roldoi1911 Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 I've installed FNIS 7.6 XXL for Legendary Edition. For some reason despite updating behavior and checking consistency, this is what happens when I start a new game. I've tried verifying cache, and removing all animations added by mods. I've even tried having a vanilla reinstall with just FNIS, but this still persists.
CaptainJ03 Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 Installing FNIS is one thing, did you actually run it? (*) You need to run and re-run every time you add or remove a mod with animations. (*) yes, I know that sounds daft, but you're giving not much information. Your screenshot shows how vanilla start looks for me when I forget to run that bloody thing.
donttouchmethere Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 THAT's how vanilla looked like! 6 hours ago, roldoi1911 said: For some reason despite updating behavior and checking consistency, this is what happens when I start a new game. That's not an issue with FNIS, but with the Skyrim Intro if you modded your game (SOS breaks carriage drive, various cameras, mods still loading or fail to load, creatures spawn and attack, helgen gate doesn't open, no one gets beheaded, actors get stuck, cats sleep with dogs, HELL ON TAMRIEL). To prevent a broken start, use an alternative start! Realm of Lorkhan - Freeform Alternate Start gives also enough time to load all mods before moving on to Skyrim also useful to teleport around Skyrim via Crystals that are distributed all over Skyrim it is always possible to return to the Realm ⚠️ last version I tried changed one weather type or adds one Alternate Start - Live Another Life 3.1.7 alternative download lots of LL addons works reliable (choose starts unrelated to modded starter locations, camping in the woods (unless you use Predator I guess lol) and shipwreck or additional LAL mods are safest) Skyrim Unbound Reborn recommended by @wutpickel, @HexBolt8 and @BigOnes69 now with starter cell! Option to start as a "not the Dragonborn" Alternate Perspective - Prologue Retold - LE new Alternate Start recommended by @Seeker999 LL Addon: Alternate Perspective - Sold Out V2.0
worik Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said: Alternate Perspective - Prologue Retold - LE new Alternate Start recommended by @Seeker999 LL Addon: Alternate Perspective - Sold Out V2.0 That sounds really really cool. I didn't know we have such a mod. ?
donttouchmethere Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, worik said: That sounds really really cool. I didn't know we have such a mod. ? It even works. Atm I use it as basis AS for the rebuild of my Death Star devious skyrim setup. I saw Helgen! Not burning! Wait, it should burn someday, but I didn't tested that yet ? By now I tried all AS in that list, all add a starter cell now, all worked.
worik Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 18 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said: By now I tried all AS in that list, all add a starter cell now, all worked. ? That's what I was looking for as an ASLAL replacement. Are those starting points in the wilderness (left for dead) random or are they predefined? ? They must match my story, or I will have to fall back to "default" and start from there
donttouchmethere Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, worik said: Are those starting points in the wilderness (left for dead) random or are they predefined? Randomly predefined? I think that scenario has a few random starter locations. Can't be many, because I always get the same two (any place with broken down carriages (giant/bandits) But not all AS have that starter location I guess? I only checked if they have a starter cell where mods can load before leaving and all those NPC get loaded and all hell breaks loose. 9 minutes ago, worik said: They must match my story I actually only need the starter cell. After that I search the starting scenario in an area I know no mod had his hand on. That's why I usually shipwreck as metaphor of things to come lol If you have the right sandbox mods any start would create a new story, but I guess that would delay your story. How can the AS know what your story is? Atm I like the idea to start in Helgen that is still intact. If you want to start the usual story you can talk to the barkeep in Helgen and everything should burn down. Not sure if the dragon attack gets simulated. *looks at mod install status* Alternate Perspective - Prologue Retold - LE I could try it real quick ?
worik Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 12 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said: How can the AS know what your story is? It doesn't need to. It is I who needs to know what the AS is about and where it puts me. Quote I could try it real quick ? Would be interesting
Heroine HoneyCrotch Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 For me the vanilla strat through AltStart is close to a 50-50. If you want to do vanilla start with AltStart just make a save before you choose vanilla start so you can try a few times if carriage ride gets wonky. Loosely guessing this is how it is for everybody who has modded out game.
donttouchmethere Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 10 hours ago, roldoi1911 said: I start a new game 3 hours ago, worik said: Would be interesting 1 hour ago, Heroine HoneyCrotch said: AltStart is close to a 50-50 I just tested the Alternative Perspective default start after being in Helgen for a while, and... I PLAYED THE INTRO! lol It's well made, because you are a visitor in Helgen while all the Intro takes place you can watch until the dragon attacks. This solves all the carriage issues as well =D So if you ever wanted to play the intro and just watch the start and play the rest > now is your chance! Also means you can play without triggering helgen quest, because you need to as a certain dialogue in helgen to start the usual intro and destroy helgen. Pretty cool. I drop some screens into the next comment.
