Latex Collar, Orgasm Curse and Fetish Dreams

[kziitd]

On 9/16/2024 at 6:03 AM, awesomeSPAS said:

 

Ah, I looked at Combat Stalkers and it definitely can be a problem during dreams with hostiles (to extent). If it spawn a lot of enemies they can do some damage while papyrus is trying to detect them all and pacify. Good news I think it will be pretty easy to do compatibility patch, i will look into this. For now i recommend to disable  stalker spawning and patrol spawning. I think you can do it with holotape they give you

 

As for not being able to draw a weapon/fists I have no good ideas why it can happen. Shot in the dark - try to disable KFT amputation devices (set probability to 0), I dont understand how those amputation devices work exactly, and since no other mods are using them to my knowledge I will not be surprised if ego did not have enough data/time spent to test them thoroughly. I had some problems after unequipping them, not too often though. Other than that - not sure. Yes also when I manually exit AAF I hit "blocked controls issue" quite often.  I'll keep eyes open, may be I will face it during some testing.

 

 

KFT's amputation content was not made by the chemistry bench like other content simply because the "immersion process" associated with it has not been thought out yet. Obviously, it should not be like other equipment, take it off, wow, the limbs are back.
Other than that, everything is the same as other KFT content: locked functions, MT animations, etc.

[serui]

17 hours ago, awesomeSPAS said:

 

Thank you for feedback!

Answers above

 

The conflicting item appears to be from DX Fetish 2.

 

Particularly, the Wild Dream Belly Piercing has some odd behaviour. After loading and after LCC check, the Belly Piercing will be unequipped I will get a prompt that the clothes are uncomfortable. Somehow, equipping this particular item will make it comfortable again. 

 

Additional details are, I've observed this when the character has a KFT harness. glove and boots. 

[awesomeSPAS]

14 hours ago, serui said:

 

The conflicting item appears to be from DX Fetish 2.

 

Particularly, the Wild Dream Belly Piercing has some odd behaviour. After loading and after LCC check, the Belly Piercing will be unequipped I will get a prompt that the clothes are uncomfortable. Somehow, equipping this particular item will make it comfortable again. 

 

Additional details are, I've observed this when the character has a KFT harness. glove and boots. 

 

Thank you, can this piercing be equipped together with harness? Meaning they use different slots?

[Warm Fricks]

On 9/14/2024 at 7:15 PM, awesomeSPAS said:

 

Well, if you still have this issue i can take a look at papyrus script, LCC_AM is one for this manager.

I'm still having the issue so I'd appreciate that! Is there anything else you need from me?

[awesomeSPAS]

2 hours ago, Warm Fricks said:

I'm still having the issue so I'd appreciate that! Is there anything else you need from me?

 

If you can turn on LCC logging (in MCM LCC Debug section), reproduce the issue and send me papyrus log and all logs that start with LCC (in user folder) i can take a look

[JB.]

On 9/15/2024 at 6:03 PM, awesomeSPAS said:

As for not being able to draw a weapon/fists I have no good ideas why it can happen.

Hey, @awesomeSPAS! Whenever one mod imposes measures on you (no running, no drawing weapons, no VATS, etc) you can type DIEL in the console and you will see which mods are affecting your character. You delete it with RIEL + layer ID. 

 

Here, I didn't know it was your mod by then. 😜

 

 

Edited September 20, 2024 by JB.

[izzyknows]

5 hours ago, JB. said:

Hey, @awesomeSPAS! Whenever one mod imposes measures on you (no running, no drawing weapons, no VATS, etc) you can type DIEL in the console and you will see which mods are affecting your character. You delete it with RIEL + layer ID. 

 

Here, I didn't know it was your mod by then. 😜

 

 

In my case it was a AAF issue an not a stuck layer.

But yea diel is the first go to for restricted whatever. Surprising how common stuck layers are, even vanilla ones.

[serui]

On 9/19/2024 at 11:15 AM, awesomeSPAS said:

 

Thank you, can this piercing be equipped together with harness? Meaning they use different slots?

I'm not sure what slot the harness uses, but the piercing uses slot 51. But you may be right that it's related to the slot.

 

With a different costume and only with a collar and gloves, the issue is coming up again. This time, it is with Fetish Set 1, Fire your Desire Earrings also using slot 51. Though there is a secondary item from the same set, Top Strap that uses Slot 55.

 

I haven't encountered the issue from other sets of clothes.

 

 

[awesomeSPAS]

On 9/19/2024 at 2:49 PM, JB. said:

Hey, @awesomeSPAS! Whenever one mod imposes measures on you (no running, no drawing weapons, no VATS, etc) you can type DIEL in the console and you will see which mods are affecting your character. You delete it with RIEL + layer ID. 

