SexoutNG

[iron_jack]

Bloatflies were weird as hell for me. Their little stinger thing would make the humping motion, but they'd fly in circles, land, turn in cirles 90 degrees at a time... basically everything besides actually lining up with the other actor. I've not seen anything like it.

[prideslayer]

Bloatflies were weird as hell for me. Their little stinger thing would make the humping motion' date=' but they'd fly in circles, land, turn in cirles 90 degrees at a time... basically everything besides actually lining up with the other actor. I've not seen anything like it.

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Look 2 or so posts up..

 

It seems I have assigned the wrong side of the animation to that one; the bloatflies are playing the human animation and the human is playing the bloatfly animation. This causes many oddities.

[rylasasin]

just out of curiosity with this new creature update are we getting any more anims to the current ones (IE blowjobs for dogs? like in donkey's creature addon for lovers?)

[iron_jack]

Look 2 or so posts up..

 

It seems I have assigned the wrong side of the animation to that one; the bloatflies are playing the human animation and the human is playing the bloatfly animation. This causes many oddities.

 

Oh I saw that, I was just adding additional, uh, thoughts, I guess. It's like they were using their regular flying/freaking out/landing/taking off anims, all while pumping that little stinger, heh. I wasn't sure if the skeleton issue alone could cause all that.

[sen4mi]

I have been wondering: how difficult would it be to change the sounds based on the chosen animation and the actor's role?

 

For example: if you have a dick in your mouth, shouldn't your voice be muffled? (Perhaps this could be accomplished by equipping "armor" that muffles your voice?)

 

(Also, when you are a cross, does it really make sense for you to be making those squishy sounds?)

[Guest Donkey]

Bloatflies were weird as hell for me. Their little stinger thing would make the humping motion' date=' but they'd fly in circles, land, turn in cirles 90 degrees at a time... basically everything besides actually lining up with the other actor. I've not seen anything like it.

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The bloatfly need to be updated some. The current animation was not made for the regular bloatfly but the Giantbloatfly witch is allot bigger. Then the original one.

[prideslayer]

I have been wondering: how difficult would it be to change the sounds based on the chosen animation and the actor's role?

 

Easy but tedious. The current "sound system" is really simplistic. It plays some sounds for sex from who knows where randomly during normal sex, and just tosses in the vanilla hit/taunt sounds during rape.

 

The scripting for a more robust sound system wouldn't be too difficult. The hardest part is finding sounds we are actually allowed to use. If there's a good source of creative commons sound clips we can use, point me towards it.

 

[ChancellorKremlin]

What do you mean by 'allowed to use?'

 

Are you saying you are seriously concerned about copyright infringement and such issues by using 2-3 second clips of moaning? I realise this may sound like a loaded question and a bit sarcastic, but it's not. I legitimately want to know if that is the issue here, because if it is it narrows down my search parameters.

 

Cheers.

[prideslayer]

What do you mean by 'allowed to use?'

 

Are you saying you are seriously concerned about copyright infringement and such issues by using 2-3 second clips of moaning?

 

Yes. I'm not a thief.

 

Mod users are free to copy whatever sounds they want over the top of the ones that are included. As long as they have the same names, then they will work fine.

 

I will not include any copyrighted stuff in the download without permission though.

 

I will also not include weirdass anime porn moaning/squeeling sounds no matter where they come from, because it sounds absurd enough in those movies; the absurdity of it would simply be off the charts in the fallout setting.

[ChancellorKremlin]

Never said you were a thief, I did say not to take the question that way. Having said that, I do find it peculiar that 2-3 seconds of a porn clip, which is probably freely available on the internet anyway, is something you would have an issue with. Each to their own though.

 

That being the case, if I did find a site or database with creative commons 'moaning sounds' and so forth, would you be willing to include them into Sexout? There is only so much of the stuff already in there I can hear without getting bored.

 

And don't worry, I wouldn't touch japanese/anime stuff with a ten foot pole. I hate the sound of it, and it would not fit at all with the Fallout universe.

[prideslayer]

Never said you were a thief' date=' I did say not to take the question that way. Having said that, I do find it peculiar that 2-3 seconds of a porn clip, which is probably freely available on the internet anyway, is something you would have an issue with. Each to their own though.

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Stuff just "being on the internet" and "freely available" doesn't mean it's legal (or, I suppose, moral.) If it were just some moans mixed in with original content then it could fall under fair use to an extent, like samples in a song but those claims are often settled in court as well. It's not something I'm going to even slightly risk putting myself or LL at risk of, even if I had no moral problems with it personally.

 

I didn't mean to imply you were calling me (or suggesting I am) a thief, but I have a pretty strong belief on it. If somebody else owns the copyright, and they haven't given you permission to use the material, then it's stealing -- and if you steal, you're a thief. I am talking of course about the "royal you" here, not you in particular. Where/how you got the material isn't important.