donttouchmethere Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 Pretty bare bone setup, but you get the picture: Default is the AP manipulated Intro, but it won't start until you choose to, it's save to leave the starter cell and roam the world. Everything you choose will have Helgen still be intact until you decide otherwise. (arghs, I forgot, LL is slow >.<) Starter cell and all choices (+ a few from AP addons) Spoiler This are the "robbed and left behind" starts: Spoiler This are the starts for role play if "Dealing with Daedra" - zero skill start - is used: Spoiler Default start and off I go! Spoiler Helgen in all it's glory: Spoiler If in the Helgen Tavern the Helgen quest is chosen (and after sleeping): Be just a spectator for once! It's funny to watch too. ***WARNING: spoilers if you never ever played the intro, but at least nearly vanilla =D *** Spoiler
worik Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 1 hour ago, donttouchmethere said: This solves all the carriage issues as well =D ? ? Soooo cool
Gukahn Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 2 hours ago, donttouchmethere said: I PLAYED THE INTRO! lol What the fuck.. I haven't played that since 2011 ? Most important questions first: Did you get any scripted lags? How was Alduin? Did he have a dick? ?
Seeker999 Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 When I started the current pt I chose the shipwreck option. If you search the starter cell you can find money, equipment, etc. If you choose to start off as a property owner, that money is deducted from your inventory. In my pt I consider it balanced because I have so many extra bandit camps plus SD-cages that w/o it I'm constant dead meat. I don't mind a challenge, but I do want a chance! ?
donttouchmethere Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 5 hours ago, Gukahn said: Did he have a dick? ? Not yet, working on that ? 5 hours ago, Gukahn said: Did you get any scripted lags? Need to install the mods that add those to the game next. Actually that was the most fluid Intro ever, the NPC had trouble following. Amazing how fast things can be if only the basics are installed. Wait, I have the whole Babo family installed and it didn't even rose the SKSE co save save time o.o I thought for a moment I broke it... nope, SKSE co save is still there. No worries, I will find something that isn't optimal. 5 hours ago, Gukahn said: What the fuck.. That's what I thought when the carriages appeared in Helgen and they asked a NPC who he is, because his name isn't on the list. I had to hold back not to shout: "here, I'm here" while waiting for character generator to pop up. What an imposter! Now I feel like some ambient Helgen NPC o.o
Gukahn Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 11 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said: Now I feel like some ambient Helgen NPC o.o Wow.. Just wow. 12 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said: Not yet, working on that ? That's actually really an important question. I bugged myself once through helgens carriage ride, the moment alduin swings his dick all over the place, my game crashes. If a BBDC," a Big Black Dragon Cock" doesn't crash your game with that mod, then i actually might switch to it ? 14 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said: Need to install the mods that add those to the game next. Actually that was the most fluid Intro ever, the NPC had trouble following. Amazing how fast things can be if only the basics are installed. Wait, I have the whole Babo family installed and it didn't even rose the SKSE co save save time o.o I thought for a moment I broke it... nope, SKSE co save is still there. No worries, I will find something that isn't optimal. Just shows how much bullshit we all add to the game to make it playable ?
donttouchmethere Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 6 hours ago, Gukahn said: I haven't played that since 2011 WAIT! You play Skyrim for THAT long already? ? 5 hours ago, Gukahn said: That's actually really an important question. I bugged myself once through helgens carriage ride, the moment alduin swings his dick all over the place, my game crashes. If a BBDC," a Big Black Dragon Cock" doesn't crash your game with that mod, then i actually might switch to it ? Okay, okay, I declared MNC to a core mod anyways and I have to retest a few times until the basics are installed. Atm there are only 140 plugin mods installed. I think 450 mods (with/without plugin) is a good foundation to start (all those texture/NPC/Armor/weapon/flora/clutter/sound/light/weather/water/.../ replacers) I'm also not sure if those Babo Mods are stable enough to keep. But I always only have one serious approach mod and that is DEC (in addition to SLAC). I let NPC have fun with Sexlife. It's time for something fresh (even if it's just a fresh reason to crash lol) 5 hours ago, Gukahn said: Just shows how much bullshit we all add to the game to make it playable ? lol so true... and now obvious too. I usually need 4 hours alone to manipulate all MCM if I declare the game a serious one. I found the old MCM jsons, maybe I'm lucky and can speed it up... joking those are now over 1 year old ?
donttouchmethere Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 6 hours ago, Seeker999 said: shipwreck I like that one the most too, nothing that interferes right away, giving an overmodded game some time to calm down and I can be sure no other mod changed anything on that location that might get overwritten by the AS.
