Mod X is private but why the anger/crying?

[xenic]

I've seen several posts about "the mod is private" followed by rage, anger, or just general complaints. I don't get why people are so upset by it. There plenty of mods I've seen that are private but I don't feel like I am entitled to or deserve to have them. Sometimes, when you make something in a game, it's your own special piece. You like to show it off but don't really want to share. Kind of like when you buy a collectors edition of game. You show your friends but yo don't give them your copy. Maybe that's a bad example though.

 

What are your thoughts? I'm really curious how people feel about this.

[Deep Red]

I personally don't mind people showing off their private mods. It doesn't bother me because there's already a huge pool of armor/clothing mods out there to choose from. The fact that said modders have already shared what they've made really gives the rest of us nothing to complain about. I've always found it amusing when people get upset or even angry when it is made clear that an author's mod is private. They've really no reason to in all honesty. Most of the time, I find that authors who state that a certain mod is unavailable to the public have a legitimate reason to. The most common one being that they could get in trouble for sharing it, as is the case when they port Daz3D content into Skyrim.

 

I will agree that it can be a bummer sometimes, but it's no reason to fuss over and start a piss fight like I have seen too many times.

[Spyder Arachnid]

I'm with you. I don't see the big deal honestly.

 

If someone wants to make a mod for their own personal use, more power to them. They are the ones putting in the work and time it takes to make it, they are entitled to do whatever they want with it. They are not obligated to release it to the public if they show a picture of it. It is not selfish in any way whatsoever. It is their creation, they can do as they like with it.

 

It really bothers me when people try to justify themselves by complaining about a private mod not being released. It's like, "I'm sorry, who are you again? Did you put in the time and effort to create that mod? Why exactly do you feel you are entitled to have it?". Some people are so demanding and act like the modders are selfish and cruel because they created something for themselves and didn't release it. These people should be happy they get mods at all. Modders put in countless hours/days/months to make these mods for them, and it's all free and open for anyone to download. Then when one person makes a private mod, they throw a fit about it being private.

 

We lost a lot of good modders because of this. I won't name any names cause I don't want this to become a personal thread against anyone. But there was so many modders out there that I loved seeing their screenshots of private mods. They made some amazing stuff, regardless if I could have it or not. I just appreciated the work involved and the effort they went through to make them.

 

Simply, I don't mind private mods at all. Let modders do what they want. It is their time and work, they can do whatever they want. For all the complainers, deal with it. You are not entitled to their mods and it is their choice what they choose to do with their own work.

[venomg3]

the rage comes not from it being private but,

the fact that they plaster it across the internet basiclly saying look what i have that u dont, there is zero reason to move the screenshot of your special items

into the public eye

 

that being said often times there ports/poser or content they never got permisson to convert and release (to be fair alot of people ignore that last one lately)

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Redflyingmonkey]

Well, I see it as cooking. If you learn how to cook, you'll notice everything works by sharing. There are some recipes you can't make with all the experimentation in the world, you would need someone else to share the recipe with you for you to get it right. But getting angry at someone because he won't share his own recipe is retarded, you just have to try and do something yourself, or try to ask for a new recipe from someone else more inclined to share his own experiences. 

So I understand feeling pissed when someone refuses to share anything with you after making you "taste the recipe", but I would never actually get angry at the said person for it, it's just retarded ! Would you insult a cook for not sharing the legendary recipe of the carrot & cucumber lasagna ?? Retarded !

It's just a game, it's just Skyrim, and what the dude has done, however awesome it may look, is still nothing compared to everything you can get from other sharing authors. Just leave the dude alone, if he wants to be the only one eating carrot & cucumber lasagna, why would anyone care, there are still hundreds of other lasagna combinations. 

It's just that peculiar mindset of our "connected generation", we never truly understands that something that is in the internet doesn't belong automatically to everyone, and that as Kant said, one's liberty of choice should always stop where another's liberty of choice begins. 

[Deep Red]

"Exclusive" "Private" "Invite Only" "Premium" and other words that denote goods or services that are out of reach of common people create a very noticeable pressure between those who have or can afford them and the have nots. Luxury brands know this perfectly and have been using the concept as a marketing strategy for centuries. Personally, I think it's a pity this byproduct of the capitalist system found its way into things that don't have a monetary value by definition, like Skyrim mods. I have no trouble with Rolex telling me I can't get their solid gold watches, but mods? They are the property of Bethesda from the moment they are ingame. And since they are forbidden to be sold, the sole excuse for being out of reach is the whim of the creators.

