So why is beastiality bad now in Sims 4 yet for Skyrim/Fallout its polar opposite?

[TentacleBandit]

I'm not 100% clear on the drama and haven't played Sims 4 for years until recently.  I've been slowly collecting mods to play again and have noticed drama around beastiality for the Sims 4, with no mods on this site and only animations for it which I thought was strange at first.

 

I just noticed turbo put a disclaimer on his mod WW stating it doesnt feature beastiality or support nonconsenual sex, which is totally legit and I respect his decision (plus its good to clarify) - but why does he have to at all?  Like the tone sounds defensive based on accusations of it - yet when does anybody on loverslab care about beastiality since its featured so heavily in everything from Skyrim, Fallout mods to Rimworld? 

 

Not to mention half the animations are mostly being attacked/losing to monsters (aka nonconsentually) in these games, heck even pregnancy mods for monsters exist or being enslaved to monsters (or is that it because they are monsters and not "beasts")?

 

Yet on the sims 4 side, its like the total polar opposite with accusations of beastiality and nonconsentual animations needing "trigger warnings".  Its like two different worlds on the same website and confuses me lol.

 

Now I understand the community is also very different, with the Sims 4 heavily female, although statistically its mostly women who engage in beastiality behind closed doors ..its just men get caught statistically doing it - so does that mean its just a small group of SJW males on twitter attacking Sims 4 mods for beastiality?  A vocal minority trying to burn the house down?

 

I should note I DO know part of this "debate" floats around underage mods, but thats like totally two different subject matters and that make no sense either.  Thats like going to a swimming pool and complaining about world war 2 on a microphone to people swimming laps.  Sure they both featured water but...they aren't the same by a long shot.

 

So what am I missing, why is beastiality or heck even "rough" or nonconsentual mods such a no no for the Sims 4 yet for every other game, its almost the go to?  Heck articles on journalistic websites have even written about the sex mods for skyrim and its never been hey beastiality bad and more hey look at these crazy mods and people having fun! 

 

I should note this is not a request thread, rather I'm asking about the backlash against them and the differences between the communities.

[RexxingFlex]

I don't really know If I can really add to this conversation in any way! But I haven't typed anything here in a while and I'm bored so why not!

 

I'll start with, I don't like bestiality at all! Not even a little a bit!

In fact it is so far beyond and away from my tastes that for the longest time while visiting this site It didn't even register with me that it is popular here! I'm the same with bondage too, don't like it. Yet these things are clearly popular here. Hell I don't even play Sims ever, I haven't tried even one of these games yet! The closest I came was Spore.

 

Someone reading this here might say "Why are you here anyway then?". First I do play the Elder Scrolls and Fallout series on a regular basis. 

But really the real answer to the real question is simple, Freedom. Games in my experience have always been censored to Hell and back, because even to this day video games are often seen as "Something for the Kids"! 

Coming to this site and installing the mods I find here is my way of telling Little Timmy and his parents to go fuck themselves! If I want a mod that enables me to go on and fuck the living shit out Lydia, I can and will install said mod! I am an adult, that does not give a flying fuck. Timmy is your child, you as his parent should protect and take care for him.

An evermore Souless and Heartless modern gaming industry should not be replacing you as a parent.

 

Don't get the wrong idea, I am not judging anyone with this statement (except for L. Timmy and his parents), do whatever the hell you want. You like seeing woman do a horse go right ahead, you like Lolis, go nuts! 

 

I don't like any of that stuff, not for me. But I don't care either.

Fantasy is Fantasy.

 

Those are my two cents!

 

Edit: Holly Horse Sandwich did I make a lot of mistakes typing this out! What the Hell!

[Khlas]

bestiality or whatever is against the rules of Patreon. If Turbo add bestiality, he will lose his patreon page. Also, the mod is known by Maxis/EA so it's not gonna happen.  You can always found another similar framework to unlock what you're looking for. Bestiality is nowhere to be banned it's just not supported by the framework you use. 

 

also the sims community doesn't like those kind of things, and it's understandable. In skyrim, it's more creatures, or monsters. In the sims, it's pets, so it's more a deviance than a fetish. 

[johnpage]

Loverslab sims 4 has become the domain of the antifun police, self policing the others through their own limeted perception of good.......

[snowdog04]

The guy who made the mod was banned, but it wasn't for the content.  

[DarkAudit]

Make a mod that adds it without using code from he-who-shall-not-be-named, and it'd probably be fine.

[Oops19]

EA and some forums target kids/teens while Skyrim is 18+. So a large part of the community should play TS4 with vanilla Woohoo. And they may prefer no violence and no strange behaviours or needs (like washing plates in the bathroom) in game.

If you want a mod which supports these animations go for Devious Desires at f95zone.to

 

I don't think that more than one Woohoo-like mod can survive here. Do not underestimate the power of the Emperor, or suffer ColonolNutty's fate you will. This also applies to animators who tag their animations with 'rough'.

