Open letter to Ashal

[Evaloves4]

> I have been on LL for five years. As I recall correctly this is 3rd or 4th upgrade of LL site. I welcome all good and improved things. But I don't understand one thing: although you are constantly improving login security and anti hacker intruding, why there wasn't a single improvement of  "Ignore" feature? It is rather symbolic than functional since LL trolls easily do their perverted rampage. Ignoring on LL is like a putting a blindfold over my eyes instead of trolls' eyes. There is no point if I can't see what they do to me in my and other threads if they see what I'm posting. And nobody reacts because they don't want to be next trolls' victims or they agree with trolls. We, posters have no power to deal with inadequate posts in our threads. Moderators have that power which is not bad, but imo, it is insufficient because until trolls are banned, they do whatever they want and damage they made is much bigger.

 

> Now, I'm not ungrateful. Thanks for keeping the site free. My rant and appeal is following: Either let us, the thread authors to manage with our threads as it is the case with blogs, or improve "ignore" feature. If lack of the money is the issue for improving the site again, just say it and we'll try to collect it. Many of us loves LL but, hand on the heart, it sucks in certain important areas.

 

> I do not criticize you. I'm just having enough of this.

Best regards.

Edited August 17, 2021 by EvalovesEP

[CaptainJ03]

What is a troll, and who decides that?

I see your point, that trolls are a real nuisance and it would be nice if there'd be an easy way to get rid of them. But I am so old that I've made my first steps in online discussions in the usenet - there was no way for anybody to remove trolls. You simply ignored them.

Then came along html based forums, and now there were moderators with the power to delete posts and ban people for - nothing. You as a user lost every right to criticise stupid people (or trolls) because you never knew if they're on the same side a s the mods. Next day you try to log in, you're banned. Openly criticise a moderator? All your posts are deleted.

What if a troll starts a thread and has the administrative rights to delete every post in his thread which he doesn't like? No one would even be able to say "this ist fake" or "you're a troll" because that post would be gone within five minutes.

 

Don't feed the trolls. Ignore them.

[Evaloves4]

12 minutes ago, CaptainJ03 said:

What is a troll, and who decides that?

I see your point, that trolls are a real nuisance and it would be nice if there'd be an easy way to get rid of them. But I am so old that I've made my first steps in online discussions in the usenet - there was no way for anybody to remove trolls. You simply ignored them.

Then came along html based forums, and now there were moderators with the power to delete posts and ban people for - nothing. You as a user lost every right to criticise stupid people (or trolls) because you never knew if they're on the same side a s the mods. Next day you try to log in, you're banned. Openly criticise a moderator? All your posts are deleted.

What if a troll starts a thread and has the administrative rights to delete every post in his thread which he doesn't like? No one would even be able to say "this ist fake" or "you're a troll" because that post would be gone within five minutes.

 

Don't feed the trolls. Ignore them.

> I understand your point, but everyone who is on net for certain period of time can recognize trolling. Disagreement is not trolling. Trolls would rare start own threads. They rather enjoy in using other people treads. Anyhow, having power over own threads beside moderator was already discussed here and I don't want to go through it again.

 

> Ignoring does NOT help.

 

> Btw, I'm rather for improving "Ignore" feature. In that case, making mistake in identifying as a troll is reduce to "0".

[Evaloves4]

I just give up. People sees what they want to see and putting their words in my mouth. I'm fucking done here.

[Psalam]

16 minutes ago, EvalovesEP said:

everyone who is on net for certain period of time can recognize trolling

Like Justice Potter Stewart said about obscenity, "I know it when I see it."

[SleepyMonster]

I use the ignore function for the worst case members. ?

LL became a sea of calm and tranquility ☮️????️✌️

[Guest]

You know that I understand your point. I do not begin such topics, but know how it can be only one person to enter into the conversation with an attitude that brings a stench through the computer screen when reading his or her words. Often, their words do nothing to contribute to the conversation or expand it, but are meant to insult anyone who does not think exactly as they think. 

 

Those are ones who when challenged fall deeper, to more insults and foul language, as intelligent thought and meaningful words are rarely strengths for those types.

[Tlam99]

there always will be people which like to insult, do personal attacks, put someone down, with purpose.

There are also people doing so by not thinking enough on putting the words down.

Later ones will excuse for that, the first ones mentioned go ahead with attacks.

It is difficult to keep a site open minded and protected the same time. My way is, to stay above this, give an answer which accepts

the said in a adequate way but not insulting...... if I feel to give an answer.

We need to stay together and keep the community free, clean and help each other to point out those first mentioned.

The moderators have a quite difficult job, they need our help, too.

