Submissive Lola: The Resubmission LE/SE

[Talesien]

5 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

Side effects are worth thinking about.  For example, this mod assumes that food and potions have been removed from inventory if a gag is equipped, because that's how it's always worked.  If that changes, the assumption wouldn't be correct.  Depending on the version of DD, those items might or might not be present, which could be a real headache for mod developers.  It would be worthwhile to have DD take a consistent approach, whatever that turns out to be, and developers can target that.  If DD is to consistently remove consumables when gagged across all versions, I can update the mod accordingly.  Of course, there are a lot of older mods still in use (many of which are SE mods, since SE has been around for a good while), so maintaining current functionality for backwards compatibility would cause the least amount of disruption.

While I'm reluctant to derail this threat with DD discussion ... I always felt like the removal of inventory might be a simple solution, but a terrible one. It's a shortcut, and like many shortcuts, it comes with a number of drawbacks. Why is it that I can't put potions into storage, because I'm gagged? Why is it that I can't sell food or potions while gagged (but everything else)?
Sometimes it might be worthwhile to break with things. Of course, in an ideal scenario both options would be present (and configurable either during install or preferably in an MCM), so players can choose what's best for their setup.

[Hex Bolt]

11 hours ago, kapibar said:

I do however use a voicepack.

Voicepacks are okay, as long as they don't contain an ESP file, or if that file doesn't mess with dialog (which it shouldn't need to do).

 

11 hours ago, kapibar said:

Save -> Load MCM messes with both Wartimes and SLS. It is conceivable that the same thing happens with Lola and I do use import settings function.

If you're using SLTR's import/export, you should be okay.  Really, even a botched setting shouldn't prevent that animation from working.

 

9 hours ago, Talesien said:

While I'm reluctant to derail this threat with DD discussion ... I always felt like the removal of inventory might be a simple solution, but a terrible one.

I'm trying not to derail the discussion too, so I'll keep it short.  I agree with you.  I had to make SLTR block the "rustic meal" event when the PC is gagged because DD removes the ingredients (surprise!).  It would be nice (and more intuitive) if DD didn't do that, but if the versions of DD aren't consistent, developers won't know what to expect.  If DD 5.3 were to adopt the new approach, I'm fine with that.  At that time, I'd just remove that restriction in SLTR and warn players to be on DD 5.3 (whenever it's released).  Conceivably, some unmaintained mods might be affected, and there's the separate question of whether changing a native function is a good idea, but these are matters for DD development.

[kapibar]

6 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

Voicepacks are okay, as long as they don't contain an ESP file, or if that file doesn't mess with dialog (which it shouldn't need to do).

Weeeeellll... they do. As for messing - this I can't confirm nor deny.

 

7 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

If you're using SLTR's import/export, you should be okay.  Really, even a botched setting shouldn't prevent that animation from working.

Like I said, a stretch, but it was worth to drop this idea.

So, we have to assume I encountered/developed a rare bug that is exclusive to my setup.

[kapibar]

Oh, and I'll leave you with a suggestion. There's a quest in Devious Didhna where you're turned into vampire through a series of feeding rapes. The cool feature of this quest is that there's a draining effect (a moan is probably the best way to describe it) and PC is "dizzy" afterwards. After all, vampire feeding is rather brutal loss of blood. I believe this would be in tune with your recent developments for vampire masters. I know there's a debuff, but quite frankly debuffs are so common they're barely noticeable at some point. Or maybe you would consider some kind of visual effect (like in SL Deadly Drain) to differentiate feeding from a normal sex act?

[Hex Bolt]

17 minutes ago, kapibar said:

The cool feature of this quest is that there's a draining effect (a moan is probably the best way to describe it) and PC is "dizzy" afterwards. After all, vampire feeding is rather brutal loss of blood.

Probably not a dizzy effect, because some players really don't like that.  I guess the feeding could be brutal, but the owner has a captive food source and can go easy.  A common view is that it's sensual, not particularly painful or debilitating.  Lola has to be strong enough for prostitution and other fun activities.

 

21 minutes ago, kapibar said:

Or maybe you would consider some kind of visual effect (like in SL Deadly Drain) to differentiate feeding from a normal sex act?

I already have a note to consider something like that.  For timing, it would probably have to be linked to owner orgasm, so simple vampiric feeding animations would miss out (but then they're the ones least in need of something special).

[kapibar]

15 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

I already have a note to consider something like that.  For timing, it would probably have to be linked to owner orgasm, so simple vampiric feeding animations would miss out (but then they're the ones least in need of something special).

Honestly, I can't for the life of me get the vamp feeding anims to work. I have them, registered via SLAL, but they just refuse to work. Suppose too many animations, will have to do something about it at some point. But I digress. Dunno if it's possible, but you could consider using animation stage as a trigger for the effect.
 

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Lola has to be strong enough for prostitution and other fun activities.

Well, she's a Dragonborn, by definition, so strength is the one thing she has in spades ?.

Edit:

@HexBolt8 Unfortunately, I have another problem. The events get blocked for unknown reason. Everything works fine until it doesn't.

