toys Toys&Love LE & SE

dewos35421 · July 9, 2022

Can you reverse-pickpocket toys onto NPCs?

*VirginMarie* · July 9, 2022

1 hour ago, dewos35421 said:

Can you reverse-pickpocket toys onto NPCs?

I'm not sure what that means.

You can equip toys like vanilla armor on the player or NPCs, so if you can reverse-pickpocket vanilla armor onto NPCs, you can do so with toys too.

*VirginMarie* · July 11, 2022

9 minutes ago, leesjig said:

Its hard now to take advantage of toys in melted state to keep warm up in the mountains freezing her ass off...to keep melted very long cause the Rousal bar just get demolished if you get one denial failure during spontaneous orgasm. You mean to change like that...its impossible to keep bar full to keep body warm. why.?

There was no intentional change.

To prevent climax (which is when rousing drops hard), you always had to deny each squirt/orgasm.

Something that did change is that Spontaneous O went from being a custom scene (Toys played it on its own all along), to using the new Toys&Love Love scenes. Maybe with that change, there's more stages and/or higher chance of squirts, thus more of them to deny than before. I'm not sure. Don't really think so.

I think what's happening is you are getting more oversexed than before we had Love in Toys&Love. More oversexed means more chance for denial to fail. There's now more things contributing to oversexed. I agreed with you... for me, it feels like it's harder now, but I always tell my husband its better when its hard.

Two possible remedies... 1) get the Oversexed Cure Potion. Currently only way to get it is one of the Trials in Toy Story. 2) increase the Oversexed Max in MCM.

Maybe I need to make denial fail less (i.e. more tolerant to oversexed). Got any ideas? I think the jury might be out on if it's needing balancing or not. I will try to watch while playtesting more myself. It does make the Oversexed Cure Potion useful. Maybe just need more ways to get that potion. Maybe somebody talk @Scrab into adding the potion in Toyful Temptations.

pnutz78 · July 12, 2022

Hi everyone,

trying out the toys framework for the first time and so far everything seems to work as expected- except for the ball gag not opening my mouth. The ball hangs somewhere under my closed moth somewhat merged with the chin. Is this a known issue or is there some sort of dependency that I may have not installed? I did run bodyslide and all other devices look fine. Thx for your help!

*VirginMarie* · July 12, 2022

56 minutes ago, pnutz78 said:

Hi everyone,

trying out the toys framework for the first time and so far everything seems to work as expected- except for the ball gag not opening my mouth. The ball hangs somewhere under my closed moth somewhat merged with the chin. Is this a known issue or is there some sort of dependency that I may have not installed? I did run bodyslide and all other devices look fine. Thx for your help!

Gag Mouth / Expressions not working

pnutz78 · July 13, 2022

55 minutes ago, VirginMarie said:

Gag Mouth / Expressions not working

Thx @VirginMariefor the quick response but none of these work for me. I am not using the Special Edition and I am not using the Anniversary edition (I assume that is what SE and AE in your link are referring to). I use regular LE or oldrim. So I do not understand what that MFG fix is and whether or not I need it: JContainers, SKSE, PapyrusUtil are all the right versions for LE. Tried to change it using the MCM settings in Toys and love: nothing. Tried the racemenu bug fix: nothing. Maybe I am missing something here but seems to be another problem.

pnutz78 · July 13, 2022

27 minutes ago, pnutz78 said:

Thx @VirginMariefor the quick response but none of these work for me. I am not using the Special Edition and I am not using the Anniversary edition (I assume that is what SE and AE in your link are referring to). I use regular LE or oldrim. So I do not understand what that MFG fix is and whether or not I need it: JContainers, SKSE, PapyrusUtil are all the right versions for LE. Tried to change it using the MCM settings in Toys and love: nothing. Tried the racemenu bug fix: nothing. Maybe I am missing something here but seems to be another problem.

