SLSF Fame Comments Reloaded

[MysticDaedra]

I'm trying to figure out which mod is causing a certain force greet that I'm having, because I want to reduce the frequency. Does SLSF Fame Comments cause the "I see you staring girl, what are you after?" (or something like that) dialogue?

[Luna Skadi]

There's a slight chance I'm just an idiot, but is there any way to disable the "forced" interactions, so that you're only involved in scenes you consent to?

[Gristle]

On 11/27/2022 at 1:14 PM, MysticDaedra said:

I'm trying to figure out which mod is causing a certain force greet that I'm having, because I want to reduce the frequency. Does SLSF Fame Comments cause the "I see you staring girl, what are you after?" (or something like that) dialogue?

This mod doesn't have that dialogue, or anything similar. In fact, it doesn't have any true "force greets," i.e., greetings that force you into a normal interactive dialogue. 

[Gristle]

On 11/30/2022 at 8:41 AM, Luna Skadi said:

There's a slight chance I'm just an idiot, but is there any way to disable the "forced" interactions, so that you're only involved in scenes you consent to?

It's a fair question. You can turn off all of the categories of "SLSF Fame Events" in the SLSFC MCM, but then you won't get "friendly" offers either. Currently, the only way to keep the friendly requests and prevent the forced requests is to turn on the "Equipped weapons prevent forced events" switch in the SLSFC MCM, and then equip a weapon (even a dagger) if you don't want to be forced. With that switch on, even those drunken louts in the taverns know better than to mess with an armed Dragonborn.

[JarlBobbyBallin]

Hey got a weird problem with SLSF comments. Trying to get naked comments while wearing skimpy outfits, but the comments dont appear.

Naked comments work fine when actually naked, but when wearing armor that is added to the exclude list for SLSF, naked comments dont appear even though the armor should be treated as naked.

SLSF fame increases correctly as if naked, and SLSF notification message about fame increasing also appears as it should. But the comments don't show up. The PC has the "Naked" spell effect, I also tried marking the item as naked with SL Aroused, but still no comments.

Even tried installing SLSF & SLSF Comments on an old modded install, and got the same issue.

 

Any ideas why the naked comments arent showing up when wearing armor marked as naked?

[Rushman_93]

I'm confused here. Your recommendation is to:

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Disable “Remove Child NPC” – Otherwise, SLSF will remove all children from the game.

But as far as I have tested the mod literally stops working and accounting for every event unless you remove every child npc. This mod has always been a deal breaker simply because I am not going to remove adoptions, fertility, and keep enabling and disabling this function whenever I want to have the complete environment of the game complete. What am I missing here?

[Gristle]

On 12/11/2022 at 3:22 PM, JarlBobbyBallin said:

Hey got a weird problem with SLSF comments. Trying to get naked comments while wearing skimpy outfits, but the comments dont appear.

Naked comments work fine when actually naked, but when wearing armor that is added to the exclude list for SLSF, naked comments dont appear even though the armor should be treated as naked.

SLSF fame increases correctly as if naked, and SLSF notification message about fame increasing also appears as it should. But the comments don't show up. The PC has the "Naked" spell effect, I also tried marking the item as naked with SL Aroused, but still no comments.

Even tried installing SLSF & SLSF Comments on an old modded install, and got the same issue.

 

Any ideas why the naked comments arent showing up when wearing armor marked as naked?

Yes. The SLSF Comments mod does not use the SLSF "Naked" magic effect to trigger comments about nakedness. It uses the vanilla Skyrim system to detect a lack of either clothes or armor in the body slot to trigger naked comments.  I avoided using the SLSF "Naked" magic effect because it has a long-standing bug - wearing a helmet triggers the "Naked" magic effect, even when clothed.

[Gristle]

On 12/20/2022 at 7:17 PM, Rushman_93 said:

I'm confused here. Your recommendation is to:

But as far as I have tested the mod literally stops working and accounting for every event unless you remove every child npc. This mod has always been a deal breaker simply because I am not going to remove adoptions, fertility, and keep enabling and disabling this function whenever I want to have the complete environment of the game complete. What am I missing here?

All vanilla Skyrim interactions with children have worked fine on my many playthroughs with SLSF loaded, so long as SLSF's "Remove Child NPC" switch is disabled. I disable it immediately upon each new game.

