MSMA: SexFight (like "Succubus Drain") and Bimbofication

[judge007]

1 hour ago, MSM_Alice said:

@Ragsinn
Here is it . This version can offer more info on AP costs and sex marathons,    if you toggle it with  Dev hotkey number #4, set up in MCM.
If pressed before an AAF scene,  in toggles on.off a mode that it will show you some stats vis popup windows at the start of the AAF scene, and on each answered challenge. 


On Start: 
The Sex Marathon value 
AP callenge cost for each participant.( before alchool) 
On each challenge: 
Final computed Cost per challenge 


If those values seem incorrect to you we can dig further but here, that 39 previous partners that you see in the sex report is what was amplifying your per-challenge cost for sure.  Your PC is in a "sex marathon," and on entry number 39, things get very challenging indeed, and not even a 900 AP bar can save you there after what I assume were 39 group sex rounds.

MSMA_PRELUDE__RC2_0_8405.zip 124.92 MB · 1 download

 

Just to clarify, the initial conversation patch with Misty, and the Factionless patch (0.8061) are not required?

The 200 song music download still applies?

[MSM_Alice]

@judge007

Just two files. 
Music pack zip + mod  RC zip 
That is all. Yes, both are needed.

The "initial conversation patch with Misty": I don't even remember what it was; odds are it's not needed. 

If by the" factionless patch" you mean the optional tweak to the Violate FPV_Ohit script is still optional; use it or not if you have an unaltered Violate 1.61 
If it is something else, also I forgot what that is, odds are it is not needed.


If you want, you can use this one. I integrated more feedback from the Discord on the speed at which cravings mess up CVTs.
Also solved a corner case that was causing a soft lock when silly anims on high arousal and level up convos fired at the same time,
I am testing it a bit, but I will replace the one on the main page with it. 

 

MSMA_PRELUDE__RC2_0_8406.zip

Edited December 18, 2025 by MSM_Alice

[judge007]

19 minutes ago, MSM_Alice said:

@judge007

Just two files. 
Music pack zip + mod  RC zip 
That is all. Yes, both are needed.

The "initial conversation patch with Misty": I don't even remember what it was; odds are it's not needed. 

If by the" factionless patch" you mean the optional tweak to the Violate FPV_Ohit script is still optional; use it or not if you have an unaltered Violate 1.61 
If it is something else, also I forgot what that is, odds are it is not needed.


If you want, you can use this one. I integrated more feedback from the Discord on the speed at which cravings mess up CVTs.
Also solved a corner case that was causing a soft lock when silly anims on high arousal and level up convos fired at the same time,
I am testing it a bit, but I will replace the one on the main page with it. 

MSMA_PRELUDE__RC2_0_8406.zip 124.92 MB · 0 downloads

You had released both those patches, my assumption being they are integrated in the RC.

However, we both know about assumptions . . .

The factionless patch you released and actually include the version # with it.

If you've forgotten about them, so will I . . .

 

Thank you!

 

Edit: I am going to try to once again compress your mod to an archive and see if it works once again.

Edited December 14, 2025 by judge007
Missed a point

[Ragsinn]

4 hours ago, MSM_Alice said:

@Ragsinn
Here is it . This version can offer more info on AP costs and sex marathons,    if you toggle it with  Dev hotkey number #4, set up in MCM.
If pressed before an AAF scene,  in toggles on.off a mode that it will show you some stats vis popup windows at the start of the AAF scene, and on each answered challenge. 


On Start: 
The Sex Marathon value 
AP callenge cost for each participant.( before alchool) 
On each challenge: 
Final computed Cost per challenge 


If those values seem incorrect to you we can dig further but here, that 39 previous partners that you see in the sex report is what was amplifying your per-challenge cost for sure.  Your PC is in a "sex marathon," and on entry number 39, things get very challenging indeed, and not even a 900 AP bar can save you there after what I assume were 39 group sex rounds.

MSMA_PRELUDE__RC2_0_84

05.zip 124.92 MB · 1 download

Just woke up and am about to get some coffee. So for me this is a new game. I lost my mother board last Sunday ,and did not get a new one until Wednesday last week and had to rebuild the pc. I transitioned from windows 10 to 11 and did not start playing until Friday evening. I lost the content of my main drive ( wrong format for win 11 security ). My point here is I lost all my mods. So the whole time I have been playing the last 4 days I have been building my mod list again, an ongoing process that's almost complete.  I mention it for two reasons. This is a pretty new play thru and also the fact that I am adding mods almost daily might be problematic. Soon as I get my coffee I will get you some screens with 8405.

