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You are probably going to laught at me now, or maybe it is old news to you, but I`m throwing it out anyway as my own personal guess:

 

https://www.google.no/search?source=hp&ei=HYlPX--JLZKzkwXPqLeAAQ&q=south+korea+birth+rate&oq=south+korea+birt&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAxgAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeOggIABCxAxCDAToFCC4QsQM6BQgAELEDOggILhCxAxCDAToHCAAQsQMQCjoCCC46BAgAEAo6BQguEJMCUN0PWKI4YNQ_aAZwAHgAgAG8AYgB0wySAQQyMC4ymAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdperABAA&sclient=psy-ab

 

It will suprise me if not other countries do similar things. This is of course only logical if you believe a man is content when he has consumed pornography and therefore less willing to pursue relationships and later on families.

 

EDIT: for those who don't want to click the link: It only shows the birthrates in South Korea (1,05 per woman at the moment).

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On 8/18/2020 at 10:18 AM, dribbles2 said:

I think population as a whole uses deductive reasoning, because most people (99.99%) can consume p◙rn without any issues or becoming predators they reason its a non issue. It has no negative impact and its use is massively widespread (just not always openly discussed) 

 

Tyrannical governments pretend they are puritan in nature and roll out inductive reasoning... for example this person watched p◙rn; then went onto commit a string of assaults. Therefore, all people that watch p◙rn are ticking time bombs and WILL go onto harm others so it must be banned.

 

Clearly that's silly but its rare people actually will defend peoples rights to FAP. It takes bravery and lets face it this isn't a hill many want to die on.

 

Why do governments do it? I think its moral grandstanding, they can virtue signal to various groups, claim to protecting the nation. The only thing the opposition can do is agree with them... can you imagine being the other political party and defend porn? id vote for them lol ??

It is usually individuals or small groups who fight for the rights of adults in court as was the case the the United States of America and Canada whose efforts led to the de-criminalization of pornography in their countries around the middle of the 20th Century rather than political organization.

Wherever one is in the world, one might have to be willing to take a bullet for the cause to get things done if things are likely go the same as they did for Larry Flynt so it might just be the hill that one dies in literally rather than figuratively. 

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Without any research, I would think it has to do with the forbidden fruit rule.  The governments are trying to forbid people from doing this or that.  The human ego says, "I will not be denied".  Thus, the more they try to deny the people, the more apt the people are to do what is denied to them.  It's simple psychology that I learned when I was still in grade school.  But for some reason, governments never seem to grasp the simpler concepts.   Perhaps because there is no glory in understanding simplicity.  So they have to make it complicated. 

 

To clarify, they prohibit rape but then prohibit any outlet for lust.  Essentially, the governments are trying to forbid lust to anyone who isn't married or in a respectable relationship.  So, if you aren't attractive and can not get a girlfriend and have no porn... whatcha gonna do?

 

 

I wonder if you could find rape statistics for a time before there was photography.  It was probably pretty high.  But then, the laws and attitudes towards rape have changed too much for any comparison.

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On 9/2/2020 at 8:03 AM, Thor2000 said:

You are probably going to laught at me now, or maybe it is old news to you, but I`m throwing it out anyway as my own personal guess:

 

https://www.google.no/search?source=hp&ei=HYlPX--JLZKzkwXPqLeAAQ&q=south+korea+birth+rate&oq=south+korea+birt&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAxgAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeOggIABCxAxCDAToFCC4QsQM6BQgAELEDOggILhCxAxCDAToHCAAQsQMQCjoCCC46BAgAEAo6BQguEJMCUN0PWKI4YNQ_aAZwAHgAgAG8AYgB0wySAQQyMC4ymAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdperABAA&sclient=psy-ab

 

It will suprise me if not other countries do similar things. This is of course only logical if you believe a man is content when he has consumed pornography and therefore less willing to pursue relationships and later on families.

 

EDIT: for those who don't want to click the link: It only shows the birthrates in South Korea (1,05 per woman at the moment).

That's actually kinda funny.  They want what America has.  A whole mass of unwed mothers.  Cause if a guy is satisfied with porn and doesn't want anything more, he sure as hell ain't gonna get married. 