[Rushman_93]

On 12/22/2022 at 5:58 PM, Gristle said:

All vanilla Skyrim interactions with children have worked fine on my many playthroughs with SLSF loaded, so long as SLSF's "Remove Child NPC" switch is disabled. I disable it immediately upon each new game.

My problem isn't with the interactions, it is that the Fame system stops working if I don't have "Remove Child NPC" switch enabled, which is an annoyance that I have to remove an entire group of NPCs, even if temporarily, to make this framework do its job. So my question is, does the Framework on your end somehow work even with "Remove Child NPC" disabled? Because my does not for me.

Edited December 23, 2022 by Rushman_93

[Seeker999]

10 hours ago, Rushman_93 said:

So my question is, does the Framework on your end somehow work even with "Remove Child NPC" disabled? Because my does not for me.

Short answer: it should work.

You may need to check you have all the right versions of mods and skse for your game, or a mod conflict.
I'm on SE 1.5.97, have SLSF SE v0.99, and SLSF-Fame Comments v3.31 SE. As you can see in the picture, I'm not removing children. They're running around Skyrim, I did the quest with the Arentino boy, and haven't noticed any problems related to children.

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My Fame is increasing, and I've gotten warning letters from the jarl about my behavior (proof that fame was going up). I also have Public Whore installed, set to integrate with SLSF.

[Rushman_93]

14 hours ago, Seeker999 said:

Short answer: it should work.

You may need to check you have all the right versions of mods and skse for your game, or a mod conflict.
I'm on SE 1.5.97, have SLSF SE v0.99, and SLSF-Fame Comments v3.31 SE. As you can see in the picture, I'm not removing children. They're running around Skyrim, I did the quest with the Arentino boy, and haven't noticed any problems related to children.

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My Fame is increasing, and I've gotten warning letters from the jarl about my behavior (proof that fame was going up). I also have Public Whore installed, set to integrate with SLSF.

 

I'm on the same set up as you, I have the latest SKSE for my version SE 1.5.97. There shouldn't be any conflicts as far as I understand because it works as a system of its own. But it is good to know that yours does work with these settings, as that makes it clear that it is something on my end. Thank you for the reply, I'll try to make it work on my game.

 

Edit: Ok, it is working, I'm just stupid. Thank you for the patience.

Edited December 24, 2022 by Rushman_93

[wHOaMiEH]

Hey Gristle, any update on the new update?

Edited December 24, 2022 by wHOaMiEH

[Ivantim]

Having implemented separate cover self animations for bikini armors would be awesome!

Like cover only top or bottom or both

pretty please!

[Fulanoo]

Is there any way to alter the Min/Max and Value of one of the fames of all locations at once?
Like using console commands or something?

Also, what triggers the ass slap scene?

[Gristle]

On 12/24/2022 at 12:19 PM, wHOaMiEH said:

Hey Gristle, any update on the new update?

Sorry for the delay. I'm now working on the mod again but hesitate to give an ETA because I'm going pretty slowly. But, I'll release an update as soon as the first full Jarl quest is done.

[Gristle]

On 1/6/2023 at 11:10 AM, Ivantim said:

Having implemented separate cover self animations for bikini armors would be awesome!

Like cover only top or bottom or both

pretty please!

The cover self animation is coming from the underlying SLSF mod. I'm afraid I don't have the knowledge to create new animations. 

[Gristle]

On 1/8/2023 at 6:49 AM, Fulanoo said:

Is there any way to alter the Min/Max and Value of one of the fames of all locations at once?
Like using console commands or something?

That is a pain, and no I don't know any way to do it globally.  Same with the fame transfer system. I just do it manually.

On 1/8/2023 at 6:49 AM, Fulanoo said:

Also, what triggers the ass slap scene?

That must be Spank that Ass. I can't think of any other mod that does that. 

[Fulanoo]

6 hours ago, Gristle said:

That is a pain, and no I don't know any way to do it globally.  Same with the fame transfer system. I just do it manually.

Damn, that sucks, just some way of copying the configs of one location to all the other locations would already be great.
By manually you mean using the debug spell right?

 

6 hours ago, Gristle said:

That must be Spank that Ass. I can't think of any other mod that does that. 

