[mod] Regula Magistri

[Swifting]

The new system is rather neat, and I want to like it - safe for two things;

 

Tribal lands have no baronies by far and large, making it nigh impossible to use without starting on the border of conquerable feudal / clan territory, or grabing the far and inbetween baronies that dot tribal territory. Well, that or creating a hybrid culture with "equal" gender standards, or converting to a religion with the same.

 

Most baronies are also either cities or temples, resulting in republics and theocracies if their holders are given more territory. While a mulsa in such a position won't mind other ruling types, a few generations down the line can cause hefty opinion penalties, or the need to fascinare much of your estate holders.

 

 

All in all, having an interaction that gives counties to female holders - be it coupled with tyranny gain and or a chunky prestige cost - would safe a lot of hassle for tribal starts.

[bobbily]

Yeah, the bestow barony option is a clunky solution for sure. Paradox were rather thorough in ensuring that the Christian/Muslim/etc. player characters can't grant counties to female courtiers though. I ran into what seemed to be a hard-coded barrier when I tried cloning/tweaking the grant titles interaction.

 

Only cities and castles can be granted with the bestow barony interaction, so at least theocratic vassals aren't a possibility. But as soon as I figure out a better solution (or if you know of one) I'll be implemented it.

[Gagi114]

I prefer this new system of the mod. Great work!

[Shane843]

I think I found an issue with the new culture system. When playing as part of a culture with set limits on marriage (I found it as the Irish) the culture overrides the religion. So Irish has the Polygamous feature, that lets you have up to 4 wives. And that seems to supersede Regula Magistri as a religion allowing unlimited wives, and any Paelex past 4 get automatically turned into Orba.

[idkwhattoputy]

is there a way to have female knights? my culture doesn't allow female knights

 

[bobbily]

40 minutes ago, idkwhattoputy said:

is there a way to have female knights? my culture doesn't allow female knights

 

That's a high priority target for future updates.  In the meantime try adding the Warriors by Merit tradition to your culture.  That should allow both men and women to become knights.

 

1 hour ago, Shane843 said:

I think I found an issue with the new culture system. When playing as part of a culture with set limits on marriage (I found it as the Irish) the culture overrides the religion. So Irish has the Polygamous feature, that lets you have up to 4 wives. And that seems to supersede Regula Magistri as a religion allowing unlimited wives, and any Paelex past 4 get automatically turned into Orba.

"Feature".  The new culture system is going to cause quite a few headaches, I think.

[Swifting]

7 hours ago, bobbily said:

Only cities and castles can be granted with the bestow barony interaction, so at least theocratic vassals aren't a possibility. But as soon as I figure out a better solution (or if you know of one) I'll be implemented it.

 

Female Temple holders still exist, so theocracys still ought to be possible if you convert already landed women.

As for a solution, only abdication schemes towards next-in-line mulsa come to mind. Would tie in nicely with the change inheritance laws scheme. Not sure how feasible that would be though - but it also might solve the "granny harem" that your heirs are exposed to after taking over.

 

As for culture "features"; not sure if mods could maybe interact with them in some way? Lowering cost and impelementation time for certain traditions that could conteract specific "harmful" ones or similiar. Adding new ones I'd not be surprised if we run into the same problem like religion.

 

On another note, the inheritable fame traits are great - back to bloodline shenanigans like in ck2.

[-Camille-]

Hey! Thanks for the mod, I'm really enjoying it. You don't use github anymore though?

[Rodelga]

any chance of allowing concubines alongside spouses as a doctrine?

[202215jaffe]

14 hours ago, bobbily said:

Yeah, the bestow barony option is a clunky solution for sure. Paradox were rather thorough in ensuring that the Christian/Muslim/etc. player characters can't grant counties to female courtiers though. I ran into what seemed to be a hard-coded barrier when I tried cloning/tweaking the grant titles interaction.

 

Only cities and castles can be granted with the bestow barony interaction, so at least theocratic vassals aren't a possibility. But as soon as I figure out a better solution (or if you know of one) I'll be implemented it.