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I have not read all the replies, but here is my humble opinion. First of all, I love sex and I also enjoy high quality porn, but I have real moral issues about the treatment of women involved in porn. I hope that the porn I watched from big studios like Brazzers, was all legal and with consent, but they're still hookers. There was a scandal not so long ago about PornHub and GirlsDoPorn, because it was modern slavery or something like that. Many pornstars complain about serious abuse, and many girls are forced into porn by criminals. Its probably too much work for law enforcement to control which porn is legal or not, so its easier to make it all illegal. In my country the police doesn't even bother to enforce the law, so illegal stuff is a real problem here. Child abuse should always be illegal, no matter what, but even politicians are involved so don't get me started about corruption. I don't have real issues with sex mods, unless its really perverted like bestiality or rape, really not my cup of tea and also illegal in real life... Porn is also used as a weapon to destroy social cohesion, because its very addictive, and some people stop working, don't have real relationships and fail to have a proper family because of it. Porn addiction is a real problem in many countries for a good reason, since its available to everyone and even children watch porn nowadays. It also destroys many relationships, because most girls hate anal because its painful, but its normal in porn. Many guys cheat on their girlfriend because in porn its normal to see many different hot women doing all kinds of horny stuff. I personally prefer if porn was separated with their own .xxx domains, or something like that. Serial killer Ted Bundy blamed porn for his psychotic urges and cannibalism... There's also evidence that sex addiction changes how you feel and think, causing depression if you don't get that dopamine rush. Now I wonder if there's more prostitution in countries where porn is illegal?

 

I personally prefer daily sex with my wife, but I understand not everyone is so lucky, and I also enjoy porn sometimes and I like sex mods a lot... Hopefully my wife doesn't read this LOL

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On 7/25/2020 at 11:20 AM, JimmyCow said:

s it true that less pornography leads to more rape? That would be interesting if true. Some 'study' that just says they correlate does not mean it's causal.

 

On 7/25/2020 at 12:44 PM, 27X said:

Yes.

Nani!?

 

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On 9/27/2020 at 4:54 PM, HornyViking said:

I have not read all the replies, but here is my humble opinion. First of all, I love sex and I also enjoy high quality porn, but I have real moral issues about the treatment of women involved in porn. I hope that the porn I watched from big studios like Brazzers, was all legal and with consent, but they're still hookers. There was a scandal not so long ago about PornHub and GirlsDoPorn, because it was modern slavery or something like that. Many pornstars complain about serious abuse, and many girls are forced into porn by criminals. Its probably too much work for law enforcement to control which porn is legal or not, so its easier to make it all illegal.

I personally don't care if they only ban real life porn, because now fictional porns in video games, animations, and robotics are getting better, with some are even better than the real life. Some of the sex workers even started a backlash over sex doll brothels (LOL) https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/7289486/sex-robots-prostitutes-workers-love-dolls-brothel/ . They are probably afraid to lose more customers and their livelihood because of the sex bots. The problem here is that the governments will most likely ban all forms of pornography, fictional ones included.

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Anybody claiming that a "Christian" influence is behind this is someone I automatically distrust.  Between the mass censorship (of varying degrees) practiced by most Asian countries, the low population of Christian Asians, the sheer brutality of the most powerful governments in the area, and the fact that Christianity gets blamed for literally everything even when the homosexual-murdering terrorists are screaming "Allahu Akbar!", I default to calling bullshit.

 

Most of the time, Christianity gets blamed because it's an easy target.  These cowards wouldn't dare come out on television and blame Islam or Buddhism or Hinduism or Communism or Socialism for anything - they might actually risk their necks (metaphorical or literal) that way.

 

As for why SK is cracking down on pornography, I can think of two reasons; promotion of person-to-person fucking to address low birth rates (a serious problem in many Asian polities) and a means of addressing slavery and kidnapping.  A lot of the more esoteric fetishes in pornography are too dangerous to be performed by live actors; there's a thriving trade in kidnapping men and women for snuff, gore, scat, strangulation, and others.

 

Remember, SK is literally right next to NK - the largest slave-trafficking operation on the planet.  Whether or not eliminating pornography is a functional good idea, the need (not urge, need) to defend themselves from their neighbors is huge.

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Current governments are full of soy and don't like images of big jiggly jugs because (insert sexism, racism, exploitation, etc.) Old governments had more money and didn't like the proles to have access to images of big jiggly jugs as it's a rare resource so they wanted the monopoly. However big jiggly jugs exist readily in the wild, and are easily obtainable through guile, cunning and/or money. (If you don't want to participate, other options are available - but mostly money).

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It was gross to read that part about china...Those poor women. 

 

I feel like ones own body sovereignty is not recognized nor respected the way it should be. If they ever figured that out I think it would really uncomplicate the morality and laws regarding pornography.

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I live in scandinavia. It's always been weird for me, to observe the american relationship towards alcohol+driverslicense+guns+sex.
Some of those rules are actually opposite where I'm from. For example; a [edit]16 year old is allowed to have sex, but not drive a car.
I've been looking at your weird American culture my whole life.

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One reason why governments want to ban pornography because in many people's eyes it's a valid reason to implement surveillance and control mechanisms. And once they are in place you can expand them and use them for other purposes.