[Qalefir]

I just think that dogs and cats do not interest many people to create this kind of mod and animation. If they add horses or real supernatural creature (not whisp or dusty bunny), maybe we will find more beast and monsters related mod here.
The Strangerville plants got more attention.

[TentacleBandit]

7 hours ago, RDA said:

The Strangerville plants got more attention.

 

Actually I was excited to see the strangeville plants get attention, as you know tentacles are kinda in the name lol.  I'd love it if somebody made a proper tentacle "invasion" sex mod inspired by hentai!  But that begs the question, would the sims community identify tentacles as beastiality or non-censentual? 

 

I mean to be fair most adventures go the long way around the swamp especially when their wearing chainmail bikinis lol.

[snowdog04]

1 hour ago, TentacleBandit said:

But that begs the question, would the sims community identify tentacles as beastiality or non-censentual?

Generally, it seems to be too absurdly unrealistic for most people to be upset by it, even if they're not into it.  The same thread that says "Please, no pet sex" does not mind the tentacle stuff at all, the usual reaction is "hey, where did you get that?"

The difference seems to be that there is nothing even remotely like this in the real world.  Even if you do manage to run afoul of a giant octopus, it isn't going to take a sexual interest in you, the danger is drowning and maybe being eaten.  We don't have cultural legends of tentacle rape.  The whole tentacle thing started in modern times, as a parody of Asian pornography laws-- graphic penetration of a penis into a vagina was forbidden, so cartoonists started depicting ridiculous insertions instead.

[Neodarkside]

On 4/23/2021 at 12:16 AM, snowdog04 said:

The guy who made the mod was banned, but it wasn't for the content.  

 

On 4/23/2021 at 1:34 AM, DarkAudit said:

Make a mod that adds it without using code from he-who-shall-not-be-named, and it'd probably be fine.

 

Only problem with that is the Deaderpool community won't allow it. They support WW and even help tech support it, but after he-who-shall-not-be-named was banned they flat out said, we will not allow any sort of bestiality content at all and any found in your load lists will result in a instant ban. So even if one was made to work with WW, there might be a bit of a rift there. I'm a bit paranoid because I downloaded the mod in the past when it was Wicked pets and removed it, then recently downloaded it just to be 100% certain I removed every trace of it, even now I'm still slightly paranoid about going to DP's discord to post a LE File. I have the content in Skyrim and Fallout and am fine with it, Sims I would be fine but well, content-creators-name-goes-here kinda left a bad taste in my mouth and I won't support them at all.

[TentacleBandit]

11 hours ago, Neodarkside said:

 

 

Only problem with that is the Deaderpool community won't allow it. They support WW and even help tech support it, but after he-who-shall-not-be-named was banned they flat out said, we will not allow any sort of bestiality content at all and any found in your load lists will result in a instant ban. So even if one was made to work with WW, there might be a bit of a rift there. I'm a bit paranoid because I downloaded the mod in the past when it was Wicked pets and removed it, then recently downloaded it just to be 100% certain I removed every trace of it, even now I'm still slightly paranoid about going to DP's discord to post a LE File. I have the content in Skyrim and Fallout and am fine with it, Sims I would be fine but well, content-creators-name-goes-here kinda left a bad taste in my mouth and I won't support them at all.

 

I actually had to google "deaderpool" and honestly I've avoided installing because it breaks other mods from modthesims, thankfully you can install it in components.  Still it would be nice if Maxis finally added story progression option.

 

As for the deaderpool community I hate hearing about any body that thinks they can police mods, especially based on personal preferences but I mean I guess its only an issue if you are part of the the deaderpool community?  Its funny I often find the people that police content they don't approve of, often have a hard drive full of it too.  But I understand this all goes back to drama drama between modders and I get that.

 

Really what we need is a basic WW animator mod much like pose player that does nothing else but play the animations on the location you pick -that way you don't need a "beastiality mod" or any other mod beyond that.   I once asked turbo about this and he didn't want to make a separate mod (fair enough) and just added a turn off switch to his mod but its still not the same thing, especially since if you do want to use any mods say for pregnancy they will still conflict with WW even if u just want it for animating.

[Oops19]

3 hours ago, TentacleBandit said:

Really what we need is a basic WW animator mod much like pose player that does nothing else but play the animations on the location you pick

Use Devious Desires by ColonolNutty but don't install the fetishes. You may still need to disable autonomy and cheat that sex statts instantly without relationship checks.

Just playing the animations without buffs etc. would be boring for me.

[Neodarkside]

13 hours ago, TentacleBandit said:

 

I actually had to google "deaderpool" and honestly I've avoided installing because it breaks other mods from modthesims, thankfully you can install it in components.  Still it would be nice if Maxis finally added story progression option.