Thank you for looking into this.

 

I re read your post. I think this has been a running upgrade to the RC. I think on Friday I loaded one of the 8300 builds. All my downloaded mods are on another drive so I just started the new game loading mods from there and adding the ones I lacked at nexus. Still sipping coffee.

 

I ran some tests as you asked. I rested for 36 hours and tried to reset that marathon counter. It did not work. ( I have screens but the server is running slow today ) I think after all you have done with checking the math and running tests on your end that this issue with the ap is probably an edge case . The new screens show the scene with Codsworth being the 40th in the chain. So I would ask what if anything can I do to rest and let that reset. If I can some how reset that chain of 40 I can then see if things get back to normal?

 

The reasons I am now feeling this is an edge case are that after all your testing and you see no issues, its on my end. 

So how do I reset that streak? Is it even possible after running upgrades from 8300 to 8405 and me adding mods to rebuild my lost mod list?

 

Thanks again for your time and what is looking like a GREAT mod.

Edited December 14, 2025 by Ragsinn
a Question

[Ragsinn]

This I think is what you asked for.

[MSM_Alice]

54 minutes ago, Ragsinn said:

This I think is what you asked for.

Indeed 
But it looks normal given the value of the marathon buildup stat. 

What about if you let things cool off, just stay somewhere, let the time pass. 
IT hinges on the mind break status; from SA, one needs to let the mind break heal. 

If the mindbreak is fully healed and or if you see that you have regained composure from orgasms, that " marathon" counter should reset.  too

One other aspect that would prevent the recovery is if your Violate is stuck, ( in that case you can use the debug option  in the MCM, to reset the violate state, and perhaps that would be enough) 
 

 

Edited December 14, 2025 by MSM_Alice

[judge007]

@MSM_Alice

 

Packed all possible files into one archive, no compression. Including music files.

Only AAF and MCM left as loose files.

 

It works

[Ragsinn]

43 minutes ago, Ragsinn said:

This I think is what you asked for.

I guess I got it figured out. I just got to get my girl some rest and nutrition. Seems the streak has corrected it self.

Now I Feel like an asshole for bothering you with this!

It is good to know that a long string of encounters will "tire" you, but you can recover.

[MSM_Alice]

50 minutes ago, Ragsinn said:

This I think is what you asked for.

If Sex Attributes no longer "heals" your Mindbreak for some reason, perhaps you could set the Sex Attribute Mindhealth global variable manually to 4 (that means healthy) ?

 

By that I mean run in console 
set FPA_Value_Mindhealth to 4 
Then wait about 30 seconds so it  propagates to MSMA periodic checkers,  and see if it not fixed. 


 

[MSM_Alice]

7 minutes ago, Ragsinn said:

I guess I got it figured out. I just got to get my girl some rest and nutrition. Seems the streak has corrected it self.

Now I Feel like an asshole for bothering you with this!

It is good to know that a long string of encounters will "tire" you, but you can recover.

Glad to hear it.
Yes,  as soon as  SA  heals the mindbreak  (which should not take too long), then the streak resets to 0 in max 30 seconds.
Nutrition and rest should do it

[Ragsinn]

The Latest build seems great. How do I stop agro from an enemy not in a scene with my pc from being aggressive to me or my partner? For instance say I am in a scene with a deathclaw and a sting wing comes up, or vice versa ? Thanks in advance!

[MSM_Alice]

4 hours ago, Ragsinn said:

The Latest build seems great. How do I stop agro from an enemy not in a scene with my pc from being aggressive to me or my partner? For instance say I am in a scene with a deathclaw and a sting wing comes up, or vice versa ? Thanks in advance!

If the scene in question was started by the AAF Violate mod, Violate handles that, and I think the philosophy there is not to prevent that aggro, but to stop the scene when attacked.