Be assured EvalovesEP, to be respected by the grand part here is worth more than facing some ugly people.

Laugh about those trolls and ring the bell, we will support you if you need us. In this sense, count on me if you need help.

[CaptainJ03]

2 hours ago, EvalovesEP said:

everyone who is on net for certain period of time can recognize trolling.

It's not about recognising trolling. It's about who's to decide, and in which timeframe, what is trolling, and how to deal with it.

 

2 hours ago, EvalovesEP said:

I just give up. People sees what they want to see and putting their words in my mouth. I'm fucking done here.

See? There was one single post (by me) and now I am "people" and "putting words in your mouth" by just asking the question who should have the administrative right to delete a posting that's not their own.

You seem to be running so high on emotion, that I think it's a good feature that you don't have that right. Don't get me wrong here, I'm a choleric when triggered and really shouldn't have any of these rights whatsoever.

As far as I understand this board, there's the possibility to advise a moderator of trolls or trolling posts, and if that person was ignored, no-one will ever see the gap in the thread afterwards. I haven't seen trolls yet, only brats and stupid people, but I'm only active in some very few DD threads.

 

Love and peace,

Joe.

[Psalam]

18 minutes ago, CaptainJ03 said:

I haven't seen trolls yet, only brats and stupid people

In that case we're doing our jobs.

[Evaloves4]

18 minutes ago, CaptainJ03 said:

 

See? There was one single post (by me) and now I am "people" and "putting words in your mouth" by just asking the question who should have the administrative right to delete a posting that's not their own.

 

 > You've wrong. It wasn't you. There was one LL member who erased his/her post after you. Oh, my you are rushing with conclusion without knowing the whole truth

[Tlam99]

4 minutes ago, EvalovesEP said:

rushing with conclusion without knowing the

In that case,  Captain has to wear a pet collar for 3 days.

[HighwayDio]

The point for someone to troll is to get a reaction, by not giving them that reaction and ignoring them, they are failing on what they are trying to do and only someone who is dedicated to getting a reaction will keep up the troll act up. Yes, its unfortunate, but there is no other way to get rid of trolls besides ignoring them.

Trolls are everywhere, here, YouTube, Nexus, even porn sites have them. Their goal is to annoy and get people upset, by acknowledging them and feeding them, your giving them what they want, attention in a negative light, or in their point of view, a positive light.

Yes, it can be hard to do for allot of people, but the best thing to do is to ignore the trolls, don't respond to them with negativity, your just gonna feed them at that point and they'll end up trolling more. If anything, just shrug them off without any hostility if you can't simply ignore them.

[stingray1995]

17 minutes ago, EvalovesEP said:

There was one LL member

It was me.  You can go ahead and say it.  I believe words/terms such as "sententiousness," "irony," and "self-accountability" might've been mentioned somewhere.  And a moderator deleted those posts, not me.  Cuff me for having a conflicting opinion.

 

46 minutes ago, CaptainJ03 said:

now I am "people" and "putting words in your mouth"

We all are.

 

18 minutes ago, T-lam said:

In that case,  Captain has to wear a pet collar for 3 days.

Me first, pretty please?

 

 

 

[Scrab]

1 hour ago, CaptainJ03 said:

See? There was one single post (by me) and now I am "people" and "putting words in your mouth" by just asking the question who should have the administrative right to delete a posting that's not their own.

The other post was written by me, no clue how you were supposed to know that jaja

 

I said that at the bottom of this request of a stronger ignore feature, theres basically just a request to allow OPs to moderate their own threads

If thats not the case, how else am I going to understand the possibility of making "trolls" be ignored by other users instead of just you? Are we going with votes? Make a new Salem or so.. something like the "Troll hunting of Loverslab"! - and everyone accused and voted for will be hanged upside down, gagged with their hands tied and a cane whip next to them alongside some healing & stamina potions so they can go longer. Yosh! 

 

I also meant that introducing such features would never work out. Nexus is the living proof it doesnt work and just makes way for some entitled childs, it doesnt matter there if there are people not doing it, the consequence of people using it wrongly will simply be more dangerous than the benefit fom people who are using it properly

At the end of the day, what falls under "trolling" is subjective. Some may consider my Salem joke to be trolling while others will just see it as a joke to underline my disagreement. Yay

 

15 minutes ago, stingray1995 said:

It was me.

Yoooo wass'up other me!

Edited August 17, 2021 by Scrab

[KoolHndLuke]

22 minutes ago, stingray1995 said:

It was me.  You can go ahead and say it.  I believe words/terms such as "sententiousness," "irony," and "self-accountability" might've been mentioned somewhere.  And a moderator deleted those posts, not me.  Cuff me for having a conflicting opinion.