 

Here, I didn't know it was your mod by then. 😜

 

 

 

Thanks JB, yes cursed outfits is first version and I already found a way to reproduce this particular issue, this one is solved in next unreleased version. DIEL RIEL - very useful commands!

[awesomeSPAS]

On 9/16/2024 at 2:57 PM, awesomeSPAS said:

 

MCM has option to remove cursed items (latex items) and outfit items (use right options).

I checked the code and it may be a problem when you run remove SAKR Outfit in MCM while having no run penalty. First you have to unequip whatever you wearing so you can run again. Then command should work properly. I added safety check in next version to avoid that.

 

If you stuck with no ability to run after using MCM command unfortunately you have to reload to before you run the MCM command. Again it is fixed in next (non-released version)

 

Or use DIEL RIEL commands as mentioned above

[awesomeSPAS]

18 hours ago, serui said:

I'm not sure what slot the harness uses, but the piercing uses slot 51. But you may be right that it's related to the slot.

 

With a different costume and only with a collar and gloves, the issue is coming up again. This time, it is with Fetish Set 1, Fire your Desire Earrings also using slot 51. Though there is a secondary item from the same set, Top Strap that uses Slot 55.

 

I haven't encountered the issue from other sets of clothes.

 

 

 

I am thinking that you may have a mod that is trying to auto-equip something to the same slot, may be cum suit, particles or something else. It may not be visible in inventory if item has no name. So if a mod is equipping the item to this slot LCC thinks its an armor (if i don't have it in my exceptions list). When you equip the actual item from outfit the invisible item is unequipped and you are compliant again. If you can figure out what this item is and from what mod i can add to my exception list.

[awesomeSPAS]

20 hours ago, izzyknows said:

In my case it was a AAF issue an not a stuck layer.

But yea diel is the first go to for restricted whatever. Surprising how common stuck layers are, even vanilla ones.

 

Yes it looks like when magic effects are dispelled they are NOT removing layers they applied, so you have to remember to remove those layers in OnEffectFinish() function. This is error-prone design imho

Edited September 20, 2024 by awesomeSPAS

[angrykiwi]

Question about dreams, are there any other triggers that activate them? I've had a few cases where it would give me one even though arousal was at 0 at the time of going to bed.
Here's my log but there is nothing to gain from there.

LCC.0.log

[awesomeSPAS]

2 hours ago, angrykiwi said:

Question about dreams, are there any other triggers that activate them? I've had a few cases where it would give me one even though arousal was at 0 at the time of going to bed.
Here's my log but there is nothing to gain from there.

LCC.0.log 4.8 kB · 0 downloads

 

Yes if Trauma is 4 or 5

[serui]

4 hours ago, awesomeSPAS said:

 

I am thinking that you may have a mod that is trying to auto-equip something to the same slot, may be cum suit, particles or something else. It may not be visible in inventory if item has no name. So if a mod is equipping the item to this slot LCC thinks its an armor (if i don't have it in my exceptions list). When you equip the actual item from outfit the invisible item is unequipped and you are compliant again. If you can figure out what this item is and from what mod i can add to my exception list.

I think I found it. Commoisturizer has a suit that uses slot 51 - FormID 868

 

Well, for now, I switch the slots of the offending items. I'll update you if it still comes up. Thank you!

[awesomeSPAS]

1 hour ago, serui said:

I think I found it. Commoisturizer has a suit that uses slot 51 - FormID 868

 

Well, for now, I switch the slots of the offending items. I'll update you if it still comes up. Thank you!

Yes, thank you, I will add them to my exception list, I checked and i only have slot 61 added to exception list, will add all others

[awesomeSPAS]

1.26 Release Notes Preview - Currently Testing

 

NEW: Stuck in Dream Feature.

 New type of dream. It will be difficult to wake up. You will be able to wonder around in the dream, trying to escape form it and make yourself to wake up. 3 possible ways to escape:
   - get them use you till you wake up
   - try to run away
   - have enough orgasms during the dream to get out of this trance.
 MCM-Configurable Complexity
 Bad-End Animation is strongly recommended

 

- NEW: Slave to Fashion Perk - Nora feels empowered in her cursed outfits, able to lift considerably more weight. MCM Up to +200 Carry-Weight. @Krazyone
- FIX: you could get stuck with no ability to run if use "remove SAKR Outfit" in MCM while having no-run penalty. Added safety check to avoid that. @IWWccca
- FIX: There was a situation when BLTC Visual Effects may get turned off after Dreams @deathmorph
- FIX: Colored Dreams Chance is now working properly @izzyknows
- COMPATIBILITY: ComMoisturizer suits will not be slowing down player when it has cursed outfit. Previously only slot61 was supported @serui
- COMPATIBILITY: SKKCombatStalkers.esp will not spawn enemies during dreams @deathmorph
- IMPROVEMENT: Some additional changes for pacification during dreams. Pacification algorithm was slow therefore more fighting was experienced in dreams
- IMPROVEMENT: Doubled radius of PEACE bubble during dreams
- Minor stability and logging improvements

Edited September 21, 2024 by awesomeSPAS

[angrykiwi]

7 hours ago, awesomeSPAS said:

 

Yes if Trauma is 4 or 5

Ah, that makes sense, thanks!
But wouldn't it reset traumas expiration timer? 

