Advanced Nudity Detection

[NymphoElf]

@B3juc0 Can you try completely reinstalling the mod?

 

1) Remove AND keywords and clean master from your armor plugin, then completely remove AND from your game files:

• Advanced Nudity Detection.esp
• Advanced_Nudity_Detection.pex
• Advanced_Nudity_Detection_DebugMCM.pex
• Advanced_Nudity_Detection.psc
• Advanced_Nudity_Detection_DebugMCM.psc

 

2) Load your game and make a new save without AND installed

 

3) Use ReSaver to remove Unattached Instances and Undefined Elements and save as a new "cleaned" save.

 

4) Reinstall AND v0.2, re-add keywords, load game with "cleaned" save. See if issue persists.

 

Reason: I'm struggling to find anywhere in the code where the logic is broken, and when testing on my end with And_ArmorTop and AND_Thong keywords I get correct values. I even checked my GitHub code to see if there was anything there that I may have accidentally left and and then fixed unknowingly, but I didn't find any. I suspect there's an issue with updating from 0.1 to 0.2 with the scripts from 0.2 using global variables instead of local ones from 0.1. Removing the script instances and undefined elements should fix this issue when the script re-initializes when re-installed.

 

If following these steps does not fix the issue, please send me a copy of your Advanced Nudity Detection plugin, the plugin that your armor is from, and the AND scripts currently in your game folder (Advanced_Nudity_Detection.pex & .psc | Advanced_Nudity_Detection_DebugMCM.pex & .psc). In this case, I will need to take a deeper look to try to see what the issue is.

Edited June 14, 2024 by NymphoElf

[B3juc0]

Ok, I finished redoing everything. You are correct about the scripts, because now is putting the right factions on the same outfit set up. I left a few armor with SOS_revealing and some without just to see if it was a keyword conflict but is not.  Thanks!

[NymphoElf]

[kaydens1234]

So just to confirm downloading this right now does nothing?

[NymphoElf]

6 minutes ago, kaydens1234 said:

So just to confirm downloading this right now does nothing?

 

Correct. I'm currently working with Sexy Adventures's author to get it implemented into that mod, but I cannot give any estimates on when that would be ready. I also spoke with the author of OSL Aroused briefly, and he said he'll take a look at implementing my mod into OSL Aroused, but I haven't heard back on that yet.

 

However, I appreciate any testing the community is willing to give me for the system right now to iron out any issues that may be present.

Edited June 14, 2024 by NymphoElf

[skyrim482]

16 hours ago, NymphoElf said:

 

Correct. I'm currently working with Sexy Adventures's author to get it implemented into that mod, but I cannot give any estimates on when that would be ready. I also spoke with the author of OSL Aroused briefly, and he said he'll take a look at implementing my mod into OSL Aroused, but I haven't heard back on that yet.

 

However, I appreciate any testing the community is willing to give me for the system right now to iron out any issues that may be present.

Thank you for your work, hopefully we can get some optional intergration with arousal and other mods. That has been my biggest thing with arousal was it wasnt dynamic enough. Your basiclly tottally naked or covered in most cases. This would be a great impovement.

[NymphoElf]

Sexy Adventures 0.7.0 now supports Advanced Nudity Detection! Hooray!

 

You MUST use AND 0.4 or later for this support to work. Otherwise the necessary data will likely not properly pass to Sexy Adventures.

 

AND unlocks expanded law options in Sexy Adventures, but be careful not to enable contradictory laws (aka, a combination that is logically impossible to follow).

[DewyCave]

I use Ghaans Revealing Outfits and I want to make a KID file for them. Since it's a replacer, I should add the keywords to the armors in skyrim.esm, right?

That seems kinda tedious so I have a new level of appreciation for your work after seeing how organized your TAWOBA file is lol

[NymphoElf]

15 hours ago, DewyCave said:

I use Ghaans Revealing Outfits and I want to make a KID file for them. Since it's a replacer, I should add the keywords to the armors in skyrim.esm, right?

