t3589 Posted January 29, 2014 Author Posted January 29, 2014 Yes when you interact with him you should walk. It's required for certain stats to process, and if you never walk, you'll not get very far with them. Let's say you do an activity with them. In order for that activity to be added to their stats you must walk near them. If you don't, those stats won't get added until you do and remain there waiting for you to calm down and interact with him. Which means you're probably getting a 'massive burst' of pent up stat adjustments all at once when you finally do walk. Which would explain approach message going off like crazy. EDIT: Of course I should add that I don't know that's what is causing it for certain. Just a hunch. If walking during activities/dates doesn't remedy it let me know and we'll dig deeper.
t3589 Posted January 29, 2014 Author Posted January 29, 2014 @CK: About pay scale. Did you agree to work for the Kings? Because I'm not sure I mentioned it, but if you work for any of the gangs (and later pimps), you are getting paid at * 0.25 your actual rate. Maybe that's what needs adjusting?
ChancellorKremlin Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 I'm fairly sure I was. I never managed to approach Dixon about pimping. I'll have to re-check all my levels and values to get you any figures now, as I think I'm a version or two out of date as I haven't been able to test anything today.
t3589 Posted January 29, 2014 Author Posted January 29, 2014 I'm fairly sure I was. I never managed to approach Dixon about pimping. I'll have to re-check all my levels and values to get you any figures now, as I think I'm a version or two out of date as I haven't been able to test anything today. Right on. No worries. I just noticed while testing and forgot about it myself and was pulling my hair out wondering why I was getting paid so little, then it dawned on me. The damn gang is taking most of my profit!
nyaalich Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 In TTW, FO3 companions have been added to the NPCFollowersLIST list. That is a way that you could check. However, don't know how custom companions handle that or the other factions. Bits and pieces: From the FO3 Followers quest script, it uses variables [NPC]hired and [NPC]fired (e.g., CharonHired and CharonFired). When they've waited too long for you, the auto-fire quest has the following resets: CharonREF.SetFactionRank TeammateFaction -1 CharonREF.RemoveFromFaction FollowerFaction CharonREF.SetPlayerTeammate 0 Looking at the VNPCFollowersQuest script (the one for NV NPCs), you get different factions including one that's removed from the player. Variables include b[NPC]HIred and b[NPC]Fired (bBooneHired, etc.). CraigBooneREF.SetPlayerTeammate 0 CraigBooneREF.removeperk CompanionSuite player.removeperk Spotting Player.RemoveFromFaction VBooneFaction; CraigBooneREF.RemoveFromFaction FollowerFaction I don't know why Boone gets his own faction (anti-Legion?). Veronica and Arcade don't have their own factions.
t3589 Posted January 30, 2014 Author Posted January 30, 2014 Update posted in the OP. Added the Venus drug. Tested it out already a bit, works fairly well for me so far. For the time being I set it to give you 3 doses, just put on a prostitute outfit. I still need to add the recipe. I'd love to hear any ideas on what the ingredients should be? I've also factored in charisma, prostitute level, and experience into pay scale. @ nyaallich : really I just need to know if they're following you, not necessarily a companion. I saw you saw prides post on the matter. I'll be trying a few things here shortly. Stay tuned. EDIT: Figured out the door situation at the wrangler. Once you begin the debt collector quest it locks that door to the private room. Once you complete Francines final quest dealing with McCaffery, that room becomes player owned.
ChancellorKremlin Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 Haven't had much luck with the latest version. Installed it over the previous one, got a lot of refusals from "regulars" (the whole looked better from over there and so forth) but besides them nobody in Freeside would solicit me. I'm 26 appeal, Bride of the Wastes, 8 Charisma. Finally got a gambler by the North Gate to approach me, but only got 19 caps for a "lay" which still seems far too low given my prostitute level, appeal and charisma. Went to the Atomic Wrangler and nobody approached me. Went to GS, and a settler paid me one bottle of whiskey for a lay, which again is pretty low. Got a permit to do the deeds in NCR territoriy, got very little solicitations, and when I did, I didn't get paid anything. No option to talk to them after sex presented itself. I think something is broken. - I had no idea about that room ever becoming a player "home" so to speak. I always did wonder why it was a separate cell.