[izzyknows]

8 hours ago, awesomeSPAS said:

1.26 Release Notes Preview - Currently Testing

Something I noticed was that the Sex Level doesn't increase but the Sex Reputation does.

Haven't had much time to play, but IIRC the Sex Level wouldn't increase even with SH events.

 

New stuff is looking interesting btw!

 

[awesomeSPAS]

13 hours ago, angrykiwi said:

Ah, that makes sense, thanks!
But wouldn't it reset traumas expiration timer? 

 

This is excellent point.

 

Even though technically not a bug, and I can say that bad dream definitely can cause trauma, player may end up with constant trauma if trauma timer will not expire before player goes to sleep. This is too punishing (so it means in 1.25 player forced not to go to sleep until heals trauma, because after dream rape trauma timer will start over )

 

 I decided to add to 1.26: - FIX: Trauma Timer will not be reset during dreams @angrykiwi

Edited September 21, 2024 by awesomeSPAS

[awesomeSPAS]

9 hours ago, izzyknows said:

Something I noticed was that the Sex Level doesn't increase but the Sex Reputation does.

Haven't had much time to play, but IIRC the Sex Level wouldn't increase even with SH events.

 

According to SA source code Sex Level increases only if player orgasms at least once during consensual sex. Please Do a test: make player to orgasm during CONSENSUAL sex and let me know if there are no changes. LCC is touching Sex Level only during dreams, what it does it save value before Dream and Restore it after. In no way LCC can prevent Sex Level to increase outside of dreams. To my knowledge :))))

[angrykiwi]

7 minutes ago, awesomeSPAS said:

 

This is excellent point.

 

Even though technically not a bug, and I can say that bad dream definitely can cause trauma, player may end up with constant trauma if trauma timer will not expire before player goes to sleep. This is too punishing (so it means in 1.25 player forced not to go to sleep until heals trauma, because after dream rape trauma timer will start over )

 

 I decided to add to 1.26: - FIX: Trauma Timer will not be reset during dreams @angrykiwi

 Hm, maybe make it so that there is a chance for a bad dream while traumatized? Or perhaps even have it so that the longer you are awake after traumatizing event- the less of a chance for you to have a bad dream.

 Also have had an idea: while traumatized, all bad dreams would always have bad end animations and/or amputee suits equipped.

[awesomeSPAS]

2 hours ago, angrykiwi said:

 Hm, maybe make it so that there is a chance for a bad dream while traumatized? Or perhaps even have it so that the longer you are awake after traumatizing event- the less of a chance for you to have a bad dream.

 Also have had an idea: while traumatized, all bad dreams would always have bad end animations and/or amputee suits equipped.

Yes all is possible, for now i use Trauma as a dream trigger. What will happen in a dream does not depend on level of Trauma. There is a thought to have trauma dreams with actors that made the trauma in the past May be next feature

[serui]

3 hours ago, awesomeSPAS said:

 

According to SA source code Sex Level increases only if player orgasms at least once during consensual sex. Please Do a test: make player to orgasm during CONSENSUAL sex and let me know if there are no changes. LCC is touching Sex Level only during dreams, what it does it save value before Dream and Restore it after. In no way LCC can prevent Sex Level to increase outside of dreams. To my knowledge :))))

There is a secondary condition for sex levels. When the character has low esteem/spirit, they can gain levels from non-consensual. I also noticed the same effect but I think it is tied to higher difficulty setting of the collar. At easy, it seems unaffected.

 

I have also observed that when sex levels "worsens" from collar attribute lost, it doesn't increase/decrease for me. 

 

But these are all anecdotal

 

 

 

 

[sicero189]

Mostly unrelated but tao’s catsuits bricks the scanning for sakr outfits. Don’t know why I had it installed, it’s been outdated for a bit.

 

To anyone else having issues with scan not showing up in the console or the pop up in MCM saying “scanning light plungins. 20 of 23” or whatever numbers, it seems to mean that one of your clothing mods broke the scan. Look through logs or enable and disable mods until it works.