By that I meant the one that uses DF Spank SLAL Mini Pack, I was reading the first post and looks like it's related to the masochist fame
 

[Dez65]

Sorry for being off topic - looking for a mod I remember seeing that changes the NPCs in SL Skooma Whore's dens to regular NPCS.  Anyone know where to find it?

[dolll]

I finally found the problem that's making me frustrated over lesbian rape all the time every new playthrough or sex offers pop ups every 2 seconds, it's this mod. I really like it, love the comments and events from male followers and npcs, I also would rather not disable it but.. I get female NPCs raping me all the time saying "I'm going to ride your face, slut. get over here!" or other things. whenever I talk to female NPCs, they keep saying sexual stuff like "taste my skeever" etc.

 

and that's not all.. the pop ups that come up as whore/sex offers every few seconds are too much.. all the time while I'm in dialogue, cutscene or during anything. and those offers are by female NPCs too. I'm really hoping that the male followers asking for "permission/consent" "give consent to" as popups to have sex with other female NPCs isn't from here too.

 

I made sure to turn off any option for female NPCs to be present in any sex scenes and dialogues on every mod's mcm. this and sexist guards are the only ones left. is there a way to turn off anything female NPC related? it doesn't make sense to have sex fame with males only the whole game, only to be raped by female NPCs or have them flirting when talking

Edited January 15, 2023 by dolll

[Gristle]

7 hours ago, dolll said:

I finally found the problem that's making me frustrated over lesbian rape all the time every new playthrough or sex offers pop ups every 2 seconds, it's this mod. I really like it, love the comments and events from male followers and npcs, I also would rather not disable it but.. I get female NPCs raping me all the time saying "I'm going to ride your face, slut. get over here!" or other things. whenever I talk to female NPCs, they keep saying sexual stuff like "taste my skeever" etc.

 

and that's not all.. the pop ups that come up as whore/sex offers every few seconds are too much.. all the time while I'm in dialogue, cutscene or during anything. and those offers are by female NPCs too. I'm really hoping that the male followers asking for "permission/consent" "give consent to" as popups to have sex with other female NPCs isn't from here too.

 

I made sure to turn off any option for female NPCs to be present in any sex scenes and dialogues on every mod's mcm. this and sexist guards are the only ones left. is there a way to turn off anything female NPC related? it doesn't make sense to have sex fame with males only the whole game, only to be raped by female NPCs or have them flirting when talking

There's currently no way to turn off all comments, events, and event offers for female NPCs. You can turn off "Likes Women" events in the Fame Comments MCM, and that will turn off all forced SL events and offers of SL events that are conditioned upon the "Likes Women" switch in the Fame Comments MCM. And, of course, the comments and events that reflect a lesbian attraction are generally conditioned upon "Likes Women" SLSF fame, which should not accrue if you have excluded female NPCs from sex scenes.

 

That said, it becomes a bit more complicated when you look at the individual comments that can trigger F-F forced events and pop-up event offers. For example, here's what I think is the current set of triggers for the forced event comments (I might have missed a couple):

 

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Location: Inn/Barracks

Fame Needed: Anal and Slut

MCM Switch Needed: Anal

Other: None

(Theme is punishing, not attraction. I don't think the NPC cares whether the PC likes women or not, but I could add a "Likes Women" condition. In fairness, the M-M events generally all have a "Likes Men" condition, so my sexual preference biases are probably showing through here in the unequal programming.)

 

Location: Inn/Barracks

Fame Needed: Anal and Sub

MCM Switch Needed: Anal

Other: None

(Theme is more punishing, not really attraction, but given this is more taking advantage of a submissive person, I could add a "Likes Women" fame condition if NPC is F.)

 

Location: Barracks

Fame Needed: Anal

MCM Switch Needed: Anal

Other: Guard only

(Theme is a combination of punishing and taking advantage, but I could add a "Likes Women" fame condition if NPC is F.)

 

Location: Inn/Barracks

Fame Needed: Oral, Likes Women, Slut

MCM Switch Needed: Oral

Other: None

(This one seems fine.)

 

Location: Inn/Barracks

Fame Needed: Oral, Likes Women, Whore

MCM Switch Needed: Oral

Other: None

(This one seems fine.)

 

Location: Inn/Barracks

Fame Needed: Masochist, Slut, Likes Women

MCM Switch Needed: Masochist

Other: None

(This one seems fine.)