 

The words exclusive, invite only, and premium are generally frowned upon. In the Skyrim modding community however, exclusive and private don't necessarily have a negative connotation. Well, at least from my point of view. I think the key thing to remember is that everyone likes to have something that is unique, and in our case it would be the characters we sometimes spend hours at a time making. In the end I realize that it might ultimately come down to individual perspective. Some might see it and not think much, whereas the next person over might see it as the author is tantalizing or trolling their viewers.

[Spyder Arachnid]

the rage comes not from it being private but,

the fact that they plaster it across the internet basiclly saying look what i have that u dont, there is zero reason to move the screenshot of your special items

into the public eye

 

that being said often times there ports/poser or content they never got permisson to convert and release (to be fair alot of people ignore that last one lately)

 

Just because someone posts a picture, doesn't mean they are trying to rub it in your face.

 

That's like saying an artist who paints a painting, should keep it to themselves instead of putting it up in a museum or something. Are they rubbing it in your face that they created a masterwork and you can't have it? Or say a mother bakes an amazing cake with great detail for her son's birthday party. She is proud of her work on that cake and posts a picture to facebook to show her friends. Does that instantly mean she is rubbing it in their faces saying look what I did, and you can't have it?

 

An artist wants to show off their work to the public. Modders are artists. They want others to appreciate the time and effort they put into something as much as they appreciate it. It's not for bragging rights or to rub it in your face, it's just to let others see the work they have done.

[hryh23k9823u]

Not being willing to share something that is digital, that you dont lose for share it, that its a copy, ones and zeroes, is a sign of moral povery. 2014 already. Of course nobody is obligated to share anything. We've got a spanish say, lo cortés no quita lo valiente, meaning something like being polite does not preclude being brave.

[Passerby]

It's just that peculiar mindset of our "connected generation", we never truly understands that something that is in the internet doesn't belong automatically to everyone,

 

I really think that right there is a big part of it, I know a lot of my own way of thinking is that if I see something digital that I want it's typically available in some form. The internet really doesn't seem to be a place of too many walls, so to run up against them is somewhat baffling. Particularly because the nature of data is antithetical to the notion of exclusivity.

 

But it really depends on the mod and the situation, at least for me. There have been plenty of times when I've been looking for one exact function or aesthetic that I thought would go well with another outfit or mod already installed, so to see it but then have it still be out of reach is just incredibly frustrating. To see something and know it exists somewhere, and possibly have it be just a few clicks away for someone to share it but then still be unattainable. Just that thought of it being so close but so far.

 

But I understand a lot of reasons why people wouldn't, even beyond just getting in trouble. As soon as you add a mod people have an expectation of you supporting it to some degree, and if it's not perfect then it's the modder's fault and they have the responsibility to fix it even if it wasn't something that really bothered them. Or guilt because a modder doesn't think it's good enough (even though it almost always is). There are a lot of situations where it's really just simpler to not release it. So my frustration doesn't tend to last for long unless it's something I keep running into. Like if SKSE was private, for instance.

That being said, I still feel a little like even if someone doesn't want to support it themselves they might at least make it available to an enterprising modder who would. And maybe in a lot of situations if a modder like that would step up and ask and offer it might work out that way, makes sense to me at least.

[Cynical Misanthrope]

I have always belived in sharing is caring. If I create stuff, I want other ppl to have it. And if they love it = Enough reward for me.

If they don't, I have failed and needs to step it up, to make something better.

 

If a user has created/converted a mod X but states it's private, not for the public, what so ever, thats fine. I respect that.

But I do not know why even bother to show it in the first place. If it's just to tease and rub it my face, then FU. Especially if the mod in question is illegal.

 

Sadly, some ppl are like that. They like to show off and tease and "look what I have, you don't. lollololol!!11"

So I can see why some ppl rage over it.

 

Personally I don't care much. The world will not end just because I don't posses a mod that I would like to have.

 

 

 

[unscwupulous]

 

the rage comes not from it being private but,

the fact that they plaster it across the internet basiclly saying look what i have that u dont, there is zero reason to move the screenshot of your special items

into the public eye

 

that being said often times there ports/poser or content they never got permisson to convert and release (to be fair alot of people ignore that last one lately)

 

Exactly! It's the "Cartman Complex". You know that South Park episode where he buys an amusement park only with the intention to keep everyone out, even when he's losing money that way?