I having trouble to grant barony (castles) to spellbound female, I think it is a culture thing maybe? I did first try to my religion to something that allow equal gender heritage and grant them duchess to make it similar to previous version to bypass it

Edited February 12, 2022 by 202215jaffe

[Noutei]

How do people deal with vassal succession? It's not an issue when one has only a few, but once you have a bunch of them, it gets more troublesome. I feel like I'm constantly just fascinating vassals that have recently inherited their position.

 

Also, as a suggestion for the mod, I think having a perk tree (or maybe something dynastic?) might be nice. One obvious perk would be having two personal schemes at the same time, just like the intrigue perk for hostile schemes. 

14 hours ago, bobbily said:

Yeah, the bestow barony option is a clunky solution for sure. Paradox were rather thorough in ensuring that the Christian/Muslim/etc. player characters can't grant counties to female courtiers though. I ran into what seemed to be a hard-coded barrier when I tried cloning/tweaking the grant titles interaction.

 

Only cities and castles can be granted with the bestow barony interaction, so at least theocratic vassals aren't a possibility. But as soon as I figure out a better solution (or if you know of one) I'll be implemented it.

 

I'd recommend not using the special grant title interaction type (which has the gender limitation hard coded) and to instead just 'fake' it through normal title selection via target_type = title.

I've attached a modified version of the bestow barony interaction I've been using.

bestow_title.txt

[dlombu]

If you ask to personally educate your Pralex's heir you'll be asked if you want to bind her will when she turns 16. You can even cheese it by only asking to educate them when they're 15 instead of babysitting them for their whole childhood.

[James_E_C]

Question. I know I just asked this, but either you missed it or you don't want to answer because torturing yourself trying to create the religion us half the fun (it isn't, btw). But how do you remove the "Show Book" cooldown. It would take years to create my religion if that was the case, and my female vassals could get themselves married and have crap children when they could have originally started as my harem wives.

[James_E_C]

20 hours ago, bobbily said:

Yeah, the bestow barony option is a clunky solution for sure. Paradox were rather thorough in ensuring that the Christian/Muslim/etc. player characters can't grant counties to female courtiers though. I ran into what seemed to be a hard-coded barrier when I tried cloning/tweaking the grant titles interaction.

 

Only cities and castles can be granted with the bestow barony interaction, so at least theocratic vassals aren't a possibility. But as soon as I figure out a better solution (or if you know of one) I'll be implemented it.

Another problem is that baronies aren't powerful vassals, unless ALL your vassals are baron level. So you could have 10000000000000000000 spellbound women (and with the show book crap cooldown, the game will have ended long before then) as baronesses, but if you have 5 counts, all those baronesses won't do a damn thing to allow you to form the religion.

The way to do it (I guess) is to use the debug mode and GIVE them a county of yours, or grant the barony, then grant the county (and duchy if you want)

[Gagi114]

It is easy to get the minimum requirements to read the book and become the magister. I just convert to a dead religion (or any, the one that doesn't require too much piety) that has Equal doctrine, not like it will matter soon after as you change the religion as soon as you start the mod. If you get that theology perk conversion cost is cut by 75%. After the initial piety run, rest is easy. Doing my 2nd playthrough now and not once have I used Grant Barony action.

[bobbily]

6 hours ago, Noutei said:

How do people deal with vassal succession? It's not an issue when one has only a few, but once you have a bunch of them, it gets more troublesome. I feel like I'm constantly just fascinating vassals that have recently inherited their position.

 

Also, as a suggestion for the mod, I think having a perk tree (or maybe something dynastic?) might be nice. One obvious perk would be having two personal schemes at the same time, just like the intrigue perk for hostile schemes. 

 

I'd recommend not using the special grant title interaction type (which has the gender limitation hard coded) and to instead just 'fake' it through normal title selection via target_type = title.

I've attached a modified version of the bestow barony interaction I've been using.

bestow_title.txt 1.38 kB · 4 downloads

That is perfect.  Thanks a lot!

 

 

10 hours ago, quwazar said:

Hey! Thanks for the mod, I'm really enjoying it. You don't use github anymore though?