These are the mods I am using:
#Mod_Priority,#Mod_Status,#Mod_Name
"0000","+","DLC: HighResTexturePack03"
"0001","+","DLC: HighResTexturePack02"
"0002","+","DLC: HighResTexturePack01"
"0003","+","DLC: HearthFires"
"0004","+","DLC: Dragonborn"
"0005","+","DLC: Dawnguard"
"0008","+","AddItemMenu - Ultimate Mod Explorer"
"0010","+","Alternate Start - Live Another Life"
"0012","+","Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim"
"0013","+","Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch"
"0019","+","Billyy's SLAL Animations 5.7"
"0021","+","BodySlide and Outfit Studio"
"0024","+","Calientes Beautiful Bodies Edition -CBBE-"
"0034","+","Crash Fixes v12 - Beta 4-72725-12"
"0068","+","Extra Encounters Reborn - All Versions"
"0069","+","Falskaar"
"0071","+","FNIS Behavior 7_6 XXL"
"0072","+","FNIS Creature Pack 7.6"
"0074","+","FNIS Spells V5_0_1"
"0075","+","FunnyBiz SLAL - RAPE REDUX.1.0"
"0076","+","Fuz Ro D-oh - Silent Voice"
"0078","+","HDT Physics Extensions"
"0081","+","High Level Enemies 1.6"
"0083","+","Individualized Shout Cooldowns"
"0084","+","JContainers"
"0101","+","OneTweak"
"0102","+","Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim"
"0104","+","PapyrusUtil - Modders Scripting Utility Functions"
"0107","+","Populated Cities Towns Villages Reborn"
"0112","+","RaceMenu v3-4-5"
"0114","+","Random Vampire Attacks in Towns Disabled"
"0120","+","Rebalanced Encounter Zones - Full"
"0121","+","Remodeled Armor CBBE Bodyslide HDT - Replacer"
"0122","+","Run For Your Lives"
"0138","+","SKSE"
"0139","+","SKSE scripts"
"0145","+","SkyTweak"
"0146","+","SkyUI_5_1"
"0148","+","SLAL Animations by Leito v1.6"
"0149","+","SLAL_Anub Human 3.2020_RAPE-REDUX-0-5"
"0159","+","SOS - Schlongs of Skyrim - 3.00.004"
"0165","+","Thunderchild - Dragon Language Words Patch"
"0166","+","Thunderchild - Epic Shouts and Immersion"
"0169","+","UIExtensions v1-2-0"
"0171","+","Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch"
"0177","+","XP32 Maximum Skeleton Extended"
"0179","+","Toys_Framework_LE_V2.21"
"0180","+","Toys Starter LovePack LE V1.0"
"0181","+","WildLife for Toys LE V1.0"
"0182","+","Toys_Bodyslide_LE_CBBE_V2.01"
"0183","+","SLaVE Bodyslide LE CBBE v8.0"
"0184","+","SLaVE_LE_V9.1"
"0185","+","ToyfulTemptations 2.0.1"
"0186","+","Toys LoreFitting MusicPack v1.1"
"0187","+","Toys Realistic LoveCum Pack V1,0"
"0188","+","Sanguine Toy Box SE&LE V1.0"
"0189","+","FNIS generated SLAV"
"0190","+","Bodyslide generated SLAV"

*VirginMarie* · July 13, 2022

1 hour ago, pnutz78 said:

Thx @VirginMariefor the quick response but none of these work for me. I am not using the Special Edition and I am not using the Anniversary edition (I assume that is what SE and AE in your link are referring to).

I use regular LE or oldrim. So I do not understand what that MFG fix is and whether or not I need it: JContainers, SKSE, PapyrusUtil are all the right versions for LE. Tried to change it using the MCM settings in Toys and love: nothing. Tried the racemenu bug fix: nothing. Maybe I am missing something here but seems to be another problem.

If using LE, there's no requirement for MFGfix. The rest of that link still applies.

People almost never have problems in LE, as the 2 main issues listed there don't happen. So I agree that its something else.

The basics to see if Toys&Love is installed fine...

Did you start a new game? When install instructions say start a new game, do I really need to start a new game?
What happens if you run the Toys&Love - MCM - Setup tab - Installation test? Pass or fail? Steps to fix if the test in MCM Fails

If that does not help, need a clearer idea on your problem. Screenshot would help to see your problem.

Also we need your papyrus log for a game session where you....

load your most recent save from testing this... Run the above mentioned Installation test... remove the gag if one is there... put a gag on... exit game to desktop.... Grab that log.

How to get a Papyrus Log?

Edited July 13, 2022 by VirginMarie

pnutz78 · July 13, 2022

8 hours ago, VirginMarie said:

If using LE, there's no requirement for MFGfix. The rest of that link still applies.

People almost never have problems in LE, as the 2 main issues listed there don't happen. So I agree that its something else.

The basics to see if Toys&Love is installed fine...

Did you start a new game? When install instructions say start a new game, do I really need to start a new game?