On every load, when starting servitude dialogue (may I be of service) I get response "finish the task that I gave you," and then events go into suspension. When I manually unlock them, I can successfully activate the dialogue, but on reload it's the same story yet again. It happened once already and I reloaded earlier save.

I don't see any specific trigger for this problem other than change of locations.

Edited November 14, 2023 by kapibar

[Hex Bolt]

On 11/13/2023 at 4:01 PM, kapibar said:

Unfortunately, I have another problem. The events get blocked for unknown reason. Everything works fine until it doesn't.

For anyone reading, I worked with kapibar privately.  Pet Project seemed to be the problem.

[Hex Bolt]

A general comment about how SLTR handles DHLP suspend/resume, prompted by looking into the Pet Project problem:

 

SLTR tries to play nice with other mods by listening for DHLP Suspend events, which are used by many LoversLab mods to signal that a "deviously helpless" event is starting, and thus other mods should refrain from reacting.  If a condition such as nudity triggers one mod to start a rape or enslavement event, sending DHLP Suspend warns other mods not to also react to the PC's helplessness.  As an example, Simple Slavery sends DHLP Suspend when the PC arrives in the slave pen, and it sends DHLP Resume when the auction finishes.  We don't want other mods to attempt rape or enslavement during the short time when the PC is in that setting.  This mechanism is intended for short events (otherwise, other mods could be essentially shut down for hours or days of game time).

 

When SLTR receives DHLP Suspend from another mod, it blocks itself from starting new events (an ongoing event will still continue).  If that other mod never sends DHLP Resume, then SLTR remains in a blocked state (as @kapibar described a couple of posts up, "the events get blocked for unknown reason").  If you encounter this situation, there are two things you can do.

 

1.  Try to identify which mod and which of its events or quests might have used Suspend without getting around to sending Resume.  If you think you know, politely pass that information along to the mod author.  Ideally, the problem will get fixed at the source.

 

2.  If you're sure that the problem isn't going to fix itself (many mods use an internal timeout after a game hour or two to eventually stop a stuck event), you can use SLTR's MCM System page.  At the bottom (scroll down), click "Reset DHLP Suspend" to manually send the DHLP Resume mod event.  Be careful.  This affects all mods that listen for DHLP Suspend and Resume.  Next, click "Unblock events", which you'll find a few lines up.  SLTR events will then be able to start.

Edited November 16, 2023 by HexBolt8

[kapibar]

Thank you, Hex, you helped me immensely. Pet Project is quite delicate and it sometimes suffers from hiccups because the events get started through dialogue (which can be interrupted) and in some conditions the dialogue will fail to trigger, which renders both SLTR and PP unusable. I wouldn't have figured it out without your input on internal mechanics of your work. For everyone's information - Pet Project and Lola are compatible for the most part, provided you don't rush the former. There is one incompatibility though - PP's events are quite long and if you get an event that's very long, it can cause SLTR daily servitude quota to fail - for obvious reason. There's no time to do master's bidding.

[Anywww1]

hello, I get a stuck when the spank event is triggered. No spanking animation, my master can have a dialog, but he's standing still and not following me. I use the Sexlab Survival but no Spank That Ass. can someone tell me what to do?

[Hex Bolt]

2 hours ago, Anywww1 said:

No spanking animation, my master can have a dialog, but he's standing still and not following me. I use the Sexlab Survival but no Spank That Ass. can someone tell me what to do?

There are two recommendations for spanking animations listed on the mod page.  Install one of them and run FNIS.

[kapibar]

10 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

There are two recommendations for spanking animations listed on the mod page.  Install one of them and run FNIS.

Since the subject was raised... If I'm not wrong, SLTR is already using SlaveTats to apply tears. Maybe you would consider also adding bruised ass effect through ST after the spanking?

[Anywww1]

22 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

There are two recommendations for spanking animations listed on the mod page. Install one of them and run FNIS.

Not this, I have already install both two spanking animations listed and run FNIS. It's more like a script getting stuck. I have modified the content of push spank or whip in vkjmq to always trigger whip. It seems no problem.

[Gudulba]

I have just completed a playthrough with this wonderful mod (including Kalmah's extension, which still worked and integrated surprisingly well). Two questions I got:

 

- Is it possible to define a playmate before the Lola quest starts? Like it is possible to define the mistress beforehand? I am asking because the playmate option seems to be greyed out before the quest starts. It would be nice to meet both the mistress and the playmate at the same time when a Lola Simple Slavery outcome starts.

 

- Regarding the nude rule (where the mistress forbids clothing for a certain amount of time) and Skyrim's cold winter weather: it seemed a bit odd to me seeing my PC running around completely nude in Winterhold etc. Maybe offering a dialog option for some winter cloak, boots or similar? In exchange for some gold or any other punishment maybe?