 

 

That being the case, if I did find a site or database with creative commons 'moaning sounds' and so forth, would you be willing to include them into Sexout? There is only so much of the stuff already in there I can hear without getting bored.

 

Absolutely. If the stuff is actually free (licensed for reuse, "non-commercial only" license is obviously fine.) then I have no problem adding it in either directly into the core if it's generic enough and I like it, or via an alternate "sound pack" download.

 

Once we are at that point I'll make the datapack installer a real FOMOD and that way you can get the choice of which "pack" you want during installation.

 

And don't worry, I wouldn't touch japanese/anime stuff with a ten foot pole. I hate the sound of it, and it would not fit at all with the Fallout universe.

 

Thank you. Someone else was asking about sounds a few months ago and uploaded a sound pack they created and asked me to put it in sexout. I downloaded it and... well.. that's all it was, a bunch of little clips from some anime porno. Obviously stolen material, and even worse, a lot of clips had actual talking/phrases in them in cutsey-japanese-chick-voice. Who the hell knows what the girl was saying, all I know is that as bad as it was with just the moaning, it was 100 times worse with the "oh desu desu sensei kawaii" or whatever the hell she was saying.

 

[prideslayer]

Oh mandatory because I said desu, and because this is my thread.

 

 

This is not an open invitation to go completely macrochan mad in here but I can tolerate a few good ones if you can't resist.

[ChancellorKremlin]

Yes, I can tell you feel strongly about it. Lets just leave it at that.

 

Haha, no sensei crap here, I tell you that.

 

OK then, I'll start looking. There is only *one* creative commons porn movie I know of, and it's pretty awful. The sound isn't even usable because the girl(s) barely moan, and when they do it's with music in the background.

 

I found this, which I quite like because it's 'generic' enough it's applicable to any female:

 

http://free-loops.com/4387-woman-sex-sounds.html

 

All of which are under 'creative commons licenses', so it should work. That was *the* only one I found so far though lol. Going to keep looking, make a pack, and then sent it to you by PM, along with sources and licensing information.

 

 

[Guest Loogie]

Don't know how much of a pain in the ass it is to setup, but Lovers has a feautre where you can switch between soundpacks included with the mod, and a couple entries pointing to empty directories so you can add your own.

[saladboy21]

I'll note again we have members of both sexes who may have recording equipment. If a gal wants to record some moans or moaned comments they can even customize a little.

[ChancellorKremlin]

I'll note again we have members of both sexes who may have recording equipment. If a gal wants to record some moans or moaned comments they can even customize a little.

 

Now that would be awesome! Sadly, I don't know any on this particular board, and I don't think the ones I do in *other* boards would find it as tasteful as we do. I can just see it in a PM:

 

Hey PowerGurl999,

 

Long time no speak. So hey, would you mind pretending you're having sex and recording some of your moans for me? No, okiess...

 

lol

 

But yeah, if anyone here knows any willing to do that, that would be awesome. It would also keep the sounds consistent, which is good.

[jaam]

I have been wondering: how difficult would it be to change the sounds based on the chosen animation and the actor's role?

 

Easy but tedious. The current "sound system" is really simplistic. It plays some sounds for sex from who knows where randomly during normal sex' date=' and just tosses in the vanilla hit/taunt sounds during rape.

 

The scripting for a more robust sound system wouldn't be too difficult. The hardest part is finding sounds we are actually allowed to use. If there's a good source of creative commons sound clips we can use, point me towards it.

 

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Speaking of sound SexoutNGEffectBaseScript cannot be completly muted.

 

The slop section could read like that:

 

     ; play slop sounds
     if soundtimer > 0
       set soundtimer to soundtimer - elapsed
     elseif Sexout.useVoice
   		set sound to GetRandomPercent
   		if sound < 12 && timeLeft >= 5
   			female.PlaySound3D SexoutSoundSex3
   			set soundtimer to 5
   		elseif sound < 24 && timeLeft >= 4
   			female.PlaySound3D SexoutSoundSex2

 

 

 

[saladboy21]

 

 

Now that would be awesome! Sadly' date=' I don't know any on this particular board, and I don't think the ones I do in *other* boards would find it as tasteful as we do. I can just see it in a PM:

 

Hey PowerGurl999,

 

Long time no speak. So hey, would you mind pretending you're having sex and recording some of your moans for me? No, okiess...

 

lol

 

But yeah, if anyone here knows any willing to do that, that would be awesome. It would also keep the sounds consistent, which is good.

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I also play Dragon Age, and the Sappho's Daughters mod has a lot of sexy dialogue \added to it from a number of women. Moans strike me as easier to do (As Loogie noted in the past adding dialogue is harder in FONV). So I figure if they can get ladies talking about seducing other women or eating each other out into a mic we may can get a moan or two.

 

Or not, but one never knows till they try.