 

As for the deaderpool community I hate hearing about any body that thinks they can police mods, especially based on personal preferences but I mean I guess its only an issue if you are part of the the deaderpool community?  Its funny I often find the people that police content they don't approve of, often have a hard drive full of it too.  But I understand this all goes back to drama drama between modders and I get that.

 

Really what we need is a basic WW animator mod much like pose player that does nothing else but play the animations on the location you pick -that way you don't need a "beastiality mod" or any other mod beyond that.   I once asked turbo about this and he didn't want to make a separate mod (fair enough) and just added a turn off switch to his mod but its still not the same thing, especially since if you do want to use any mods say for pregnancy they will still conflict with WW even if u just want it for animating.

 

I've stopped using many fix mods from other sites because the MCC did everything a dozen or so individual mods did all on its own. Besides WW its the number 1 most highly recommended mod for me. So easy to tweak things.

[TentacleBandit]

10 hours ago, Oops19 said:

Just playing the animations without buffs etc. would be boring for me.

 

Well for me its about story telling and creating videos or screenshots.  I don't really "play" the Sims games as much as I use them as story devices so thats why an animator is more useful for me much like pose player is.  I basically play with full cheats on NOT because I like to cheat (far from it) but because I need full control of the sims and game to make/take the screenshots/videos for my stories.

 

I actually find the gameplay of the Sims 4 somewhat boring as it is esp compared to Sims 3 which had a more active living world.  But the Sims 4 looks nice and makes for good story telling.

[Neodarkside]

 

9 hours ago, TentacleBandit said:

 

Well for me its about story telling and creating videos or screenshots.  I don't really "play" the Sims games as much as I use them as story devices so thats why an animator is more useful for me much like pose player is.  I basically play with full cheats on NOT because I like to cheat (far from it) but because I need full control of the sims and game to make/take the screenshots/videos for my stories.

 

I actually find the gameplay of the Sims 4 somewhat boring as it is esp compared to Sims 3 which had a more active living world.  But the Sims 4 looks nice and makes for good story telling.

 

I don't play the right way either, I at most age up 1-2 categories rarely. I do idea based gameplay and kinda do storytelling but I don't post stories or pics and mostly for my own amusement. For example, got an idea for a new story coming up I want to play thru. 2 Alien YA Sims in college, ones focused on furthering her career while her friend just wants to have fun and get laid. After college I wanted to make one into a distinguished police officers while the flirty one joins the force as well. (been wanting to play around with the police station animations and its amusing to have an officer having to much fun on her shift which frustrates her friend). I have stories for why the aliens look the way they do and for each color (even posted a Sim template family here with them).

 

Also I still think you'd prefer Deaderpools MCCC. It will do exactly what you want, basically full cheats minus remembering the codes and all down to a right click on a sim. Can age up, add inspiration points, change clothing, change sims looks, etc etc.

[snowdog04]

14 hours ago, Neodarkside said:

Also I still think you'd prefer Deaderpools MCCC. It will do exactly what you want, basically full cheats minus remembering the codes and all down to a right click on a sim. Can age up, add inspiration points, change clothing, change sims looks, etc etc.

Agreed.  All those mods that it conflicts with?  You won't need them anyway.  Because they do one small thing that MCCC does already.  Pregnancy Mega Mod?  MCCC does everything that does.  Change the speed of the game clock?  You can do that with MCCC.  I see mods all the time, and it's like, "Why?  Just get MCCC, it already does that."

[Darkening Demise]

Sims 3 modding was more obscene than Sims 4 which is more puritan.

[Neodarkside]

3 hours ago, snowdog04 said:

Agreed.  All those mods that it conflicts with?  You won't need them anyway.  Because they do one small thing that MCCC does already.  Pregnancy Mega Mod?  MCCC does everything that does.  Change the speed of the game clock?  You can do that with MCCC.  I see mods all the time, and it's like, "Why?  Just get MCCC, it already does that."

 

Yeah, I even went thru my mod folder long time ago and compared a bunch to MCCC and found that it already did half of them so deleted them.

[TentacleBandit]

20 hours ago, Neodarkside said:

Also I still think you'd prefer Deaderpools MCCC. It will do exactly what you want, basically full cheats minus remembering the codes and all down to a right click on a sim. Can age up, add inspiration points, change clothing, change sims looks, etc etc.

 

I actually just use UI Cheats mod and find it does everything I need.

[Neodarkside]

7 hours ago, TentacleBandit said:

 

I actually just use UI Cheats mod and find it does everything I need.

 

Fair enough, just thought I'd save you maybe a bit of time as the mod does everything the cheats can do plus ones it can't.

[TentacleBandit]

On 4/27/2021 at 10:07 PM, Neodarkside said:

 

Fair enough, just thought I'd save you maybe a bit of time as the mod does everything the cheats can do plus ones it can't.