What happens if you run the Toys&Love - MCM - Setup tab - Installation test? Pass or fail? Steps to fix if the test in MCM Fails

If that does not help, need a clearer idea on your problem. Screenshot would help to see your problem.

Also we need your papyrus log for a game session where you....

load your most recent save from testing this... Run the above mentioned Installation test... remove the gag if one is there... put a gag on... exit game to desktop.... Grab that log.

How to get a Papyrus Log?

on 1.) yes, I started a new game

on 2.) yes, I performed the installation test and the solo sex scene played fine (pass)

attached: screenshot of Toys config (seems normal), screenshot of the gag not opening mouth and papyrus.log

Papyrus.0.log

*VirginMarie* · July 13, 2022

4 hours ago, pnutz78 said:

on 1.) yes, I started a new game

on 2.) yes, I performed the installation test and the solo sex scene played fine (pass)

attached: screenshot of Toys config (seems normal), screenshot of the gag not opening mouth and papyrus.log

Aside from Toys complaining that it can't execute expressions, your log is very clean.

The reason expressions wont work is revealed here...

[07/13/2022 - 06:20:44AM] Cannot open store for class "mfgconsolefunc", missing file?
[07/13/2022 - 06:20:44AM] Error: Unable to obtain function call information - returning None
stack:
    [toysframework (08000800)].toyslib.ToysSetExpression() - "ToysLib.psc" Line 783

You need to add... Mfg Console.

What's happened is:

After Toys recently became Toys&Love, it no longer required Sexlab
You are not running Sexlab, which is fine, but related
Sexlab must package MfgConsole with it. But I thought it's part of PapyrusUtil so I did not list MfgConsole as a requirement
This likely has not come up yet because I think its rare to not have Sexlab
Seems you are first to install in LE without Sexlab (or at least the first to then report the lacking expressions)
I test and mostly play without Sexlab, and I do have the files from MfgConsole, so I'm not sure why I have MfgConsole, but I must have installed it separately at some point

Sorry for this hassle. Its my fault for having the requirement not listed. I'm very glad you reported it and persisted with providing more info! thank you

Now to go update the requirements listed.... !

Betaaa · July 13, 2022

Hello, i really like your Hair of your character can i ask wich Hair mod you use ?

pnutz78 · July 13, 2022

5 hours ago, VirginMarie said:
Aside from Toys complaining that it can't execute expressions, your log is very clean.

The reason expressions wont work is revealed here...
[07/13/2022 - 06:20:44AM] Cannot open store for class "mfgconsolefunc", missing file?
[07/13/2022 - 06:20:44AM] Error: Unable to obtain function call information - returning None
stack:
    [toysframework (08000800)].toyslib.ToysSetExpression() - "ToysLib.psc" Line 783
You need to add... Mfg Console.

What's happened is:

After Toys recently became Toys&Love, it no longer required Sexlab

You are not running Sexlab, which is fine, but related

Sexlab must package MfgConsole with it. But I thought it's part of PapyrusUtil so I did not list MfgConsole as a requirement

This likely has not come up yet because I think its rare to not have Sexlab

Seems you are first to install in LE without Sexlab (or at least the first to then report the lacking expressions)

I test and mostly play without Sexlab, and I do have the files from MfgConsole, so I'm not sure why I have MfgConsole, but I must have installed it separately at some point

Sorry for this hassle. Its my fault for having the requirement not listed. I'm very glad you reported it and persisted with providing more info! thank you

Now to go update the requirements listed.... !

No problem! I am so glad there was a solution AND me not being an idiot ?. Glad I could help find a little issue and yes normally I have Sexlab running ofcourse, but I read you no longer need it so I was going for the slimmest set of mods that I wanted to use here. Will test this right away with MFG Console. Definitely have it somewhere just not active in this MO profile. Really appreciate you looking into this so quickly- Thank You!

*VirginMarie* · July 13, 2022

2 hours ago, Betaaa said:

Hello, i really like your Hair of your character can i ask wich Hair mod you use ?

KS Hairdos - Hair is called "Traveler" or something like that

*VirginMarie* · July 15, 2022

2 hours ago, leesjig said:

I was farting around with stripping...mcm>toys&love>stripping. These I've marked in picture seem to have no effect on the sp. or/love scene.

Seen in picture I have off so these slots should not be stripped during sp. or/love animation, but everything get stripped anyway. Could you make those active in the mcm so I can have control over those slots. stripping or/no stripping. Could you give control to measly ol me...?

Even the Sweet skooma plug(locked) is getting stripped.