nyaalich Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 Wasn't there going to be an "out of my league/costs too much for me" deal with soliciting? I don't know if that's been implemented yet. EDIT: From Change Log: 2014-02-06: - added test NPC level 'after action' affordability modifier (NPCs are capped at Lvl restricted maximum payout). - added test NPC level 'before action' affordability factor (level based ignore). EDIT EDIT: You don't even want to know what you have to do for Trudy to get a bottle of whiskey. That was one guy's nest egg.
t3589 Posted January 30, 2014 Author Posted January 30, 2014 No there's a problem somewhere. Working on it now. Reverting the OP. EDIT: Uploaded latest. I have no clue what happened. It must not have liked something I did. I reverted to an earlier save and everything was normal, I also went back to a clean save and it worked there also. The save I reverted to wasn't very far back.
t3589 Posted January 30, 2014 Author Posted January 30, 2014 OK I've uploaded the next one to the changelog post for a test copy. I'll work with that one from now on and move it to the OP after a spell. Should make it easier with my obsessive updating repeatedly. I'm not sure what was wrong with 08, but that was when I added female NPC placeholders so I could get veronica as a companion and do some companion testing. Weird. Anyhow you're free to test out gay relationships with female NPCs now. There's only a few in the list currently. I removed Cass from the Bi list. You can get her drunk and sleep with her as a female PC though. You have to beat her at the drinking contest, it has to be after midnight, she has to have been drinking, then the dialogue should display (untested). Just finished testing 10 by working at the wrangler, going up on stage, eating a venus, and vee-ola, instant patrons. Only one guy got up to clap for me though. EDIT: I think I've figured out a way to set pay scale straight once and for all. It's a little more complex than what's there now. Will take me a few. Stay tuned.
nyaalich Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 T: Where do you have the "Activity over" dialogue in the GECK for hanging out and meals? Are they handled any differently than during activity small talk or in post-sex dialogue? I've been trying to track down the source of my freezes. It took some time getting there, but there's some problem between TTW and DRL for hanging out and eating. Small talk in the middle = fine. I wasn't able to come up with any helpful info in FNVEdit.
t3589 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Posted January 31, 2014 T: Where do you have the "Activity over" dialogue in the GECK for hanging out and meals? Are they handled any differently than during activity small talk or in post-sex dialogue? I've been trying to track down the source of my freezes. It took some time getting there, but there's some problem between TTW and DRL for hanging out and eating. Small talk in the middle = fine. I wasn't able to come up with any helpful info in FNVEdit. I'll disable them again temporarily in the WIP copy posted to the second post here shortly. If it goes away I'll know what I need to work on. Uno momento.
t3589 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Posted January 31, 2014 Sorry to be such a pain in the ass. : \ lol Don't sweat it. If I didn't enjoy this I wouldn't be doing it. We'll get it worked out.
t3589 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Posted January 31, 2014 Updated. Hopefully this one is stable enough to start a second copy. I've implemented a new idea for pay scale. I guess you could call it 'pimp level'. Instead of taking from your profits, now they act as a house menu. If you freelance, you make the old pay scale based on experience/lvl. But now if you get hired somewhere you get to charge more, because the house has a standardized price menu. So far gangs give you +20 base, and the Wrangler gives you +40 base. @nyaallich: try the new one and see if that works. I didn't disable the ending dialogue, I just rearranged the activity processing sequence in the tracker. Shouldn't freeze now. If that doesn't work I'll open up 11 in that second post for us to start working with.
ChancellorKremlin Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 OK, tried version 201402010a. Got pretty much the same issues I got with the previous version. Got lots of "people are staring at your legs/ass" comments, but almost no solicitations other than regulars. 100% of the time, I'd ask a regular to follow me and he would get there, then say I looked better from over there. Went into the Atomic Wrangler, lots of looks, no solicitations. Went on stage, took the drug, did a dance. Nothing. Not even a clap. Finally, upstairs, a non-regular solicited me. Did the deed, didn't get paid, spoke to him, had no option for payment. Appeal is 30, Charisma was 10, level Bride of the Wastes. Also, I get the options with the tick boxes in the quest stages (like work for Wrangler, Work for Kings, etc) - but what do I do if in that save I was already working for them anyway? Shouldn't those boxes already be ticked? Maybe for testing purposes there should be a "I'm going to stop working for you" option. I'm going to try again with a completely "clean" save and see what happens to be sure. EDIT: Mixed results. Got more solicitations starting from a character from scratch, appeal 22 and charisma 8, but obviously level 1 prostitute. Venus drug seems to have worked, went on stage, danced, about 5 people clapped, and got 1 solicitation a bit later. Still not getting paid though. Also got a "they're coming for you" message and Dixon approached me - first time that happened, no idea if its a rape thing or what, as I submitted and he basically said he would have nothing to do with me. The "follow me" package seemed to work this time though. I'm wondering if something on my other save has borked or if maybe something about the level of prostitution I'm at in that save, or maybe the number of existing clients, is affecting something? I really don't want to have to do the whole thing again if it bugs out later lol
nyaalich Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 It works now - said in a tone of awe and quiet reverence.
