The Ancient Profession 2024-06-24

[MrMagpie]

In the special tasting job for Benjen, he and his girls often refuse to move towards the tasting room, is this a known problem? I can solve it by invading his personal space and slowly nudge him there, but it is a bit annoying. 

[rafhaB]

I'm using these mods, and when I start, the screen just stays black and frozen.

 https://next.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/collections/xxsqm4

[ruddycray]

7 hours ago, MrMagpie said:

In the special tasting job for Benjen, he and his girls often refuse to move towards the tasting room, is this a known problem? I can solve it by invading his personal space and slowly nudge him there, but it is a bit annoying. 

 

Not a known issue in release 16. It's possible that a quest could be running that keeps them busy, but in that case I don't think even nudging them would work.

[ruddycray]

5 hours ago, rafhaB said:

I'm using these mods, and when I start, the screen just stays black and frozen.

 https://next.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/collections/xxsqm4

 

I don't think you're the first person to have a problem with that collection specifically. Until someone can pinpoint which of those mods interacts badly with TAP, there's not much I can do about it.

[ruddycray]

On 11/18/2024 at 3:50 PM, Soothing Darkness said:

After I force the scene with Runil to advance by going out and back in the door, he gives me my dose. I drink it, get paralyzed, and then the room turns purple and I stand back up. So paralyze is working just fine on me.

 

I honestly don't have a good explanation for why nothing happens in your game. I would definitely be looking at what package everyone is running in More Informative Console to make sure they are running the right things. But everything you've shown me so far looks like everything is running normally and in the correct state, but it just isn't doing what it's supposed to do.

 

There's got to be something amiss, but I'm having a hard time pinpointing what it could be. In the meantime, I'll look and see if there are ways I can harden the behavior of that scene, but I can't guarantee results from that.

[MrMagpie]

On 11/22/2024 at 4:50 AM, ruddycray said:

 

Not a known issue in release 16. It's possible that a quest could be running that keeps them busy, but in that case I don't think even nudging them would work.

Happened to me again, but it might be something on my end. 

 

I found an incompatibility: in The Main Course quest the progression of the sex scenes followed by the player being placed outside can get interrupted if you have the PetCollar active from the mod with that name. It started a sexlab scene, which failed the scenes that were supposed to start from this mod. Skipped straight to the feeding scene and tried to place me outside while there was still a scene going on, which led to an endless black screen.

 

Got it fixed by un-equipping the collar for a bit and re-equipping it after.  There is apparently an option to make the collar impossible to remove, that would be a hard incompatibility with this mod (and probably all mods that chain scenes). 

[ruddycray]

11 hours ago, MrMagpie said:

Happened to me again, but it might be something on my end. 

 

I found an incompatibility: in The Main Course quest the progression of the sex scenes followed by the player being placed outside can get interrupted if you have the PetCollar active from the mod with that name. It started a sexlab scene, which failed the scenes that were supposed to start from this mod. Skipped straight to the feeding scene and tried to place me outside while there was still a scene going on, which led to an endless black screen.

 

Got it fixed by un-equipping the collar for a bit and re-equipping it after.  There is apparently an option to make the collar impossible to remove, that would be a hard incompatibility with this mod (and probably all mods that chain scenes). 

 

As a rule, any mod that might inject random sex scenes whenever and wherever is going to cause issues with a mod that expects to be able to script the action of what's going on. All the more so if the scripted action is also SexLab scenes.

 

If there's any way for another mod to tell that mod to cool it for a while, then I might be able to do something about it, but otherwise yeah it's probably just not wise to use them together.

[MrMagpie]

11 hours ago, ruddycray said:

 

As a rule, any mod that might inject random sex scenes whenever and wherever is going to cause issues with a mod that expects to be able to script the action of what's going on. All the more so if the scripted action is also SexLab scenes.

 

If there's any way for another mod to tell that mod to cool it for a while, then I might be able to do something about it, but otherwise yeah it's probably just not wise to use them together.

 

Somebody replied there:

 

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If that quest sends the DHLP-Suspend event, then PetCollar could just suspend its approaches until it receives DHLP-Resume and handle things like that automatically (again, depending on whether the other mod plays nice and sends DHLP-Suspend).