If a modder wants to keeps thing private, what's the point of showcase it en every site available out there? A bit of ill will and narcissism, I'm sure.

 

"Hey everybody, look at what I've done! And the best of all, you can't have it! Oh, but you are free to tell me how awesome I am. After all, I can't keep myself of showing it off. Even with that, you should totally restrain yourself of begging me for it, eh? Because that's going to make me feel bad, you know?"

 

 

Pretty much this ^^.

 

Personally, this doesn't affect me as most of these "private mods" are just ports of stuff that were made by people with actual artistic talent.  Porting is easy, I can have a poser mesh from import to ingame in about an hour or so if I really want it.

 

 

With regards to the source of a lot of these issues lately  -  If they want to keep spamming that wax covered monster in the show your toon thread I don't care, because thankfully spoiler tags are in use, but now they've started crapping out all that inane and nonsensical technobabble again just like over at nexus it's time to reach for the ignore list.

[xenic]

"Exclusive" "Private" "Invite Only" "Premium" and other words that denote goods or services that are out of reach of common people create a very noticeable pressure between those who have or can afford them and the have nots. Luxury brands know this perfectly and have been using the concept as a marketing strategy for centuries. Personally, I think it's a pity this byproduct of the capitalist system found its way into things that don't have a monetary value by definition, like Skyrim mods. I have no trouble with Rolex telling me I can't get their solid gold watches, but mods? They are the property of Bethesda from the moment they are ingame. And since they are forbidden to be sold, the sole excuse for being out of reach is the whim of the creators.

There are a few mods that I have seen and I know someone paid the modder to make. Therefore it is his private mod. I don't really disagree with this. It's like paying an artist to paint a picture for you. But the modder in question left public modding because people would flame him for not sharing every single mod he made (he made 10 and shared 8). 

[gvman3670]

I've built lots of custom stuff for myself in real life (from bows to knives to motorcycles) and I didn't share those or just give them away either. I have let people ogle those things (and even occasionally let them ride the bikes or shoot the bows if I trusted them) so I could guage their responses/reactions. But that's about it.

 

I don't see showing off these mods as being any different.

[venomg3]

I've built lots of custom stuff for myself in real life (from bows to knives to motorcycles) and I didn't share those or just give them away either. I have let people ogle those things (and even occasionally let them ride the bikes or shoot the bows if I trusted them) so I could guage their responses/reactions. But that's about it.

 

I don't see showing off these mods as being any different.

 

diffrence is simple in real world you would lose the original item if you sold it or gave it away

 

doesnt realy apply to digitial  as sharing it will not cost you the loss of said piece

if anything sharing it would be like a insurance policy as harddrive crashs can happen to anyone

[gvman3670]

 

I've built lots of custom stuff for myself in real life (from bows to knives to motorcycles) and I didn't share those or just give them away either. I have let people ogle those things (and even occasionally let them ride the bikes or shoot the bows if I trusted them) so I could guage their responses/reactions. But that's about it.

 

I don't see showing off these mods as being any different.

 

diffrence is simple in real world you would lose the original item if you sold it or gave it away

 

doesnt realy apply to digitial  as sharing it will not cost you the loss of said piece

if anything sharing it would be like a insurance policy as harddrive crashs can happen to anyone

 

Yeah, you have a point. But not having the item any more isn't why I didn't give it away or share it. I kept these things for myself because of how they gave me a feeling of accomplishment after putting in lots of time, creativity and effort. The physical thing itself wasn't really the reward.

[quin666]

                                                                        

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[Guest Ragna_Rok]

hm... i usually have one or two mods i dont upload yet. but this is only the case if i make a special something that i still want to tweak more. there are simply mods where you go like "fuck it, its done ... *uploads*" ... and others, that work in game, but ... you dont get that special feeling yet. for example the devastator. took me months before i had it the way i wanted it. i remade it several times from scratch, and just released it after it gots its final touch (molag bal laughing when you equip it)... this was the time i felt it was ready, nothing to be added, nothing to be changed, brutal-as-fuck-awesome-kickass-gear in orcish perfection.