That seems kinda tedious so I have a new level of appreciation for your work after seeing how organized your TAWOBA file is lol

Correct. You'll have to assign them one by one. Not much can be done about it until you finish the KID file. Then you can just spot tweak.

[Dez65]

Please excuse the newbie questions below.  

 

I installed the laterst version on an existing save (no previous version having been installed) and it seems to detect when the character is nude, but shows her clothed even with some of the essentially nude straps she typically wears equipped.  I'm inferring from that that I need to add this mods' keywords to those clothes using xEdit as I did with the Baka keywords?

 

 For example, I'd like to have the straps supplied by this mod - DX Fetish Fashion Volume 1 SE CBBE - 3BA - BHUNP at Skyrim Special Edition Nexus - Mods and Community (nexusmods.com) - be essentially detected as naked since the straps really cover nothing.  My PC also wears the Lewd version of a thong from this mod - Obi's Casual Outfit 2K 3BA SMP at Skyrim Special Edition Nexus - Mods and Community (nexusmods.com), which exposes the genitals.  Which keywords would be most appropriate here?

 

I also am using BD's Armor and Clothes Replacer - CBBE 3BA (3BBB) at Skyrim Special Edition Nexus - Mods and Community (nexusmods.com) to make some vanilla clothing either revealing or invisible with BodySlide.  For example, I've made the Arch-Mage's robes invisible so that it can't be seen when the PC wears it with the DX Fetish Fashion straps.  Do I have to add keywords to a base game plug in for the robes and, if so, which ones since it is completely invisible.  Also, my experience is that keywords can't be added directly to base game plugins so would I have to make a patch by copying the archmage's robes record as override into a new plugin and then add the keywords?

 

Finally, do I have to clear all of the Baka keywords from my plug ins in order to use this mod or can they be left there?  I saw on the description that AND can recognize some of them, which suggests that I can just leave them all in place to work so that Baka's mods continue.  Have I got that right?

 

I've been using Sexy Adventures for a while and am excited to get this working.  On that, even when I installed this mod and the MCM initialized, the new crimes in SA that require AND were still grayed out.  I've asked about this on the SA site but if you know what I've done wrong, please advise.

 

Thanks for any tips on the foregoing and thank you for your hard work on this excellent mod. 

[DewyCave]

On 7/2/2024 at 5:45 PM, NymphoElf said:

Correct. You'll have to assign them one by one.

I have another question, do I have to make a separate entry for each one of these?

Spoiler

Or is there a way to make only one apply to all? I think it might be the Template one, but I'm not sure, I've never done this kind of thing beore

Edited July 4, 2024 by DewyCave

[DewyCave]

I believe this will do it:

Keyword = AND_Miniskirt|Armor|*Apprentice Robes+Skyrim.esm

[NymphoElf]

@DewyCave

@Dez65

I will respond as soon as I can tomorrow. I'm away from my computer celebrating July 4th.

 

I want to make sure I give you the best information/explanation that I can.

[DewyCave]

5 hours ago, NymphoElf said:

I will respond as soon as I can tomorrow. I'm away from my computer celebrating July 4th

Have a good time!

 

I think I got the file to work, but I probably did it the hard way, took me almost 2 hours lol

I can share it if anyone is interested

 

There's one unrelated thing I didn't understand. When using a TAWOBA thong I'm not getting the visible underwear even when not wearing anything else. I can see in the MCM it recognizes it as a thong, I even added AND_Underwear as well, as a test, but it always says underwear is "not visible"

[Dez65]

13 hours ago, NymphoElf said:

 

I want to make sure I give you the best information/explanation that I can

Thanks so much!

 

I believe I've answered the main question for myself already.  Yes, just as with Baka keywords, AND needs to be added as master for any clothing mod you want it to detect and then appropriate keywords need to be added to the armor/clothing pieces.

 

 

Now I'm experimenting with which keywords achieve the effects I want.  A screen shot of my PC's main outfit is in the spoiler.  As noted, she is also wearing the Archmage Robe, but it is invisible.  Note she's also wearing Thigh High stockings.