You have misunderstood. Stripping Tab in MCM is for non-toys. Toys on the player are handled special, as per the Love Tab.

Even the Sweet skooma plug(locked) is getting stripped... No its being phased and still protecting.

Everything is working as intended. Read the highlight tips in the first pic, and for the whole section in the 2nd pic (do that in game).

Marajade · July 16, 2022

If I want to use Devious Devices in addition to Toys, what is the best way to do that? I like using DCL, will using Toys mods be possible without breaking anything too badly?

*VirginMarie* · July 16, 2022

1 hour ago, Marajade said:

If I want to use Devious Devices in addition to Toys, what is the best way to do that? I like using DCL, will using Toys mods be possible without breaking anything too badly?

Yes

Look at the poll up top. Shows 70% of Toys&Love users are also using DD.

Read this... Toys&Love - Tips

SkyTem · July 17, 2022

I love what you've done with this mod ! Just had one suggestion though. In a future version of this mod could you possibly include struggle/escape animations for when you're character is trying to escape from furniture they're bound too or is unlocking equipped toys? There are some pretty good struggle/escape animations in 2 other mods by the modder Kimy. "Deviously Cursed Loot" and "Devious Devices LE 5.0" by Kimy have good examples of this. Just a suggestion. Take care and thank you again for all your cool mods ?! Here is the links to those other 2 mods for information:

Edited July 17, 2022 by SkyTem

*VirginMarie* · July 17, 2022

43 minutes ago, SkyTem said:

I love what you've done with this mod ! Just had one suggestion though. In a future version of this mod could you possibly include struggle/escape animations for when you're character is trying to escape from furniture they're bound too or is unlocking equipped toys? There are some pretty good struggle/escape animations in 2 other mods by the modder Kimy. "Deviously Cursed Loot" and "Devious Devices LE 5.0" by Kimy have good examples of this. Just a suggestion. Take care and thank you again for all your cool mods ?! Here is the links to those other 2 mods for information:

character is trying to escape from furniture

Toys&Love is not taking care of furniture. Maybe one day, but its not now.

If you are seeing furniture scenes, that would only be custom scenes in SLaVE. SLaVE is doing it on its own, not using any framework. Not sure if there's fitting animations for those. If there is, might be possible, but first need to identify the author of the animations and get permission.

character is unlocking equipped toys

When you unlock a toy in Toys&Love, there's no menu, no pop-up, no mini-game, no struggling game. That's intentional of course. We wanted to do this very differently. Toys instead has other non-tedious methods of escape, like knocked off in combat, blow out by orgasm, waiting for the toy to transform due to rousing and other things before a key can work. So I think animations for a struggle are not fitting, as there's no struggle going on in the first place. You have a key, you use it. Done.

Betaaa · July 18, 2022

On 7/14/2022 at 12:08 AM, VirginMarie said:

KS Hairdos - Hair is called "Traveler" or something like that

Thank you

*Talesien* · July 19, 2022

Say, back in May when you included that buff fail save, are you 100% certain you didn't go overboard with it?

I've been plagued by a problem for weeks now. Movement speed buffs wouldn't stick. No matter if my movement speed got increased by spell, magic item, mod effect or console it would only last so-and-so long (from a couple seconds till the next cell change) and then I was back at 100 again. Worse if the speed buff ended, I was slowed down by the % that I should've been had (so if I should've been a speed of 120 and then the buff expired I now dropped from 100 to 80 rather than 120 to 100), very, very annoying. Recently I noticed there is on source of speed buffs that do stick, those from toys (like +30 from the exotic ankle irons). So I made a new profile, removed all Toy family mods (also had to remove DynDolod and DDC, but I doubt those messed with my movement speed) and all of a sudden all movement speed buffs worked again the way they should.

Now that's not conclusive proof, but I think it's enough of a case to ask you to double check your code please.

Edited July 19, 2022 by Talesien

*VirginMarie* · July 19, 2022

53 minutes ago, Talesien said:

Say, back in May when you included that buff fail save, are you 100% certain you didn't go overboard with it?

I've been plagued by a problem for weeks now. Movement speed buffs wouldn't stick. No matter if my movement speed got increased by spell, magic item, mod effect or console it would only last so-and-so long (from a couple seconds till the next cell change) and then I was back at 100 again. Worse if the speed buff ended, I was slowed down by the % that I should've been had (so if I should've been a speed of 120 and then the buff expired I now dropped from 100 to 80 rather than 120 to 100), very, very annoying. Recently I noticed there is on source of speed buffs that do stick, those from toys (like +30 from the exotic ankle irons). So I made a new profile, removed all Toy family mods (also had to remove DynDolod and DDC, but I doubt those messed with my movement speed) and all of a sudden all movement speed buffs worked again the way they should.