 

when im happy with the way stuff works in game, this is the moment i release. and basically i release everything i make sooner or later. though the general decision should be the modders choice. if you see sth that you cant get, you shouldnt be a crybaby about it. after all theres no law that all you ever mod has to be shared online. so instead of becoming a bitch, simply be patient. and even if theres no release, its not like the world is ending.

 

lastly we also have stuff you simply are not allowed to upload. for example, there is this kickass conan weapon collection. its not my work, still i tweaked its content slightly by making some personal improvements, and thus increased content and fun for me. since the author doesnt like changes or reuploads, i respect his decision, and will never upload those tweaks, its a matter of respect, and no matter if law-proof or not, i respect other modders.

this is one of the foundations of modding i think, you share stuff, and out of respect, at least a couple of polite gestures should be allowed to be asked, call it the "code of modding" if you want. another example are the lotr-weapons. some swords are amazingly designed, but i simply hate toothpick-weapons, so i fleshed out the blades and hilts a little, for personal use only. maybe stuff like that pops up on a screenshot i make sooner or later, and if folks would ask, id explain and say no. if then the hating starts i simply go into "fuck you"-mode and point them towards my respect for modders, and the persons own lazy assness of not learning how to scale a fucking blade in blender and just making it themselves. takes less than 5 minutes once you have the hang of it.

 

everything that is only my own work is shared sooner or later. i wanted to upload a dozen mods at once this weekend, am clustering, i got 4 done (16 weapons right now), but i spent weeks on designing them, and my fans can surely wait a day or two (its the rest of the gear i let folks vote about, on DC and here on LL. and also some other places).

 

and once in a while a like on the support topic, or a nice comment, is just a matter of good behaviour from the downloaders. a "thx" never hurt anybody, you know. nowadays its sad you have to remind folks about that, its mostly like "cool, free stuff"-->downloads-->is happy and thinks "fuck you, dumbass"... or posts stupid questions without reading the description about stuff that is actually explained in the description... or goes like "nice mod, but change this, change that" (automatic fuck-you-mode from my side)... you can achieve so much cool stuff with just being nice or grateful once in a while. real modders shouldnt care about sharing. but if they decide to not share, no one should blame them.

 

my main reason for modding the fuck out of skyrim now is that i wanted  to supply a couple of new-land-mods and other projects with more gear to pick from. in exchange, some of them make my orc-char the local blacksmith, so Ragna-Rok will suply gamers with awesome brutal stuff for all eternity .. its no "has to be" when i make deals, but its a nice gesture of respect... most of the times they were happy about the amount of stuff i offer and were so happy that they found it a cool idea

 

and im done with modding in a couple of weeks anyway, theres no way i can make a single mod in about a month from now on anymore, my days for skyrim are counted. another reason i release tons of stuff, is this community here. its nice, but its by far underrated. sure, maybe the porn and boob stuff scares some folks away, but the general feeling of the community here is awesome. if i blast a shitload of more content on LL, this site gets more attractions, gets more noticed, i get more views and dls (and become famous, my first video features have been done already, and one of my armors is on modtype... yay!), and most important, i piss nexus and motherfucking dork-one off like hell. its a win-win-situation for me

 

mod on, fellows ... and dont forget to leave nice comments or a "like" on the stuff you downloaded and enjoyed. ppl should be more polite nowadays, even if they will never meet irl.

 

 

ps: oh, ive also built a custom-e-guitar. but this thingy can break, and isnt replacable, priceless for me, not like virtual mods. if you touch my custom e-guitar, i kick you in the nutz

 

[LuffMeister]

A modder has every right to post whatever image he chose, just like regular user.

 

Or, do you suggest that modders can only post image of things he share, but leechers can post whatever image they want? How does that make sense?

 

 

Maybe modder don't want to share because the community is full of entitled leechers who always demand everything from modders, but give nothing in return.

 

 

Modders work for free so be grateful that they share some of their work with you. To me, 1 modder > 1000 leechers, so I have no problem with modders post picture of private mods.

[Guest Ragna_Rok]

Maybe modder don't want to share because the community is full of entitled leechers who always demand everything from modders, but give nothing in return.

 

Modders work for free so be grateful that they share some of their work with you. To me, 1 modder > 1000 leechers, so I have no problem with modders post picture of private mods.

 

aaaaand you get a like for hitting the nail on the head.