 

I think that I want her to be a part of the following factions when she wears all of  this outfit:

 

Showing Chest

Showing Ass

Showing Genitals

 

She isn't technically Nude, so I want to make sure when she's wearing everything, she isn't considered nude.  However, she is wearing piercings so when she is wearing only piercings or only the invisible ArchMage Robe or only the Thigh High Stockings (or all three), I want her to be Nude and Showing Chest, Ass and Genitals.

 

I think I've got a handle on adding the keywords but I'm still experimenting on which will achieve the foregoing faction status.  Any suggestions on that would be great!

 

Also, I copied the ArchMage Robes records from the base plugin into a override with overwrite and added some keywords to that but I don't think I add the right ones for it to be invisible so that she is a member of the Nude, Showing Chest, Showing Ass and Showing Genitals faction when she's wearing only the invisible robe.  Any suggestions on that are appreciated!

 

I'm awed with what you've achieved with this mod!

 

Spoiler

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[Dez65]

44 minutes ago, Dez65 said:

Showing Chest

Showing Ass

Showing Genitals

I think I figured out the right keywords to apply to straps, lewd panties and piercings to achieve the foregoing factions.  Realized that stockings need no keywords.  Also, some BAKA keywords need to be removed (SLA_ArmorHalfNaked, e.g.), I think or they will affect the faction status.

 

Still having trouble applying the keywords to the replaced vanilla Archmage's Robe.  Back to the drawing board on that but let me know if you have any advice.

[Dez65]

46 minutes ago, Dez65 said:

Still having trouble applying the keywords to the replaced vanilla Archmage's Robe.  Back to the drawing board on that but let me know if you have any advice.

Woo hoo!  Success!  The Archmage robe provides no cover using AND_ArmorTop_NoCover and AND_ArmorBottom_NoCover.  The PC is not technically nude because of the straps, panties and the robe, but she's showing Chest, Ass and Genitals.  Turns out there was more than one Archmage Robe in my load order and I was copying the wrong one into the override.

 

Now to play with this a bit along with Sexy Adventures!

[NymphoElf]

16 hours ago, DewyCave said:

When using a TAWOBA thong I'm not getting the visible underwear even when not wearing anything else. I can see in the MCM it recognizes it as a thong, I even added AND_Underwear as well, as a test, but it always says underwear is "not visible"

 

Are there any Baka Keywords being recognized? SLA_ArmorPartBottom will override any Thong keywords and treat it as if your underwear is covered.

 

  

16 hours ago, DewyCave said:

I think I got the file to work, but I probably did it the hard way, took me almost 2 hours lol

I can share it if anyone is interested

 

What did you do? I personally recommend using Keyword Item Distributor and then downloading my TAWOBA_KID file (and editing that to your liking).

Edited July 5, 2024 by NymphoElf

[NymphoElf]

@Dez65 Seems you've figured out what you wanted to accomplish, but I'll try to answer some of your questions anyways.

 

On 7/4/2024 at 8:48 AM, Dez65 said:

Do I have to add keywords to a base game plug in

 

You have two options:

1) You can make AND a master of the plugin with your modded armor, then add the keywords to the armor in xEdit

2) You can use Keyword Item Distributor and create your own KID file. Please see the KID files I added on the mod's description page as a reference.

 

Personally, I recommend using KID. If you ever stop using a mod, you don't need to make any changes to your load order or clean masters. If a mod or certain keywords are not found, they are just skipped. Plus, since you can't make changes to vanilla armor with option 1, KID allows you to use vanilla armor replacers that don't have their own plugins (such as Ghaan's Revealing Outfits) with AND's/Baka's keywords without issues.

 

It will take a bit of trial and error to get things working with KID. The mod's description page doesn't explain every possible option or scenario, but with enough patience it's worth it. Plus, you can just tweak things in the KID file as necessary when you need to without the potential of accidentally breaking something within the plugin you want to add keywords to.