Yeah, I kind of let that fall into disrepair.

 

1 hour ago, James_E_C said:

Question. I know I just asked this, but either you missed it or you don't want to answer because torturing yourself trying to create the religion us half the fun (it isn't, btw). But how do you remove the "Show Book" cooldown. It would take years to create my religion if that was the case, and my female vassals could get themselves married and have crap children when they could have originally started as my harem wives.

regula_covert_conversion_interaction (in regula_character_interactions): delete or comment out the cooldown line.  

[Monedeath]

9 hours ago, Noutei said:

How do people deal with vassal succession? It's not an issue when one has only a few, but once you have a bunch of them, it gets more troublesome. I feel like I'm constantly just fascinating vassals that have recently inherited their position.

Domina, Paelex and Mulsa will try to convert any female they're acting as guardians for when they turn 16. You just have to make sure the heirs(or young rulers) have "the right people" teaching them when they come of age. 

[Monedeath]

3 hours ago, James_E_C said:

Another problem is that baronies aren't powerful vassals, unless ALL your vassals are baron level. So you could have 10000000000000000000 spellbound women (and with the show book crap cooldown, the game will have ended long before then) as baronesses, but if you have 5 counts, all those baronesses won't do a damn thing to allow you to form the religion.

The way to do it (I guess) is to use the debug mode and GIVE them a county of yours, or grant the barony, then grant the county (and duchy if you want)

 

Playing as a tribal start. my solution just took a little more patience.

Go through your powerful vassals and take measures to ensure their daughters inherit their position. RM even has some actions you can take to get them to change their inheritance rules in advance to ensure a female inherits their position. Then wait for two of them to die.

Or alternately, find a way to bring in someone who already controls a county and happens to be female. (Duchy level conquests work if they're not the Duchess in question) Then promote her to being a duchess, and help upgrade her territories until she becomes a powerful vassal. 

[zhan]

I had a hell of a time trying to figure out why the "Make shieldmaiden" interaction wouldn't work, now that cultures can have traditions like "The Right to Prove" that allow female knights (shieldmaidens) with male-only martial customs (now linked to gender succession laws, so the only option with Regula).

 

Ended up copy-pasting the designate_shieldmaiden_interaction

and replacing

	is_shown = {
		...
		scope:recipient = {
			NOT = { has_trait = incapable }
			is_courtier_of = scope:actor
			is_close_family_of = scope:actor
			NOT = { has_trait = shieldmaiden }
			OR = {
				AND = {
					is_female = yes
					faith = { has_doctrine = doctrine_gender_male_dominated }
				}
				AND = {
					is_male = yes
					faith = { has_doctrine = doctrine_gender_female_dominated }
				}
			}
		}
	}

with

	is_shown = {
		...
		scope:recipient = {
			NOT = { has_trait = incapable }
			OR = {
				is_courtier_of = scope:actor
				is_vassal_or_below_of = scope:actor
			}
			is_close_family_of = scope:actor
			NOT = { has_trait = shieldmaiden }
			OR = {
				AND = {
					is_female = yes
					OR = {
						faith = { has_doctrine = doctrine_gender_male_dominated }
						faith = { has_doctrine = doctrine_gender_magister_dominated }
					}
				}
				AND = {
					is_male = yes
					faith = { has_doctrine = doctrine_gender_female_dominated }
				}
			}
		}
	}

 

Probably worth adding to the main mod?

[Monedeath]

9 hours ago, zhan said:

I had a hell of a time trying to figure out why the "Make shieldmaiden" interaction wouldn't work, now that cultures can have traditions like "The Right to Prove" that allow female knights (shieldmaidens) with male-only martial customs (now linked to gender succession laws, so the only option with Regula).