 

We are currently seeing something similar in Germany. A couple of years ago telecommunications companies were forced to save all meta data of their customers for several years. Originally that information should only ever be used to solve serious crimes such as murder, but recently there are demands that the meta data should also be used to track people who say mean things to women on the internet.

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9 minutes ago, Someone92 said:

...but recently there are demands that the meta data should also be used to track people who say mean things to women on the internet.

 

Stalking, verbally abusing, provoking harm, are all crimes that should be punished.

It is not something like "I told someone to find a job and she was a woman" fake abuse.

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Just off the top of my head, "government" is what was it Greek or Latin for control the mind.

 

Pure an simple, its about controlling people right down to the lowest possible components and you had better understand that those in Government have wet dreams about what technology will allow them to do to everyone.  It wont be long now till many more will be faced with the realization that there are no actual nations.

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13 hours ago, Be3lzeBot said:

I live in scandinavia. It's always been weird for me, to observe the american relationship towards alcohol+driverslicense+guns+sex.
Some of those rules are actually opposite where I'm from. For example; a [edit]16 year old is allowed to have sex, but not drive a car.
I've been looking at your weird American culture my whole life.

 

  The part about sex being legal for 16 year olds  isn't as opposite as you might think.  In shows and movies that address the issue at all (most don't) 18 is always treated as being the age of consent, but its only 18 in 11 out of 50 states.  Its just that its 18 in California, which is both the most populated state and the source of a lot of movies and shows in the US.  In 31 out of 50 states in the US (and all of the non-state parts of the US but one) the age of consent is 16.  (In the rest of the states its 17).

 

OTOH a number of European countries have 14 or 15 for the age of consent so there is still some difference.

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Another thing that comes to mind (I might not fully believe that's why governments ban porn, mind you), is the love-affair in Orwells "1984", how it's so awesomely described their sex is a retaliation against the established government. It becomes hotter, because it's forbidden, defiant. It's their after-job-beer.

 

 

On 10/4/2021 at 11:23 AM, Someone92 said:

One reason why governments want to ban pornography because in many people's eyes it's a valid reason to implement surveillance and control mechanisms. And once they are in place you can expand them and use them for other purposes.

 

We are currently seeing something similar in Germany. A couple of years ago telecommunications companies were forced to save all meta data of their customers for several years. Originally that information should only ever be used to solve serious crimes such as murder, but recently there are demands that the meta data should also be used to track people who say mean things to women on the internet.

We recently had some serious legal issues because a lot of people were convicted partially because of where their mobile phones had supposedly been (incriminating evidence). Turns out those tele-masts were not to be trusted at all.

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On 10/4/2021 at 11:33 AM, CPU said:

Stalking, verbally abusing, provoking harm, are all crimes that should be punished.

You are providing a good example of how you can justify almost everything with "Think of the children" or "Protect women".

 

Also, I am not sure if you fully understand what telecommunication meta data entails. It e.g. includes the position of your mobile / smartphone. So if you are one of the people who takes their smartphone along every time you leave the house, that means it can be used to learn when you walked your dog, who you met, when and where you went for vacation, if you went to a specific lecture / panel discussion or participated in a protest / demonstration, when you started dating someone and much more in the past few years.

 

On 10/4/2021 at 3:43 PM, axz2 said:

a number of European countries have 14 or 15 for the age of consent so there is still some difference

Keep in mind that in many of those countries that age of consent is only valid if the other person is "close in age". E.g. in Germany only an up to 20 years old person is allowed to have an intimate relationship with a 14-15 years old person.

I think some US states have a similar concept called "Romeo and Juliet".

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I think that y'all have the correct ideas about the why's behind porn bans. The reasons and packaging vary from place to place, culture to culture, but it ultimately comes down to the expansion and maintenance of the social and political power class by harnessing moral and religious anger. As always, you gotta ask "who benefits from this?" and ultimately the surveillance states and the politicos that lead them are the ultimate beneficiaries of any imposition of greater control without a clear benefit to the public.

 

And to avoid sounding like a libertarian or an anarchist, I'll say this: I am in favor of public sector controls over people. Every line of every workplace health & safety guide was written in blood, and government imposition of control can lead to wonderful things, like food quality standards and clean air and water.  The thing is, in those cases, there was a clear and obvious benefit to the general public and to the workers and families that make up the public. In terms of cracking down on pornography, banning abortions, requiring prayer in schools, or other such socio-religious wedge issues, the public isn't benefiting in any tangible way.

 

Pornography bans are something that is relatively easy to support in a speech or bill, act as a way of burnishing your morality credentials, and serve as flashy bait to divide the hoi polloi while drawing attention away from really important issues, in my opinion.

 

TL;DR - Pornography bans are a way of dividing the people and enhancing the power held by state actors.

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