Licenses - Player Oppression

[Nuascura]

8 hours ago, Racoonity, Serah said:

Hi there! 🙃
Another very small suggestion, if I may: would it be possible to exclude fishing rods from the weapons that trigger enforcers, please? 

It’s too small and singular of an item to workaround. It contains the VendorItemWeapon keyword, which we need for that license feature to work. 
 

I’d suggest making your own patch with KID to apply BM_LicensesIgnoreItem to fishing rods.

[normal24yearoldstudent]

hey there. kinda not related to this topic but i saw your Bathing renewed mod and wanted to give it a go. there isnt any UBE texture it seems so i did a quick conversion myself, again. 

 

I have not have the chance to test in-game yet (been away from modding for quite a while), but i believe everything should work just fine. 

 

once again, you're very welcomed to include this in your mod to make things easier for other players.  

 

not 100% sure how the mod works but looks like all 4 texture in set1 are the same file just renamed? so i only did 1.

DirtFXBody.7z

[Nuascura]

@normal24yearoldstudent very nice. Thanks again!

 

And yes, currently BISR just uses the same texture for each body part since no one has bothered to make separate part-specific textures yet.

[normal24yearoldstudent]

13 hours ago, Nuascura said:

@normal24yearoldstudent very nice. Thanks again!

 

And yes, currently BISR just uses the same texture for each body part since no one has bothered to make separate part-specific textures yet.

btw, this have the same issue as UBE inherently has, its kinda intended to be player only. will not work for follower tracking with dirt enable if said follower isnt UBE. 

 

also, how viable is it to repurpose texture made for DirtnBlood for BiSR? like can i just drop them in set2, 3, 4, etc?

[normal24yearoldstudent]

oh yeah i finally finished setting up and tested in-game.... it dosent really just work. I made some mistakes with the alpha channel at first i believe, but now its fixed with this version here,  i guess? this is what it should look like right? this is at 70% opacity/dirtyness, for reference

 

theres still some issues i couldnt figure out tho. face texture is kinda fucked, if i just use the same file for everything(like the base mod), it gets distorted and looks bad. if i convert the texture as a seperate face texture using UBE face texture conversion blender project, it looks like this in-game, like, not visible at all lol. i dont know hwat to do at this point, ill just pretend faces dont get dirty ever

Set1.7z

[Nuascura]

7 hours ago, normal24yearoldstudent said:

also, how viable is it to repurpose texture made for DirtnBlood for BiSR? like can i just drop them in set2, 3, 4, etc?

From what I understand, yes. Past dirt texture authors just copy-pasted and renamed files between DnB and BiS 1.43. And all Monoman did was do the same for each individual body part. So logically you can do what you said.

 

That's a strange issue with the UBE face dirt. I wonder if it's an issue with UBE itself.

[normal24yearoldstudent]

hey one more report/question, this time actually related to LPO:

 

is winterhold and the college suppose to be 2 location and thus needs a tavel permit?

 

im getting this as part of a log :

 

[01/13/2025 - 06:51:09AM] [BM-LPO] Started Violation Check Quest.
[01/13/2025 - 06:51:09AM] [BM-LPO] ViolationCheck_Travel
[01/13/2025 - 06:51:09AM] [BM-LPO] ViolationCheck_DD
[01/13/2025 - 06:51:09AM] [BM-LPO] ViolationCheck_Weapon
[01/13/2025 - 06:51:09AM] [BM-LPO] ViolationCheck_Magic
[01/13/2025 - 06:51:09AM] SlaveTats: no tattoo found in face 5
[01/13/2025 - 06:51:09AM] [BM-LPO] ViolationCheck_Armor
[01/13/2025 - 06:51:09AM] [BM-LPO] ViolationCheck
[01/13/2025 - 06:51:09AM] SlaveTats: no tattoo found in face 6
[01/13/2025 - 06:51:09AM] [BM-LPO] Violation Check time-out in 5 seconds.
[01/13/2025 - 06:51:09AM] [BM-LPO] ViolationCheck_Travel: Licenses couldn't satisfy conditions to mark a saved location or worldspace
[01/13/2025 - 06:51:09AM] [BM-LPO] Detected Travel Violation: Missing Travel Permit
[01/13/2025 - 06:51:09AM] [BM-LPO] Debug: savedLoc (None), lastLoc ([Location < (00018A51)>]), currLoc ([Location < (00076F3A)>])
[01/13/2025 - 06:51:09AM] [BM-LPO] Debug: savedSpace (None), lastSpace (None), currSpace ([WorldSpace <Tamriel (0000003C)>])

 

00018A51 is winterhold location, and 00076F3A is the college of winterhold.

 

i donno, it just feels a little silly to me. its like paying a fee to get to the cloud district lol

 

anyway to whitelist this?

[Nuascura]

@normal24yearoldstudent akshually, the college runs on its own governing system. And the city and college have a mutual distrust/dislike of each other. It makes sense for you to violate travel permissions between the two locations.