You made me curious, so I went and did some digging of my own:
...\events\dlc\fp1\fp1_shieldmaiden_events.txt
also has the issue, in addition to the code block you gave in ...\common\character_interactions\01_fp1_interactions.txt

 

scripted_trigger wrong_gender_for_fighting_in_faith_trigger = {
	#Has access to the appropriate cultural parameter.
	culture = { has_cultural_parameter = has_access_to_shieldmaidens }
	OR = {
		AND = {
			is_female = yes
			faith = { has_doctrine = doctrine_gender_male_dominated }
		}
		AND = {
			is_male = yes
			faith = { has_doctrine = doctrine_gender_female_dominated }
		}
	}
}

and
 

scripted_trigger likely_to_be_offended_list_trigger = {
	#Separate religions already think your ways are terrible already, co-religionists think you're making them look bad.
	religion = root.religion
	#No bias, no problem.
	faith = {
		OR = {
			has_doctrine = doctrine_gender_male_dominated
			has_doctrine = doctrine_gender_female_dominated
		}
	}

Meanwhile over in regula_religion.txt we have:
 

	doctrine = doctrine_gender_magister_dominated

"One of these things is not like the other."

Shieldmaiden events won't fire as things stand for RM, because the event that creates them will never meet the precondition needed to make it happen.

Edited February 13, 2022 by Monedeath

[bobbily]

Ugh, that's just sloppy coding.  Paradox should really be using parameters for this sort of thing, not names.

 

That said, doctrine_gender_magister_dominated is one of the first things I coded, and not too essential.  I may be able to replace it with doctrine_gender_female_dominated.

[waazzzup14]

On 2/8/2022 at 6:03 PM, Kryzh said:

I don't get it why secret keeps only one day, can't show the book not enough time

I'm also having this problem I've tried everything I could think of and still the secret goes away after one day

[bobbily]

Update time!

 

This is largely a bugfix update, but I've added a couple of features to make it worth the download.

 

0.91

Added a new trait, Child of the Book. The product of an event chain that can be randomly triggered when Domitans Tribunal is used on a pregnant character. Shows up on the child's fourth birthday.

Added a new Martial Custom, Female Famuli Only.  Can be implemented like other Martial customs (Royal Court) or with the "Enact the Female Famuli Only Martial Custom" major decision. When active only women can become knights, and all members of your culture get a few small army/men-at-arms bonuses.

 

Bugfixes and tweaks:

Added Breeder, Gossip, and Multitasker to the Ruler Designer, with appropriate costs.

Winning 10 Domination OR Usurp Vassal wars will now trigger the Subjugator bloodline.

Fixed the Divorce Courtier interaction.

Added some text to the "Acquire the Regula Magistri" decision, so it'll flag when you've improperly converted to the religion before triggering the decision.

Tweaked the "Acquire the Regula Magistri" decision so that it'll show as invalid when your character is a child/woman, instead of hiding itself.

Tweaked the Regula Magistri Tenets so that the custom pieces only show within the Regula Magistri religious group.

Changed the default religious Gender Doctrine to Female Dominated (from Complex). This should enable shield maidens and a few of the Paradox-scripted gender events. To keep compatibility with prior saves the Complex doctrine is still in the code; it will be removed in a later update.

The Bestow Barony interaction has been renamed to "Bestow Landed Title," and it does what it says on the tin. Thanks to Noutei for the improved code!

Upped the penalty for NPCs that sleep with Paelices.  Try laughing off stab wounds, cuckoos.

 

Regula_Magistri_0.91.zip

[bobbily]

1 hour ago, waazzzup14 said:

I'm also having this problem I've tried everything I could think of and still the secret goes away after one day

Did you convert your character to Regula Magistri with the character editor?  Having the secret go away after one day means that you're not eligible to hold it, and already following the faith is the only ineligibilty criteria.

 

 

[Monedeath]

Obviously on the immediately previous version, as I just now saw the 0.91 version announcement. Minor bug, but still something to address.

 

Edit to add: Also noticed that least so far as Krakow is concerned, the advertised cost reduction for Abice Maritus does not seem to be applying properly. Cost before controling Krakow: 250 piety. Cost after controlling Krakow (confirmed through the holy site listing) is still 250 piety. (that issue is showing on a .91 install)

Edited February 13, 2022 by Monedeath