 

No idea what any of this means, or how hard it is to implement. I just mentioned it as a possible warning, but it was an easy fix on my part, so don't go to too much trouble on my behalf please. 

[ruddycray]

18 hours ago, MrMagpie said:

 

Somebody replied there:

 

 

No idea what any of this means, or how hard it is to implement. I just mentioned it as a possible warning, but it was an easy fix on my part, so don't go to too much trouble on my behalf please. 

 

Sounds easy enough from looking into it, as long as all it requires is something like this:

 

; Just before quest needs PetCollar to stop
SendModEvent("DHLP-Suspend")

; When PetCollar can keep doing what it does
SendModEvent("DHLP-Resume")

 

I'd never heard of these events before, but it sounds like it's a commonly used system between mods to keep certain types of mods from interfering with each other or with other things that need to happen. If that's the case, it would benefit more than just you for me to go ahead and add this, because it would in theory make any mods like this work better with TAP, as long as they respected the system.

[xppatan]

Thanks for the awesome mod!!
I have a small problem Calia (and others "wreewhore") wearing clothes from the list "dgwhorebodyplugins"
Other NPCs (Madam, Bartender, Mage) wear their lists without any errors. I also tried change outfit Madam\wreeehore and Madam work fine, but wreewhore not.

 

my outfits.json for example:

 

  "stringList" :
  {
    "dgwhorebodyplugins": [ "r18lingerie3ba.esp", "goddess.esp", "unp undies.esp", "dx fetishfashion.esp" ],
    "dgbartenderbodyplugins": [ "dx sexy little cook.esp" ],
    "dgmadambodyplugins": [ "queen marika dress.esp" ],
    "dgmagebodyplugins": [ "obi bodysuit.esp" ],
    "dibellawarriorbodyplugins": [ "warhammer sorceress robes.esp" ],
    "freewhorebodyplugins": [ "dx stlouis se.esp" ],
    "dgwhorebody - r18lingerie3ba.esp": [ "16480e", "164813", "16480f", "16480a", "16480b", "164808", "16489c", "16489d", "164859", "16489b" ],
    "dgwhorebody - goddess.esp": [ "85d6e", "85d73" ],
    "dgwhorebody - unp undies.esp": [ "63a4", "63a5", "4e14", "1d8e" ],
    "dgwhorebody - dx fetishfashion.esp": [ "16184c", "161842", "161840", "161805" ],
    "dgbartenderbody - dx sexy little cook.esp": [ "194800" ],
    "dgmadambody - queen marika dress.esp": [ "163832", "163833", "16381b" ],
    "dgmagebody - obi bodysuit.esp": [ "1621805" ],
    "dibellawarriorbody - warhammer sorceress robes.esp": [ "d66" ],
    "freewhorebody - dx stlouis se.esp": [ "160800" ]
  }
}
 

[ruddycray]

21 minutes ago, xppatan said:

Thanks for the awesome mod!!
I have a small problem Calia (and others "wreewhore") wearing clothes from the list "dgwhorebodyplugins"
Other NPCs (Madam, Bartender, Mage) wear their lists without any errors. I also tried change outfit Madam\wreeehore and Madam work fine, but wreewhore not.

 

my outfits.json for example:

 