Edited November 17, 2023 by Gudulba

[akssi]

2 minutes ago, Gudulba said:

我刚刚完成了这个精彩模组的通关（包括 Kalmah 的扩展，它仍然有效且集成得非常好）。我得到的两个问题：

 

- 是否可以在 Lola 任务开始之前定义一个玩伴？好像可以提前定义情妇？我这么问是因为在任务开始之前，玩伴选项似乎是灰色的。当萝拉简单奴隶结局开始时，如果能同时见到情妇和玩伴，那就太好了。

 

- 关于裸体规则（情妇在一定时间内禁止穿衣服）和《天际》寒冷的冬季天气：看到我的电脑在冬堡等地完全裸体地运行对我来说似乎有点奇怪。也许为某个冬天提供一个对话框选项斗篷或类似的？也许可以换取一些黄金或任何其他惩罚？

You can recruit another follower, then open lola's MCM and choose that follower to become a playmate
However, I prefer that after Lola becomes the master's slave, the master will ask Lola to convince other followers to become another slave of the master and at the same time serve as Lola's playmate.

[akssi]

8 minutes ago, Gudulba said:

I have just completed a playthrough with this wonderful mod (including Kalmah's extension, which still worked and integrated surprisingly well). Two questions I got:

 

- Is it possible to define a playmate before the Lola quest starts? Like it is possible to define the mistress beforehand? I am asking because the playmate option seems to be greyed out before the quest starts. It would be nice to meet both the mistress and the playmate at the same time when a Lola Simple Slavery outcome starts.

 

- Regarding the nude rule (where the mistress forbids clothing for a certain amount of time) and Skyrim's cold winter weather: it seemed a bit odd to me seeing my PC running around completely nude in Winterhold etc. Maybe offering a dialog option for some winter cloak or similar? In exchange for some gold or any other punishment maybe?

This seems to only reflect the coldness if Frostfall is installed. If Frostfall is installed, just limit the nude rule indoors.
But I keep it all closed. The nude rule will affect my wearing of other jewelry accessories. I always think that just limiting the torso and gloves will be enough.

[akssi]

27 minutes ago, Gudulba said:

我刚刚完成了这个精彩模组的通关（包括 Kalmah 的扩展，它仍然有效且集成得非常好）。我得到的两个问题：

 

- 是否可以在 Lola 任务开始之前定义一个玩伴？好像可以提前定义情妇？我这么问是因为在任务开始之前，玩伴选项似乎是灰色的。当萝拉简单奴隶结局开始时，如果能同时见到情妇和玩伴，那就太好了。

 

- 关于裸体规则（情妇在一定时间内禁止穿衣服）和《天际》寒冷的冬季天气：看到我的电脑在冬堡等地完全裸体地运行对我来说似乎有点奇怪。也许为某个冬天提供一个对话框选项斗篷、靴子还是类似的？也许可以换取一些黄金或任何其他惩罚？

I tested Kalmah's Extension
If the Devious Devices you installed support DAR or OAR
The bundling animation of Pack Slave and Restless Slave will fail

[Hex Bolt]

6 hours ago, Gudulba said:

Is it possible to define a playmate before the Lola quest starts? Like it is possible to define the mistress beforehand? I am asking because the playmate option seems to be greyed out before the quest starts. It would be nice to meet both the mistress and the playmate at the same time when a Lola Simple Slavery outcome starts.

No, because the roles are different.  The owner isn't defined beforehand either, except in the specific context of Simple Slavery buyer.  Otherwise, you have to approach a follower (or let a follower approach you) to choose who the owner is.

 

6 hours ago, Gudulba said:

Regarding the nude rule (where the mistress forbids clothing for a certain amount of time) and Skyrim's cold winter weather: it seemed a bit odd to me seeing my PC running around completely nude in Winterhold etc.

It's a good opportunity to roleplay the situation.  If you're naked in a cold environment, you'd go inside, right?  There's a nice, warm inn in each town, where a naked slave might find something profitable to do, or at least come up with a way to distract the owner to keep from getting new tasks.  Maybe that was what the owner had in mind.

[akssi]

Simple Slavery now has an internal rebuild

 

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, akssi said:

Simple Slavery now has an internal rebuild

Wrong topic.  This is Submissive Lola.

[akssi]

3 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

Wrong topic.  This is Submissive Lola.

Sorry, I clicked on the wrong link.?

[DSAdam97]

How do I change when the nudity rule trigger? I'd like it to start from zero submission score

[Hex Bolt]

3 hours ago, DSAdam97 said:

How do I change when the nudity rule trigger? I'd like it to start from zero submission score

There's no setting for that, but nothing prevents you from making your character go nude from the start.  Another option would be to set the Eye Candy chance to 100%.  That can trigger at a much lower score, so you'd have a sense of progression of forced nudity for periods of time before it becomes a full-time requirement.

[DSAdam97]

32 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

There's no setting for that, but nothing prevents you from making your character go nude from the start.  Another option would be to set the Eye Candy chance to 100%.  That can trigger at a much lower score, so you'd have a sense of progression of forced nudity for periods of time before it becomes a full-time requirement.

I was thinking you could point me to some xedit entry or script value i could change and recompile (tried searching but couldn't find), but eyecandy chance at 100% sounds better, thanks

[jadefalke69]

Hi HexBolt8, is there a possibility that you could add a function to the mod so that Lola can wear a chastity belt with plugs when she reaches a certain number of points? This should only be removed during sex with her mistress/master or when fulfilling her duties as a poststitute.