when they think their opinions hold any weight whatsoever or even matter at all. Everyone needs to learn that opinions aren't on the same footing as facts.

 

So if someone blurts out emotion-based opinions they should be called on it. Sure, you're allowed to have opinions and you can state them as well. But the act of throwing them out there for the world to hear/read doesn't make them valid.

 

 

There is no VALID excuse to be heard in this thread, its all a matter of opinion/personal preference... the only facts to be argued are... So and so made a mod... now we are all just expressing our opinion about So and so's personal preference to either a). share the mod or . keep the thing for himself.... if we wish to kick a dead horse, why don't we kick the UNP/CBBE horse that's died a hundred times... at least we have some valid facts to go and back up our arguments with but, we better hurry up because once that HDT body gets released to the public... NOTHING will compare!!! that's a FACT!!!  Have a nice day!!!

 

[Vioxsis]

That is a flip side of this that I have never thought of. So if I made a cool mod and never released it then "other guy" say it and copied it I would be slightly ticked yes. I think that "Other guy" should at least put in the description "inspired by mod x" but if he still did the work to get it there, I couldn't really be very angry... I don't think. I would be mad if it was copied and no mention of me was included.

Unreleased mods don't have names, i never even knew who took the picture, and to be perfectly honest i don't care about any of that. So why should they get a mention? Its my mesh, my textures, my manic sense of irony that made the mod.

 

And if they didn't want it copied then they should have kept them private.

 

What would make it funnier is when a picture by the "private moder" is posted in the "what mod is this thread", the copy i made is posted as the response.

And that the fact that it was ever private to begin with is forgotten along with who ever originally posted the picture and the person who made/ported it (if not the same person)

 

Its just a shame that most of the "private" stuff is lame, well probably not lame if you like shiny stuff...

[unscwupulous]

 

That is a flip side of this that I have never thought of. So if I made a cool mod and never released it then "other guy" say it and copied it I would be slightly ticked yes. I think that "Other guy" should at least put in the description "inspired by mod x" but if he still did the work to get it there, I couldn't really be very angry... I don't think. I would be mad if it was copied and no mention of me was included.

Unreleased mods don't have names, i never even knew who took the picture, and to be perfectly honest i don't care about any of that. So why should they get a mention? Its my mesh, my textures, my manic sense of irony that made the mod.

 

And if they didn't want it copied then they should have kept them private.

 

What would make it funnier is when a picture by the "private moder" is posted in the "what mod is this thread", the copy i made is posted as the response.

And that the fact that it was ever private to begin with is forgotten along with who ever originally posted the picture and the person who made/ported it (if not the same person)

 

Its just a shame that most of the "private" stuff i lame, well probably not lame if you like shiny stuff...

 

Quoting for outoflikes and loving the irony

[Guest Mogie56]

 

It's funny how the OP asked a question, people came and gave there opinions as answers, now other people want to censor those opinions considering them as whining and I guess somehow feeling slighted or offended by the answers given. How does that work? I mean if you don't like the answers given, give your own answer. but telling others there whining isn't adding anything constructive to what is being discussed it only detracts from it. Everyone has differing opinions, why censor them because it doesn't aline with your opinion.

 

Opinions can be wrong. In fact, they usually are since they tend to not be based on facts or reason. They're generally based on emotions these days. Today's youth are sadly mistaken when they think their opinions hold any weight whatsoever or even matter at all. Everyone needs to learn that opinions aren't on the same footing as facts.

 

So if someone blurts out emotion-based opinions they should be called on it. Sure, you're allowed to have opinions and you can state them as well. But the act of throwing them out there for the world to hear/read doesn't make them valid.

 

 

Opinions have never been nor ever will be said to be FACT, but just how are they "wrong", it is only your opinion that they would be wrong, and your opinion that they need to be based on fact with proof. Cannot be done, they are only opinions. but by your last statement

one would gather you would rather people keep there opinions to themselves and not put them out there for others to read/hear because it is your opinion that they're opinions are not valid because they are not based on fact. I must admit, I'm lost on that one.

[gvman3670]

There is no VALID excuse to be heard in this thread, its all a matter of opinion/personal preference.

I don't agree. No matter what the modded/created virtual object is it is entirely up to the creator to decide whether or not to share it. That's it. That's a fact. Is it not?

 

The only time opinion comes into play is when someone who didn't create said digital object feels they should be entitled to have it, too. That is what is baseless and doesn't deserve to be addressed with anything but ridicule.

 

Do we really live in an age where people feel offended when they're not allowed to have some virtual digital clothing to dress up a nonexistent character with? Even when they have no claim on this non-existent object?

 

Call me old. But this is pretty ridiculous when you look at it through "reality goggles".

[gvman3670]

Opinions have never been nor ever will be said to be FACT, but just how are they "wrong", it is only your opinion that they would be wrong, and your opinion that they need to be based on fact with proof. Cannot be done, they are only opinions. but by your last statement

one would gather you would rather people keep there opinions to themselves and not put them out there for others to read/hear because it is your opinion that they're opinions are not valid because they are not based on fact. I must admit, I'm lost on that one.

Opinions most certainly CAN, I would argue SHOULD, be based on facts. Just as beliefs should be. I have many opinions, all of which are grounded on facts based in reality. This means you can actually have opinions that are correct instead of just being a bunch of emotional nonsense.