Grey Cloud Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 6 hours ago, Gukahn said: How was Alduin? He was fine and said to say "hello". 9 hours ago, donttouchmethere said: Also means you can play without triggering helgen quest, I have to admit I am impressed. If I ever get around to repairing my Skyrim then I may well go with this mod. It seems to keep the best parts of AS and add the keep Helgen without triggering the MQ part of Unbound.
Heroine HoneyCrotch Posted March 26, 2022 Posted March 26, 2022 15 hours ago, donttouchmethere said: I just tested the Alternative Perspective default start after being in Helgen for a while, So you started the game and then did an alt start? Its 2022 so I dont see why not.....
worik Posted March 26, 2022 Posted March 26, 2022 8 hours ago, donttouchmethere said: I usually need 4 hours alone to manipulate all MCM if I declare the game a serious one. That's fast! I need longer. Technically I have done some screenshots of my old settings and sometimes I took notes in my wiki. I am still unsure which is the better way ... Measuring "better" in terms of faster to replicate better browsable less work to create Opinions ?
Gukahn Posted March 26, 2022 Posted March 26, 2022 8 hours ago, donttouchmethere said: WAIT! You play Skyrim for THAT long already? ? With big breaks in between, usually a couple of years ? Reason why i started to play it again was boredom and the whole situation we got the last years. (that and even if ESo had really good storys to tell, it was in it's core an MMO and i don't like those DPS mandates and Gear fascists when it came to the Roles.) 8 hours ago, donttouchmethere said: I'm also not sure if those Babo Mods are stable enough to keep. But I always only have one serious approach mod and that is DEC (in addition to SLAC). I let NPC have fun with Sexlife. It's time for something fresh (even if it's just a fresh reason to crash lol) ? know what you mean, got finally the slavery parts in my game setup and now i don't even use it that much right now.. And i've always had at least one mod for vampires and werewolves even if i never planed on becoming one of those.. But better to keep if i get the urge to. 8 hours ago, donttouchmethere said: lol so true... and now obvious too. I usually need 4 hours alone to manipulate all MCM if I declare the game a serious one. I found the old MCM jsons, maybe I'm lucky and can speed it up... joking those are now over 1 year old then i am lucky that it "only" takes me 2 hourse for the mcm and one to testplay new things if i added something more demanding ?
donttouchmethere Posted March 26, 2022 Posted March 26, 2022 3 hours ago, worik said: That's fast! I need longer. Technically I have done some screenshots of my old settings and sometimes I took notes in my wiki. I am still unsure which is the better way ... Measuring "better" in terms of faster to replicate better browsable less work to create Opinions ? Good thinking. If you are able to find all those note and pictures later ? Probably talking just about me here ?. I did those MCM so often that's it all saved on my OMD (organic memory drive). Really time consuming are those MCM settings with unclear function. The effect of those can only be found out ingame, which isn't a problem if only one mod does things like that, which isn't always the case >.< I still praise any mod author that adds MCM save function no matter how few settings are in those MCM and now I also praise any explanations in MCMs (because of course I install mods first and read the mod description later if I don't get it ?). Keeping json works also well if the mod doesn't evolves quickly or at all. Using old json on new mod versions is a bit risky. In addition some MCM need to be saved first in order to be able to exchange the json, because old json can't be loaded on a new game as long as the MCM wasn't saved once. All this in combination makes it painful to replace json right from the start. So I think the idea making screenshot for later use is a good idea.
donttouchmethere Posted March 26, 2022 Posted March 26, 2022 3 hours ago, Gukahn said: know what you mean, got finally the slavery parts in my game setup and now i don't even use it that much right now. But it's a good feeling to know they are there. The possibilities, THE POSSIBILITIES!
Andy14 Posted March 26, 2022 Posted March 26, 2022 On 3/25/2022 at 3:23 AM, roldoi1911 said: I've installed FNIS 7.6 XXL for Legendary Edition. For some reason despite updating behavior and checking consistency, this is what happens when I start a new game. I've tried verifying cache, and removing all animations added by mods. I've even tried having a vanilla reinstall with just FNIS, but this still persists. As mentioned before, SOS only makes the instability of the starting scene worse. Only install/activate SOS and also MNC when you are in Riverwood. At the vanilla start, make sure that Tulius rides in front of the trek, as only he will trigger the gate. If Tulius is not in front, you can return to the main menu as soon as possible (after the Skyrim logo) and start a new attempt. If none of this helps, let Steam check your files.
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