 

Location: Inn/Barracks

Fame Needed: Masochist, Whore

MCM Switch Needed: Masochist

Other: None

(Since this one is about both taking advantage of a whore, and also giving her what she wants, I could see adding a "Likes Women" fame condition if NPC is F.)

 

Location: Inn/Barracks

Fame Needed: Oral, Slut

MCM Switch Needed: Oral

Other: None

(This one is about punishing and taking advantage of a slut. I'm not sure it is logical that the NPC cares whether the PC likes women, but I could add a "Likes Women" fame condition if PC is F.)

 

Location: Barracks

Fame Needed: Whore

MCM Switch Needed: Whore

Other: Guards only

(This one is about the guards claiming free use of a whore. Since it is restricted to barracks, I'm inclined to keep it harsh, i.e., the guards don't care if the F PC likes women or not.)

 

Location: Inn/Barracks

Fame Needed: Sub, Likes Women

MCM Switch Needed: Sub

Other: None

(As above, because this one is more taking advantage of a submissive person, I could add a "Likes Women" fame condition if NPC is F.)

 

Location: Inn/Barracks

Fame Needed: Sub

MCM Switch Needed: Sub

Other: PC is bound

(I'm inclined to keep this one. If the PC is bound and submissive and wandering into an inn or barracks, I think they should be at the mercy of the crowd.)

 

 

Let me know your thoughts on the above. Need to consider the event offers next.

 

As for frequency of comments generally, my only suggestions would be (1) decrease comment frequency in SLSF MCM, (2) turn off some categories of "fame events" in the SLSFC MCM, and/or (3) slow down your fame growth in the SLSF MCM.

 

Edited January 15, 2023 by Gristle

[dolll]

6 hours ago, Gristle said:

There's currently no way to turn off all comments, events, and event offers for female NPCs. You can turn off "Likes Women" events in the Fame Comments MCM, and that will turn off all forced SL events and offers of SL events that are conditioned upon the "Likes Women" switch in the Fame Comments MCM. And, of course, the comments and events that reflect a lesbian attraction are generally conditioned upon "Likes Women" SLSF fame, which should not accrue if you have excluded female NPCs from sex scenes.

 

That said, it becomes a bit more complicated when you look at the individual comments that can trigger F-F forced events and pop-up event offers. For example, here's what I think is the current set of triggers for the forced event comments (I might have missed a couple):

 

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Location: Inn/Barracks

Fame Needed: Anal and Slut

MCM Switch Needed: Anal

Other: None

(Theme is punishing, not attraction. I don't think the NPC cares whether the PC likes women or not, but I could add a "Likes Women" condition. In fairness, the M-M events generally all have a "Likes Men" condition, so my sexual preference biases are probably showing through here in the unequal programming.)

 

Location: Inn/Barracks

Fame Needed: Anal and Sub

MCM Switch Needed: Anal

Other: None

(Theme is more punishing, not really attraction, but given this is more taking advantage of a submissive person, I could add a "Likes Women" fame condition if NPC is F.)

 

Location: Barracks

Fame Needed: Anal

MCM Switch Needed: Anal

Other: Guard only

(Theme is a combination of punishing and taking advantage, but I could add a "Likes Women" fame condition if NPC is F.)

 

Location: Inn/Barracks

Fame Needed: Oral, Likes Women, Slut

MCM Switch Needed: Oral

Other: None

(This one seems fine.)

 

Location: Inn/Barracks

Fame Needed: Oral, Likes Women, Whore

MCM Switch Needed: Oral

Other: None

(This one seems fine.)

 

Location: Inn/Barracks

Fame Needed: Masochist, Slut, Likes Women

MCM Switch Needed: Masochist

Other: None

(This one seems fine.)

 

Location: Inn/Barracks

Fame Needed: Masochist, Whore

MCM Switch Needed: Masochist

Other: None

(Since this one is about both taking advantage of a whore, and also giving her what she wants, I could see adding a "Likes Women" fame condition if NPC is F.)

 

Location: Inn/Barracks

Fame Needed: Oral, Slut

MCM Switch Needed: Oral

Other: None

(This one is about punishing and taking advantage of a slut. I'm not sure it is logical that the NPC cares whether the PC likes women, but I could add a "Likes Women" fame condition if PC is F.)