 

dont forget to leave a comment or a like on the mods you score here and enjoyed, on nexus most ppl went into silent-leech-mode... here it should be different

 

edit: on second thought... i dont know any modder that didnt face that once. thinking like "but they only criticize, or nag, or demand to change this or that" ... actually there was a thread here once about that. luckily, in most cases modders backup other modders, one of the reason why nexus' good ol "KettleWitch" is one of my most appreciated online-buddies.

[...0...]

I've seen several posts about "the mod is private" followed by rage, anger, or just general complaints. I don't get why people are so upset by it. There plenty of mods I've seen that are private but I don't feel like I am entitled to or deserve to have them. Sometimes, when you make something in a game, it's your own special piece. You like to show it off but don't really want to share. Kind of like when you buy a collectors edition of game. You show your friends but yo don't give them your copy. Maybe that's a bad example though.

 

What are your thoughts? I'm really curious how people feel about this.

 

If people wanne keep it for themselfs i don't care its there right to do so.

 

If a mod looks great i'll prais it and wait if the creator wanne release it or not im not gonne beg, nag or cry over this.

 

There plenty mods out there no need to be upset for something you don't even have the right to demand anything.

[Cynical Misanthrope]

A modder has every right to post whatever image he chose, just like regular user.

 

Or, do you suggest that modders can only post image of things he share, but leechers can post whatever image they want? How does that make sense?

 

No, Thats not my issue. As I said, if a modder creates something from scratch, something truly uniq, but choose not to share it, I respect that to 100%.

I would be a sad panda if modder did not share it, but it's his work and not the end of the world.

It would makes his/hers game trully uniq.

 

What I am against, is modders who convert something illegal, and then rub it in others ppl face. Even if the ReadMe states "This product can not under any circumstances been shown or shared to the public"

[LuffMeister]

 

 

What I am against, is modders who convert something illegal, and then rub it in others ppl face. Even if the ReadMe states "This product can not under any circumstances been shown or shared to the public"

 

 

That's absolutely not true. Read poser/daz terms, there are nothing against converting the models for personal/private use, it's only illegal if the modder shares them with the general public.

 

And do you really think daz/poser would put "This product can not under any circumstances be shown ... to the public"? The whole point of daz/poser models are to create rendered images, so if daz/poser disallow people to show their images, the companies would go bankrupt.

[Guest Ragna_Rok]

i dont even know what the fuck "poser/daz" is...

[XunAmarox]

To be honest, I'm more concerned over the extreme butthurt exhibited by many mod authors when given constructive criticism. Rather than using it positively to improve they usually just get offended, flustered, and vehemently take it as an outright insult.

 

I'm not talking about something like "your mod is shit, make it better" or something... I mean literally like "you missed a seam here, you might want to take a look at it."

 

To be honest, I feel like I have to walk on eggshells even commenting on mods anywhere anymore. Of course, most people don't give constructive crits... they're mostly whiny little dickbags. But everyone's so wound up that whether you're polite and constructive or not you still end up being treated like shit for your trouble. The worst are the ones that tell you to do something better... what kind of dick tells someone something like that? They know most people can't so they're just going to stick up their noses at them.

 

But hell, it really makes them go ballistic if you follow through on their dare. I had someone at some point try to tell me that a simple recolor took them hours, that it was extremely hard, and that something or other was impossible. I politely tried to explain to them an easy workflow for achieving the same results much more easily (which is what set them off in the first place), they told me it was impossible and to do it myself if it was so easy... I did the same thing they did in a different color in less than 5 minutes and showed it to them.

 

People like that can't be helped and probably won't improve any time soon. It's not just newbies that are like that though, some very popular well established mod authors are just the same. It blows my mind, really.

[JaFinmongrab]

i dont even know what the fuck "poser/daz" is...

 

They're pre-rendered model, posing and clothing add-ons for 3D modeling software the user can purchase and download for their own use.

 

Of course they can post all the images they want but legal restrictions prevent them from sharing the actual models/textures, even if they convert them to be used in another program.

 

Many of the ultra high-rez stuff you see floating around that's unavailable to the public are perfect examples.

 

Although, just from browsing various 3D galleries around the net, I recognize nearly half the stuff that I've downloaded that is shared with the public that probably shouldn't have been. So many times I think to myself when checking out a gallery, "I know I've seen that outfit before. Oh, wait. I have it! So that's where that came from."