  "stringList" :
  {
    "dgwhorebodyplugins": [ "r18lingerie3ba.esp", "goddess.esp", "unp undies.esp", "dx fetishfashion.esp" ],
    "dgbartenderbodyplugins": [ "dx sexy little cook.esp" ],
    "dgmadambodyplugins": [ "queen marika dress.esp" ],
    "dgmagebodyplugins": [ "obi bodysuit.esp" ],
    "dibellawarriorbodyplugins": [ "warhammer sorceress robes.esp" ],
    "freewhorebodyplugins": [ "dx stlouis se.esp" ],
    "dgwhorebody - r18lingerie3ba.esp": [ "16480e", "164813", "16480f", "16480a", "16480b", "164808", "16489c", "16489d", "164859", "16489b" ],
    "dgwhorebody - goddess.esp": [ "85d6e", "85d73" ],
    "dgwhorebody - unp undies.esp": [ "63a4", "63a5", "4e14", "1d8e" ],
    "dgwhorebody - dx fetishfashion.esp": [ "16184c", "161842", "161840", "161805" ],
    "dgbartenderbody - dx sexy little cook.esp": [ "194800" ],
    "dgmadambody - queen marika dress.esp": [ "163832", "163833", "16381b" ],
    "dgmagebody - obi bodysuit.esp": [ "1621805" ],
    "dibellawarriorbody - warhammer sorceress robes.esp": [ "d66" ],
    "freewhorebody - dx stlouis se.esp": [ "160800" ]
  }
}
 

 

To make sure I understand you, you're saying that you have items in the "freewhorebody" set, but Calia is instead wearing items from the "dgwhorebody" set?

[Herowynne]

5 hours ago, ruddycray said:

 

Sounds easy enough from looking into it, as long as all it requires is something like this:

 

; Just before quest needs PetCollar to stop
SendModEvent("DHLP-Suspend")

; When PetCollar can keep doing what it does
SendModEvent("DHLP-Resume")

 

I'd never heard of these events before, but it sounds like it's a commonly used system between mods to keep certain types of mods from interfering with each other or with other things that need to happen. If that's the case, it would benefit more than just you for me to go ahead and add this, because it would in theory make any mods like this work better with TAP, as long as they respected the system.

Yes the Deviously Helpless events are supported by many mods, and it would be great for TAP to send them and listen for them.

[xppatan]

1 hour ago, ruddycray said:

 

To make sure I understand you, you're saying that you have items in the "freewhorebody" set, but Calia is instead wearing items from the "dgwhorebody" set?

exactly!  I tried different settings in outfits.json but the result is the same.   "dgwhorebody" set only! this is very strange))

btw. this is a new installation via mo2 and the latest version of your mod

[ruddycray]

On 11/26/2024 at 1:50 PM, xppatan said:

exactly!  I tried different settings in outfits.json but the result is the same.   "dgwhorebody" set only! this is very strange))

btw. this is a new installation via mo2 and the latest version of your mod

 

Thanks, I'll have to look into that and see if I can reproduce the problem. I think I usually have the same outfits in those sets, so it's possible it's been broken without me noticing.

[nilead]

 Finnaly got back to Skyrim and Finished TAP temple lines and a couple other quests.

Felt like i had to stop by. Sure, i had a few technical issues with the mod, something to be expected given mod relies on complex scenes and the fact my load order spiraled out of sensible state and size long ago, but overall i had a great time. Compelling writing is not something usually associated with modding in general, and adult mods in particular.

Finishing current temple questline, i wasnt sure if i was helping the temple, or unwittingly cooperating in its corruption. Small nuances in quests and scenes matter. Its nice to have options based on your previous actions, its surprising and refreshing to fail a quest by stepping on stage before you're properly announced.

 Now, playing temple quests from male PC perspective would be fun... eh, maybe one day. 

Anyhow, just here to say cheers. Extra details do make a difference.

 

[AthenaTheLover]

In the Invitation to Debauchery quest at the end of the location, it is for some reason that all or sometimes some of the NPCs are half in the ground.

 

Spoiler

 And Qawi have a weapon

Spoiler

 

[ruddycray]

56 minutes ago, AthenaTheLover said:

In the Invitation to Debauchery quest at the end of the location, it is for some reason that all or sometimes some of the NPCs are half in the ground.

 

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 And Qawi have a weapon

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It's possible I forgot to check her "unequip weapon" box for the AI package she's running.

 

As for NPCs half in the ground, I can't say I've ever seen that one, and so far you're the first to report it.

Edited December 1, 2024 by ruddycray

[AthenaTheLover]

1 hour ago, ruddycray said:

 

It's possible I forgot to check her "unequip weapon" box for the AI package she's running.

 

As for NPCs half in the ground, I can't say I've ever seen that one, and so far you're the first to report it.