nyaalich Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 I'm using SO Clothing Eval, and I think some of the dialogue may be bleeding through from yours to it as of v10. Randomly being told "Hey. Go do that somewhere else" or "Hey boys, watch this" or "The lady's mine" while just running around (running or walking). I don't know if all of those are from DRL (some seemed like they would be from an assault part and/or with the "next" mechanic), but I'm pretty sure "Do that somewhere else" is from here. You have anything weird happening like that, Krem? EDIT: FWIW, I'm wearing a dress that is marked as both pretty and sexy, and I realize that Eval isn't your mod.
ChancellorKremlin Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 Yeah, that's been happening to me for a while, I just assumed they were normal "flirt" dialogue from Eval. Didn't get the "Do that somewhere else." bit though. What has happened once or twice is I get a whistle sound like a "You've got someone's attention" only I don't get the message, and nobody comes after me like is supposed to happen when it occurs properly.
t3589 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Posted January 31, 2014 I think that's 'Check Me Out' that prints and says the sayto dialogues you're talking about actiually, which in turn is getting how you look from Clothing Eval. Check Me Out will make them whistle sometimes, and it's the same whistle as the one I use. Those 'work for' options are displayed to let you know who you're currently affilitated with. Once you affiliate with someone else, they will change to completed. If you come back to work for them again, the option will change back to incompleted. If you have more than one displaying incomplete, that means you're able to work for both. So it's meant as a 'I'm currently working for' indicator which is why it seems backwards. However, you won't get paid the establishment rates unless you're working inside the establishment. So if I let's say, work for the wrangler and the kings. I get paid the wrangler rate at the wrangler, and when I step out on the street I get paid the kings rate. 'They're Out To Get You' means someone is pursuing you for ill intent. Yes Dixon was trying to rape you. But I think he's neutral, so he'll give up if you resist. What happened was, you submitted, he wanted you to resist, and therefore you killed the mood for him and he told you off. I think you're right about the prostitute level. I've been making it more difficult to climb the levels as we discussed for a couple versions now. I had zero problems with this one, but I was using an older save, NOT a true clean save. I'm starting a fresh game from scratch here in a minute and I'll do some testing and report back what I get. EDIT: The working save I reverted to was in a state of a. Virgin and b. Never Prostituted.
t3589 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Posted January 31, 2014 For some reason the OP is all wonky now. Don't know what's causing it. I think LL is having website trouble.
ChancellorKremlin Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 Are you getting paid, T? Because in neither of my saves have I gotten paid. It was the same bug I got in the 9 version in McCarran. I also don't get nearly any approaches on my Bride of the Wastes save, and the follow package is broken on that too, I'm just wondering if its asave or a version specific problem.
t3589 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Posted January 31, 2014 I was in my reverted save yes. Working out a fresh save now. I'd call The Bride of The Wastes save toast honestly. My reverted save that worked, had not even started the whore quest, and had never had sex.
ChancellorKremlin Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 Awh! OK then... but I still didn't get paid in my clean save by the way. Man, I'm going to have to have that whole argument with my sisters again, run from Goodsprings, somehow manage to make it past the deathclaw infested highway to Freeside... it's going to be a looong day...
t3589 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Posted January 31, 2014 Awh! OK then... but I still didn't get paid in my clean save by the way. Man, I'm going to have to have that whole argument with my sisters again, run from Goodsprings, somehow manage to make it past the deathclaw infested highway to Freeside... it's going to be a looong day... Yeah I hate it too. There's no way for me to make it not suck, sorry. Hopefully the growing pains will come less often as I move forward.
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