MSMA only interferes with these aspects on scenes that are specifically started by MSMA, (the Bimbo infiltration "Extend time" scenes are the ones typically started on the combat field), but only protects the player and any potential companion (not the enemy), from being aggroed by natural enemies that would happen to pass by.

Edited December 15, 2025 by MSM_Alice

[Mimirue17]

Loving the new bimbo skills, but do have one complaint.   The pop up will happen while in the chemistry station and you end up choosing whatever is closest to the create button if you happen to be making something at the time it pops up - costing a loss of time as had to back to the last save

[MSM_Alice]

9 hours ago, Mimirue17 said:

Loving the new bimbo skills, but do have one complaint.   The pop up will happen while in the chemistry station and you end up choosing whatever is closest to the create button if you happen to be making something at the time it pops up - costing a loss of time as had to back to the last save

Thank you.
Will dig and see how that menu is called and wait for it to be closed before prompting the player with the skill point distribution popup.

 

There's also that edge case (about 1 in 20 cases, as far as I can tell)  of traveling to bimbo limbo with one of the aggressors that needs to be sorted out, as it messes up everything, and the player remains stuck in limbo, and requires a previous game load. Fixing those (and maybe one more surprise),  that might be enough reason to push an RC3 for prelude once more, before I go permanently on the Act1 dev branch 

 

Edited December 17, 2025 by MSM_Alice

[Mimirue17]

3 hours ago, MSM_Alice said:

Thank you.
Will dig and see how that menu is called and wait for it to be closed before prompting the player with the skill point distribution popup.

 

There's also that edge case (about 1 in 20 cases, as far as I can tell)  of traveling to bimbo limbo with one of the aggressors that needs to be sorted out, as it messes up everything, and the player remains stuck in limbo, and requires a previous game load. Fixing those (and maybe one more surprise),  that might be enough reason to push an RC3 for prelude once more, before I go permanently on the Act1 dev branch 

 

It's all crafting stations, had it happen again and both windows end up on top of each other and you have to use keyboard up and down and enter to pick the one you want.

[Mimirue17]

There might be another issue.  Was mid dungeon and leveled up after an intense gang bang loop to level 3.  Used all dildos to calm things down and finished the dungeon with guns.  Went to Marina and did the level up items needed including bimbo school.  Rested, had sex once with flirt with SEU and leveled to bimbo 4. The bimbo 3 level up, dildo Trifeca, and bimbo school did not seem to reset the system.

[Mimirue17]

If I do not have NR installed, which outfit mod are you using for the body piercings?  The body slot they are using either block ASA shorts or Vtaw Thongs so wanted to change the slots of one of these.   I can use Easygirl hotpants but not a Thong and still use the body piercings.   It seems to be the navel piercing as just selecting that causes the same effect.   And changing the piercing option in the MCM does not effect this.

[MSM_Alice]

52 minutes ago, Mimirue17 said:

If I do not have NR installed, which outfit mod are you using for the body piercings?  The body slot they are using either block ASA shorts or Vtaw Thongs so wanted to change the slots of one of these.   I can use Easygirl hotpants but not a Thong and still use the body piercings.   It seems to be the navel piercing as just selecting that causes the same effect.   And changing the piercing option in the MCM does not effect this.

Just Easygirl for body piercings.

[Mimirue17]

2 minutes ago, MSM_Alice said:

Just Easygirl for body piercings.

Ok that's easy then as they post what slots they use, thanks!

[Mimirue17]

The chain of built up factors is likely from using sexfight gangbang kills in the Wasteland Guild mod along with BLTC which is a requirement of it.   The easiest way to level is to sexfight as many of the mobs as you can (which is really only Ferals) so you end up with extreme high (BLTC) gangbangs of 8-10 Ferals every run through the dungeon.   Even resetting the SA stats through the use of Dildos and setting the scale of Cravings down they eventually add up to quite a number for the system I am sure.   Out of the 125 points earned so far probably half or a little bit more are from large groups sessions with the Ghouls.   I will try the resting technique discussed much earlier in the thread to reset the system (still going to add up for cravings though) and make sure I can cure the cum addiction every now and then through Krista.   I do not mind leveling the bimbo levels to be honest, as you get more choices for the skill system that way - just have to manage the suggestions each level has on piercings, size etc.   Its a game style choice - the old system I would easily be level 5-7 bimbo already.    Being a half air head (50 points) half power bimbo (50 points) is kind of fun to be honest, and the AP bar reset chance along with gang bang discounts with a little alcohol/drug use make screwing the whole dungeon quite the show

 

this is how most scenes end up

[MSM_Alice]

@Mimirue17 Let me know if this version does a better job of guarding against problematic bimbo limbo session starts. 
Even has an MCM button in  the debug page to force reset bimbo limbo and free the player.
 