 

BTS, however, we can't associate worldspace with worldspace, location with location, except in terms of hierarchy for the latter. Unfortunately, WinterholdCollege and WinterholdLocation exist on the same level. So working around this design, if it is indeed an outlier, will be hard.

[normal24yearoldstudent]

6 hours ago, Nuascura said:

@normal24yearoldstudent akshually, the college runs on its own governing system. And the city and college have a mutual distrust/dislike of each other. It makes sense for you to violate travel permissions between the two locations.

 

BTS, however, we can't associate worldspace with worldspace, location with location, except in terms of hierarchy for the latter. Unfortunately, WinterholdCollege and WinterholdLocation exist on the same level. So working around this design, if it is indeed an outlier, will be hard.

ah i see, does makes sense, i was more so surprise cuz i dont remember triggering this before( i was like on 1.18 or smth) but that could be that i never had license expire while in college? but anyway if this is working as intended ill just roll with it

 

tho im not so sure if the guard should force a fine, and then 2 sec later checks another time.....i feel like the location isnt being saved for some reason. 

 

in this log theres 2 instance of [BM-LPO] Started Violation Check Quest, within like 30s. both for no travel permit.

 

basically this is loading into a save which had PC in college dorm(attainment hall?), gets out, and gets arrested on the spot back to back. Prior to this, PC was in whiterun, got a permit, cart travel to winterhold, spend some time in winterhold, and finally got into the college. the permit expired while in college dorm, so like, if anything this should count as "youve been detected in a settlement" or smth right? not straight to "youve been reported missing"?

Papyrus.0.log

[IBAGadget]

2 hours ago, normal24yearoldstudent said:

tho im not so sure if the guard should force a fine, and then 2 sec later checks another time.....i feel like the location isnt being saved for some reason.

How do you have your license check frequency set up?
I have mine set to time interval, with the time maxed out to 300s, and no LOS check override.

This way, if something expires, I actually have time to get a new permit without wracking up huge fines (with a lower time limit, I've actually gotten multiple fines back to back for missing licenses *while in the process of trying to purchase those licenses*) It takes long enough to go through the whole dialogue process of buying the permits that you can get license checks occurring at the same time. This will then interrupt the purchase dialogue with the 'Wait, I know you' crime dialogue, further slowing down the permit purchasing and garnering more fines.

[Nuascura]

6 hours ago, normal24yearoldstudent said:

if anything this should count as "youve been detected in a settlement" or smth right? not straight to "youve been reported missing"?

If I haven’t misunderstood you, again it’s to do with the location forms. The College has its own location that’s not nested within Winterhold city’s location. That means that if your license expires inside the college dorm and license checks happen to run at that time, you’re considered outside a city. The college dorm is functionally located outside Winterhold city.

 

If your permit expired within the city and you allowed the guards to note you down there, then you’d see that first notification.

Edited January 14, 2025 by Nuascura

[IBAGadget]

1 hour ago, Nuascura said:

If I haven’t misunderstood you, again it’s to do with the location forms. The College has its own location that’s not nested within Winterhold city’s location. That means that if your license expires inside the college dorm and license checks happen to run at that time, you’re considered outside a city. The college dorm is functionally located outside Winterhold city.

 

If your permit expired within the city and you allowed the guards to note you down there, then you’d see that first notification.

Would it be possible to add the college as a 'city' location?
upside - if your license expired, you would still be counted as being in a 'city'

downside - there are no guards there to purchase a license/permit from

 

If it's your travel permit that has expired, you would still wind up getting fined as you would have to travel from one 'city' to another in order to purchase a permit

 

Also, with no guards to fine you in the college, it becomes a defacto 'neutral zone' where you don't have to worry about having any licenses or permits.

Unfortunately, if you ever leave you are subject to the laws of the land you travel through/to

 

Real life Embassy's kinda work like that

[Nuascura]

@IBAGadget Probs best to just add it on your own to the BM_Cities formlist. For consistency's sake and for the reasons you mentioned, I think it's best not to add it for the default set up.

[normal24yearoldstudent]

6 hours ago, Nuascura said:

If I haven’t misunderstood you, again it’s to do with the location forms. The College has its own location that’s not nested within Winterhold city’s location. That means that if your license expires inside the college dorm and license checks happen to run at that time, you’re considered outside a city. The college dorm is functionally located outside Winterhold city.

 

If your permit expired within the city and you allowed the guards to note you down there, then you’d see that first notification.

hang on i mightve realise where my confusion comes from... i use a mod which adds guard to the college. I had totally forgot that there were no guards in vanilla college. so this is why im getting arrested. theres "winterhold guards" making arrest outside of winterhold. its like a whiterun guard arresting you at riverwood for you not being in whiterun. 

 

ill do some patching on my end lol. 