 

 

[sen4mi]

Wow, if you all can get new, good quality sound recordings that would be great!

 

I was thinking something nowhere near so ambitious -- In the GECK, when you are editing a piece of armor, in the lower right hand corner there's a checkbox "Modulates Voice" -- when someone wears an armor that modulates voice, they soun muffled. I was just asking for that kind of armor to be equipped for actor b during oral sex.

 

I imagine custom recorded voices could be much higher quality. (But that can be tricky -- I imagine we need someone that is really good with sound levels and audio quality, otherwise it can have all sorts of problems.)

 

HOWEVER, since copyright was brought up:

there is the issue of "fair use", for U.S.A. citizens.

 

If you are in another country, copyright law may be different, but in the US, the use of short excerpts -- especially when there's no money involved -- can be completely legal, and not violate copyright, and is often an expected part of many activities. I have even heard the idea expressed that not taking advantage of fair use is bad because it sets unreasonable expectations for people -- they can get to believing that they have copyrights in contexts where they have no legal rights.

 

(Of course, this does not address issues of artistic choice and personal preferences. But it's not always fair to equate copying with copyright violation. Copyrights have a very specific legal structure aimed at protecting works of art, and it is not true that all copying from those works can be monopolized by the copyright holder.)

 

Please, if you do not like copying without permission even when it is fair use, I think you should explicitly provide that this is a personal choice and I think that you should not tie those kinds of choices to copyright [unless that is really the law for the country where you live, or in the sense of allowing that sometimes copyright might be an issue].

[zippy57]

If you are in another country' date=' copyright law may be different, but in the US, the use of short excerpts -- especially when there's no money involved -- is completely legal, does not violate copyright, and is an expected part of many activities.[/quote']That's not quite accurate. Even the use of a small excerpt can be considered copyright infringement if the use of it devalues the original work and/or is a core part of the original work.

[sen4mi]

If you are in another country' date=' copyright law may be different, but in the US, the use of short excerpts -- especially when there's no money involved -- is completely legal, does not violate copyright, and is an expected part of many activities.[/quote']That's not quite accurate. Even the use of a small excerpt can be considered copyright infringement if the use of it devalues the original work and/or is a core part of the original work.

 

You are right -- I have update my post.

[ChancellorKremlin]

There is a whole can of worms to be opened here, ranging from 'sampling' to 'fair use' to the amount of work that has been 'copied' in regards to the length of the original work, if it's for commercial or non-commercial purposes, the purpose of both the original work and the 'copy', to other issue such as 'de minimis' etc.

 

Personally, seeing as it's been brought up, I don't see how a few seconds of moaning from a video clip that has been legally acquired (ie not illegally downloaded) would in any way *not* fall under fair use. Out of a video of say, 40 minutes, a total of 30 seconds of moaning would represent less than 1% of the entire work. If we take into account 'sampling' is a common occurrence in the music industry, where very short clips of songs are used here and there to make a different video.

 

It could also be argued such sampling in no way impacts the original video, nor by causing it to lose money (being non-commercial) nor by being used in a different context (It would still be used as a sex sound)

 

Now, practically, we are left with two/three choices. Seeing as it's Prideslayer's work, it's up to him to decide whether he would want to use such material, if he felt comfortable both legally and personally. Or, we could continue to search the net for Creative Commons sounds, or better still, get some members to record their own sounds.

 

A lack of options, there is not.

 

[prideslayer]

 

http://free-loops.com/4387-woman-sex-sounds.html

 

All of which are under 'creative commons licenses'' date=' so it should work. That was *the* only one I found so far though lol. Going to keep looking, make a pack, and then sent it to you by PM, along with sources and licensing information.

 

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Cool, thanks for the effort and for putting up with my rules.

[ChancellorKremlin]

No problem. I like that one because it's pretty generic, it sound decent, and can is long enough for maybe 2-3 loops. At a certain point you can hear the bed though, but only if it's turned up loud. I'll try and find more along that vein, let me know if you like it.

[prideslayer]

If you are in another country' date=' copyright law may be different, but in the US, the use of short excerpts -- especially when there's no money involved -- is completely legal, does not violate copyright, and is an expected part of many activities.[/quote']That's not quite accurate. Even the use of a small excerpt can be considered copyright infringement if the use of it devalues the original work and/or is a core part of the original work.

 

You are right -- I have update my post.

 

There are two problems I'm trying to avoid..

 

1. The laws do differ by country, as you pointed out. LL is a domain registered in the USA and the site is hosted in the USA, so American laws are the ones we need to be concerned with.

 

2. Even if the use is not infringement, you can still be dragged through court on that pretext. Winning a fair use case can cost as much as losing one. This isn't a liability I will expose myself or LL to.

 

As I said, anyone is free to put any sounds they want, no matter where they got them, into their game. I just won't be taking copyright restricted material and making it part of the "official" download due to the risks involved, moral arguments aside.