 

No honestly thank you, I appreciate any advice!  I was just clarifying what I am and am not looking for, I actually used MC again for first time today just to check out what I'm missing and honestly I feel like its the type of mod I'd install when I need a specific function again.

 

On a slightly different note but back on topic, I've been joining various discords as I'm playing Sims 4 more now and I'SHOCKED how many have rules stating "if your found using beastiality mods" you can be banned.  I'm really shocked to find this in modding community which has always been install/play with whatever mods you want - personal choice.

 

Now I do understand this goes back to drama between modders and but I do believe that NO gamer has the right to dictate what mods another gamer puts in their game unless it effects them directly (like an online competitive game that gives advantages).

 

I also hate reading articles or comments by people stating that playing video games with nonconsentual sex or questionable content like beastiality will make them do these acts in real life.  Wait what?  Did they just blame video games for sexual violence?

 

In the last 20 years people have been trying to blame video games with ZERO evidence to prove games cause people to act it out in real life (whatever it is) if its a violent or illegal act (such as beastiality or noncensent) every study on this topic has proven thats indeed false.  There is no correlation but now we have a part of a hyper sensitive and "cancel" culture sims community declaring that mods cause violence or illegal acts...seriously!?

 

If that was true street walkers around the world would be run over daily by all the millions of people that play GTA and anybody that has basemental drugs mod would have become drug dealers in real life by that mentality.  The only thing that these studies have proven is that people that are going to commit acts of violence are going to do them regardless of their exposure to media of whatever form (back in the 70 and 80's it was movies that were blamed, even books and board games!)

 

I actually found a topic blasting WW because it features too many sexual animations that aren't "intimate enough" and made for men.  First off thats NOT WW fault - don't they realize when they download an animators animations its a different person?  Why are they blaming WW for that??  Plus the majority of animations ARE MADE by men, so is it any wonder?? 

 

Its like if anybody can find an excuse to complain or hate on things they will these days.  I don't get it.

 

Anyway this whole thing seems like a situation of hyper sensitive corner of the sims community trying to dictate what mods people should and should not do use, including some sensitive about WW too.   Thing is if you don't like some animations or subject matters, nobody is forcing people to download rough bj animations or tell other people they shouldn't.

 

Its like there is this strange disconnect with the Sims community and the rest of the gaming world.

[johnpage]

Totally agree with you 100% about time someone put it into words ITS a game for f sake, my happy little simmies love everyone and everything and i absolutly hate anyone dictating to me what i can and cannot have in MY GAME which i payed good money for, this world is too full of of dictotorial people telling you what you can and cant have i like most people on this planet and in the universe for that matter have one thing in common we all have free will to do with as we see fit respecting others of course if someone has a different opinion to me thats fine but i am entitled to mine too so thats ok as well as for the animations hell i use them all lol my simmies are like pidgeons..always at it.

[Neodarkside]

Well, the act IRL is illegal in the US. So I would imagine for a legal purpose some sites don't want anything to do with it. I've seen LL get blasted a few places for allowing it for Skyrim and Fallout. It also kinda stems from the creator of the Bestiality mod for Sims. I do not have proof other than verbal from others, but it sounds like his mod that also had Bestiality for Sims also allowed for sex acts with child sims. Besides that it was also found a lot of code was copied, etc etc etc. So Deaderpools Discord flat out refuses to help if they find any mod from him or that allow Bestiality.

 

The IRL vs Video games has always been a battle, I grew up with the Magic the Gathering is Evil, D&D is Evil, Video games are Evil, BS for the first half of my life and it hasn't changed. They always want to point the finger at the video games and not things that may or may not be the real cause (shitty parenting? lack of laws? demon possession? :P)

 

As for me, I probably would keep the bestiality mod in my Sims 4, problem is, I hate how it works. I'd use it maybe for story progression ideas but just not a fan of it. Also as I mentioned above, didn't like what else he did to get banned so I cannot condone using it.

[Oops19]

30 minutes ago, Neodarkside said:

it sounds like his mod that also had Bestiality for Sims also allowed for sex acts with child sims. Besides that it was also found a lot of code was copied, etc etc etc

 

ATF allows smaller rigs to interact and it requires a mod from here, not DD, to work. Its author may not like that its mod is 'abused' in this way but it's no reason to claim otherwise. I expect that DD will be used sooner or later by ATF as DD is much more structured and easy to extend.

 

About 150 lines of code were equal in a similar mod from here and DD half a year ago. Anyhow only import statements or variable initialisations were identical. No logic involved.

I can say this as I decompiled both and fed a Copy&Paste detector with it.

 

PS: I looked into a mod from here trying to understand how some things (don't) work but with all imports and calls this code couldn't be simply copied/extracted to isolate the functionality. Code like this is very hard to maintain and may require a fix after ever game update.