[Nuascura]

@normal24yearoldstudent What you could also do is add Winterhold College to BM_Towns and add LocTypeTown to the college's location form. That would designate it as a possible jurisdiction, albeit one distinct from Winterhold city (which is considered a town).

Edited January 14, 2025 by Nuascura

[MysticDaedra]

When first installing/initializing this mod, how do you get your collar and magic nullification tats? I keep getting slapped with huge fines/bounties right off the bat because my character doesn't have a collar to equip. Wouldn't it make sense that a guard would give a female a collar or apply the tats the first time? IIRC this is how SLS used to handle licenses.

 

Some further reading indicates that a guard is supposed to challenge the PC the first time and equip a collar + apply the magic curse. This is not occurring. Also, despite my character being naked and having no weapons equipped, literally all of the license statuses say "Invalid" and my character immediately gets a massive bounty (fine to bounty is disabled, but new character = no gold). That makes zero sense, right? If I don't have an armor or clothing license, I should be able to just take off everything, as that is what is required without a license, correct?

 

Any help resolving these issues would be greatly appreciated, as it currently stands this mod isn't usable.

Edited January 20, 2025 by MysticDaedra

[IBAGadget]

10 hours ago, MysticDaedra said:

Some further reading indicates that a guard is supposed to challenge the PC the first time and equip a collar + apply the magic curse. This is not occurring. Also, despite my character being naked and having no weapons equipped, literally all of the license statuses say "Invalid" and my character immediately gets a massive bounty (fine to bounty is disabled, but new character = no gold). That makes zero sense, right? If I don't have an armor or clothing license, I should be able to just take off everything, as that is what is required without a license, correct?

After the initialization, did you go in and set the various license conditions? required yes/no, cost/duration, those factors?
I always wait to initialize licenses until I'm in a town/city location, then go somewhere out of view to do it so that I have a chance to get things set up the way I want them before I get seen and slapped with fines, possibly for licenses I have/haven't configured yet.

[MysticDaedra]

2 hours ago, IBAGadget said:

After the initialization, did you go in and set the various license conditions? required yes/no, cost/duration, those factors?
I always wait to initialize licenses until I'm in a town/city location, then go somewhere out of view to do it so that I have a chance to get things set up the way I want them before I get seen and slapped with fines, possibly for licenses I have/haven't configured yet.

I believe what happened (reported this on discord) is that I was force-greeted by several guards simultaneously. The game is hardcoded to only converse with a single person at a time, thus inevitably one or more of the guards were "interrupted", causing them to go hostile as if I ignored them.

[Nuascura]

@MysticDaedra I replied to you in Discord. Gist is, if it were really an issue, more people would've mentioned it by now. Skyrim can handle multiple forcegreets perfectly fine. If you can post a video of what's happening, I could better see how the actors are interacting in your game.

[MysticDaedra]

On 1/20/2025 at 11:59 PM, Nuascura said:

@MysticDaedra I replied to you in Discord. Gist is, if it were really an issue, more people would've mentioned it by now. Skyrim can handle multiple forcegreets perfectly fine. If you can post a video of what's happening, I could better see how the actors are interacting in your game.

No worries, I saw your comments on Discord. Thanks for trying to troubleshoot and help, I appreciate it. For now it seems the solution is to simply not engage with any guards to buy licenses until after a guard has approached and force greeted. No biggie.

[Tseverin]

@Nuascura Would you consider integration with DDE in a future update? Thanks for licenses. I loved sl survival but it was tough to get it to fit in with my specific playthrough. 

[Nuascura]

On 1/29/2025 at 12:49 PM, Tseverin said:

@Nuascura Would you consider integration with DDE in a future update? Thanks for licenses. I loved sl survival but it was tough to get it to fit in with my specific playthrough. 

Devious Devices Equip? I'm unclear how LPO would integrate with DDE. It sounds like it's just a modder's utility for convenience and not exactly anything that would crucially help LPO.

[Tseverin]

On 1/30/2025 at 5:41 AM, Nuascura said:

Devious Devices Equip? I'm unclear how LPO would integrate with DDE. It sounds like it's just a modder's utility for convenience and not exactly anything that would crucially help LPO.

Actually, you can set it up so you can equip custom combinations of devices of your preference. So, if you had the integration, I could have it so your mod equips my favorite straight jacket, ring heels and  shackles if my licenses were expired and I was stopped by the guards. If you look at practical defeat, Ponzy had it so there were several sets of outfits that you chose (set up in DDE MCM) would randomly equip. Works great in POP. Its a great mod. It seems like a lot of folks here don't know about its utility. I've been enjoying it for quite a while. 

Edited February 1, 2025 by Tseverin

[Nuascura]

I see. It's certainly not marketed well on its own page. Unfortunately, supplementary outward integration is on a standstill until I can finish my backlog of to-dos for LPO.

[asdterewt]

Thank you for providing the mod. I would like to make a request: could you consider incorporating a hardcore mode in a future update？