That would mean it's just a problem on my side? I don't know too small a field of view of the character?

[ruddycray]

5 hours ago, AthenaTheLover said:

That would mean it's just a problem on my side? I don't know too small a field of view of the character?

 

It's definitely not something I've ever seen, so in that sense yes. It likely means I haven't encountered the same set of circumstances as you, and unfortunately I don't know what those could be without more information. Anything you can tell me would help, but it's possible this will be hard to pin down.

[killer905]

17 hours ago, AthenaTheLover said:

In the Invitation to Debauchery quest at the end of the location, it is for some reason that all or sometimes some of the NPCs are half in the ground.

 

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I see you have a strange problem. So those NPCs where there, there are 2 layers of surfaces and for some reason (can't remember what) NPCs like to appear on the surface of this second layer out of PC range just below the first layer. You can type the command ‘TAPSanguineRealm’ and just after loading the location type ‘tfc 1’, this will allow you to free cam and freeze npc in the position they are in. Let us know what the situation is with the NPCs there. If they are on the ground, I would look for the problem in the SexLab markers (they may be too low for you), if they are in the ground, then theoretically the NPC markers are too low (they go into the ground).

[AthenaTheLover]

2 hours ago, killer905 said:

I see you have a strange problem. So those NPCs where there, there are 2 layers of surfaces and for some reason (can't remember what) NPCs like to appear on the surface of this second layer out of PC range just below the first layer. You can type the command ‘TAPSanguineRealm’ and just after loading the location type ‘tfc 1’, this will allow you to free cam and freeze npc in the position they are in. Let us know what the situation is with the NPCs there. If they are on the ground, I would look for the problem in the SexLab markers (they may be too low for you), if they are in the ground, then theoretically the NPC markers are too low (they go into the ground).

OK, it looked like this to me.

Spoiler

When I went to these NPCs, they were already normal except for one dog.

[killer905]

8 hours ago, AthenaTheLover said:

OK, it looked like this to me.

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When I went to these NPCs, they were already normal except for one dog.

This will theoretically be simple to correct.

So @ruddycray remove the NPCs from the very end of the location with the start of the sex scenes after teleporting to that location, this will allow those NPCs from the very end to stand on the correct surface (because the sexlab catches them half underground as you can see from the screenshots) and add a trigger box after crossing the second mini bridge.

[ruddycray]

1 hour ago, killer905 said:

This will theoretically be simple to correct.

So @ruddycray remove the NPCs from the very end of the location with the start of the sex scenes after teleporting to that location, this will allow those NPCs from the very end to stand on the correct surface (because the sexlab catches them half underground as you can see from the screenshots) and add a trigger box after crossing the second mini bridge.

 

I don't think that's a trivial change, with the way that quest is implemented. If there's some kind of weird second underground surface in the original cell, it would be easier to just add invisible beds. That's how I corrected the ground clipping in the quest The Art of Female Love.

[killer905]

46 minutes ago, ruddycray said:

 

I don't think that's a trivial change, with the way that quest is implemented. If there's some kind of weird second underground surface in the original cell, it would be easier to just add invisible beds. That's how I corrected the ground clipping in the quest The Art of Female Love.

Really? As far as I remember the height of the ground in The Art of Female Love is no higher than ankle height, but since it worked here, maybe the repair will work here too.

 

In addition, I found a mistake in the sentence ‘! know! I mean, thank you. I have been given a gift by the gods, one that would be obscene to hide behind cloth.’ Literally at the beginning there is an exclamation mark instead of a letter.
 

[ruddycray]

3 hours ago, killer905 said:

Really? As far as I remember the height of the ground in The Art of Female Love is no higher than ankle height, but since it worked here, maybe the repair will work here too.

 

In addition, I found a mistake in the sentence ‘! know! I mean, thank you. I have been given a gift by the gods, one that would be obscene to hide behind cloth.’ Literally at the beginning there is an exclamation mark instead of a letter.
 

 

Yes, even moving the navmesh above the stage height didn't fix the problem. But putting an invisible bed there did.

 

That's an...interesting typo. No idea how I did that one. Thanks for the report!