 

Location: Barracks

Fame Needed: Whore

MCM Switch Needed: Whore

Other: Guards only

(This one is about the guards claiming free use of a whore. Since it is restricted to barracks, I'm inclined to keep it harsh, i.e., the guards don't care if the F PC likes women or not.)

 

Location: Inn/Barracks

Fame Needed: Sub, Likes Women

MCM Switch Needed: Sub

Other: None

(As above, because this one is more taking advantage of a submissive person, I could add a "Likes Women" fame condition if NPC is F.)

 

Location: Inn/Barracks

Fame Needed: Sub

MCM Switch Needed: Sub

Other: PC is bound

(I'm inclined to keep this one. If the PC is bound and submissive and wandering into an inn or barracks, I think they should be at the mercy of the crowd.)

 

 

Let me know your thoughts on the above. Need to consider the event offers next.

 

As for frequency of comments generally, my only suggestions would be (1) decrease comment frequency in SLSF MCM, (2) turn off some categories of "fame events" in the SLSFC MCM, and/or (3) slow down your fame growth in the SLSF MCM.

 

I already had "likes women" events turned off from the beginning of every playthrough. also had exhibitionism off since my male followers would stand stuck in place jerking off but that's probably my game's fault and not this mod's.

 

as for your suggestion, please that would be perfect. I think that would make this mod more precise and comfortable for some ppl at no cost/dissatisfaction. those interested in female NPCs would simply just turn on female events & get them. a lot of the F forced events at the taverns did have anal theme.

 

I'll lower the frequency and turn off some events and see how it works for the pop-ups. thank you 

Edited January 16, 2023 by dolll

[Clea Strange]

On 1/15/2023 at 6:24 AM, dolll said:

I finally found the problem that's making me frustrated over lesbian rape all the time every new playthrough or sex offers pop ups every 2 seconds, it's this mod. I really like it, love the comments and events from male followers and npcs, I also would rather not disable it but.. I get female NPCs raping me all the time saying "I'm going to ride your face, slut. get over here!" or other things. whenever I talk to female NPCs, they keep saying sexual stuff like "taste my skeever" etc.

 

and that's not all.. the pop ups that come up as whore/sex offers every few seconds are too much.. all the time while I'm in dialogue, cutscene or during anything. and those offers are by female NPCs too. I'm really hoping that the male followers asking for "permission/consent" "give consent to" as popups to have sex with other female NPCs isn't from here too.

 

I made sure to turn off any option for female NPCs to be present in any sex scenes and dialogues on every mod's mcm. this and sexist guards are the only ones left. is there a way to turn off anything female NPC related? it doesn't make sense to have sex fame with males only the whole game, only to be raped by female NPCs or have them flirting when talking

 

This is the same problem I have. I play female characters who only likes men but then have female npc's making comments and raping my character. An option to turn off female comments/interaction and only have men would be nice.

[Gristle]

7 hours ago, Clea Strange said:

 

This is the same problem I have. I play female characters who only likes men but then have female npc's making comments and raping my character. An option to turn off female comments/interaction and only have men would be nice.

In the next version (in beta test, coming soon), I have added a "Likes Women" fame condition (requires at least 20-25) to almost all female-female forced events, and also removed one or two.  (By almost all, I mean you still take your chances if you're wandering around in heavy bondage.) So, you will still get some F-F comments (though most of those are conditioned on having Likes Women fame), but no more F-F rape unless you have built up Likes Women fame somehow. This is now more or less balanced with how M-M events work (with Likes Men fame, of course), as I had already imagined that a lot of folks who play male PCs don't necessarily want male events.

 

List of changes coming in next version:

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•    Added quest: The Dibellan Whore of Markarth –The Jarl of Markarth will offer a sizable exhibitionism-themed quest to female PCs as an alternative to bounty and potential arrest when the PC’s Exhibitionism fame in Markarth reaches high levels.
•    Added 59 Bandit comments.
•    Added 70 first-person thoughts (as Notifications) triggered by PC arousal and fame levels. 
•    Removed “Rough” and “Aggressive” animations from “friendly” mod SL events unless triggered by SLSF Masochism fame.
•    Added “Likes Women” fame condition to almost all female-female forced SL event comments.
•    Raised Slut fame thresholds for College of Winterhold forced SL event comments.

 

[Nad_maximum]

Is there any way to increase some of your fame stats just from the start in all areas?