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Psalam

Psalam

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Using a favorite phrase of my daughter's, I'm a "grown ass" man. Like so many things in life this has it's up sides and it's down sides. One of its sides is that when I get angry I no longer have the luxury of being "pissed off." By that I mean, I can no longer suggest that I got wrapped up in my emotions and said things or did things without thinking them through. Don't misunderstand, I can give in and yell and scream and throw tantrums with the best of them but I can no longer excuse that since, quite frankly, I know better. Tantrums are expected in infants and children. They don't know better. You see them often in adolescents (juvenile delinquents) and young adults (rioters ... errr ... I mean peaceful protesters) but when you genuinely become an adult you learn that, in the words of 1Corinthians, "when I became a man I put away childish things."

 

So, despite being angry, I am not going to rant and rave. I am not going to withhold my financial support to LoversLab. I am not going to shut down the blogs that I wrote to help people work with their Skyrim game or Navigate this site. I am not going to pull my mods from LL and place them on Nexus where even they recognize me as a mod author (can you believe it?). I am not going to ask that my Contributor status be revoked. Nor am I going to put "cheesy" things in the place of my signature or title as some form of protest. Instead, I'm going to simply explain why I am angry.

 

A few days ago, in response to a discussion on the "What's on Your Mind" thread I started a poll. The poll had a single question: would you support changing LL's rules to allow a political thread with or without conditions. When I went to bed there were a few comments, all essentially benign and none reflecting on the political issues of our day on the thread. Also, the poll was overwhelming in its support of the current LL policy of NO politics (in fairness, less than 20 people had responded). When I woke up the next day (does that make me Woke?) the poll was gone - removed by the Moderators. As a result, I am less than happy. I believe that I responded this way because:

 

1) To the best of my knowledge my poll broke no rules. There was no discussion of politics - the poll was dealing with LL's policy in regard to politics. There is no rule, that I am aware of, that precludes discussing LL's rules (if there is it certainly isn't enforced generally).

 

2) There was no notification of why the poll was taken down. I know the Moderators are not required to notify me, or anyone else, as to why they take down a thread. However, in this case, as in many previous cases I've seen, a simple explanation placed at the end of a locked thread can go a long way to preventing hurt feelings and help prevent someone else from treading the same path. This, in turn, might make a recurrence of the same issue less likely. A little education can prevent a lot of future problems.

 

3) Finally, the reason for the poll (as Andy14 quickly saw) was to SUPPORT the current policy. Any fair reading of the original post and the wording of the poll could only come to that conclusion. It was to HELP the Moderators as they explained to future writers of political drama on LL that "no politics" is the Rule and the Rule is supported by the vast majority of people who come here.

 

When I came to LL several years ago it was for a single reason. I wanted the Paradise Halls mod and I got it. I lurked for a long time before my first post. I gradually learned a great number of things about modding and shared those since LL was welcoming and open. Yes, there were a few assholes that called me names but most people have been appreciative of any genuine attempt to help with their problems. Over time I've learned to love this community - if I didn't I would just be angry and leave or I would simply not care. I think that it may be time for me to move my emotional investment somewhere else. That is one of those things that adults learn to do when it needs to be done (in intimate relationships this is often referred to as "divorce"). I know I need to "cool off" some more before I make any decisions I might regret later, however.

 

On one of my blogs (about Navigating LL) I gave the analogy that all of us here are like guests at a party at Ashal's house. It's his house and he gets to set the rules. I get that and fully accept it. However, when I quit having fun at the party I know that it's time to go home.

 

"Are we having fun yet?"

 

P.S.:

Spoiler

As is usual for me this post is a compromise. It does not have everything I'd like to say in it. It does not go into all the depth I would have liked to have. My reason for not doing so is that I've found that "walls of text" tend not to get read and, even worse, when they do get read they tend to be "skimmed" and the meaning is often lost. So, I apologize if any of this seems incoherent or inconsistent. The flaw is mine as my own editor and not that of the reader.

 

Andy14

Andy14

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The post was deleted because valuable resources were wasted on it.
This is namely reserved for Skyrim CTD questions and mods with copyright infringement.
In addition, the questioning of rules such as opposition and thus political.

;)

MadMansGun

MadMansGun

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3 hours ago, Psalam said:

There is no rule, that I am aware of, that precludes discussing LL's rules (if there is it certainly isn't enforced generally).

well no, but actually yes. i've seen them do this before. (last time it was about the no paywall rule not getting inforced)

 

3 hours ago, Psalam said:

2) There was no notification of why the poll was taken down. I know the Moderators are not required to notify me, or anyone else, as to why they take down a thread. However, in this case, as in many previous cases I've seen, a simple explanation placed at the end of a locked thread can go a long way to preventing hurt feelings and help prevent someone else from treading the same path. This, in turn, might make a recurrence of the same issue less likely. A little education can prevent a lot of future problems.

i think they may be getting burned out and don't give a fuck anymore. hopefully this is not a start of a downward trend.

 

3 hours ago, Psalam said:

On one of my blogs (about Navigating LL) I gave the analogy that all of us here are like guests at a party at Ashal's house. It's his house and he gets to set the rules. I get that and fully accept it. However, when I quit having fun at the party I know that it's time to go home.