Now that's not conclusive proof, but I think it's enough of a case to ask you to double check your code please.

What the fail safe does is, if the speed would be waaaaay out of range by setting what it's about to set, it does not do it, so you don't end up with a ridiculous very slow or very fast scenario, at least not from Toys. This should not be capable of doing anything bad, but I will check into it.

What I've been fighting with:

AE most certainly, from what I can tell, screws it up. I can't do it in SE. For example I've seen a console command get ignored consistently, once AE gets into some state. Don't know what triggers the bad state though. If I can figure that out I might be able to avoid it, but that wont stop other mods.
Some mod in my LO is wracking it out of range, I think likely due to #1. Most likely its Frostfall, but as mentioned, I'm blaming AE as being more likely and FF is just a victim, same as Toys was before the fail safe.

So yes I will keep trying to make it better if I can, and watch and make sure I did not "over do it". Been fighting with this a long time. thought its fixed now So your report is news.

I will assume you have been using the latest v2.21 version, but let me know if otherwise.

Edited July 19, 2022 by VirginMarie

*Talesien* · July 19, 2022

37 minutes ago, VirginMarie said:

What the fail safe does is, if the speed would be waaaaay out of range by setting what it's about to set, it does not do it, so you don't end up with a ridiculous very slow or very fast scenario, at least not from Toys. This should not be capable of doing anything bad, but I will check into it.

What I've been fighting with:

AE most certainly, from what I can tell, screws it up. I can't do it in SE. For example I've seen a console command get ignored consistently, once AE gets into some state. Don't know what triggers the bad state though. If I can figure that out I might be able to avoid it, but that wont stop other mods.

Some mod in my LO is wracking it out of range, I think likely due to #1. Most likely its Frostfall, but as mentioned, I'm blaming AE as being more likely and FF is just a victim, same as Toys was before the fail safe.

So yes I will keep trying to make it better if I can, and watch and make sure I did not "over do it". Been fighting with this a long time. thought its fixed now So your report is news.

I will assume you have been using the latest v2.21 version, but let me know if otherwise.

Yes I'm using V2.21, I'm also still on 1.597, so it's no AE shenanigans.

I will try to create a testgame with as few other mods as possible and see if I can recreate the problem in that. Might have to wait till the weekend though as I've a high workload this week.

I'm kinda suspecting other mods to be involved, as I'm running a large LO. Still, the indications are there. From the timing (starting around early to mid June) to Toys buffs being the only ones to stick and the removal of the Toys framework to fix the problem. Nothing of that proves it's purely the fault of your Framework, but I'm pretty convinced it's involved in a critical way.

Edited July 19, 2022 by Talesien

*VirginMarie* · July 19, 2022

14 hours ago, Talesien said:

Yes I'm using V2.21, I'm also still on 1.597, so it's no AE shenanigans.

I will try to create a testgame with as few other mods as possible and see if I can recreate the problem in that. Might have to wait till the weekend though as I've a high workload this week.

I'm kinda suspecting other mods to be involved, as I'm running a large LO. Still, the indications are there. From the timing (starting around early to mid June) to Toys buffs being the only ones to stick and the removal of the Toys framework to fix the problem. Nothing of that proves it's purely the fault of your Framework, but I'm pretty convinced it's involved in a critical way.

You may not need to go to the effort, as I have some ideas on what could be the cause. Problem is, I don't know how to fix without the AE problem returning, but maybe I can MCM it.

*Talesien* · July 19, 2022

56 minutes ago, VirginMarie said:

You may not need to go to the effort, as I have some ideas on what could be the cause. Problem is, I don't know how to fix without the AE problem returning, but maybe I can MCM it.

That sounds great, of course. If there is any way I can assist, let me know.

waehuun · July 22, 2022

Hi. I have the following problem; the bound running and sprinting animation when combat-running is not working.

The character has her fists in front of her body and not in the bounds.

All other running animations work perfectly fine, including running and sprinting when not combat ready, or kicking in combat.

What may make this complicated is that I use a lot of mods.

See attached for a modlist and Papyrus log.

modlist.txt Papyrus.1.log

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