 

7 hours ago, Dez65 said:

I copied the ArchMage Robes records from the base plugin into a override with overwrite and added some keywords to that but I don't think I add the right ones for it to be invisible so that she is a member of the Nude, Showing Chest, Showing Ass and Showing Genitals faction when she's wearing only the invisible robe.  Any suggestions on that are appreciated!

 

I recommend using the "Effectively Naked" keyword. This will allow your character to be nude with that armor worn. This keyword really just tells the mod "Hey, this isn't a vanilla armor" - so as long as no other keywords tell AND that it's more modest than it should be, and as long as you're not wearing anything else that has more modest keywords, then you'll be fine.

 

Remember: in AND, modesty overrules lewdness. This is the only way the logic can retain any form of consistency without being an unoptimized and bloated mess in the code. 

 

7 hours ago, Dez65 said:

I'm awed with what you've achieved with this mod!

 

Edited July 5, 2024 by NymphoElf

[DewyCave]

2 hours ago, NymphoElf said:

Are there any Baka Keywords being recognized? SLA_ArmorPartBottom will override any Thong keywords and treat it as if your underwear is covered

Yes, that is it. Is there a way to make it work without removing the keyword? If not that's ok, I'm not really using underwear rules in Sexy Adventures.

 

2 hours ago, NymphoElf said:

What did you do? I personally recommend using Keyword Item Distributor and then downloading my TAWOBA_KID file (and editing that to your liking)

I did that, but I kinda went one by one of Ghaans outfits in BodySlide, choosing the best keywords for each and checking the proper names on zEdit.

[NymphoElf]

8 minutes ago, DewyCave said:

Is there a way to make it work without removing the keyword?

 

I'm currently working on adding an option to Ignore Baka's Keywords. Once I confirm it's working, it'll be in the 0.5 update

[bandetlol]

Idea:

 

How about make flashing happen more frequently or increase the chance while you are running/walking/sprinting?

[Dez65]

14 hours ago, NymphoElf said:

I recommend using the "Effectively Naked" keyword.

That worked perfectly for my invisible ArchMage's Robe!

 

What do you recommend for body piercings (nipple, navel, labia)?  I was using AND_Underwear_NoCover, which worked fine except that it triggers Showing Underwear faction.  Going to try Effectively Naked now, although I understand that only nudifies (is that a word?) armor/clothing occupying slot 32.

 

 

Having so much fun with this mod!

Edited July 6, 2024 by Dez65

[NymphoElf]

36 minutes ago, bandetlol said:

How about make flashing happen more frequently or increase the chance while you are running/walking/sprinting?

 

Maybe. It depends on how I can capture the player's motion state. I don't know how to do that right now, but I'll do some research in the future in case I can work something out. For now, I would recommend potentially bumping up the odds a bit if the frequency of flashing is too low.

 

I could possibly add a config option to let the player decide how often they want the mod to check their armor. The mod has to check EVERYTHING to get a proper reading, not just the flashing states. It does that very quickly as it currently stands, but adding faster/more frequent checks could lead to stacked checks and possibly cause issues.

 

The idea isn't entirely off the table, I'm just sharing my initial thoughts and concerns.

 

21 minutes ago, Dez65 said:

What do you recommend for body piercings (nipple, navel, labia)?

 

Honestly, I don't see any point in adding keywords to those. I'm not aware of any piercings using Slot 32, so there should be no concern of it being treated as a vanilla armor. Plus, just in my opinion, piercings should never have any impact on your nudity state. If you're just wearing piercings, you're still naked, you're just being flashy about it. It's not like they "cover" anything.

 

To clarify, you shouldn't need to add anything to piercings. They aren't looked for in the mod, and they're unlikely to cause problems. In fact, adding any keywords to them are likely to CAUSE problems/inconsistencies than not (as you pointed out by using the underwear keywords). You COULD use "Effectively Naked" but there would be no point because the effect would be the same without that keyword.

Edited July 6, 2024 by NymphoElf

[Dez65]

2 hours ago, Dez65 said:

Going to try Effectively Naked now, although I understand that only nudifies (is that a word?) armor/clothing occupying slot 32.

Effectively Naked worked for piercings!  This is so cool!