It should also, in theory, prevent extra points to be gifted  (via that pop-up) when the crafting menu is open now.
 

Made the bimbo school do a deeper reset of the CVTs, not just _Target ones, but also the _Instant values.
Maybe that also solves the mysterious level-up after school.

In theory can be upgraded mid-playthrough
But it might need more testing before the main page. 

MSMA_PRELUDE__RC2_0_8407.zip

Edited December 18, 2025 by MSM_Alice

[Mimirue17]

1 hour ago, MSM_Alice said:

@Mimirue17 Let me know if this version does a better job of guarding against problematic bimbo limbo session starts. 
Even has an MCM button in  the debug page to force reset bimbo limbo and free the player.
 

It should also, in theory, prevent extra points to be gifted  (via that pop-up) when the crafting menu is open now.
 

Made the bimbo school do a deeper reset of the CVTs, not just _Target ones, but also the _Instant values.
Maybe that also solves the mysterious level-up after school.

In theory can be upgraded mid-playthrough
But it might need more testing before the main page. 

MSMA_PRELUDE__RC2_0_8407.zip 124.94 MB · 0 downloads

I have a save not too long before the visit to Marina, school visit and bimbo level up shortly after.  Will test it on that 1st, but will go with a new game and some tweeks to settings to fully test it.

[Mimirue17]

10 hours ago, MSM_Alice said:

@Mimirue17 Let me know if this version does a better job of guarding against problematic bimbo limbo session starts. 
Even has an MCM button in  the debug page to force reset bimbo limbo and free the player.
 

It should also, in theory, prevent extra points to be gifted  (via that pop-up) when the crafting menu is open now.
 

Made the bimbo school do a deeper reset of the CVTs, not just _Target ones, but also the _Instant values.
Maybe that also solves the mysterious level-up after school.

In theory can be upgraded mid-playthrough
But it might need more testing before the main page. 

MSMA_PRELUDE__RC2_0_8407.zip 124.94 MB · 1 download

Have not had anything weird so far on the save - have not started a new game yet - probably run that tomorrow or this weekend.   Assuming nothing happens of course.

[MSM_Alice]

New test  version with some more fixes, and a lot of preliminary work in the scripts to make the mod work with an external HUD mod., that @Operand has been kindly building for MSMA, and I am trying to integrate.  

See here: 

https://www.loverslab.com/topic/245511-msma-sexfight-like-succubus-drain-and-bimbofication/page/98/#findComment-7198148

 

Edited December 18, 2025 by MSM_Alice

[MSM_Alice]

If you also want to try the HUD, remember: 

It is BETA
Has quirks, especially around Mind Health and Extra Pleasure indicators. 
 

• Will only work with the main mod version RC3_0.8500 and above.
• Requires HUD framework  HUDFramework at Fallout 4 Nexus - Mods and community
• only tested it on pre-NG so far
• If users have FallUI and/or DEF_HUD, they could have issues unless they follow the guide for HUD Framework
• On NG/AG some users reported issues about game crashing on HUD Framework; there are posts on the nexus in the official mod thread, with solutions on what to do - cannot attest to credibility there and if it works too
• HUD takes a while to initialize and during that time it could look funny (layers appearing on top of each other, appearing/disappearing widgets, etc) = players must wait till the message "setup is complete" and not touch MCM before that happens
• It might take a full first time init, then a quick save, a and a quick load to get all values correct.  A bit of wait will be required on each load until all values are correct. While the Hud is initialising any popup might break the hud flow, so until the hud is fully initialized, the MSMA scripts also should refuse to open any pop-ups (implant menu or anything along those lines).  

 

 

See here: 

https://www.loverslab.com/topic/245511-msma-sexfight-like-succubus-drain-and-bimbofication/page/98/#findComment-7198148

 

Edited December 18, 2025 by MSM_Alice