Ashal does not interact with the guests as much these days, he mostly just shows up to bitch slap the severs when they stop giving out ontrays.

gregathit

gregathit

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Rather than create a poll to discuss LL's policy's (which is a complete waste of time), you'd be better off sending a PM to Ashal with a well reasoned argument.  

Ashal is the one that makes policy.  If you convince him, then you are set.  If you don't...........well, maybe next time.  A thread debating LL rules will typically go downhill rather quickly, as has happened in the past, but maybe it won't, who knows.   I most certainly have my private thoughts about many things, and I'll be the first to admit sometimes I struggle with being a moderator vs being a member.  I'm only human after all.  If I've torn someone a new asshole lately via posts I've made, I'm sorry.  As I get older, I have less patience for what I see as bullshit and I tend to be a rather direct individual.  It doesn't help that big tech is censoring the hell out of folks that share my political as well as medical and scientific views.   

 

Politics and the discussion of it is something I struggle with greatly and I doubt anyone on this forum doesn't have a clear understanding of how I feel about masks and the coof.  I certainly get everyone's frustration that is on both sides of the aisle.  I would also agree that for a while, politics will factor in to a large number of things and will be very difficult to not talk about.  Fuck me I really do get it, cause I'm there with you.  Believe me when I tell you that I'm pissed off right now.  But as much as I am pissed off at the seeming constant attacks by an unnamed group, I, unlike them, have not lost the ability to think and reason.  I'm not going to go out and burn shit down, be it digitally, figuratively or literally.  It may seem weird to quote the bible on a site like LL, but "This too shall pass".   

 

Again, whatever your feelings are about this or other things, voice your concerns to Ashal via PM.  He may decide to open a thread about it (or use this one), that is his call.  

Psalam

Psalam

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4 minutes ago, gregathit said:

Rather than create a poll to discuss LL's policy's (which is a complete waste of time), you'd be better off sending a PM to Ashal with a well reasoned argument. 

Let me reiterate, I have NO desire to see the current policy change. None. Zero. Nada. I wanted the poll because I believed (and still do) that the majority of people who responded to the poll would support the policy. I admit that I might be wrong but we'll never know now, will we?

 

I clearly indicated in the introduction to the poll that only Ashal made policy. That his would ultimately be the only vote that mattered. However, I thought that is was a worthwhile endeavor because, if the results came out as I expected (hoped?) then you, and the other Moderators would be able to say "Thread closed due to politics which is against the rules AND against the will of the vast majority of the people who come to LL." 

 

So, I have no reason to PM Ashal. I have no desire to see the rules change. Until now, I have thrived under the current rules and see no benefit in changing them. Bill Wilson of Alcoholics Anonymous fame wrote that AA was not to get involved in politics and that the enforcement of that rule required no real effort. Most people appreciated what AA was trying to do and didn't want to drag in extraneous issues that might keep it from saving their lives. Well, LL isn't about saving lives but the same principle holds. Staying focused on what LL does, providing a place for adult mods in a world that all but requires us to remain anonymous to use them, rather than being drawn into unrelated controversies seems to me the best approach.

 

BTW - I quoted the Bible first.

Tlam99

Tlam99

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If one makes a decision after ones best knowledge and still can look into a mirror, did one do then everything right ?

It depends....

To be neutral is a mirror like surface of a sea.

However, if someone throws a stone into it, the resulting waves might drive the emotions in either direction , thus, have a severe influence on the decision.

..............< your thoughts

So, don't blame yourself, just stop it and start going to have fun, one of the superior emotions which will even grow if shared.

 

 

Psalam

Psalam

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1 hour ago, nonusnomeni said:

most people dont like questions

questions force them to think

and thinking is heresy

Maybe but all of my most cherished ideals were once heresy and so were yours. And it was not thinking about those ideals that brought them to be modern day truths, it was the action of people who went and put their lives on the line.

 

Dr. Benjamin Franklin:
If we do not hang together, we shall most assuredly hang separately!

worik

worik

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I already asked myself where that poll had gone or if I am too tired from RL to remember things I read here in the late evenings :classic_huh:.

 

It makes me sad :classic_sad:

Especially since it was immediately clear to me, what you intended with it. And it was THAT obvious, even across the one or two language barriers that seperate me from the english language.

Andy14

Andy14

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5 minutes ago, worik said:

Especially since it was immediately clear to my, what you intended with it. And it was THAT obvious, even across the one or two language barriers that seperate me from the english language.

Language barriers are probably necessary in order to recognize the obvious.;)

Actually sad.

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DonQuiWho

DonQuiWho

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There are some people want to talk Politics?  Here?  Hell, no!  To quote Solomon (roughly, I know!)

 

'Never argue with fools, as you'll only end up being like them'

 

As for going, don't be silly.  Where else could I, as we do in time honoured fashion elsdewhere, reshape your

 

"cool off"

 

to

 

"Cool! Brother"

 

 

FauxFurry

FauxFurry

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4 minutes ago, donkeywho said:

There are some people want to talk Politics?  Here?  Hell, no!  To quote Solomon (roughly, I know!)

 

'Never argue with fools, as you'll only end up being like them'

 

As for going, don't be silly.  Where else could I, as we do in time honoured fashion elsdewhere, reshape your

 

"cool off"

 

to

 

"Cool! Brother"

 

 

Is there not a missing step that transitions into "Cool story, Bro!"? 

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