I looked at a few of your posts and I must admit that I didn't really see anything you said to be insulting or anything. But Bro... something you did set her the fuck OFF!! Didn't really want to get involved in this, but I'm tired of people getting pissed and leaving LL or Nexus in a fucking tantrum. Not saying it's anyone's fault because it isn't. We are all entitled to our opinions and views and this should never change. I guess some people are more sensitive to stuff than others? I know I've been there a time or two and gone off on some people when they didn't really deserve it.

 

 

 

Edited August 17, 2021 by KoolHndLuke

[stingray1995]

8 minutes ago, Scrab said:

Yoooo wass'up other me!

 

6 minutes ago, KoolHndLuke said:

I looked at a few of your posts and I must admit that I didn't really see anything you said to be insulting or anything. But Bro... something you did set her the fuck OFF!! 

 

Pot, meet kettle. Be aware that we may or may not be posting in off-topics where "being offended" and "being bothered" are not synonymous with one another. You also don't know "truth"; only they do.

[KoolHndLuke]

7 minutes ago, stingray1995 said:

Pot, meet kettle. Be aware that we may or may not be posting in off-topics where "being offended" and "being bothered" are not synonymous with one another. You also don't know "truth"; only they do.

Right..... think I see the problem now.

[CaptainJ03]

1 hour ago, EvalovesEP said:

You've wrong. It wasn't you. There was one LL member who erased his/her post after you.

Perfect troll move - write something to upset people and then delete said post. That's why you ALWAYS quote what your answer refers to.

[Evaloves4]

> It is not about disagreements as it was claimed. It was the attitude, harsh and sexist words because I am a female and they hates certain type of females. Would moderators erased their post if they weren't offensive. They kept those posts that were OK. But, instead of letting me go regardless of it, stingray1995 was after me humiliating me and opposing everything I said. But, enough of it. Moderators who dealt with this issue knows the whole truth.

 

> I was first for improving "Ignore" feature. You can clearly see it in my OP but most of the readers saw me asking about power for deleting the posts. Anyhow. This is my last post in this thread. I really ask you: if you don't like my posts/threads, just skip it. If you don't like me: ignore me but stop harassing me with hidden sarcasm and rudeness. stingry1995 if you think you right and you are good man, you will leave me alone. I publicly beg you to stop following me around forums and post your opinions. I really don't care what you have to say to em and about me. You do not exist for me.

[Seijin8]

Agreed that the ignore system is useless on its face.  It does nothing.

 

Put a different way, if the ignore function were worth a damn, I never would have seen this thread.

[Pamatronic]

11 minutes ago, EvalovesEP said:

I publicly beg you to stop following me around forums and post your opinions.

And here we are again at the crux of the issue. opposing opinions.

Im pretty sure we´ve had this entire discussion already two months ago. (and agreed that we don't want to become like Nexus).

 

Just understand already that opposing opinions are GOOD for you. sometimes they can come over as mean, but ultimately its a hint that you might have actually done or said something stupid. Be grateful for people doing you this favor, rather than leaving you to foster in an echo chamber.

 

[worik]

2 minutes ago, Seijin8 said:

Agreed that the ignore system is useless on its face.  It does nothing.

? I don't know if I understood the technical part about the ignore system here.

It worked in fact pretty good when we had to cope with spammers and their accounts are still on my shit-list.

 

It doesn't work anymore ? Is that related to the updates somehow?

[Evaloves4]

13 minutes ago, Pamatronic said:

And here we are again at the crux of the issue. opposing opinions.

Im pretty sure we´ve had this entire discussion already two months ago. (and agreed that we don't want to become like Nexus).

 

Just understand already that opposing opinions are GOOD for you. sometimes they can come over as mean, but ultimately its a hint that you might have actually done or said something stupid. Be grateful for people doing you this favor, rather than leaving you to foster in an echo chamber.

 

 

> You took my saying out of context quoting only the part you remembered. You are biased: Why didn't you quote this part too? ---

It is not about disagreements as it was claimed. It was the attitude, harsh and sexist words because I am a female and they hates certain type of females. Would moderators erased their post if they weren't offensive. They kept those posts that were OK. .

> ... because you wanted me to look like stupid female who doesn't know what is good for her.

Edited August 17, 2021 by EvalovesEP

[Evaloves4]

17 minutes ago, Seijin8 said:

Agreed that the ignore system is useless on its face.  It does nothing.

 

Put a different way, if the ignore function were worth a damn, I never would have seen this thread.

> EXACTLY