Simple question on Skyrim AE

[Dorabella]

Reading through several support requests, I couldn't help but notice that they concern Skyrim AE.

the requests are always the same: this doesn't work, that doesn't work and so on

 

Here, a couple of examples

 

Spoiler

Instant CTD when trying to load my SSE save game after installing new SKSE64

 

SEQ Files Not Working In AE - Any Ideas on How To Fix?

 

 

 

Is it possible that no one pauses for a moment to think?
 Is it possible that everyone believes that a backward thing can work on an update without problems?
Is it possible that no one thinks that updating a mod takes some time?

 

[27X]

Considering you still don't have an actual handle on how SMP works after six years you should prolly dial the waggly eyebrows and guffahs back a notch.

[donttouchmethere]

If you think these are the biggest problems, think again. ?

 

Spoiler

 

[Gukahn]

5 hours ago, Lestat1627 said:

Is it possible that no one thinks that updating a mod takes some time?

 

After trying helping from time to time and reading quite a lot in support forum to see if i can help or if others have better ideas and infos then i do, the only answer i can give you is:
Google is dead

Searchbars bite and give herpes

Asking the same question 3 times in a row after 5 other people asked it 2 Days after each other is cool ?

 

And i don't believe that most people think that much..

[Dorabella]

4 hours ago, donttouchmethere said:

If you think these are the biggest problems, think again

I do not consider them the greatest, simply, since it has been scientifically demonstrated that the human being uses 10% of the intellectual power, and, since many are below average, I realize that in fact it is true. Yet thinking is not difficult

 

5 hours ago, 27X said:

Considering you still don't have an actual handle on how SMP works after six years you should prolly dial the waggly eyebrows and guffahs back a notch.

But they work on it by making the necessary changes / corrections

I think it is a different concept from an Update done only because it is the latest one . The modders will need some time to adjust. I, who do very few, know how long a mod takes. I often need days just for corrections, and, I'm just talking about clothes, let alone who, has to modify animations, scripts, quests and so on.

 

I fixed the obsolete Skyrim Shogun mod and made it work, it took me 2 months , just to correct all mistakes ,  now works , I have not made it available because it is incomplete. It still needs some changes . This, just to indicate how long it takes to make one

 

Instead of fucking upgrading, why not wait ?  AE isn't running anywhere .

[pinky6225]

3 hours ago, Lestat1627 said:

Instead of fucking upgrading, why not wait ?  AE isn't running anywhere .

 

A lot of the threads i see are either from people that just got it or werent aware of the change as not everybody is a daily visitor to a modding forum to know they needed to do something to block it, as you probably know there is not a do not update option in steam anymore as they took it away years ago

 

 

[Dorabella]

I wonder at this point, where is the usefulness of the thing. Forcing an Update when the game no longer works

[Grey Cloud]

3 hours ago, Lestat1627 said:

since it has been scientifically demonstrated that the human being uses 10% of the intellectual power,

How do you measure 'intellectual power'?

 

3 hours ago, Lestat1627 said:

Yet thinking is not difficult

No but reason, deduction and adduction have to be learned.

 

11 minutes ago, pinky6225 said:

either from people that just got it or werent aware of the change as not everybody is a daily visitor to a modding forum

Either way they still have access to umpteen different search engines.

 

Enter @Gukahn with his Google R.I.P. image.

[pinky6225]

19 minutes ago, Lestat1627 said:

I wonder at this point, where is the usefulness of the thing. Forcing an Update when the game no longer works

 

From a developer/support point of view i suppose you always want the user to be on the most up to date version as you've potentially fixed there issue in the "current" release that they are complaining about but from a end user point of view if you are making changes yeah its a bit shit as fixing a once in a blue moon issue that user A has never encountered that also breaks lots of stuff they already had working is vexing

 

Whether thats driven by steam or the publishers sellings there stuff on steam though, no idea

 

In the best of worlds the always update/update on launch would only be turned on for games that don't allow modding but even games that aren't offically moddable do have mods so you'd just be reducing the problem rather than removing it

 

I suppose the other point is the poor state that games are released in now on day 1 as getting patch after patch has become a normal occurrence for a long time now (whether thats due to games being more complicated or just knowledge that the ability to deploy fixes post release is available) which is why a lot are wary of pre-ordering/buying a game on release day anymore

 

4 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

21 minutes ago, pinky6225 said:

either from people that just got it or werent aware of the change as not everybody is a daily visitor to a modding forum

Either way they still have access to umpteen different search engines.

 

True but if you have no idea that something is happening, exactly what would you put into that search engine?

 

Doesn't really work does it, unless your seriously expecting people to check the 35 mil hits

 

 

 

 

 

[Grey Cloud]

2 minutes ago, pinky6225 said:

True but if you have no idea that something is happening,

Why would you post on a forum if you have no idea that something is happening?

[pinky6225]

3 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

Why would you post on a forum if you have no idea that something is happening?

 

As they often have support threads maybe?

[Dorabella]

49 minutes ago, pinky6225 said:

From a developer/support point of view i suppose you always want the user to be on the most up to date version

Okay, but this should be a choice not a tacit obligation

 

 

 

The purpose of this Thread is not to generate conflicts but, just to have a general idea on how valid / reliable it is to update when then nothing works anymore

[Grey Cloud]

1 hour ago, pinky6225 said:

 

As they often have support threads maybe?

You've lost me now. If someone has no idea something is happening then they have no reason to do anything. If you mean they know something is happening but they do not understand what it is then there is no reason why they cannot use a search engine to at least try to find out.

[Just Don't]

50 minutes ago, Lestat1627 said:

The purpose of this Thread is not to generate conflicts but, just to have a general idea on how valid / reliable it is to update when then nothing works anymore

Money

 

11 hours ago, Lestat1627 said:

Is it possible that no one pauses for a moment to think?
 Is it possible that everyone believes that a backward thing can work on an update without problems?
Is it possible that no one thinks that updating a mod takes some time?

So possible that's the reality we've been living since forever. Most of the player base, even for heavily modable games, is clueless about the behind the scenes.

[Dorabella]

38 minutes ago, Just Don't said:

So possible that's the reality we've been living since forever. Most of the player base, even for heavily modable games, is clueless about the behind the scenes.

I agree, and maybe that's where the mistake is. oblige without notice

[Just Don't]

23 minutes ago, Lestat1627 said:

without notice

I don't think this is the case at all tho. Rumors of a new Skyrim release always hit frontpage on gaming sites, I'd say it even reached out of gaming spheres here, mainly because of the meme of Skyrim being re-re-re-re-re-release again. There was an article about what this new update implies on the nexus site, there was several threads here. Thing is most users don't care about the technical stuff, it's way easier to throw a new thread asking for help whenever something doesn't work than refer to the existing information or do a quick search. And that's how communities work. FFS there are still people arguing why their games don't work anymore even though they didn't buy this AE thing, and everytime other games (like the sims) receive an update the forum fills with people asking why things stopped working.